Coronavirus: Trump Suspends Travel From Europe To US (bbc.com) 526
President Trump announced he will restrict travel from Europe to the U.S. for the next 30 days in a bid to combat the spread of the coronavirus. The "strong but necessary" restrictions will not apply to the UK, where 460 cases of the virus have now been confirmed. "To keep new cases from entering our shores, we will be suspending all travel from Europe to the United States," Mr Trump said in a televised speech from the Oval Office. "The new rules will go into effect Friday at midnight," he added. The BBC reports: Mr Trump also announced plans to provide billions of dollars in loans to small businesses, in an attempt to stymie the effect of the coronavirus outbreak on the US economy. He also urged Congress to pass major tax relief measures as part of an "aggressive and comprehensive effort" to combat the virus. "We are marshalling the full power of the federal government and the private sector to protect the American people," he said. Earlier today, the World Health Organization announced that the COVID-19 virus is now officially a pandemic.
Globally, the virus has swept into at least 114 countries and killed more than 4,000 people. There are 1,135 confirmed cases of the virus across the U.S., with 38 deaths.
UPDATE 2:22 AM UTC: Tom Hanks and his wife Rita Wilson have tested positive for the coronavirus. Also, the NBA announced it has suspended its season "until further notice" after a player on the Utah Jazz tested positive for the virus.
Globally, the virus has swept into at least 114 countries and killed more than 4,000 people. There are 1,135 confirmed cases of the virus across the U.S., with 38 deaths.
UPDATE 2:22 AM UTC: Tom Hanks and his wife Rita Wilson have tested positive for the coronavirus. Also, the NBA announced it has suspended its season "until further notice" after a player on the Utah Jazz tested positive for the virus.
why not the UK? (Score:4, Insightful)
Makes no sense at all
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The EU nations stayed open for too long and now the wuflu results can be seen in EU nations like Italy.
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They have already given up on containment it makes no sense that the UK was excluded, unless of course this was just a stunt to score points with his base which hates the EU.
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This is the same policy the US is applying, Fauci pretty much advised contain where possible, delay at all costs.
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Re:why not the UK? (Score:5, Insightful)
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The EU has open internal borders just the like US does between states, it does not have open external borders. If you can find a open external open border hurry up and tell the millions of Syrians and Africans risking their lives trying to enter the EU. Do some get thru, of course as they get thru the Mexican border despite Trump's best efforts. It is really hard to
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The main way the infection spread so far is not from infected foreigners coming to the country but from own citizens returning infected you dumbass.
And when Trump shut down travel from China special flights were created for US citizen and those people were taken to quarantine.
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Look at the total numbder of cases in the UK [worldometers.info]. Then compare that to the total cases in Germany, Spain, France, and most of all, Italy. Also, take a gander at the number of deaths.
Europe is rapidly falling apart. UK not so much, yet. If you want to hop a flight to the UK and then on to the USA, putting all those aboard and yourself at risk, that's on you... Frankly, given the situation in the USA right now (extreme lack of testing), if you managed a flight to the UK and you're currently healthy, you might be
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On the other hand, Trump was being very naive when he said Europe failed to take the same precautions as the US. I don't see many national precautions in the US, everything seems to be happening at a local level or by private entities.
Re: why not the UK? (Score:3, Informative)
He banned travel to/from China, a move many experts agree was a good, effective move to slow down/reduce infection rates.
You may remember some politicians calls it racist and xenophobic back in January, now those same politicians are attempting to erase their denouncement and attacks of the move Dr Fauci applauded recently.
While we don't know specifics, we know that the federal government has been entirely responsive to a litany of requests fro the city of San Francisco, to the extent that the mayor of San
Re: why not the UK? (Score:5, Informative)
Italy also banned all flights from China in February, nearly the same week as the US ban took effect. Not a lot of countries had outright bans (which is often tough to do legally), but many had discouraged travel from China or had airlines stop flying there.
