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San Francisco Becomes First Major US City To Mandate Proof of Full Vaccinations For Certain Indoor Activities (cnn.com) 286

Posted by BeauHD from the we're-not-out-of-the-woods-yet dept.
"San Francisco became the the first major US city to mandate proof of full vaccinations for certain indoor activities Thursday," reports CNN. Earlier this month, New York City announced a similar requirement, but it's only requiring workers and patrons have at least one vaccine dose administered. CNN reports: City residents age 12 and older will now be required to show proof they have been fully vaccinated against Covid-19 in order to enter indoor restaurants, bars, gyms and theaters, as well as large event spaces with at least 1,000 people, according to an announcement from Mayor London Breed. The new mandate is scheduled to go into effect August 20.

"We know that for our city to bounce back from the pandemic and thrive, we need to use the best method we have to fight COVID-19 and that's vaccines," Breed said in a statement. "Many San Francisco businesses are already leading the way by requiring proof of vaccination for their customers because they care about the health of their employees, their customers, and this City." The San Francisco health order also beefs up a state order mandating vaccines for health care workers by extending the directive to pharmacists, dental offices, home health aides and residential care centers.
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  • man, I really love living here (Score:4, Insightful)

    by TheGratefulNet ( 143330 ) on Friday August 13, 2021 @08:50PM (#61690279)

    in this region of the country.

    the funniest thing: the so-called 'right to lifers' are the ones who are actually killing their population!

    have you thought about it that way? right-to-live goes right out the window when its not about religion. and the south is dying in huge numbers. hey, if that's the hill you want to die on, would it be ghoulish to say that, come next election time, maybe the population will have shifted more blue? thank you for dying for our collective good, btw. appreciated.

    the right-to-lifers are also the ones spouting 'mah freedumbs' and not wanting any invasive medical procedures done to them (needle in the arm is major, to them). and yet, I wonder how many of them support pre-employment drug testing. that's pretty invasive, in terms of denying someone an opportunity in life simply due to an IDEOLOGY difference; and one that is approaching nil, more and more, over time. how many of those 'mah freedumbs!' morons still insist that THEY have a right to tell YOU what you can and can't put in YOUR body?

    this country is funny. but not 'haha' funny. more like 'smell' funny.

    • Re:man, I really love living here (Score:5, Interesting)

      by ArchieBunker ( 132337 ) on Friday August 13, 2021 @08:59PM (#61690305)

      Dallas County is now out of pediatric ICU beds. https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/13... [cnn.com]

      For the record the state is suing the school district for requiring masks...

      • actively allowing a pandemic to run out of control while the opposition party is in control of the Whitehouse & Congress (at least on paper) is very, [crooksandliars.com] very good politics [cnn.com]

        Also you'd think a sitting member of Congress confessing that he's trying to cause Chaos to win an election would be bigger news.

        • Re:In their defense (Score:4)

          by gweihir ( 88907 ) on Friday August 13, 2021 @10:18PM (#61690517)

          Well, just one more proof that most politicians are psychos. If you do this to your people intentionally, I think you have lost your right to be a part of society.

          • this is not the time for "both sides bad". One side is actively trying to hurt the country for politics and has admitted it publically. I can't recall the Democrats every doing that. If they did you can bet your ass it would be plastered wall to wall on Fox News, OAN and Newsmax.

            • Re: (Score:3)

              by gweihir ( 88907 )

              Sure. In the current crisis some high-profile Republicans basically act as forces of evil and claims the Democrats are not much better amount, at best, to lying by misdirection. But I doubt a similar situation in reverse could not have arisen as well given different circumstances.

              That said, the Republican party has utterly and completely lost its way. They are trying to burn down the house in order to take ownership of it. The sad thing is that so many people go right along with that destructive and demente

      • Re:man, I really love living here (Score:5, Informative)

        by quonset ( 4839537 ) on Friday August 13, 2021 @09:27PM (#61690395)

        Dallas County is now out of pediatric ICU beds. https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/13... [cnn.com]

        For the record the state is suing the school district for requiring masks...

        Meanwhile, Florida has successfully achieved a new record for daily cases [cnn.com]. And while over 40,000 Floridians have so far died from covid, Governor DeathSentence is out fundraising [jsonline.com] while at the same time telling people in his state not to wear masks. In addition, four educators in the same school district died within 24 hours from covid [khou.com]. At least three of them were not vaccinated.

