'No One Wants Your Used Clothes Anymore' (bloomberg.com) 330
An anonymous reader shares a report: For decades, the donation bin has offered consumers in rich countries a guilt-free way to unload their old clothing. In a virtuous and profitable cycle, a global network of traders would collect these garments, grade them, and transport them around the world to be recycled, worn again, or turned into rags and stuffing. Now that cycle is breaking down. Fashion trends are accelerating, new clothes are becoming as cheap as used ones, and poor countries are turning their backs on the secondhand trade. Without significant changes in the way that clothes are made and marketed, this could add up to an environmental disaster in the making. [...] The tide of secondhand clothes keeps growing even as the markets to reuse them are disappearing. From an environmental standpoint, that's a big problem. Already, the textile industry accounts for more greenhouse-gas emissions than all international flights and maritime shipping combined; as recycling markets break down, its contribution could soar. The good news is that nobody has a bigger incentive to address this problem than the industry itself.
Naked time! (Score:5, Funny)
So you're saying we could cut out a major source of greenhouse-gas emissions by just going naked all the time?
Re:Naked time! (Score:5, Funny)
So you're saying we could cut out a major source of greenhouse-gas emissions by just going naked all the time?
Our friends north of the 60th might have a problem with that...
Re:Naked time! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Naked time! (Score:5, Insightful)
No, just stop buying new stuff. Stop throwing away your perfectly good clothing.
Everybody has too much stuff. Don't buy more. Just stop.
(I realize that on this site, many people here are not "fashion conscious" so this may not apply. However, in the real world lots of people just keep buying new stuff and throwing away perfectly good clothing.)
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Re: Naked time! (Score:5, Insightful)
It's true. Women's clothing is (by and large) flimsy, expensive and designed more for display than practicality compared to men's clothing. I'd be filled with happiness to find a dress with actual practical pockets! Amazing! What an idea!
Re: Naked time! (Score:4, Interesting)
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My second house tenant was like this, she converted a theoretical kid's room into a closet full of clothing and shoes she never wore but kept buying. After 6 months of not paying rent (the law here makes it hard to rid of tenants fast) she disappeared. At least 100 pairs of shoes and piles of clothes. Unworn.
She could have paid me 10x over with what she spent but had some compulsion that not even her high-flying six figure job could sustain. I know she didn't steal them with all the receipt and everythi
Re: Naked time! (Score:2)
Er, more like 5 years... 10, tops. Men's formalwear doesn't change multiple times per year, but changes are definitely perceptible over the span of a decade or so. Best-case, a 15 year old tux you bought as an expensive semi-custom outfit will look like a cheap rental tux. And that's assuming it still fits.
Still, compared to women, we're lucky.
Driverless cars (Score:2)
Between driverless cars delivering me pizza, and the internet, and meeting avatars, I really don't need to dress and leave the house.
Fear Polyester! (Score:4, Funny)
North Korea has made a credible threat to drop Disco on the USA.
Biogenetic Engineering to the rescue! (Score:2)
Maybe Monsanto or somebody else can simply engineer a bacteria that eats old clothes . . . ?
Now, it might be tricky deciding what exactly is old, but the results are guaranteed to be a hilariously hit at parties.
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I don't thing the biodegradability of the clothing is the biggest issue, but the process of making new clothing from scratch is cheaper then recycling, however it is more of an environmental impact.
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Fashion or need? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Fashion or need? (Score:5, Funny)
Perhaps clothing from the US is simply too large to be useful as anything other than tents...
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...clothing from the US is simply too large...
Our president is 6'3" & 239 lbs. If he was 6'2.5" or 240 lbs, he'd cross the line into obesity. There's already an offer of $100k to DJT's favorite charity if he'll get on a real scale.
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So you are saying if he gets on a scale someone will donate 100K to DJT, his favorite charity?
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Maybe he's counting the extra height of his hairpiece?
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Maybe he's counting the extra height of his hairpiece?
I think it's more likely that the nurses are allowing him to self-report his height and he is telling them how tall he wants to be perceived to be (with his elevator shoes on, of course). He's a moron, but he does likely know that taller men are often perceived to be better looking, more successful, more intelligent, and more aggressive - all traits that he wants to be associated with.