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Italy also banned all flights from China in February, nearly the same week as the US ban took effect.
How does that help? Italy has unrestricted borders with all of EU states. If any EU state allows travel from China, then all EU states are at risk of travel from China.
Re: why not the UK? (Score:4, Informative)
He banned travel to/from China, a move many experts agree was a good, effective move to slow down/reduce infection rates.
And this was the ONLY good thing he did so far. Everything else was total failure:
1. Braindead evacuation of cruise ship passengers from Japan, that was done without isolating people.
2. Failures in containment at the Travis AFB in California (whistleblower complained that workers there were not trained in proper containment protocols).
3. The testing situation is STILL a clusterfuck, 3 months into the new year.
And now the travel ban, it's totally useless and pointless now.
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Am I the only one who thinks we should do some random sampling to try and determine the actual virus spread?
There's so many reports of this virus having a low impact on some portion of the infected that I keep thinking this is spread much farther than anyone realizes and we're not correctly accounting for its real spread, only for the people who have gotten more acutely sick.
It won't help with the containment directly, but it would probably inform whether we need to step up efforts like banning large gather
Re: why not the UK? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re: why not the UK? (Score:5, Insightful)
He banned travel to/from China
yet the virus is already in the us, and it will spread. also in uk.
https://www.worldometers.info/... [worldometers.info]
https://www.worldometers.info/... [worldometers.info]
still believing otherwise is indeed naive. prompt domestic action is needed, and the effectiveness of that depends a lot on local standards and professionalism. e.g., germany is doing pretty well, all things considering and even being an 'open border globalist', italy and spain will be a disaster no matter what. no idea about the us, really, but you guys should be preparing for the fallout, enforce local lock-down to slow it down and prop up your healthcare system so it can cope.
Re: why not the UK? (Score:5, Insightful)
germany is doing pretty well,
In which fake news show? Germany is simply lagging behind Italy by about 10 days. It's not doing good at all, because its shitty government can't decide to take drastic actions now, while there's still time. There's even a satire in the german press that the minister of health wants to make sure he waits just a little bit too long until doing something.
The countries that are doing well are the ones used to new diseases coming out of China. Taiwan and Vietnam, for example (both around 50 cases, despite being neighbours and having intense trade and exchange with China). They acted in January. While all our western politicians were sitting on their arses twiddling their thumbs.
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germany is doing pretty well,
In which fake news show?
i was just looking at their death rate, which is far lower than most countries. notably france which has had similar number of cases in the last week, even lower than the u.s. or even japan with much less cases, and of course way ahead spain and italy (which is staggering). maybe it's too early to tell but to me this would speak of a pretty robust health care system. of course if/when infections grow over capacity they will be swamped as well so yes, slowing down transmission is critical.
Germany is simply lagging behind Italy by about 10 days.
disagree. italy is
US States like EU member nations (Score:4, Insightful)
I don't see many national precautions in the US, everything seems to be happening at a local level or by private entities.
Because that is how our system works. The first responders, medical or rescue, the medical care, etc are overwhelming state and local resources. The federal government provides some coordination and advice, access to federal resources like research laboratories, and money to get the locals gear or meds they need.
It is pretty much the same in the EU. The EU government does not provide such services, the member nations do. Well in the US the states are pretty much like the EU's member nations.
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It's entirely different. EU is not a state, it's slightly more than a trade agreement. US is a state, albeit federal, like Germany.
No, you are just hung up on modern semantics. The United States is a *Union* of (formerly) Sovereign States. Prior to the US Civil War one's state was sort of like your Country.
Also in terms of size our states are also a better comparison. Also in terms of cultural and social differences within the union.
We're 230+ years into this union thing and a national union identity has solidified in our minds. The EU is more at our Articles of Confederation stage, the states trying to maximize sovereignty hence
Re: US States like EU member nations (Score:4, Informative)
Also in terms of cultural and social differences within the union.
When I was in the military, I shared foxholes with Americans from many states. I also worked with several of our NATO allies.