        In other news, parents in Nevada sent their kid to school even though they received a positive covid test for the kid, exposing 80 other students to the virus [thehill.com]. Mississippi's hospital system could collapse in the next ten days [npr.org] due to the unrelenting cases of covid, 98% of which are from unvaccinated people. And eight states make up fifty percent of all covid cases [cnn.com] in the country.

        So yeah. Those pro-life Republicans are doing a great job at preserving the sanctity of life. Because, you know, all lives matter.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by gweihir ( 88907 )

        How utterly evil can you get? It is like these scum are trying to set new records...

      • Now it's all of North Texas out of pediatric ICU beds:
        https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/co... [nbcdfw.com]

        The curves are still going up, and fast.

      • It's actually the other way around. The county is suing the state so that they can require masks. As are Austin, Fort Worth, Houston, San Antonio, and Galveston.

        What do all these places have in common? Medical schools.

    • This isnâ(TM)t a tragedy. Itâ(TM)s natural selection. Iâ(TM)m not going to shed a tear for people stubbornly determined to kill themselves and their children. The rest of us bear no responsibility.

    • Re: (Score:3)

      by gweihir ( 88907 )

      There was a study some time ago that really was an eye-opener for me: Religious people and in particular religious children are less compassionate. Why? Because they think they already have that covered by being religious and hence they do not need to try hard. One implication is that the claim that religion is the basis of morality is a complete lie. It is a traditional marketing-lie though: Your product is less sturdy? Claim it is more so! Your product tastes worse? Claim "new, improved taste!". Your "wor

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by LenKagetsu ( 6196102 )

      Pro-life has always been about violence against women and misogyny. From the very beginning it was based on hatred of women.

  • Good (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Ol Olsoc ( 1175323 ) on Friday August 13, 2021 @08:53PM (#61690285)
    There are choices to be made. You are totally free to decide not too vaccine - The rest of us are free to isolate you from people who have chosen not to put up with you.

    Don't like it? eliminate private property laws, because you are on the wrong side of the law if you think you have the right to spread your virus as a fundamental right.

    tl;dr version - I will stand my ground if you try to trespass on my property without proof of vaccination - property rights baby!

    • And since they're starting with San Francisco, they can inverse-"quarantine" their way down the San Francisco bay peninsula [wikipedia.org]. Want to get into San Francisco? Show proof of vaccination at a bridge entrance or street coming up from the south. Then keep moving the checkpoint south until the whole peninsula is virus-free. No problem!

      • That won't get you to virus-free (Score:5, Informative)

        by Beryllium Sphere(tm) ( 193358 ) on Friday August 13, 2021 @09:31PM (#61690409) Journal

        Delta's superpower is sometimes being able to spread among vaccinated people. See what's happening in Iceland. They went from 2 cases to 1590 in a month despite the best vaccination uptake you could realistically hope for.

        What you can do, with that kind of moving perimeter, is keep hospital beds free for stroke and heart attack and accident victims. Besides saving lives. Very much worth while, the closer we come to it the better, but "virus-free" is the wrong phrase.

        Iceland, you see, despite that COVID surge is not having mass deaths.

        • Re: (Score:3)

          by kbahey ( 102895 )

          Delta's superpower is sometimes being able to spread among vaccinated people. See what's happening in Iceland. They went from 2 cases to 1590 in a month despite the best vaccination uptake you could realistically hope for.

          What you can do, with that kind of moving perimeter, is keep hospital beds free for stroke and heart attack and accident victims. Besides saving lives. Very much worth while, the closer we come to it the better, but "virus-free" is the wrong phrase.

          Iceland, you see, despite that COVID surg

  • So, (Score:5, Insightful)

    by NoMoreDupes ( 8410441 ) on Friday August 13, 2021 @09:04PM (#61690325)
    The first sane city in the US then.
    • San Francisco has never been and will never be a sane city. Noting at this point there are precisely zero ways to reliably determine if anyone has been vaccinated. That and being vaccinated seems to not help all that much

      • Where does it say the determination has to be reliable? No, the idiots will make fake vaccination cards, which people are already doing (their religious believes forbid them from getting vaccinated, but doesn't forbid them from lying about it). So what, it's not reliable any more than a bouncer at a club is reliable, or that the cashier will spot all fake IDs, etc. It's a city, it's not like they're going to have prison time for breaking the rules. Probably someone now doesn't understand this and thinks

      • Near perfect protection against fatal infections, and continued useful protection against infection even with delta running around. Consider the wedding in Texas where 92 people crowded around someone with an active case. At the end of it 6 people had cases and 86 did not.