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I don't approve of The Donald, but I also don't see how someones weight or BMI plays a role in how well they can lead a country.
If he's so unhealthy that he's going to croak in office or that his health might affect his decision making skills, it would be good to know. If he's going to come in last at the World Leaders' 5k Fun Run, I couldn't care less. Setting a good example wouldn't hurt, but that's not part of the job description.
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It's just more proof he's a habitual liar who has an issue with vanity.
Precisely. Trump's entire fucking existence is a lie, right down to his famous last name. He makes ordinary politicians look like boy scouts.
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18.75 hands and 17 stone.
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Let's put it that way: You wouldn't believe the amount of BMWs and iPhones you will find in some of the poorer areas of my home town...
Re:Fashion or need? (Score:5, Insightful)
Even people in Trump's *hole countries people have plenty of clothes. That's not the problem.
The problem is that we dump our trash on their market and destroy any local market for clothing. This prevents them from "lifting themselves up by their bootstraps" (or similar neoliberal articles of faith). Poor countries are finally saying stop sending us your trash. We need to develop our own economies.
Re:Fashion or need? (Score:4, Insightful)
Maybe it would be better for those countries to take the free clothes, and use the savings to develop their economies by focusing on other stuff that we're not sending them. That way they would end up with both the clothes and the other stuff.
Re:Fashion or need? (Score:4)
indeed. NGO's by and large do more harm than good. There was a good documentary about this called "Poverty, Inc." https://www.povertyinc.org/ [povertyinc.org]
Watching it was very enlightening for me. I originally thought the main harm was in destroying cultures and putting in the judeo-christian god instead of the local one(s).
Re:Fashion or need? (Score:5, Interesting)
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I can't believe there are not plenty of poor areas of the world that are more concerned with meeting human needs rather than catering to fashion taste.
It's not about fashion, it's about the fact that no one wants your second hand $10 shirt when they can buy the same shirt new back home for $1. The affordability gap for cloths has plummeted both in the first world and the third world.
It's more the removal than the value (Score:2)
We donate a lot of clothes and other items all year.
We have been deducting donations, but even with the deduction cap being much higher next year and likely not itemizing, it's not like we'd stop doing that. The stuff has to go out and it's way easier and better for all to throw boxes of random but still useful stuff at Goodwill rather than in the trash, what a waste...
Also we never deducted full value, I don't think you can do that. I forget what the guidelines were but I'd say it's more like 10% of what
Baloney. (Score:5, Interesting)
The amount of Thrift stores around me has drastically increased in the past decade. My wife lived in Rome for years, and there's daily street fairs where there's many many used clothes being traded.
The article references used FIBERS, totally different from clothes. I see no evidence that thrift, or open air market prices are anywhere near the prices of new clothes. Used fibers turned into new clothes/goods are a different matter. I suspect the fibers will be used for something even cheaper. Insulation?
Re:Baloney. (Score:5, Interesting)
Yeah, in Canada it's so cut-throat for used clothing that there's been incidences of "box poaching" by companies. In most cities there's a booming business in thrift stores, and before someone brings up the "but the Goodwill in Toronto..." the people who were running it literally ran it into the ground, took money, pilfered the poor, and the board paid themselves extravagant amounts of money while the workers worked either for minimum wage, or donated their time. Then tried to scrub all the financial information that they could to cover up the fact that they had pilfered money.
I suspect the fibers will be used for something even cheaper. Insulation?
Partially, it's mixed in with newspaper fiber already for blown insulation because some fire retardant chemicals stick to it easier. The fibers can also be added to a lot of the new laminate framing/beams to add extra strength or be reduced and used as a binder when the laminate is compressed. There's also the possibility that it could be rendered down and reprocessed into partial new-fill, or mixed in with fertilizer. Something that's common with cotton already.
In what reality? (Score:2)
new clothes are becoming as cheap as used ones
Here in the U.S. "fashion retail" will sell a shirt for ~$50, while the very same shirt will show up a few months later at a thrift shop for ~$4. Some of the "upmarket" clothiers sell shirts (marginally nicer than the retail variety) for $100+ per shirt. At the local mall, I don't think you can even buy a T-shirt for less than $20 anymore. And they wonder why the place is so empty...