Americans from Alabama and Americans from Boston, have WAY more in common with each other than, say, Spaniards and Germans. Or even Bavarians and Pomeranians.
Americans mostly watch the same TV shows, listen to the same music, and eat the same food. Bostonians don't really eat baked beans, and Alabamians eat Big Macs much more often than grits with gravy.
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You folks are trying to take the comparison way too literally, note the word "like". The US states retain a certain amount of sovereignty, as a result a lot of the practical work gets done at the state level not the federal level. Which is pretty much like what happens at the EU. In terms of where the practical work occurs, in terms of geographical size, in
Re:why not the UK? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:why not the UK? (Score:5, Insightful)
The keyword here is "known". With the US being maybe the one first world country with the poorest record for testing, it's anyone's guess how many cases of Covid19 are currently running around freely in the country. And with the spotty health insurance in place, it's likely that quite a few cases will go unnoticed until it's too late.
Give it 2-3 weeks and we'll talk again.
Re:why not the UK? (Score:4, Informative)
With the US being maybe the one first world country with the poorest record for testing, it's anyone's guess how many cases of Covid19 are currently running around freely in the country.
Minor correction: The US has poor testing, but there's no evidence that they have the "poorest" record. The thing is the USA doesn't have enough test kits for people who want to be tested to get tested. That is a bad thing. But other countries have outright policies against testing. Many European coutnries for example won't test you at all and you can't request a test due to socialised healthcare unless you
a) are in direct contact with a positive confirmed case.
b) travelled recently to Italy, South Korea, Iran or China.
c) end up hospitalised with pneumonia.
With 80% of COVID-19 symptoms completely indistinguishable from a common cold, and a policy against testing people with symptoms of a common cold it's safe to say the numbers are unreported in most countries.
Also if you think China had only 18 new cases yesterday when Italy had over 1000 then I have a bridge to sell you.
About the only country I currently trust on reporting anything even resembling a sane number right now is Italy.
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Here is the fact:
https://www.sciencealert.com/h... [sciencealert.com]
The US has totally flopped at testing. 5 tests per million people. It is NOT simply a matter of supply failing to meet some arbitrary market demand.
The fact that testing
Re:why not the UK? (Score:5, Insightful)
Europe is run by a bunch of open borders globalists.
I suppose state borders in the USA have been closed already?
Re: why not the UK? (Score:3)
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I looked at the same site but came to the opposite conclusion.
https://www.worldometers.info/... [worldometers.info]
In the UK there have been 8 deaths and 460 cases. In Sweden and Denmark there are about 500-600 cases and 0-1 deaths. The conclusion is that there are a LOT of undetected cases in the UK and it is the undetected cases you should be concerned about since they are the ones spreading the disease.
The situation is even worse for the US: 1336 detected cases but 38 dead! For comparison, Germany has 1966 cases and 3 dead
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The UK has been lying about their numbers from the very begining, as did the US,
Evidence please.
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The Government of course have done sweet fuck all up to now.
Oh fuck off. The Government has done a fuck of a lot, including brand new NHS 'Coronavirus pods' across the country, specialist quarantine facilities, a shitload of planning and preparation and, incidentally, committing a metric fuckload of cash towards preventing, treating and mitigating the virus.
Fucking educate yourself instead of throwing around fearful accusations. Do you work for the BBC?
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committing a metric fuckload of cash towards preventing, treating and mitigating the virus.
Cash can't make things happen faster. We needed to get on this months ago, and only time - not money - could fix that.
Re:why not the UK? (Score:5, Informative)
The island has physically not been part of Europe for a few million years.
Fake news. Great Britain was a peninsula of the European mainland just 6500 years ago.
Doggerland [wikipedia.org]
Re:why not the UK? (Score:4, Funny)
The island has physically not been part of Europe for a few million years.
Fake news. Great Britain was a peninsula of the European mainland just 6500 years ago.
Doggerland [wikipedia.org]
To be fair, some places in the UK are still a Doggerland.
