Propelled By Spread of Misinformation About Vaccines, Measles Outbreak Hits 'Completely Avoidable' 25-Year-High in the US (reuters.com) 498
The number of measles cases in the United States has reached a 25-year peak, propelled by the spread of misinformation about the vaccine that can prevent the disease, federal health officials said on Monday. From a report: The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported 704 cases as of April 26, a 1.3 percent increase since the most recent tally of 695 reported on Wednesday. The vast majority of cases have occurred in children who have not received the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, which confers immunity to the disease, officials said. "The suffering we are seeing today is completely avoidable," U.S. Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar said on Monday. "We know vaccines are safe because they're among some of the most studied medical products we have." A vocal fringe of U.S. parents refuse to vaccinate their children believing, contrary to scientific evidence, that ingredients in them can cause autism or other disorders.
Thanks Jenny McCarthy (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:Thanks Jenny McCarthy (Score:5, Funny)
not to mention all of the ruined socks.
Re:Thanks Jenny McCarthy (Score:4, Informative)
"Healthy young child goes to doctor, gets pumped with massive shot of many vaccines, doesn't feel good and changes - AUTISM. Many such cases!” - Trump tweeted in 2014
Re: Thanks Jenny McCarthy (Score:4, Informative)
Which is why there's so much proof...
Ooh, right.....
Re: Thanks Jenny McCarthy (Score:5, Informative)
But those studies have all concluded that no link has been found at all. The change in behavior is only noted at about the time of the shots because that's when the symptoms of autistic behaviors become noticeable as non-autistic children continue to develop socially while autistic children start falling behind at that age.
The vaccines have nothing, absolutely nothing to do with it.
Re:Thanks Jenny McCarthy (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Thanks Jenny McCarthy (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Thanks Jenny McCarthy (Score:5, Insightful)
We don't go around not vaccinating people for experimental controls - it's not ethical.
We don't have to. There's plenty of idi... volunteers who will quite willingly forgo vaccinations.
Else we wouldn't be in this mess.
I think you mean Donald Drumpf and Rand Paul? (Score:5, Informative)
Amid Measles Outbreak, Donald Trump, Rand Paul Among Those in Washington With History of Anti-Vax Comments [newsweek.com]
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... however afterbirth abortion is murder IMO. I don't care how many feminists claim otherwise.
The problem is that there is no afterbirth abortion. It is impossible to abort a fetus after it is born. If you do kill a baby after it is born then that is murder and I don't think you would find anyone (feminist or otherwise) claim that it isn't. Just because Trump spouts some nonsense about abortions after birth doesn't make it an actual thing.
Not just her though (Score:3)
I donâ(TM)t take really think you can place the blame on her though. Itâ(TM)s not like sheâ(TM)s the only celeb pushing this, and she also has a receptive audience in all of the people that believe crystals and essential oils will heal you (just look at where the outbreaks are).
And itâ(TM)s not just the US, I just got an MMR shot because I travel internationally and measles is spreading abroad also!
Re:Not just her though (Score:5, Insightful)
Does she have sole responsibility? No. Does she have more than her fair share of responsibility? Hell, yes.
So hell yes responsible parties should be held so? (Score:5, Informative)
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-rand-paul-vaccines-anti-vax-measles-outbreak-1351684
AMID MEASLES OUTBREAK, DONALD TRUMP, RAND PAUL AMONG THOSE IN WASHINGTON WITH HISTORY OF ANTI-VAX COMMENTS
Healthy young child goes to doctor, gets pumped with massive shot of many vaccines, doesn't feel good and changes - AUTISM. Many such cases!” - Trump tweeted in 2014
"Trump's dumb comments around vaccines hurt, but his secretary of [Health and Human Services], his [Food and Drug Administration] commissioner don’t share those views," Senator Chris Murphy, a Connecticut Democrat, who also sits on the Health Committee, told Newsweek. "Hopefully, he’s so distracted on the Mueller investigation and he’s just forgotten about the idiotic things he’s said about vaccines."
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Perhaps one of the most damaging lines came from a CIA spokesperson, regarding the re-emergence of polio in Africa, and the large number of clergy (both Christian and Muslim) there preaching against vaccination ... because it was a tool for the EVIL (tm) USA to gather information (and/or poison them). The quote was to the effect 'We stopped covertly gathering genetic information during vaccinations nearly two years ago!'
And you wonder why *some* people don't trust the government?