        Even without the value against transmission, they'd be helpful in keeping hospital beds free for non-COVID patients.

        There's no 100% reliable way to tell whether someone is old enough to buy liquor, either. All you can do in life is improve

  • Honestly, I'm seriously surprised that a US city would go for this sort of thing.

    • Compare it to what the Supreme Court upheld 7-2 in 1905. Search on Jacobson v. Massachusetts. That wasn't about going out in public. It made it a crime not to be vaccinated at all.

      Anything less than that is a half measure that will leave people dead for no good reason.

      • Re: (Score:3)

        by mark-t ( 151149 )
        And what do you do with these so-called criminals? There's too many to imprison them all. Many would simply pay the required fine when it is within their means, and if the fine wasn't within their means, then what? Again, too many people to imprison.

    • Re: (Score:3)

      by skam240 ( 789197 )

      Northern California is a weird bird and I say this as a born and bred Northern Californian.

      We can be very Leftist but on the other hand many of our "most leftist" communities refuse to authorize the kind of housing development that might allow our working class to live anywhere near where they work (picture fast food workers driving an hour to get to work). Silicon Valley is the worst devil in all this, it's a region with major urban area housing demands but small suburbs urban planning and it's all thanks

    • You already need "papers" of one kind or another to enter a bar, a gym or a theater, as well as most large events. Some of this is even mandated by law, and justified by public health. What's new here?

  • Like sleeping. And pooping.

  • Let's just end this. (Score:3)

    by SvnLyrBrto ( 62138 ) on Friday August 13, 2021 @09:46PM (#61690441)

    It's pretty clear that we're moving in the direction already and that it will happen eventually. It's already fully legal to do and has already withstood SCOTUS scrutiny (Jacobson v. Massachusetts). So for Cthulu's sake let's knock off the crap and bite the bullet. End the mask mandates and closures and distancing all that crap. Do NOT entitle every random bouncer, maitre d, and airport securtyGoon pretend they're a doctor. And make it a goddamned VACCINE MANDATE instead so we can all go back to our normal lives.

      "Oh, but delta variant" people might say. But that shit is new. And the vaccines were opened up to all of us on 4/15. It we hadn't been kowtowing to the anti-vaxer plague rats and had done a mandate in the first place; this whole ordeal would have been OVER on May 20th, even allowing for the two weeks after the second shot.

    • When I try to do the numbers, against delta's reproductive number it looks like we need both vaccines and other interventions (masks/distance/HEPA/222 nm UV-C/whatever).

      Vaccines first.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by dryeo ( 100693 )

      There's a large population of people who can't get vaccinated currently, and it appears that getting infected still causes long Covid in 10-30% of them. They're called children.

  • Once again a contest (Score:5, Interesting)

    by RightwingNutjob ( 1302813 ) on Friday August 13, 2021 @09:51PM (#61690449)

    Last year it was who could lock down the hardest and longest. This year it's who can put up the highest hoops in the most places for ordinary citizens to jump through.

    I still maintain that mandating segregation based on medical condition is a violation of either the ADA or the 14th Amendment, but I'll add that the rationale makes less sense when you realize that you're making life harder for vaccinated people *and* just shunting unvaccinated people to hang out with other antivaxxers.

    From where I'm sitting it's all cost and dubious payoff.

    Discuss.

    • Well, if it is a violation of the 14th amendment, someone needs to inform the supreme court that they need to change their precedent. Since quarantines are absolutely legal according to SCOTUS.

    • Past generations gave up far more for rationing and conscription than we're half-heartedly asking our populace. Hard shutdown could've killed off the virus in a month, although I'll admit it wasn't really achievable in the US. Mandatory vaccination would've nipped delta in the bud even with breakthrough. Instead it is round 2 viral infection wave.

    • Running around un-vaccinated is like carrying a gun that pulls itself out and fires in a random direction every now and then.