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Fake news.
Getting a fact wrong isn't in and of itself fake news. Portraying it is such feels at this point like an intentional act to cast doubt on the nature and problem of fake news.
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Oh bollocks. This wasn't an innocent slip on the part of the OP. It's part of a pattern of false narrative in service of a right wing agenda that is shot through all that he posts on Slashdot. Essentially every aspect of his narrative was false, it wasn't just about Doggerland. And then people like you come along and pretend that's not what's happening.
Re:why not the UK? (Score:5, Informative)
The island has physically not been part of Europe for a few million years.
One small point:
Doggerland was a land bridge that connected Britain to continental Europe maybe 8,000 - 10,000 years ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doggerland [wikipedia.org]
Dodging that, the British Isles separated from the European continent about 450,000 years ago.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/brexit-occured-450000-years-ago-british-isles-separate-europe-continent-uk-eu-scientists-a7666351.html [independent.co.uk]
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Re: why not the UK? (Score:4, Informative)
Re:why not the UK? (Score:4, Insightful)
You can't drive directly from mainland europe to the UK. There is a natural border called the english channel, you have to go through border checkpoints wether you fly, take a train or take a boat, these checkpoints include at least some level of screening.
The border between germany and france? just walk across, nothing to stop you.
Re:why not the UK? (Score:4, Informative)
Channel. Tunnel. The Chunnel. You can drive from London to Paris for a day trip.
The Channel Tunnel operates full border controls with passport checks. If you drive from London to Paris you're stopped before you board the train to have your passport checked, even when the UK was in the EU as it isn't in Schengen, quizzed about why you're travelling and you may also have your vehicle searched. On the way back the same applies on the French side before you board the train back to the UK.
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You don't just drive through the tunnel...
You drive to the terminal, where you go through passport control and customs checks before driving your car onto a train and shutting off the engine. You actually pass through the tunnel on a train, and then you get to drive off at the other end remembering to stay on the opposite side of the road.
Both ends of the tunnel have terminals where there are facilities for passport checks, customs checks and screening, it's not uncommon to be swabbed for explosive or drugs
Re:why not the UK? (Score:4, Insightful)
And they also administer a coronavirus test and make you wait a 14 day quarantine in your car.
Oh wait, no they don't...
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Travelling in/out of the UK requires going through border checkpoints, with the exception of travelling between ireland and northern ireland, but then you can't get from the rest of the eu to ireland without going through a checkpoint anyway.
Travelling between mainland EU countries often does not have checkpoints or screening, you can simply walk across.
The UK (and ireland) is more isolated because it's surrounded by water and there are limited methods to cross which are monitored and controlled.
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Re:why not the UK? (Score:5, Insightful)
What I want is an investigation to what the hell happened with our preparation. Seriously we should have had millions of tests by now
After SARS and MERS, the Obama administration ramped up planning and preparation for a response to a pandemic. "Go kits" (shipping containers with supplies) stashed around the country with supplies, part of the National Security Council assigned to managing epidemics, we sent people to Africa to help contain diseases there, and so on.
Trump fired the guy at the NSC who was in charge of this. And did not replace him. The "go kits" were sold off. The rest of the positions were eliminated or reassigned.
So what happened to our preparation is the people who insist government can never work wanted to make sure they were right.
Re: why not the UK? (Score:3, Insightful)
I don't really expect you (or the morons with mod points) to care about the truth, but it's pretty sad when you're trying to Trash trump and even politifact has to point out that you're full of shit.
https://www.politifact.com/fac... [politifact.com]
Re: why not the UK? (Score:5, Informative)
I'm glad you provided a link and here's the summary for those too lazy to click and read the whole thing.
"Bloomberg said Trump is hampered in the fight against coronavirus because "No. 1, he fired the pandemic team two years ago. No. 2, he's been defunding Centers for Disease Control."