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They are all made in the same factory in Bangladesh for 20 cents worth of materials and one cent worth of work. NONE of them are worth $50.
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Shop at Old Navy, H&M, Uniqlo, etc. You can buy new stuff really cheap there.
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These days, you can leave out the brick and mortar stores as well, often with higher quality results. (I've seen cheap shirts in stores that are as thin as pantyhose)
Try out http://www.blankshirts.com/ [blankshirts.com] for example.
Recycle the recyclers (Score:2)
So wouldn't making the recyclers more efficient reduce their costs as well? I suppose they're missing
Or would efficiency overcome the raw material source?
Re:Recycle the recyclers (Score:5, Insightful)
So wouldn't making the recyclers more efficient reduce their costs as well?
And how do you propose to do that? Recycling means you get a mixed bag of everything people gave you and you never know what they were thinking. As an analogy, around here at Christmas time there's a donation box for gifts for the poor and because of the personal touch it encourages more and bigger contributions than paying donations. They wrap it up nice and pretty like it's ready to go from secret Santa to straight under the Christmas tree, on the card you're supposed to write the target age/sex.
Do you know what happens to all those presents? They're unwrapped, unpacked, inspected, reviewed for age/sex appropriateness, repacked and re-wrapped. And not just because some people have a bit strange ideas about what's really fit for a Christmas present or useful for a kid. But because there's always some ass hat with mental problems who'll wrap up a broken PlayStation or sex toy or dog poop and a note that says here's a little shit for a little shit. The system only works because they got volunteers willing to perpetuate a fantasy while shielding the recipients from what would actually happen.
You just can't get away from that individual checking of everything. It's the same thing that's killed much of the repair business, if your toaster is broken go buy a new one. Even if it's just a tiny fix the repair guy has exhausted the budget almost before he can get the lid off while a thousand rolled off the assembly line in China. And if the market doesn't care the manufacturer doesn't care about making manuals, parts and equipment etc. available either. Huge, controlled environments with identical items have economics of scale. Small, uncontrolled environments with mixed items don't.
Recycling, anyone? (Score:2)
Isn't textile one of the most recyclable materials in existence?
Even if the old clothes need to be shredded into fibers and re-spun, the recycled material doesn't have to be suitable as dress whites, it can be tent canvas, insulation, upholstery stuffing, etc.
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Isn't textile one of the most recyclable materials in existence?
Pure wool or cotton, sure. Pure polyester too.
Silk and linen, not so much, for different reasons.
And mixes, which are most clothes today, are often hard to recycle.
Re:Recycling, anyone? (Score:5, Funny)
"And mixes, which are most clothes today, are often hard to recycle."
Leviticus tried to warn us.
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Mod parent up!
Now what (Score:3)
So... (Score:2)
Why is this on Slashdot?
Fortunately (Score:5, Funny)
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Really? (Score:2)
There are also economists who are complaining that we are not recycling old clothes as much as we should.
Who is right?
Used clothes still useful for those in need (Score:5, Insightful)
I volunteer at a local food pantry that also makes donated clothes available to its clients. I generally only volunteer once a week, but I see a lot of people lining up to get clothing...whether it's for themselves or someone else.
Maybe other countries don't need/want our used clothing as much, but there's still a demand/need in the USA at least.
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but there's still a demand/need in the USA at least.
Define demand. If the demand isn't comparable to the new supply then it becomes a large waste issue regardless.
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I always donate my old clothes to Goodwill. Whenever I'm there I see plenty of people buying what they have out. Not just clothes, but lots of old things. Between Goodwill and another thrift store I sometimes visit that accepts donations I always see tons of stuff being bought, in my area at least the demand sure looks like it is pretty high.
We paid $30 for a little end table that sells new on Amazon for about $250 at Goodwill. Wife ended up painting it a light blue and stuck it in a corner by our sofa.
Developing countries, meet first-world problems (Score:2)
Fashion trends are accelerating, new clothes are becoming as cheap as used ones, and poor countries are turning their backs on the secondhand trade.
This is fantastic news. If a country is in a position to turn up their collective noses at perfectly serviceable used clothing because it's not new/trendy enough, I think we can take that as an official declaration that they're in fine shape to fend for themselves all the way around.