      Plenty of libertarians acknowledge the appropriateness of using force to prevent a situation like that.

    • Compulsory vaccination and quarantine are constitutional in the US. They have passed Supreme Court scrutiny.
      Just so we're clear, you're arguing that the ADA somehow protects you from being segregated... based on whether or not you're vaccinated?
      That is a truly, truly, interesting reading of the statute.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by dryeo ( 100693 )

      Probably true for the 1 in a 100,000 who has a valid medical condition to not get vaccinated. It is a very low number. There's also the under 12's who also can't currently get vaccinated.

  • Coz the state has about zero clue who is vaccinated.

    • You know it’s less actual work to get the vaccine.

    • Coz the state has about zero clue who is vaccinated.

      Bullshit.

      https://myvaccinerecord.cdph.c... [ca.gov]

      One might question how complete the data is -- no doubt records are missing. But as a single data point, mine is in there, and I have submitted nothing directly to the State of California.

    • Doesn't matter. This was not intended to be an air tight lockdown with no possibility of cheating. Of course they know there will be cheating. But the inconvenience of coming up with a fake vaccine card is enough to keep some people away, and probably even get a couple people to get off their ass and get the shot.

      Complaining about this is like complaining about laws against jaywalking ("but they'll just cross the road when no one's looking, it's ludicrous how out of control this city is!").

    • Actually, if it's like my state, the health department has a set of records of who's immunized against what. I made an account and downloaded my records. Handy to know what I've already taken care of.

      There certainly will be fools who pay for a fake vaccination document rather than get a free vaccine that could save their lives. I'm not betting their numbers will be enough to derail the effort.

    • Completely false.
      States maintain vaccination status databases. The nurse that vaccinated you submitted paperwork to the state as soon as you left the room.
      I just had to produce my state record the other day for work.

  • Effectiveness update Aug2021 (Score:3, Informative)

    by Reiyuki ( 5800436 ) on Friday August 13, 2021 @10:16PM (#61690511)
    Surprising that nobody's been talking about the studies coming out this week that suggest that vaccine effectiveness may have dropped below 50% in July (in USA against current circulating strains).

    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.06.21261707v1

    • I noticed that. The Pfizer shot is particularly useless.

      The is also this,
      https://www.economist.com/grap... [economist.com]

      And that matches this (cases vs age) from Washington state.

      https://www.doh.wa.gov/Emergen... [wa.gov]

      Under 35, half the cases, 1% of the deaths, over 80, 3% of the cases 47% of the deaths.

      I personally checked the John Hopkins risk calculator and got a literal one in a million chance of dying of COVID. A benefit of not being fat and a non smoker? I don't know how their calculator works.

      • I noticed that. The Pfizer shot is particularly useless.

        96% effective against hospitalisation [www.gov.uk] is useless? Do tell me your wonder-solution. Then again, maybe not. Magazine articles published in March, so data from January. Maybe not the person I'd trust to tell me that water is safe to drink.

      • I noticed that. The Pfizer shot is particularly useless.

        Potentially. The study outlines ways they could be wrong about the determination due to assumptions they made, and didn't have the data to correct for.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Gravis Zero ( 934156 )

      The important part that you omitted is that despite infection, very few people need to be hospitalized. This is why a crazy high number of people being hospitalized are the unvaccinated and the people dying are almost exclusively unvaccinated.

    • Still one epsilon away from 100% at preventing fatal cases and very effective at keeping people out of the clutches of hospital billing departments.

      If 50% of people who would otherwise get infected don't, that's 50% of spread that doesn't happen. Useful.

    • Re:Effectiveness update Aug2021 (Score:5, Informative)

      by thegarbz ( 1787294 ) on Saturday August 14, 2021 @04:41AM (#61691127)

      What effectiveness? Effective against COVID-19 or contracting SARS-COV-2? No one cares if you catch the virus. The only thing relevant is keeping people out of hospital due to the disease COVID-19, and for that the vaccine's effectiveness is still over 90% from your own link.

      Also from your own link only one of the vaccines dropped below 50% effectiveness against contracting SARS-COV-2 in the study.

      People are talking about this. They just read the study properly and aren't trying to make it into the shock story you are.

  • It's only the Republicans who want "freedom" to slaughter innocent Americans.

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