On the first point, it’s hard to pin down whether the National Security Council staffers were "fired" in 2018, but they certainly left abruptly and have not been replaced, though other leaders in the coronavirus fight have been named in recent days.
On the second point — funding — there’s no question that the Trump administration sought to cut key CDC budget categories that would be involved in emerging infections like coronavirus. But Bloomberg overlooks that, thanks to Congress, that funding was restored and even increased in bills that were ultimately signed by Trump.
The statement is partially accurate but leaves out important details, so we rate it Half True."
Re: why not the UK? (Score:5, Informative)
and even politifact has to point out that you're full of shit.
Read your own link.
There's bickering over whether the guy at the NSC was literally fired or just "asked to resign". Either way, the result when it comes to COVID19 is there's nobody doing that job because Trump didn't appoint anyone to that job.
Trump's National Security Adviser then ended the team that dealt with pandemic disease. While the order was not literally from Trump, Trump is the boss and the buck stops there.
Trump repeatedly attempted to cut CDC funding for dealing with epidemics via his budget proposals, so he does not appear he was all that bothered by these changes.
Also, that bit about "go kits" wasn't addressed at all by your attempt to cover for Trump's failure on the NSC front.
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Trump wants to look tough (Score:5, Insightful)
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No need to add to the infected count in the US with people from the EU nations...
EU nations failed to protect their citizens due to EU politics.
Re "It does next to nothing to actually protect America"... it slows the numbers of infected people entering the USA.
Less people with wuflu from EU nations to track and then find ICU beds
Re:Trump wants to look tough (Score:5, Insightful)
No need to add to the infected count in the US with people from the EU nations...
That's exactly GP's point. Requiring a 14-days quarantine for any travellers from EU would achieve the same result of preventing virus spread while still allowing families to reunion, or students come over to study, or people starting a new job/new business, etc.
But no, having cases found in the US would make the numbers look bad, better screw those people (including friends and families of US citizens) who have legitimate reason to travel. Just shows you where Trump's priorities are.
Re: Trump wants to look tough (Score:4, Informative)
Perfect is the enemy of the good.
Just yesterday on Slashdot there was news of a study showing that 14-days is like 99% effective.
Re: Trump wants to look tough (Score:4, Insightful)
Then you should be calling for a Wuhan style complete lockdown throughout the country (not just the border) such as closing down all airports and public transports, closing down all non-essential businesses, closing down all churches and social gatherings, home quarantine for everyone, then have the national guard in protective gear distribute food, water and essential supplies door to door.
Just like security theatre, suspending travel from only some countries is worst than doing nothing, it created a false sense of security that "something was done", "what's dangerous was banned" and so "it is safe to do what is not banned" so people continue to travel and gather ensuring the virus would spread far and wide.
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That's the point. You can't hold the flood back with a broom, so stopping it is illusionary at best. The goal is to thin out the flood to a trickle so hospitals can deal with the amount of cases instead of being overwhelmed.
Re:Trump wants to look tough (Score:5, Insightful)
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All the US mil, contract workers for the US mil in the UK...
Re "EU-UK, UK-US infection channel is still wide open"..
No need to stay open for the infected EU nations and the UK... ie work with the UK gov to allow people the US has to accept back.. from the UK.
Re:Trump wants to look tough (Score:4, Insightful)
There are far more people from the US in the EU than in the UK. We have lots of major military bases across Europe, and the UK is just one small part there.
Re:Trump wants to look tough (Score:4, Informative)
A lot of people from the USA are in the UK... so they have to get back...
The ban only applies to EU citizens. US citizens can fly back and forth as much as they like.
Re:Trump wants to look tough (Score:5, Funny)
Then I hope that Chinese virus can tell the difference between a EU citizen and a US citizen. It may be a bit racist, but to me they all look the same...