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"If they're hungry, why aren't they eating all of these old clothes?"
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Cute, but you're missing my point. We're talking about people who are supposedly turning down old clothes because they're not fashionable enough. If that's really true, they're operating on a much higher Maslowian tier than people genuinely threatened with starvation.
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But is it really because they're not fashionable enough, or is that just the spin put on it?
Maybe it's just not cost-effective to ship our used clothes over there.
Maybe they've finally got some manufacturing of their own going on.
Maybe our crappy secondhand clothes are manufactured so poorly that they disintegrate too quickly if exposed to the elements.
Maybe they started getting "YOLO" shirts and decided they'd rather just go naked.
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Maybe it's Maybelline.
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Not exactly guilt free (Score:2)
Sounds like alarmist news reporting to me .... (Score:4, Insightful)
When I read the original article, I get the idea that a lot of it is based on this one disaster relief blanket maker's tale of woe, discovering that they were booted out as the preferred provider of their recycled blankets made from worn out clothing material. I can't help but wonder if there's more to their story than what they reveal here, since they stated the Chinese product being purchased instead is still 50 cents per blanket more expensive than what they were selling. Don't these things generally get contracted out to the lowest bidder?
Maybe their recycled blankets weren't as durable as the new Chinese ones? Or maybe they weren't as warm or comfortable?
Additionally, I agree with another Slashdot poster who found it rather hard to believe that all over the entire world, we've actually reached a point where concerns about fashion trump any interest or need for cheap, used clothing? Here in America, I find that at least in my circle of friends (including the people I communicate with via social media), few of us are fashion conscious at all. I have a couple of female friends who are, but more of them actually tell me they just want clothing that lasts. They hate spending large amounts of time picking out clothes that fit well and look good on them, only to have their favorite selections wear out and need replacing again after a year or two. The guys I know pretty much all just have a need for "business casual" clothing plus comfortable, casual wear for weekends and days off work. It's all about buying what's reasonably priced while fitting the category they're seeking. "Fast fashion" has no role to play there.
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Textile Tax (Score:2)
Well, since the textile industry is a huge greenhouse-gas emitter already, and since they're just going to raise those emissions to meet the apparent increase in demand for new textiles, it seems they should just get taxed, right? I mean, slapping on a new textile tax will help decrease demand by denizens of the developing world by raising prices for new textiles out of their reach, thereby increasing demand for second-hand textiles again. Tax revenues could also be used to develop cleaner energy sources an
Welcome to the Brave New World (Score:4, Insightful)
Recycling? (Score:3)
Most of the clothes I buy are 100% cotton. Can't you just shred cotton, wool, linen, silk, rayon, etc. clothes and scatter the bits into the wind? They're natural fibers. That's what would've happened to the material anyway if they hadn't been turned into a textile. These things have been growing and dying for millions of years, and we're not buried up to our ears in them. So I assume bacteria are able to decompose them and re-enter the natural food cycles.
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I'm a Market (Score:2)
You could also wear them longer. It astounds me that people throw out perfectly good stuff. But I don't mind since I pick it up. I buy used cloths. A lot of people I know buy used cloths. The cost is about $1 typically, that's for a jacket, a shirt, pants, shoes, etc. Many people shop at thrift stores. These cloths are perfectly good. The new market isn't going to drop that low so there is going to be a market. So someone does want your used cloths. BTW, I'm in a third world country: Vermont (USA). :)
"No-one wants your used clothes anymore" (Score:2)
Macklemore is our only hope! (Score:2)
He makes some great points: https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
Quality (Score:3)
The problem is that cheap new clothes are generally really poor quality. I have bought used clothes that were high-quality and last much longer than new ones would, for about the same price. The problem is there's a lot of garbage clothing to sift through to find the good stuff, but I enjoy that sort of treasure hunt.
Of course, the fashion industry doesn't want people to keep clothes for a long time. I'd say that's the real culprit.