Re: Not just her though (Score:3)
That "quote" is rather half-assed, but anyway it had nothing to do with "why some people don't trust the government". It had to do with why the Taliban was attacking vaccine providers. The average person doesn't much care about intelligence gathering; they just want their kids vaccinated. The militants are the ones who are willing to let children go unvaccinated in order to try and hide their activities from us.
It's also a bit of a red herring. Conspiracy theories about vaccines being a western ploy to
Re:Thanks Jenny McCarthy (Score:4, Informative)
I thought this Torah taboo only applied to things taken orally. What do I know?
Re:Thanks Jenny McCarthy (Score:4, Interesting)
I like the part where the one sentence talks about a "vocal fringe" when in reality the largest concentration of all the measles outbreak is in two Jewish communities in New York.
It is so bad the mayor banned anyone not vaccinated from being among other people though eventually relented under pressure.
Apparently there are some at the yeshivas who are still telling people not to get vaccinated because it's against Jewish "law".
Conflicted btw 1st Amendment vs. Public Interest (Score:5, Interesting)
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I'm generally opposed to any sort of censorship, but the outright lies being told by the anti-vaxxers and the collateral damage of those lies has me rethinking that position.
I'm sort of in agreement. One thought I had after reading various entries in isitbadforyou.com, (a purveyor of total bullshit like Nutrasweet causes cancer and Multiple Sclerosis, including anti-vaxxer BS) was that these purveyors of bullshit should be held liable for harm done. Making anti-vaxxer claims is actually harmful, and these
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Hadnt heard that it causes cancer but it is an excitotoxin like msg. It triggers an insulin response which can cause you to 1) unnecessarily trigger storing into fat 2) wear the shit out of your pancreas accelerating one form of type-2 diabetes. If your at risk of diabetes or metabolic syndrome, I would steer clear of any glutamate (look for words like hydrogenated or partially hydrogenated) as well as aspertame (nutrasweet).
There is also the risk of it turning into wood alcohol, but if you
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While that might be true you have to consider the amounts we are talking about, since the artificial sweeteners always are thousand times sweeter than real sugar the amount used in products are infinitesimal. Yes i.e Aspartame breaks down to methanol (wood alcohol) but to amounts that are orders of magnitude smaller than what you body already creates on a daily basis, and also smaller than what you get from drinking normal orange juice (which is a natural source of methanol).
And protein gives a way stronger
Re:Conflicted btw 1st Amendment vs. Public Interes (Score:5, Informative)
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Your linked study is one of the reasons why the amount is so important. It looked at consumption of 40mg aspartame per 1kg in body-weight which translates to 2.4g-4g if you weigh between 60kg and 100kg. Meanwhile soft-drinks can contain at max 0.6g per litre, so we are talking about 4L to 7L of soft drinks per day.
And to top it all off it was all tested on rats and not humans, later studies have shown that rats in particular does not break down aspartame in the same way that humans do (we break it down comp
Re:Conflicted btw 1st Amendment vs. Public Interes (Score:5, Insightful)
Measles is far less dangerous than censorship.
Not to mention the fact that censoring conspiracy nuts has the exact opposite effect of what is intended.
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Measles kills.
Re:Conflicted btw 1st Amendment vs. Public Interes (Score:5, Insightful)
Measles kills.
I didn't say that measles was not dangerous.
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Let these idiots show their ignorance so we know to avoid them and shun them and ignore them
Re:Conflicted btw 1st Amendment vs. Public Interes (Score:4, Insightful)
Measles is far less dangerous than censorship.
What about polio ?
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Measles is far less dangerous than censorship.
There is no need for censorship. Anti-science positions like this are just stupid, and wrong, and we have no need to give them any credence. Just ignore the activists and vaccinate anyway.
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I'm generally opposed to any sort of censorship, but the outright lies being told by the anti-vaxxers and the collateral damage of those lies has me rethinking that position.
I suggest that we now convince them that any medical treatment is a tool of big Pharma, designed to weaken them.
For your entertainment or perhaps horror, some women are now eschewing medical treatment of yeast infections by inserting garlic cloves up their...... ummmm lady parts. https://midwiferytoday.com/mt-... [midwiferytoday.com]
And no, it doesn't work. https://www.the-star.co.ke/new... [the-star.co.ke]
And lest we ignore the next door neighbor of the vajayjay, Let's all have an organic yogurt enema: http://www.health-information-.. [health-inf...itness.com]
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I'm generally opposed to any sort of censorship, but the outright lies being told by the anti-vaxxers and the collateral damage of those lies has me rethinking that position.