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Well yeah we tried this in Norway. First we blocked travelling from certain parts of Italy, then we had infected from other parts of Italy. Then we banned most of Italy, then we had infected from Germany and Austria. And now we have 600+ infected with plenty of domestic spread. The virus is too quick, shutting down direct routes does far too little and shutting down all two-step routes would practically mean grounding pretty much all air traffic in Europe. Maybe in retrospect we should but it would have bee
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Well, it can't be that bad, after all Madagascar hasn't closed its ports.
Re:Trump wants to look tough (Score:5, Insightful)
Trump didn't look "tough" in that speech, though. Honestly, he looked sick. He looked sleep deprived, and seemed to be struggling to breathe through parts of it.
Re: Trump wants to look tough (Score:2)
I think the teleprompter was scrolling too fast.
Also, didnt he say he was banning cargo shipments from the EU as well? That doesn't really make sense?
Re: Trump wants to look tough (Score:5, Insightful)
That was a "clarification" made by White House staff after DOW futures dropped over 1000 points within the first twenty minutes after Trump finished speaking. Trump himself indicated that all travel from the EU would be suspended for 30 days, no exceptions.
It's a matter of them being so incompetent that they can't even get their stories straight.
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It's a matter of them being so incompetent that they can't even get their stories straight.
Well, or simply, it isn't legally possible to ban citizens or residents from entry, and there is no legal process in place to attempt it. Trump doesn't understand rules, so he made a broad statement, and the WH had to clarify the details.
People should really know by now to wait for the details before freaking out; freaking out might still be in order, but you want to do the correct freakout for the actual situation.
Re: Trump wants to look tough (Score:5, Insightful)
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Well, or simply, it isn't legally possible to ban citizens or residents from entry, and there is no legal process in place to attempt it. Trump doesn't understand rules, so he made a broad statement, and the WH had to clarify the details.
I don't think there's anything preventing the US from shutting down its airspace like they did after 9/11 even though some returning citizens were turned back. Sure, if you fly to Mexico or Canada and show up at the border they have to let you in, but I don't think they have to make it easy for you.
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Well, it's been reported that he shook hands with a person who was later diagnosed with COVID-19, and has been refusing to allow himself to be tested. I *think* that is supposed to have happened about a week ago. I don't follow Trump, so I'm not at all sure of the date, but it was at a Republican meeting, I think a fund-raiser. https://www.thedailybeast.com/... [thedailybeast.com]
(Note that it's not the most reliable of sources.)
I note that this source only says the man had been exposed to COVID-19. Another source I can't r
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Well, it's been reported that he shook hands with a person who was later diagnosed with COVID-19
I bet that "report" generated a lot of click-throughs for someone. A story about Trump AND COVID-19? Friggin' goldmine!
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(Note that it's not the most reliable of sources.)
Reliable sources on the other hand, are saying that the infected individual did not meet directly with the President or VP.
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Make that 1,311 confirmed cases (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Make that 1,311 confirmed cases (Score:4, Insightful)
I'm not sure if comparing the entire US while breaking down individual EU states is an entirely useful scope of the data.
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Well, why not? After all, the USA is a single country — Just like China. The rest of the world does not really care of its inner composition as a federation. It is a single country.
Re:On paper, EU=US. US doesn't stand for United Pe (Score:5, Insightful)
Yes, that what you have been told. So have I — I live in Mexico, a country with a federal system modeled much after the USA. Still, there has never been provisions for limiting free movement between one state and the other. Foreign policies are centrally set in Washington. Economic policies are mostly the same all over the country (even if each has slightly different taxes, the system is quite homogeneous looked from a distance).
The USA is much more homogeneous than Europe. Yes, Europe has been trying to tear down their borders and become a very-loose-federation for close to half a century; Schengen might mean there are no effective borders anymore and people can easily roam between countries. However, the central government's importance and strength are worlds apart.
Regarding the virus — Yes, given the geographical size of the USA, it makes sense to split Washington State from Wyoming, as reality is very different. But then again, it's basically like when we talk about China. During January, everybody just used "China" to talk about Hubei. Do we care about the internal political organization? Very little. Of course, reality in Hubei was completely different from reality in Urumqi, Tibet, Shanghai or Beijing. But for us foreigners, it's easier to lump it all into a very big "China" label.
