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The Cult of Elon Musk Shines With Steve Jobs' Aura 181

HughPickens.com writes Alan Boyle writes that over the years, Elon Musk's showmanship, straight-ahead smarts and far-out ideas have earned him a following that spans the geek spectrum — to the point that some observers see glimmers of the aura that once surrounded Apple's Steve Jobs. "To me, it feels like he's the most obvious inheritor of Steve Jobs' mantle," says Ashlee Vance, who's writing a biography of Musk that at one time had the working title The Iron Man. "Obviously, Steve Jobs' products changed the world ... [But] if Elon's right about all these things that he's after, his products should ultimately be more meaningful than what Jobs came up with. He's the guy doing the most concrete stuff about global warming." So what is Musk's vision? What motivates Musk at the deepest level? "It's his Mars thing," says Vance. Inspired in part by the novels of Isaac Asimov and Robert Heinlein, Musk has come around to the view that humanity's long-term future depends on extending its reach beyond Earth, starting with colonies on Mars. Other notables like physicist Stephen Hawking have laid out similar scenarios — but Musk is actually doing something to turn those interplanetary dreams into a reality. Vance thinks that Musk is on the verge of breaking out from geek guru status to a level of mass-market recognition that's truly on a par with the late Steve Jobs. Additions to the Tesla automotive line, plus the multibillion-dollar promise of Tesla's battery-producing "gigafactory" in Nevada, could push Musk over the edge. "Tesla, as a brand, really does seem to have captured the public's imagination. ... All of a sudden he's got a hip product that looks great, and it's creating jobs. The next level feels like it's got to be that third-generation, blockbuster mainstream product. The story is not done."
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The Cult of Elon Musk Shines With Steve Jobs' Aura

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  • I'm OK with this (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Bradmont ( 513167 ) on Sunday October 12, 2014 @08:36AM (#48123269) Homepage
    In OK with this, especially since the major difference between the two is that Musk is actually innovating, instead of just making great packaging and hype.
    • by smittyoneeach ( 243267 ) * on Sunday October 12, 2014 @08:46AM (#48123287) Homepage Journal
      I'm all looking around for the cologne advertisement [youtube.com].
    • by ArmchairGeneral ( 1244800 ) on Sunday October 12, 2014 @08:50AM (#48123303)
      I'm glad to see this comment was posted, and so early too. While Jobs can be credited with the work he's done, Musk is the one that, IMO, has already done far more in terms of technological advancements.
      • by wisnoskij ( 1206448 ) on Sunday October 12, 2014 @09:06AM (#48123355) Homepage

        I'm glad to see this comment was posted, and so early too. While Jobs can be credited with the work others have done, Musk is the one that, IMO, has already done far more in terms of technological advancements.

        Fixed that for you.

        • Really? (Score:2, Interesting)

          by Anonymous Coward

          Electric cars were one of the FIRST automobiles [wikipedia.org]. It wasn't until gasoline was able to be produced in greater quantities and cheaper because of "cracking" [wikipedia.org] that the internal combustion engine took off.

          Musk is not an innovator. He is taking advantage of the latest battery technology (developed by others) and trying to produce an electric car - which has been attempted on an off for almost 180 years.

          Musk is a promotor just like Jobs.

          • Re:Really? (Score:4, Insightful)

            by binarylarry ( 1338699 ) on Sunday October 12, 2014 @09:24AM (#48123419)

            Oh so you can't be an innovator unless you completely invent every idea from scratch?

            That's so novel, you should write a book!

            • Nothing (Score:1, Informative)

              by Anonymous Coward

              Musk invented nothing.

              And your slight and anger just shows that there is a cult around Musk - irrational emotonal outbursts are a sure sign of a cultist.

              "Oh my god! Someone criticized my HERO! Time for a flaming!"

              Here is what _I_ consider to be an innovator. [wired.com]

              Musk is just a salesmen.

              • I'm not so much Cult of Musk as a strident Anti-Retard supporter.

              • by gnupun ( 752725 )

                They're both innovators, with the blood testing inventor doing more work. Whereas Musk recognized a good idea and spent millions backing and managing the production of such cars.

                You do realize manufacturing cars requires a ton of capital. All inventions are kinda obvious once you seen them in action and know about their internals.

              • Re:Nothing (Score:4, Informative)

                by pepty ( 1976012 ) on Sunday October 12, 2014 @05:13PM (#48125773)

                Here is what _I_ consider to be an innovator.