I suggest that we now convince them that any medical treatment is a tool of big Pharma, designed to weaken them.
For your entertainment or perhaps horror, some women are now eschewing medical treatment of yeast infections by inserting garlic cloves up their...... ummmm lady parts. https://midwiferytoday.com/mt-... [midwiferytoday.com]
And no, it doesn't work. https://www.the-star.co.ke/new... [the-star.co.ke]
And lest we ignore the next door neighbor of the vajayjay, Let's all have an organic yogurt enema: http://www.health-information-... [health-inf...itness.com]
We should give these sort of health tips to all our Anti-Vaxxers, show them the links, and chuckle as Darwin awards are handed out left and right.
Don't forget the classic jade egg [wikipedia.org], as espoused by Gwyneth Paltrow. There seems to be a pattern here about getting "medical advice" from celebrities. Plus, now whenever I see a walrus all I can think of is diabetes.
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Hey, let natural selection work.
Almost all of the measles cases are showing up IN the very children of the Anti-Vaxers.
Not that measles is very deadly, but just them seeing their kids in pain and disease will possibly change their minds, or at least take them off the AV pulpit.
True freedom also means that you have the RIGHT to be ST
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Hey, let natural selection work.
This never works because of lawyers.
The Blitz company used to make plastic gas cans. They were put out of business by lawyers who sued because people who self selected out of the gene pool died when they poured gasoline directly on a fire and the flame traveled up the stream and blew up the gas can. Lawyers claimed that the company didn't make warnings prominent enough or should have installed filters that get clogged to prevent this. Never mind that the real responsibility lies with parents who failed to
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Not that measles is very deadly, but just them seeing their kids in pain and disease will possibly change their minds, or at least take them off the AV pulpit.
Not very deadly? Really? You need to read up on Measles [wikipedia.org]:
"Complications of measles are relatively common, ranging from mild ones such as diarrhea to serious ones such as pneumonia (either direct viral pneumonia or secondary bacterial pneumonia), bronchitis (either direct viral bronchitis or secondary bacterial bronchitis), otitis media, acute brain inflammation (and very rarely subacute sclerosing panencephalitis), and corneal ulceration (leading to corneal scarring). In addition, measles can suppress the im
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That's just the direct fatality rate (Score:3)
There's some recent work that's come out that says that measles damages your immune system, making your immune system "forget" previously learned immunities.
So, for example, you get chickenpox, and now you're immune. Then you get measles. Now you're susceptible again, and since you're older, much more likely to have a BAD case of chickenpox.
The death rate from OTHER CAUSES then spikes after a measles case. Citation:
https://www.princeton.edu/news... [princeton.edu]
I not only don't want measles, I want herd immunity to p
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Re:Conflicted btw 1st Amendment vs. Public Interes (Score:5, Insightful)
You shouldn't have to rethink that position.
There's a difference between speech/belief and BEHAVIOR.
Laws and courts already make that distinction.
In order to have an open, free, and just society, we need to protect the right to speak openly, even if those ideas are considered stupid by other people. The point is not to protect stupid positions of individuals, the point is to preserve openness of society. Ideas being "dangerous" is not sufficient justification to pay the heavy cost of being a closed society, especially when better education is an alternative.
But in terms of behavior, this is a good case for law being a solution. True libertarians (i.e. not anarchists in disguise using the "libertarian" label to avoid being dismissed immediately) believe in Occam's Razor of government intervention: that laws do have a purpose, but government should get involved only when there is genuine need, and in the degree and proportion necessary to solve the problem, where there is the problem, and only if government is actually capable of doing so rather than finding excuses to soak up tax payer money and infringe on liberties despite knowing they can't solve the problem.
In the case of diseases and epidemics, it is no longer an issue of personal choice and responsibility of an individual, because literally a single irresponsible choice can lead to the deaths of millions who were not given the opportunity to make a choice for themselves, and the damage can continue INDIRECTLY. This is quite unlike any other risk-factor people are usually afraid of (even guns, where attackers must be in the direct vicinity of the victims, and there are ways to increase security and defense).
So the solution is that in terms of beliefs and speech, yes you are free to openly, strongly disagree with vaccinations. But in terms of behavior, you and your kids are getting vaccinated anyway. You can disagree all you want while you are getting your mandated vaccination.