Why Europe only? (Score:5, Interesting)
Curious.. Why only Europe? What about Asian countries, etc..
Granted Italy is the new epicentre for the disease now, but it's still rampant across many other countries.
And what about those transiting via Europe (and/or via other countries) ?
Wouldn't it make more sense to suspend all travel (par few exceptions or per-case basis)
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Yeah, adding in S. Korea would make at least as much sense.
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South Korea is practicing serious containment and testing measures though
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Re:Why Europe only? (Score:4, Insightful)
Or is it mostly being tested for in those countries?
Re:Why Europe only? (Score:5, Informative)
Is Russia considered part of Europe for this ban? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Is Russia considered part of Europe for this ba (Score:5, Informative)
The ban for now is with the Schengen Area
https://www.schengenvisainfo.c... [schengenvisainfo.com]
Cancelling the US Masters is next (Score:3, Insightful)
My guestimate based on travellers to the USA being tested on their return is that there are over 100,000 infections already in the USA. Look for an Italy like explosion over the next week. After cancelling the NBA, the US Masters' golf tournament is next.
Do you think Trump will still say it's all fake news then?
Re:Cancelling the US Masters is next (Score:5, Informative)
Worth a read. It also back up my guestimate.
https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo... [medium.com]
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Please mod parent up.
The article by Tomas Pueyo is spot on, quite understandable, and quite powerful.
Re:Cancelling the US Masters is next (Score:5, Funny)
USA failure (Score:5, Insightful)
Europe should do the same to the US (Score:5, Insightful)
The US isn't safe. Our numbers are artificially low because we don't have our shit together. Only 4k tested total for the whole country to date.
South Korea is doing many times what we've done in total each and every day. This piss poor response is a national disgrace.
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I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship.
For the love of all fuck what is wrong with you? (Score:5, Insightful)
Contain your conversation to what we and you can do and are doing to slow the spread of the virus. Do this and you will save living, loving precious human lives.
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Then start with your bumbling leader. Instead of getting a budget going to finally get testing kits available, he cares about tax brakes. WTF is wrong with this guy?
Not the young, though will really zorch the old. (Score:5, Informative)
What is wrong with you people? This is an uncontainable and deadly illness with no vaccine and few possible mitigating measures. It's going to kill the old and the young in dr[o]ves.
All correct except for killing the young. COVID-19 apparently doesn't kill kids under 10 period, and is only at about influenza levels up through the 30s (after which it starts ramping up steeply, until it's killing one-in-five at 80s and above.)
Apparently lungs try to repair even during the infection. In the young they get ahead of the virus while the immune system knocks it down. Kid has a mild cold (though he gives it to all around him just fine).
With older people the repair is slower. For some the virus gets ahead of it, infecting the new tissue, infecting the immune tissue trying to fight it, wiping out the stem cells needed for more repairs, etc. Meanwhile the immune tissues are doing damage of their own, which sends out signals for more immune system activity, which does more damage, in a positive-feedback cascade that kills.
The likelihood of this ramps up steeply with age in the 50s and higher and also with other problems (interstitial lung disease, high blood pressure, bunch of other stuff).
Not Europe! (Score:5, Informative)
Just to be clear - the ban is not on flights from "Europe*, it is a ban on flights from the *Schengen* passport free area.
Schengen is a (all be it large) subset of the EU, and the EU is a subset of the continent of Europe.
The policy is clearly political, and not science based.
Rudy Gobert is an idiot (Score:3)
2 days prior to testing positive he disregarded everyone's safety as he made sure to manhandle every reporters mics before leaving his press conference.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
Re: (Score:3)
Well, here's an editorial from a right wing magazine to go with it, probably soon to be labeled as 'never Trumpers' so that their opinions are ignored by the faithful.
https://www.nationalreview.com... [nationalreview.com]