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Female Uber Drivers Get Paid Less Than Men, Says Study (recode.net) 338

According to a new study by Uber and Stanford economists, male Uber drivers get paid 7 percent more than their female counterparts in the U.S. "That's surprising, because Uber's driver assignments and pay are gender-blind, meaning a driver's gender isn't considered when matching riders or assigning fares," reports Recode. "Rather, pay has to do with trip length, distance and whether it's happening during surge-price hours or not." From the report: There are more male drivers -- women make up 27 percent of Uber drivers in the U.S. -- and male drivers tend to work longer hours. However, on an hourly rate, women still make less, according to the data, which measured trips by 1.8 million drivers from 2015 to 2017. According to the study, discrimination on the customer side isn't the reason for the pay gap, either. So why are female Uber drivers paid less than men? The study points to three reasons that make the gap disappear:

When and where: The times and places female Uber drivers work seem to be less profitable. That could be fewer overnight shifts, shifts with shorter wait times or surge-price shifts than men.
Driver experience: Drivers who've been with Uber longer get paid more, on account of knowing which routes and times tend to pay more. In general, men work for Uber longer than women so they are more experienced. The attrition rate after six months is 77 percent for women and 65 percent for men.
Speed: Male Uber drivers conduct more trips per hour than women, meaning they're actually driving faster, according to the data. More trips mean more money. About 50 percent of the earnings gap is explained away by differences in driving speed.

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Female Uber Drivers Get Paid Less Than Men, Says Study

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  • Shocking. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by poptix ( 78287 ) on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @05:43PM (#56079419) Homepage

    Turns out the wage gap really is simply because of personal choices.

    • Re: Shocking. (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @05:47PM (#56079445)

      Equal pay for eeual work. Sums it up nicely.

      • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

        Indeed. There are two separate issues that often get conflated.

        1. Equal pay for equal work. There is some debate about how much difference experience should make here.

        2. Equal pay regardless of gender. This is more complex because there is much debate about how much things like pausing a career to become a parent is truly free choice for both parents, and if employers are acting free from bias etc.

        • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

          Equal pay for equal work is utopian nonsense since there is no way to a) gauge work effort, and b) work is an input not an output. Better: equal pay for equal value. Most employers understand this implicitly. Case in point, women Uber drivers 'work' their auto and their calls just like men, but don't make as much per hour. They are not doing the valuable work that men are.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by aussiekrom ( 5247635 )
      Beyond being able to state that fact, it also allows anyone who wants to earn more see specifically what factors they might be able to change to do so.
      • Re:Shocking. (Score:5, Insightful)

        by aphelion_rock ( 575206 ) on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @10:04PM (#56080729)

        They get paid the same, it is just that men prefer to work longer hours, take on riskier jobs and probably take less breaks/ spend less time chatting than women..

        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          by Anonymous Coward

          Yes, and importantly we can do without Slashdot's click bait like headline.

          The headline should have read 'female uber drivers earn less than men'.

        • Re: Shocking. (Score:5, Insightful)

          by PaulRivers10 ( 4110595 ) on Wednesday February 07, 2018 @04:09AM (#56082125)
          I've been saying this forever. How many guys do you know move in with their girlfriend and live off her paying the rent? How many guys do you know have their girlfriend frequently pay for their meals? How many girls are mocked by guys because they still live at home? Not a lot. You know why? Because don't NEED to do the extra work to make more money like men do. Women earn less money because they can. Because they have a backup plan that involves a guy paying for their stuff. Feminism is about sacrificing women's happiness for more profits. That's why it hates families, sabotages relationships, promotes promiscous sex while fearing emotionally bonding sex. Because by taking away options from women, it forces women to make more sacrifices for money. If women are miserable it doesn't care, as long as women are more profitable.
        • by houghi ( 78078 )

          So why is it that men prefer to risk their live more than women? Most likely because big boys don't cry. (Rather shoot yourself in the head than not be tough). Talking, especially about emotions, is seen as female and you can't be seen as female, because that would be bad as you would not be a though guy.