If military service is mandatory, why not a SHOT? (Score:3)
Look at it this way. The US Government can force me into military service, to fight and die to defend the country, whether I agree with the current war or not.
In fact, the US Government rarely does, because the US Government, for the most part, is SANE.
So I don't see why the US Government can't force EVERYONE to take the tiny risk involved in getting a vaccination--it's NECESSARY to defend the country and its citizens.
--PeterM
Re:Conflicted btw 1st Amendment vs. Public Interes (Score:5, Informative)
You use ((())) around certain words. For everyone's reference, this is a weird antisemitic text pattern used to identify to others who they believe are jews. Basically, this user is promoting the idea that jews are controlling the organizations that want to promote vaccines and stop these outbreaks.
Re:Conflicted btw 1st Amendment vs. Public Interes (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Conflicted btw 1st Amendment vs. Public Interes (Score:5, Informative)
You're welcome. It's always good to shine lights on the activities of racist groups. Note also that this is also used to tag users for harassment on social media.
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In this case, context seems that of antisemitism. Nice call though on raising awareness, that one would be subtle for those 'not in the know'.
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Ironically it's the ultra orthodox jewish community that's been hit the hardest by this outbreak, specifically because they don't vaccinate for religious reasons.
Re:Conflicted btw 1st Amendment vs. Public Interes (Score:5, Insightful)
They don't vaccinate because they are paranoid morons. Religion has nothing to do with it.
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Ironically it's the ultra orthodox jewish community that's been hit the hardest by this outbreak, specifically because they don't vaccinate for religious reasons.
Umm, no.
Orthodox jews, like most other people, vaccinate their kids.
Further, judaism explicitly puts the highest value on saving life (of which vaccinations are a part): https://www.ou.org/news/statem... [ou.org]
And like any group of people, there are kooks who don't vaccinate their kids, but there is no religious basis for that. Judaism explicitly says oth
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Re:Conflicted btw 1st Amendment vs. Public Interes (Score:4, Informative)
I'm 100% serious. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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No vaccine is 100% perfect and not every kid (or person) can be vaccinated. It would be best if someone jammed the needle through your eye and injected the vaccine into your brain. The resultant vaccine injury would save lives.
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Re: Conflicted btw 1st Amendment vs. Public Intere (Score:3)
No! Failing to immunize can impact everyone. For example, my one month old daughter who canâ(TM)t get the MMR vaccine yet. Also, immune compromised persons who may get the disease despite having been immunized.
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It won't do any good.
Assuming it's a naturally emergent behavior of normally peaceful people, you'd be right. However, assuming, as I do, that it's a coordinated attack on rationality, bought and paid for by a hostile foreign entity, as a covert act of actual war, not only would you be wrong, but you'd be highly suspect as someone who knows they're wrong, paid to help them astroturf over society's metaphorical "immune response" against such toxic lies.
What's the statistic? 40% of scientists believe in God?
[citation needed]
Actually, if these anti-vaxers have enough of their children die, that would help us on our way to evolving more rationally. The same goes for letting the religious kill each other off.
No, there's no evidence for that whatsoever. There is no e
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You completely idiot ideologues make me sick. You want so desperately to be righteous that you blind your selves to your own "side's" (which is stupidity itself, all Americans are on the same side) garbage. Don't get me at all wrong here, this happens on the Left too but there's an overwhelming amount of evidence that this is a right wing problem here also.
https://www.theguardian.com/wo... [theguardian.com]
https://www.washingtonpost.com... [washingtonpost.com]
https://www.thedailybeast.com/... [thedailybeast.com]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
https://www.youtube.c [youtube.com]
Not just kids are getting it (Score:3)
Theyre now saying previously vaccinated adults are at risk. There have been cases of vaccinated adults still getting it. If you were born between 1957 and 1984 (approx span) then you only received the one shot, not the second booster. Better to get it again to be sure.
One thing is for certain, getting vaccinated as an adult would put it into the whole autism concern. If somebody was normal for 30 years of their life, and suddenly became autistic after a vaccine, I’m fairly certain nobody would be claiming genetics. Other than GBS from flu shot, i’ve not really heard of any other complications, though GBS is pretty fucking bad. The point is it may not be a bad idea to go ahead and get a booster if it’s been more than 10 years.
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You would have a better chance dying on your way to get the booster in a car wreck than contracting measles as an adult.