High Cost of Cheap Fashion (Score:2)
from a 2013 book, https://www.amazon.com/Overdre... [amazon.com]
“Overdressed does for T-shirts and leggings what Fast Food Nation did for burgers and fries.” —Katha Pollitt
Author got idea when returning from one of those stores like Ross with bundle of "good deals" then realizing she will never wear these and has a closet stuffed with cheap clothes she will never wear. She also found (and this was years ago) almost all donated clothing will be sent to the landfill because it is cheaper to buy new s
Why do we spend so much time on cars? (Score:2)
Not long ago I discovered that a few marine transport ships are enough to eclipse all of the emissions from vehicles in North America. Now you tell me that the textiles industry creates significantly more than that. North American and European cars are already far cleaner than those in the rest of the word, mostly thanks to electronic fuel injection and other forms of increased efficiency which we are all happy to have anyway. Then there are termite farts which to my knowledge far eclipse all of those thing
My Home Made Clothing Lasts For Years (Score:2)
I have not bought new clothing since I started sewing in 1995.
Not only does it last longer, it is also a pride of creation.
If you want to see pictures of my home made clothing, you can go to www.allyn.com
Some "thrift" stores aren't in thrifty anymore (Score:2)
Just complete the revolution (Score:3)
Average clothes are definitely far less durable today than 20 years ago. They appear to cost less, but I believe cost more over the long term. My jeans used to last about 150 wear / wash cycles and now seem to be good for only half that. Other clothes are far less durable than that.
It seems as though we've entered into an age where having the latest clothes is more important than how much they cost. This turns durability into something the average consumer has no desire to pay extra for. Why pay more to facilitate donating?
The ultimate evolution of this would be to have a brand new outfit every time you dress. There could be a market there for a home grown clothing industry.
Manufacturers based in the US can't compete in the clothing industry as it exists. So, perhaps they should seek instead to disrupt the industry.
We should seek to develop a device similar in size to a washer-dryer combination that will break down old clothes and create new ones. It would likely need to have supplies in canisters that are replaced. There would also likely be components that can't be recycled in the machine and must be removed to a depot for recycling. So, a service would cart away collection canisters and install new supply canisters periodically.
The business would shift from manufacturing clothes overseas to manufacturing sophisticated machines and recycling supplies locally. Also, clothing design would be a completely separate largely community-based, open source activity that these suppliers would no longer have to concern themselves with.
3D printing technology which has already shown an ability to create crude clothes would be a promising starting point for this. Ultimately I think a tech that could break material down into fibers, reform fibers into threads, and weave new clothes, perhaps from many micro threads instead of long ones, would produce better feeling, seamless clothes than a print from drops approach.
Getting there involves shifting from designing machines that automate human activities (which is what the current clothing industry does) to designing a whole process including the end product that is optimized for real-time on-site production of single-use outfits with full recycling.
Re:Dumb fashion trends (Score:5, Insightful)
Hold on to your out of date clothing. They will be back in style in 10 years.
Or simply wear them. If your friends judge you buy your clothes, they're not your friends.
Re:Dumb fashion trends (Score:5, Insightful)
Friends have very little in the way of influence on your life. It's the strangers who judge you that are the problem.
Re:Dumb fashion trends (Score:4, Insightful)
Why would you care about what strangers think of you? If they think you're horribly out of fashion, what influence will their negative opinion of you have on your life? For 99% of strangers, the answer is "none." After you've walked away from them, you might never see those strangers again. (And, if you do, the two of you might not even realize you've seen each other before.) So if a stranger is going to judge you based on your clothes, let them go right ahead. I'm sure some strangers judged me negatively because I'm a man in my 40's who wore a Harry Potter Entering The TARDIS t-shirt, but I don't care because I like that shirt.
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Re:Dumb fashion trends (Score:4, Insightful)
I only care because strangers are the people who sit on the other side of the table in job interviews
As someone who does job interviews:
For a job interview, don't wear fashion if you want the job.
It's anticipated that you, if male, wear a conservative suit, shirt and tie, unless health or poverty reasons prevent it. Whether it's new or three, five, ten or twenty years old isn't going to be noticed.
If you, on the other hand, wear what stands out as haute couture, you're going to be seen as someone self-centered with more expensive tastes that we'd like to pay for. If you don't even de-tag the suit jacket, you'll label yourself (no pun intended) as ignorant of etiquette too. Which might be OK for an office or floor job, but not if you're expected to meet customers.