                Musk is just a salesmen.

                Ok, I'll bite. What exactly did Holmes, or even the other folks as Theranos, invent? Microfluidic blood tests, DNA based tests instead of ELISAs, All that stuff was invented in the '80s and '90s.

                Have a look at her list of patents. Which actually present new ideas instead of combinations of well established technologies?

                http://patents.justia.com/inventor/elizabeth-holmes

                Musk took existing technology, improved it and recombined it until it could support real business plans.

                Holmes took existing technology, improved it and recombined it until it could support a real business plan.

                Good on both of them.

            • To be fair to the original poster, he has a point. California had all electric cars in the 1970s. Even the all electric Chevy Volt was available before the Tesla. So, while the Tesla is an improvement, it's not innovative. Now, his idea for the tube railway thing, that could be innovative. His plan for Mars isn't innovative, colonizing Mars has been talked about for decades. However, there is no doubt that the technology that will be created to make it possible will be innovative. Of course, until that tec

              • Re:Really? (Score:4, Informative)

                by haruchai ( 17472 ) on Sunday October 12, 2014 @08:44PM (#48126689)

                The Chevy Volt is NOT all-electric; it's only slightly different than a plug-in Prius.
                What Musk is doing is building the entire ECOsystem. Cars, batteries, high power charging stations. over the air updates, solar manufacturing & leasing.
                All of those things are already available but no one company has done as much and Tesla is TINY compared to the competition.

                • He is not the first to control the entire production chain. Ford did it early on. And the Pennsylvania Railroad before that. That part of what Musk is doing is not innovative.

                  However doing it with an electric car is new and is why he is visionary versus innovative. He has a vision of how this all could work and is executing that vision.

                  Put differently, innovative is past tense, it is based on what you have already done. Visionary is future tense and is based on what you see as possibilities.

                  I'm not putting

              • I think you have your definitions twisted around. To innovate is to "make changes in something established, especially by introducing new methods, ideas, or products." Inventing something altogether or mostly new, like the hyperloop, is not innovation - it's invention. Innovation is more like what Apple did - taking something that already exists but packaging it and delivering it in a (hopefully) more successful form, by focusing on design and interface.

                A visionary, I think, is someone like Arthur C. Clar
                • I don't disagree with your definition. However, with the Tesla, what is he innovating? There have been all electric vehicles prior to his. The technology he is using isn't being used differently than in those other vehicles. Yes, he is looking at building his own infrastructure, but that has been done before, too. That's not to dismiss what he is doing by any means.

                  I also agree that the hyperloop is invention, not innovation. While it appears similar to a train or monorail, it really isn't. I would also

          • Re: Really? (Score:3, Insightful)

            by Anonymous Coward

            Actually, musk has contributed a great deal Tesla.
            The same is true of spacex.
            While jobs would pick winners, musk has worked to make the winning products.

            • Re: Really? (Score:5, Insightful)

              by BasilBrush ( 643681 ) on Sunday October 12, 2014 @12:48PM (#48124445)

              The emphasis on typography that led to the Mac OS UI and to desktop publishing was an input of Jobs to the direction of the product.

              Earlier than that, for all the slashdot hero worship of Woz, the Apple II wouldn't have been built had it not been for Jobs, and if it had it wouldn't have had a case, which means it wouldn't have been the breakthrough into offices that the Apple II was.

              The idea that Jobs just picked products, rather than had a significant part in forming them is moronic.

          • Re:Really? (Score:4, Interesting)

            by tlhIngan ( 30335 ) <slashdot.worf@net> on Monday October 13, 2014 @02:44AM (#48128111)

            Musk is a promotor just like Jobs.

            Well, they're both innovators and promoters and visionaries.

            They both innovated - Jobs by bringing GUIs to the masses and many other things by realizing what the masses want. (It's easy to bring something for a niche, but much more difficult to bring it to the masses). Musk brought innovative person-to-person payment system - send anyone money over the internet (he's a co-founder of Paypal, after all). Because until then, sending money meant you were basically a business, or were patient and did the whole money-order thing.

            And they both had visions on how things should work. Jobs was about computing and making lives better through transparent computers (computers that you didn't see, but did things for you in the background). Musk is seeing how to improve our lives and future. You may not be able to afford a Tesla now, but you know, electric cars are actually very practical machines and you're now able within reason to even drive with an electric car to your destination.