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The same is true about being a victim of a mass shooting. It hasn’t stop the press making it sound like you’re at risk of getting shot from a rifle while taking a shower. 100people per year out of 700 million.. you might have a higher chance of being struck by lightning.
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The same is true about being a victim of a mass shooting.
I think you are about ten times more likely to be the victim of a single bullet shooting than a mass shooting. Like when some mass shooter killed 55 people in an hour, the same day about 28 or so people where killed (statistically) by individual murderers, and the same the next day, and the previous day, and the day after.
And you are twice as likely again to be killed by a gun through suicide.
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If im going to a measles hotspot i’ll get the vaccine again as a booster. Though they issue MMR twice during bootcamp regardless of previous records. Im not worried about likelihood of being a shooting victim. Just like the measles vaccine, if I decide to hang out in heavily gang related territory my odds increase significantly. Thats just looking for trouble. For the other slim chance, i just carry. Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it. It inconveniences no one, and if I e
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My doctor didn't have records of my measles vaccination, and she said she could order a test to check for the antibodies. I countered with, "wouldn't it be cheaper just to give me another shot?" So that's what we did. I'm *not* going to get measles.
Sounds good! (Score:3)
Morons and their offspring are killed and/or permanently disabled by their own moronic behavior and belief in junk science.
Sounds good to me, we need less morons on this planet. Ignore them; let them spread their disinformation. More planet for the rest of us.
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Surely, looks can be deceiving... (Score:2)
One would think that this measles menace would never take root in a country as [developed as] the USA! But alas, the picture is very different!
The situation of drug related issues & homelessness in Seattle and Los Angeles among other cities, also paints a picture one could perhaps never associate with the USA!
In the meantime, the country is saddled with debt, a good chunk that is through meaningless wars. I feel sorry for a country that has so much potential.
It's worse than it sounds (Score:5, Informative)
The peak from 25 years ago was for the entire year.
We've exceeded that in just 4 months and there are still 8 more months for the total to keep increasing.
Utter and complete STUPIDITY (Score:2)
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As much as I don't generally like the government forcing people to do things, I've got to agree. This is a public safety issue. They're not only hurting their kids, but other people who aren't vaccinated due to age (too young) or medical conditions (e.g. immune system disorders). The only valid reason for not getting vaccinated is a medical condition that precludes vaccinations. We'll protect those people with herd immunity. Everyone else should be vaccinated.
This is along the lines of "people serving food
If they don't want to use vaccines (Score:2)
just do it the old fashioned way, lock the kids into an infectious disease ward until they are past the timeline for infecting others.
What could possibly go wrong with all natural organic vaccine free solutions? /s
Too much hysteria? (Score:4, Informative)
We are talking about a small increase that doesn't even register on that chart. When I was in school, it was after the vaccines came out but we still had somewhere around 50 to 100 times the number of reported measles cases. If you look back a few years before that, it was up to 1000 times as many. And that's making the assumption that the number of reported cases is anywhere near the actual number of cases. If you believe the blurb about an estimated 4 million number of cases per year in the years before the vaccine came out, then we're talking on the order of 5000 times as many cases as we're seeing here.
I'm pro vaccines, and I'm glad we've done so well at reducing this disease (I went through it myself), but the amount of what I see as hysteria about this seems unwarranted. Yes, it's a disease that can be deadly and can have other terrible outcomes later in life, but people act as if it's ebola or something. The schools treated measles like they did the flu when I was in school, it's wasn't a time of chaos and unrelenting death that we're just now coming out of. It was just normal life. With more kids staying home because they had the measles during school.
If we want to actually make headway with anti-vaxxers, maybe we should stop accusing them of trying to kill our kids and wipeout humanity or whatever and look for ways we can address their concerns in a way that would satisfy them. It's at least worth the effort, anyway.
Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics (Score:5, Insightful)
How about checking out this CDC graph [cdc.gov] of reported measles cases from 2010 to 2019 (only the first quarter of 2019). There's nothing quite like referencing a graph with statistics from back before MMR vaccines where there were literally hundreds of thousands of cases every year -- 'doesn't even register on that chart' indeed.
Try to imagine what the reaction would be like if any of today's diseases in the US had hundreds of thousand of cases every year. Even at the estimated 1-2 deaths per thousand, that's several hundred deaths per year prior to vaccinations.
For a better understanding of the problem beyond pure numbers, how about posting this CDC presentation [cdc.gov] instead of a single graph biased because it shows cases from before vaccinations.