          I see it not as women not doing those jobs, but men somehow feel they must do that type of jobs.

    • Re:Shocking. (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @05:50PM (#56079475)

      Turns out the wage gap really is simply because of personal choices.

      In other news, the leading cause of poverty (that is, people who *become* poor) is getting knocked up at a young age and having a bunch of children you cannot afford instead of completing your education and establishing a career.

      Yet if you dare suggest things like delayed gratification, birth control, the fact that we all know where babies come from ... well it's amazing how people will villify you for that. Even people who did it that way themselves!

      • Re:Shocking. (Score:4, Informative)

        by mjwx ( 966435 ) on Wednesday February 07, 2018 @07:47AM (#56082665)

        Turns out the wage gap really is simply because of personal choices.

        In other news, the leading cause of poverty (that is, people who *become* poor) is getting knocked up at a young age and having a bunch of children you cannot afford instead of completing your education and establishing a career.

        Yet if you dare suggest things like delayed gratification, birth control, the fact that we all know where babies come from ... well it's amazing how people will villify you for that. Even people who did it that way themselves!

        I agree with your point about life choices... but the leading cause of poverty is still being born into poverty. A young girl from Bello, Colombia isn't going to magically elevate herself out of that place because she resists having a kid, it still takes money to go to school, money her family is short of.

      • Your forgot "as a single woman"
    • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @05:51PM (#56079477)

      Turns out, women aren't fucking stupid enough to drive for Uber.

      • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

        by Anonymous Coward

        They're also not stupid enough to climb 1500ft radio towers, drive garbage trucks, weld, mine, work in construction, or many other low-skill/high risk jobs that pay well.

        Hmmmmmmm...

        • by mysidia ( 191772 )

          Not quite.... these are all broad generalizations. SOME do, but on average fewer women seem to
            have the disposition resulting in them choosing or pursuing those particular jobs than men.

          • Here are some interesting facts for you:
            https://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat... [bls.gov]

            13% of mining industry is female.
            9% of the construction industry is female.
            7% of leatherworkers are female.
            9% of sewage treatment facility operators are female.
            7% of industrial maintainers are female.

            had to dig a little deeper to find welders/brazers:
            https://www.bls.gov/cps/wlftab... [bls.gov]
            4% of the welders are female.

            Approximately TWO percentage of the carpentry field is female (https://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat11.htm). You could host all ~30K

    • Re:Shocking. (Score:4, Insightful)

      by david_thornley ( 598059 ) on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @06:13PM (#56079635)

      The next step is to investigate those personal choices. Why are women not taking the more profitable shifts? Why are they dropping out as drivers more than men? Why are we rewarding people for speeding? This just kicks the can a way down the road, rather than explaining everything.

      • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

        by tonywong ( 96839 )
        There could be other conflating factors as well, given that women have been traditionally underpaid as well.

        1. Women could be expected to drop their shifts sooner than men to do other chores and family tasks. Men already make more than women for the same labour, so by the same token, women should be expected to do non-paying tasks more than men. This is a self-selecting and cultural bias.

        2. Women could already have fewer and less resources than men, so with less income and capital to start with, they may dr
        • I notice you keep using the word "could". This shows you are just making up excuses with no data.
      • Re:Shocking. (Score:5, Informative)

        by Chris Katko ( 2923353 ) on Wednesday February 07, 2018 @01:49AM (#56081739)

        The personal choices are already known.

        Women choose quality of life, over raw income. That's because only the male's income (as a number) is a signal of worth, whereas women don't have that requirement. Any man, will date any woman, no matter how crappy her job is. And women choose happiness over shitty hours. So men work more crap shifts to get more money... to demonstrate their value to society and potential mates.

        And this isn't some new theory. It's been settled in the scientific community forever.

    • by The Grim Reefer ( 1162755 ) on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @06:57PM (#56079885)

      Turns out the wage gap really is simply because of personal choices.