            Oh yeah, and both are salespeople because if you can't sell it, there's no point to even trying. Few things sell themselves, and most that assume they would, fail because of the hidden sales message.A few bad news articles and if you're not front and center managing the message, will easily spiral out of control. It's why Jobs made Microsoft invest $150M (message: If Microsoft invests in Apple, things aren't as bad as they seem). Or why Musk gets front and center when Tesla gets news, be it fires or negative reviews or whatever. Because if you're not dealing with the message, it's not going away.

    • by Njorthbiatr ( 3776975 ) on Sunday October 12, 2014 @10:26AM (#48123631)

      Musk is basically the polar opposite of Jobs.

      One delivers little with a lot of hype and the other delivers a lot with very little hype.

      • by BasilBrush ( 643681 ) on Sunday October 12, 2014 @12:54PM (#48124467)

        The hype is the same with both. Mostly self sustaining and well earned.

        And whilst the Tesla EV and SpaceX are important and exciting, bringing the GUI to the consumer has had more impact.

        • Success requires good engineering combined with good marketing. Musk has the engineering down pat, and is smart enough to give his marketing department freedom to decide how his products are represented to the public. If he didn't have his current marketing department, he'd go hire one and give them as much free rein as necessary to keep the public excited about his products.

          Jobs was a master at marketing, but he didn't give the engineering enough credit. If he hadn't been fortunate enough to run acr
          • If Jobs didn't have Woz, he would have got another engineer to design the computer. A visit to the Homebrew Computer Club would have found quite a few engineers who were just as capable of putting a microcomputer together.

            Marketing was only one of Jobs talents. Another was motivating people to deliver their best work. Since Woz stopped working for Jobs, he has done nothing notable - beyond spending the wealth that his association with Jobs earned him. Other designers and engineers that worked for Jobs HAVE

    • by hackertourist ( 2202674 ) on Sunday October 12, 2014 @02:53PM (#48125137)

      I don't get it. Why the downplaying of Jobs' achievements? Yes, yes, asshole, RDF, marketing, design, blah blah blah. Whatever.
      1. Jobs led the team that developed the Macintosh: the first GUI-driven computer that had more than niche appeal. He changed the face of computing and everyone in the field furiously struggled to badly copy the Mac for the next decade or so. This made computing accessible to the masses, where previously the CLI had been a pretty big barrier for consumers.
      2. He introduced the first MP3 player that actually worked well. Billions sold, total market domination etc.
      3. He introduced the first smartphone that worked well. Billions sold, total market domination etc.
      Do you get the pattern yet? Innovation is not just about designing hardware. Designing a comprehensible interface is a major achievement in its own right.

      Jobs made computing accessible to the average man. If I were to exaggerate as much as the parent: Musk just makes cheap rockets and expensive cars.

      • It's easy to let rose tinted glasses come into play when looking back at computing's past, and excusable to a certain degree, but your claims really push the limits of how far I can distort my direct memories of some events.

        For one thing.. the Mac was always a small if not a niche player in the personal computing realm. DOS or Windows based PCs have outsold them by a large factor, from a minimum of about 6 times as many sold in when the Mac was introduce in1984 to over 50 times more sold in the mid 2000s a

    • My grandmother was given a iPod. One of the ones with the "innovative" wheel. She never has learned how to use it. A year later my aunt gave her a Creative Zen. Though the Zen was something like 1/5th the size, my grandmother was able to use it no problem. Creative labs had the Jukebox and the Nomad before the iPod. The Nomad could play MP3s, FM radio and could record sound. Their products were easier to use, cheaper, more features and better built. They just didn't have the great marketing of Apple.

      For p
  • I was always under the impression that the movie version of Tony Stark was based on Larry Ellison. Since when did Elon Musk become Iron Man?
    • Since about 2012... (Score:4, Interesting)

      by denzacar ( 181829 ) on Sunday October 12, 2014 @09:18AM (#48123393) Journal

      http://www.latimes.com/busines... [latimes.com]

      His 2010 cameo in Iron Man 2 didn't hurt either, and neither did the use of SpaceX for filming of some scenes.
      http://www.forbes.com/sites/ve... [forbes.com]

      It also helps that unlike Ellison his products are both physical and have direct practicality for most of the population so he is more easily associated with the inventor aspect of Tony Stark persona.
      Signature red color of his space-age car is another bonus.
      And so is the whole "rocket man" thing.

      In comparison, Ellison is more like Tony Stark BEFORE Iron Man.
      Yachting billionaire who collects cars, jets, islands and women and has a million dollar entertainment system which uses a swimming pool as a subwoofer, while his "charity" donations seem mostly to revolve around lawsuits.