The worst outbreak of all worldwide (Score:2)
Is the antivax idiocy.
Measles is just a side effect.
Thanks, Trump! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Natural Selection (Score:5, Insightful)
Unfortunately it's the kids that suffer, not the parents that make the decisions.
I'm starting to wonder if parents should face criminal prosecution if their minor children die from preventable diseases because they've opted the child out of vaccination.
Re:Natural Selection (Score:5, Insightful)
"I'm starting to wonder if parents should face criminal prosecution if their minor children die from preventable diseases because they've opted the child out of vaccination."
YES
Re:Natural Selection (Score:4, Insightful)
And it's not even only the child of the anti-vaxxer that suffers, but other children who can't be vaccinated due to age, medical condition, etc. Thankfully, my kids are old enough to be vaccinated (and are), but were they infants now, they would be completely unprotected from Anti-Vax Mom's kid spreading measles everywhere they go. And measles viruses can last up to 2 hours on surfaces. So Anti-Vax Mom goes into Target and her kid touches a toy. Then another family goes into the store and the baby manages to touch the same toy. Baby is now exposed to measles and might die. All because of Anti-Vax Mom's fear of "toxins" from conspiracy sites.
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No, but a legal guardian can be prosecuted for the death of a person in their charge, especially when that death was due to negligence. Parents have been successfully prosecuted when their children have been severely injured and the parents refused treatment, or when children have come down with diseases that cannot be vaccinated-against and the parents refused treatment.
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Since when is a toddler "your own body"? If you don't vaccinate yourself and you die of measles, we will thank god and move on with life. When you choose to not vaccinate a three year old and he dies of measles, you should be facing the death penalty so you can apologize in person.
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I jus have to ask, fill in the blank:
Pro _________ :)
lapse?
crastination?
pulsion?
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For some people, they have no immunity despite having been vaccinated multiple times. They only have ‘Herd Immunity’ but could still get it if exposed. I know someone who has been vaccinated for something 9 times and her titers (sp?) comes back as not immune every time.
Re:Natural Selection (Score:5, Insightful)
Seems to me this problem is working itself out.
I see this opinion over and over again on so-called "Libertarian" sites like Slashdot, and it really pisses me off.
What you're in effect saying by "this problem working itself out" is "I'm fine with little kids suffering."
Stop being so damn callous all in the name of "liberty" and "personal freedom."
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Well....they're not my kids....
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Well....they're not my kids....
Well... your kid aren't my kids, so does that mean you'd like me to be okay with your kids suffering? Or are you operating under the delusion that you don't need society's help to protect your kids, that you can do it all yourself?
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Not to mention that kids are dying who are too young to be vaccinated or who have medical issues simply because they were in the general area of an unvaccinated kid. If this is "the problem working itself out", there's a lot of collateral damage going on.
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Seems to me this problem is working itself out.
From a CNN article:
The CDC said Monday there have been 704 cases of measles nationwide this year as of Friday.Seventy-one percent (503) of this year's US patients were unvaccinated, 11% (76) were vaccinated with at least one of the recommended doses, and 18% (125) had an unknown vaccination status. Of those infected this year, 25 were younger than 6 months old, 68 were between 6 and 11 months old and 167 were between 16 months and 4 years old....The CDC recommends two doses of the MMR, measles, mumps and rubella, vaccine to protect against the illness. The first dose is to be given between 12 and 15 months old and a second dose between 4 and 6 years old
This is also hitting children that are either too young to be vaccinated, or are between rounds of vaccinations so therefore aren't fully protected yet. Karma and nature are going to work too slowly to let them work it out themselves.
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Re:Natural Selection (Score:5, Insightful)
Vaccines don't actually work very well.
That depends on the vaccine.
The smallpox vaccine worked very well. The near 100% effectiveness rate is why we no longer have smallpox.
Influenza vaccines don't work so well.
Measles is in the middle.
Re: Natural Selection (Score:5, Informative)
Re: Natural Selection (Score:2)
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Re: Natural Selection (Score:5, Informative)
it's clear you don't understand what "herd immunity' is. We achieved it in 1979 for smallpox with its vaccine and it's 95% effective rate with the high enough compliance rate for vaccination.
Compliance rate for measles vaccination went down just enough to produce the problem we have now. And other bad diseases will come back if these ignorant communities don't get vaccinated.
Re: Natural Selection (Score:2)
First thought: the "free thought project" sounds like a website dedicated to thoughtless bullshit.