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Some people have to settle for fake friends. Also, don't forget, sometimes you need good clothes to score a job or a pussy/dick.
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Hold on to your out of date clothing. They will be back in style in 10 years. This is why I don't buy name brand clothing. It doesn't have any more quality and hearing people say "cool jacket" is only nice for so long.
Funny you say that. Back in the early 1970's, I was in Rome, and saw an older homeless gentleman in an old suit, probably 30 or 40 years old, because it had wide lapels ... just like what had recently come back in style!
I think I saw the youtube video of you fighting him for that jacket. Kudos for your win!
It's hard to tell, though; it appeared to be originally recorded in 8mm.
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This sounds like an episode of Seinfeld.
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Yes, please. Seems that the only thing you can buy is women's pants with a man's label.
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17th century coats (think Pirates of the Caribbean) would be good too! Men's grey business suits are just boring.
Re:Lies (Score:5, Interesting)
The thrift stores are thriving, and so I wonder about the motivations of the poster-- propaganda? I think the used clothing stores are thriving and cutting into the margins of the highly over priced brand-merchandized disasters marketed in dying malls, and on-line.
Goodwill, Salvation Army, St Vincent de Paul, Amvets, all of these organizations have pretty efficient operations for re-purposing or selling clothes, at least in the USA.
Like you, I believe the BS agenda is behind the scenes here. Follow the money-- or efficiency of it.
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https://www.huffingtonpost.com... [huffingtonpost.com]
Most of the donations don't go to the thrift store. They are dumped in landfills, "recycled", or shipped to poor countries.
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Huffington Post isn't very useful as a citation.
Direct (not anecdotal) experience says that at least in my region, less than 10% gets tossed. The rest are resold. Some garments and labels have a higher success rate of resale than others. But there is a food-chain/ecosystem for even those garments that don't make it to thrift store shelves/racks including outlets, raggers, and more.
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Huffington Post isn't very useful as a citation.
Then provide a better one.
Direct (not anecdotal) experience says that...
Your direct experience is exactly what "anecdotal" means.
Re:Lies (Score:4, Interesting)
My wife works for the state office of Goodwill in our state. We live in a northern state where it gets COLD. They get far more clothes donated to them than they can resell or even give away. They actually have to resort to bailing clothes like hay just to store them in rented or purchased old semi trailers. More beat up clothes they send away to be cut up into rags or stuffing as mentioned. They have had to reduce the days that they will accept donations because it takes their staff so long to sort and process the tide of donated clothing. And yet, no one is coming in to get them here. So, then it comes down to shipping. They have to pay companies to take away their bails of clothes to other states with higher need so that someone else can unbail and go through all of the clothes again to try to get them to people who need and want them. They barely break even with the clothes they can sell to pay for taking away the clothes that they don't.
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You should realize that most of the donations to Salvation Army, Goodwill, etc. don't end up in the local thrift store. Most of it is bundled and shipped to the third world where it's dumped on their doorstep, destroying local markets and filling their landfills.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com... [huffingtonpost.com]
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What does global warming have to do with anything?
Where do all those non-sequitors come from suddenly? /. used to be a place where you'd get mostly on-topic discussions, interrupted only by the goatse-guy, the one with the app apps and the moo-cow. Hell, even APK is most of the time on topic.
But for some freakish reason in the past year or two we had an influx of people who keep droning on with their bullshit agenda. Whatever it may be this time. For fuck's sake, get back to Reddit and Twitter.
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What does global warming have to do with anything?
It's affecting the natural fiber crops, like cotton. If I didn't wear them until they were holey, the third world would be happy to have my castoffs because they are overwhelmingly made of natural fibers. I'm happy wearing secondhand clothing, but that's difficult for me because I'm two meters tall and there's not that much of it available to me compared to what's out there for others. Still, almost everything I own is made out of cotton, rayon, linen, or silk. I have a few poly blend overgarments, but I pr
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But for some freakish reason in the past year or two we had an influx of people who keep droning on with their bullshit agenda. >
Honestly, I miss Dr Bob and his subluxations. I think grub was the last sophisticated troll I've seen on the internet.
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Washing helps with that.
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