      You are obviously mistaken. What's happening here is that the statistics are obviously sexist, and probably misogynistic as well. I'm sure if I could be bothered to RTFA it would also become apparent that the statistics are not only racist but homophobic too. I even heard from a friend, who's sisters ex-boyfriend's third cousin's step daughter said that these very same statistics are part of a neo-Nazi group and abuses puppies on Thursdays.

    • Turns out the wage gap really is simply because of personal choices.

      ...when it comes to Uber drivers. The unfortunate thing here is that sexists will seize upon this and tout it as evidence that there is no such thing as an unjustified gender pay gap, without acknowledging that the factors causing it here are not relevant to other industries and types of employment.

      • by Cederic ( 9623 )

        The unfortunate thing here is that sexists will seize upon this

        Why? It blows a massive hole in their sexist 'wage gap' propaganda.

      • Women tend to pick jobs and employers on different criteria, specifically how they feel about the employer and job. Men are much more money focused.

        Women are more likely to take a job in a non-profit that pays 20% less because working for the non-profit makes them feel better about themselves. Men are more likely to take a job with a company they don't like because it pays 20% more.

        Women will tend to stay in a job with a company they like with people they like even if they are offered more money from a comp

      • by torkus ( 1133985 )

        Turns out the wage gap really is simply because of personal choices.

        ...when it comes to Uber drivers. The unfortunate thing here is that sexists will seize upon this and tout it as evidence that there is no such thing as an unjustified gender pay gap, without acknowledging that the factors causing it here are not relevant to other industries and types of employment.

        And others will simply dismiss one of the few clear examples of detailed factual information from which clear conclusions can be drawn.

        But, ya know, confirmation bias is not really a thing either. /sarcasm

  • by Doub ( 784854 ) on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @05:49PM (#56079457)
    Wow, it turns out women and men are different. Are we on the verge of finding a way to tell a man from a woman?
    • Apparently not, given the number of people here who don't believe in gender dysphoria. That would require acknowledging that there are more than the obvious physical differences between men and women.

      • Who here doesnt believe in gender dysphoria?

        Looks like you are projecting something onto people that simply acknowledge that dysphoria is a mental illness and that we shouldnt be chopping off the body parts mentally ill people just because this time its a sex organ instead of an arm or leg.
      • Apparently not, given the number of people here who don't believe in gender dysphoria. That would require acknowledging that there are more than the obvious physical differences between men and women.

        Ever watch a lot of Football? European or the American variety... it plays the same. I give you, the the makeup call. Sometimes, official calls are muffed due to the inherent imperfections of the human referees. When the call is appreciably unfair, the human refs remember and there's a makeup call a comin'. You'll also see this when one team's player maliciously fouls an opponent and stands over him briefly in impolite, rather demeaning, celebration.

        The women, finally, are getting their makeup call.

  • feminists BTFO (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @05:51PM (#56079479)

    So in a completely gender blind pay scheme, women still manage to make less then men?
    Can all of you please shut the fuck up about the pay gap now?
    It's clear that any remaining difference is caused by women themselves.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      So in a completely gender blind pay scheme, women still manage to make less then men?
      Can all of you please shut the fuck up about the pay gap now?
      It's clear that any remaining difference is caused by women themselves.

      And here's the real take-away from that: since the differences are caused by women themselves, trying to artificially change them would be a total failure to treat women as equals by respecting their decisions!

      They're either equals who get to make their choices and experience the consequences just like men do, or they're delicate flowers who need to be protected from themselves. Can't have this one both ways (though a great effort is put towards trying and failing).

      • That's perfectly ok, because respecting other womens decisions is fundamentally unacceptable to women today. Some women choose to be housewives, and some choose to be strippers or prostitutes. Some choose to use sex to get ahead. In all these cases and more, the far-left thinks women should not in fact be free to make those choices (by punishing men for them, incidentally, and having police enforce it at gunpoint in the case of some choices).
    • by ph0rk ( 118461 )
      Parent doesn't do data science, I hope.