Second thought (after reading article): yep, sounds like anti-vax bullshit.
Third thought (after looking up some numbers): the mumps vaccine has an efficacy of around 88%. With a crew of around 413 we would expect that an outbreak on the Fort McHenry would infect around 50 people on average. They've had 27 cases, which is well within the norm.
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Smallpox was eliminated because enough people in the world had the vaccination.
The efficacy of the influenza vaccine varies because they have to guess, some time in advance, exactly which strain will be circulating during the next flu season. The efficacy rate in the last 10 years has ranged from 19-60%. (Note that the efficacy r
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The big problem with influenza vaccines is that there are many, many strains of influenza. You need to guess at what types will be prevalent next year when you're brewing the batch of vaccines. If you guess A, B, and C, but D spreads during flu season, your vaccine won't be that effective. There's been work towards a universal flu vaccine, but it's still a guessing game. Still, getting the flu vaccine is better than nothing.
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Vaccines don't actually work very well. When you have a moderate pathogen load, your immune system can respond; but with a high pathogen load, the vaccination fails, and you get sick.
When several go unvaccinated, they spread disease quickly among themselves, and then produce an overwhelming pathogen load in the environment around everyone who did get vaccinated. People start getting sick, vaccine or no vaccine. At a point, these people start contributing to the load, and overwhelm the whole population, nullifying the effects of the vaccine entirely.
Cool story bro! You need to abandon all medicine - Millions of years of evolution, and they didn't have Big Pharma's killer pretend meds. It's all a plot by Big Pharma, the Bilderburgs, and Nanette Fabray.
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polio and smallpox beg to differ.
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Practically everybody in the world received those vaccines for a while. It was a long while.
Thousands in America--of hundreds of millions--go unvaccinated and a long-eradicated disease immediately starts killing children who aren't given multiple doses of the vaccine. That's all it took.
We never fully-eradicated polio, in any case, even with a live virus that transferred the vaccine from person to person by mere contact.
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How do unvaccinated people cause vaccinated people to catch measles?
1) Vaccines are not 100% effective, so some few of those who received a vaccine are not immune even though they may think that they are.
2) Some people cannot receive vaccines(immuno-compromised, too young, too old, allergic to some components, etc).
3) A high enough exposure to a virus can allow it to over-come the normal immune reaction, letting someone who was either vaccinated or previously sick get sick again.
I am not sure if #3 is likely to be a problem for measles specifically, but 1 and 2 certainly ar
Re:Illegal aliens the root cause (Score:4, Informative)
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You mean those immigrants from Mexico that have a far higher vaccination rate than the US? It has been proven over and over again that the source of these outbreaks are US citizens and not illegal aliens.
Since it's been so proven please list a citation. I'll start with a counter example https://abcnews.go.com/Health/... [go.com]
You could only be Caffenated Bacon. (Score:5, Informative)
Measles vaccine has killed less than 600 ppl since it was started, in the 70s (or late 60s, i forget).
Last Decade? I will wager less than 20.
And deaths by wild Measles?
The measles vaccine is effective at preventing the disease, and is often delivered in combination with other vaccines.[6] Vaccination resulted in a 75% decrease in deaths from measles between 2000 and 2013, with about 85% of children worldwide being vaccinated as of 2014.[6] Once a person has become infected, no specific treatment is available,[6] although supportive care may improve outcomes.[6] Such care may include oral rehydration solution (slightly sweet and salty fluids), healthy food, and medications to control the fever.[6][7] Antibiotics may be used if a secondary bacterial infection such as bacterial pneumonia occurs.[6] Vitamin A supplementation is also recommended in the developing world.[6] [wikipedia.org]
Measles affects about 20 million people a year,[3] primarily in the developing areas of Africa and Asia.[6] While often regarded as a childhood illness, it can affect people of any age.[11] It is one of the leading vaccine-preventable disease causes of death.[12][13] In 1980, 2.6 million people died of it,[6] and in 1990, 545,000 died; by 2014, global vaccination programs had reduced the number of deaths from measles to 73,000.[8][14] Rates of disease and deaths, however, increased in 2017 to 2019 due to a decrease in immunization.[15][16] The risk of death among those infected is about 0.2%,[5] but may be up to 10% in people with malnutrition.[6] Most of those who die from the infection are less than five years old.[6] Measles is not believed to affect other animals.[6] [wikipedia.org]
Caffeinated Bacon, you are a constant liar.