      As for comparison to Steve Jobs...
      As the Iron Man 2 article above stated, Steve Jobs has "always been less Iron Man, more Willy Wonka".
      Who, while espousing such lines as "Do you want to sell sugared water for the rest of your life? Or do you want to come with me and change the world?" ended up selling overpriced toys.

      While Musk actually seems to be trying to actively fulfill the second part of that quote.

    • Why would Tony Stark be based on Larry Ellison?

      Larry Ellison owns a company (Oracle) that makes awful products and races boats occasionally.

      It's unfair to compare Tony Stark to that douchebag.

  • by Noah Haders ( 3621429 ) on Sunday October 12, 2014 @08:46AM (#48123289)

    I think it's actually Obama who's done the most on climate change concretely. He signed into law new fuel economy standards that will double the fuel called me a new vehicles. Elon musk is selling a couple thousand cars a year, well Obama standards will affect millions of cars every year.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      I agree. But Musk is also making the electric car cool.

      When the big 3 automakers tried their hands at it years ago, they made these ugly slow shit boxes that only greenest of the green wanted - so they sold hardly any and shut down production.

    • by bgarcia ( 33222 ) on Sunday October 12, 2014 @09:12AM (#48123375) Homepage Journal
      Let me get this straight. You're giving more credit to a politician. A politician who didn't even write the law. A politician who did nothing but sign a piece of paper presented to him by 535 other policitians. He didn't invent anything. He didn't build anything.

      And you're going to hold him up as having done *more* for the environment than an entrepreneur who spent - and risked - his entire fortune to make electric cars a mainstream reality.

      Seriously?

      • not to mention, the engineers of the US automotive industry were asked their roadmap and what was possible. Hence, what the politicians wrote. What Obama has done is line the pockets of "green" energy scammers

      • Actually, it was o that pushed that reg over the objections from the neo-cons/tea*. They were/are opposed to that reg as obamacare.
    • I think it's actually Obama who's done the most on climate change concretely. He signed into law new fuel economy standards that will double the fuel called me a new vehicles. Elon musk is selling a couple thousand cars a year, well Obama standards will affect millions of cars every year.

      http://www.nbcnews.com/id/2232... [nbcnews.com]

      When posed with the question: Would I prefer 50 politicians like X or businessmen/inventor's like Musk, my answer would be more Musks in the world.

      Politicians should be lauded for doing the

    • Noah, All of the major car companies are banding together to do fuel cells that use hydrogen derived from Nat gas.
      When gen 3 hits the market in about 3 years, few will want to buy a fuel cell car. As it is, the only reason why leaf and volt outsell model s is not because those owners do not want Tesla. It is simply because they can not afford it. Gen 3 will force all major car companies to switch to electric, rather than loose major shares to Tesla.
  • by wisnoskij ( 1206448 ) on Sunday October 12, 2014 @09:02AM (#48123339) Homepage
    They did? I sort of thought he just "invented" slightly tweaked things that already existed and respectively made the second most popular version of them, and then the most popular version of them.

    At least with the computer you could say that he was the co-designer of the modern computer, designer because neither of them invented the idea just popularised and commercialised on the idea. But I am not sure that the Apple computer really had that much sway on the idea of what the PC is/was.

    And while he was the leader in mp3 players and then smartphones, I am not sure that his designs were anything other that high-quality copies of what others had already done well before him. If Jobs was a leader in anything it was of aesthetic design and branding. Musk is the new Jobs, but he seems to be doing a better job of actually leading the pack instead of just following.
    • by Higaran ( 835598 )
      I agree, for all the praise people give him, all Jobs really did was be a guy that could get people to buy stuff. He invented nothing, he treated his family and friends like shit, I'm not even going how he acted to his employees.
      • I agree, for all the praise people give him, all Jobs really did was be a guy that could get people to buy stuff.

        If you think that is all he did then you really haven't bothered to look or are cherry picking facts. Yes he was an outstanding salesman but only someone with an ax to grind would pretend that there was nothing more to the man. Could I sum you up in one sentence? I doubt it. Let's not make more of the man than what he was but let's not make less either, ok?

        He invented nothing, he treated his family and friends like shit, I'm not even going how he acted to his employees.