      Here is a pretty big hint, though: The only thing the population of Uber drivers is representative of is Uber drivers. Maybe also we could infer to Lyft drivers.
      • Parent doesn't do data science, I hope.

        Here is a pretty big hint, though: The only thing the population of Uber drivers is representative of is Uber drivers. Maybe also we could infer to Lyft drivers.

        In the US, I've yet to see an Uber driver that isn't also a Lyft driver and visa versa.

    • by mark-t ( 151149 )
      Actually, I think it more likely to be caused by confirmation bias.
    • by Kjella ( 173770 )

      So in a completely gender blind pay scheme, women still manage to make less then men? Can all of you please shut the fuck up about the pay gap now? It's clear that any remaining difference is caused by women themselves.

      I doubt it. It's still possible to argue that gender roles are what leads to women working less profitable shifts and having higher turnover, like for example that female drivers may get more sleazy propositions from drunk men late at night on weekends when prices are high or that mom is the one staying home to watch the kids at night or that they get less social acceptance for being an Uber driver. A lot of the glass ceiling wasn't that they didn't get equal pay for equal jobs but that they could get equal

    • So in a completely gender blind pay scheme, women still manage to make less then men?
      Can all of you please shut the fuck up about the pay gap now?
      It's clear that any remaining difference is caused by women themselves.

      I would still encourage young girls to get into STEM and especially computers. There are still social presures teaching them at a young age that that they should be seeking low-paying jobs, and we can still fix that.

  • by katz ( 36161 ) <?liam-e tahW ?liamE> on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @05:52PM (#56079489)

    Glancing quickly at the headline, "Even female Uber drivers get paid less", one may get the impression that women drivers are discriminated against. The article could have gone with "Even female Uber drivers earn less than male drivers", but that phrase doesn't carry the same biting edge, does it..

    • "Even female Uber drivers earn less than male drivers", but that phrase doesn't carry the same biting edge, does it..

      I agree with you 100%. That's sensationalism at work. Some people would characterize this as a small salvo at what should be called fake news.

    • by Calydor ( 739835 )

      That's actually a pretty good catch. I hadn't noticed it myself until you pointed it out. What a difference a near-synonym can make.

  • Make one girl dollar equal to 1/.78 of a man dollar. That'll even things out.
    • by Cederic ( 9623 )

      Ok, but make one man tax dollar equal to three girl tax dollars to even up that disparity too.

      I'd seriously support that.

  • by SchroedingersCat ( 583063 ) on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @06:12PM (#56079625)
    Female Uber Drivers EARN Less Than Men, Says Study
  • Waiting for some mouth-breathing drool-fountain to start claiming gender wage gap and sexism.

  • by bjdevil66 ( 583941 ) on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @08:52PM (#56080449)

    Female Uber Drivers Get Paid Less Than Men - Mostly Because They Drive Slower

    Men drive faster and get more fares in over the same timeframe, making roughly 3.5% more cash. (The other 3.5% is postulated to be a combination of more work experience due to higher female job attrition, and women working at less profitable times.)

    It has nothing to do with a battle of the sexes going on - no matter how inflammatory it can be for some to speculate about.

    • by Mal-2 ( 675116 )

      I would be willing to guess that the men also consume more fuel per mile, because they drive faster. Since traffic is the same whether you drive aggressively or not, this probably means they accelerate faster and weave through traffic more. The extra fuel use should show up in their expenses although it does not show up in their gross pay.

  • They get payed the same, but choose to work less...

  • This illustrates quite clearly that one can't measure performance unless it's quantifiable. The blanket statement that women make less than men because of sexism isn't quantifiable. Performance on jobs like driving for Uber or producing physical products is easy to measure. How many widgets did you make? How many miles did you drive? Most jobs aren't like that. Two graphic artists can't be measured against each other regardless of the gender of the artist because they don't work on the same project an

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