        And what have you invented that we should all be impressed by? Steve Jobs has his name on 313 patents. How many do you have? Steve Jobs founded Ap

    • I thought all the apple product designs were down to Jonathan Ives
    • by JaredOfEuropa ( 526365 ) on Sunday October 12, 2014 @09:39AM (#48123473) Journal
      The iPhone was a game changer in the market. You are right in that it wasn't a radical new design and more the result of a series of small improvements coupled with a drive for quality. Even so, all those improvements added up to the first smart phone that was actually easy to use. Back then, if you saw someone take out a smart phone at the bus stop, fiddle with it for a minute and then put it back, you could be sure it was an iPhone. Doing small tasks quickly simply wasn't practical on the other smart phones out there at the time.

      I'm not sure to what extent Tesla innovated to create the cars they have, but certainly they made the first EV that people actually wanted to have for reasons other than it being an EV or hybrid. It was also one of the first mass market EVs that doesn't look like utter crap (the Honda Civic hybrid being the other one). Interestingly, some analysts suggested that Tesla should stick to supplying batteries and drive trains for other car makers... after having stood the EV market on its head. I for one hope that they'll continue to make cars, but the real test (and the tipping point) will be the moment they create a family EV in a mid-range price class.
      • I'm not sure to what extent Tesla innovated to create the cars they have, but certainly they made the first EV that people actually wanted to have for reasons other than it being an EV or hybrid.

        The Tesla Roadster made electric cars cool, in that it was a car for the ultra-top end market, people who otherwise would be buying a Lotus or Ferrari. So, it was an existence proof that you could make an EV that contended with top-end sports cars.

        It was also one of the first mass market EVs that doesn't look like utter crap (the Honda Civic hybrid being the other one).

        Actually, Leaf is the top selling EV on the market right now. If you count electric cars with gasoline backup, Volt would be on the list.

        Tesla doesn't make a mass-market EV yet; their Model S right now is rather a luxury car rather than something for the averag

      • by guises ( 2423402 ) on Sunday October 12, 2014 @11:06AM (#48123863)
        The iPhone was junk when it was released. There was nothing about the device itself that was really new, nothing that it could do which you couldn't do as well or better on another phone, it couldn't run any kind of non-Apple software (and still can't run anything which isn't expressly approved by Apple), and it cost six hundred dollars with contract.

        What turned the iPhone into something important was not the revolutionary device, the device was not revolutionary, it was the widespread belief that this was something important. In other words, marketing. It was the belief that made sales and created the customer base, it was the belief that brought all those developers, and it was belief that made people put up with the idea of a completely closed ecosystem - the idea that it was okay to buy something which wouldn't really belong to you even after your purchase. Again, not a revolutionary idea, but something that Apple's extraordinary marketing power could make happen. That was the new thing, the game changer.
        • by gnupun ( 752725 )

          There was nothing about the device itself that was really new, nothing that it could do which you couldn't do as well or better on another phone,

          Have you actually tried using a cellphone prior to the iphone? 5 to 7 tiny buttons are all you get to control the device. These multi-button controls are a lot slower than the iphone and require memorization and they are vastly limited in their capabilities and features.

          The iphone changed all that... vast number of functions available at a tap of your finger. Most

          • Touchscreen smartphones existed for years prior to even *rumors* of the iPhone's development. The key differences in the iPhone's user experience were:

            Technologically: Multitouch, rather than stylus or fat-finger+buttons. The tech for capacitive multitouch screens already existed, but it wasn't being applied to any kind of even vaguely mass-market device. Styluses provide better precision and can be used with minimal disruption even on very small screens, but you need a place to stow them (you'll lose them

    • by swb ( 14022 )

      I'll agree that Apple is a very heavily marketed brand and set of products, but I can't help but give Jobs credit for taking ideas and making technology accesable and usable to wide variety of people.

      And it's not like Musk invented cars or even electric cars, he had a vision of a better electric car and made it. And even if you argue the Tesla is a more visionary car than the iPhone was a smartphone or the Macintosh a computer, there would still be people arguing about its technology, limits, cost, etc.

      If

    • They did? I sort of thought he just "invented" slightly tweaked things that already existed and respectively made the second most popular version of them, and then the most popular version of them.

      Without getting too hyperbolic about it, yes you could say Apple's products have changed the world. I'm old enough to remember the world before Apple computers. Yes they really did change things. EVERY PC, smartphone, tablet computer, and MP3 player you buy today was influenced in demonstrable ways by Apple. While we shouldn't overstate the importance of that, we should shouldn't understate it either.

      As an aside, you keep saying "he" as if Steve Jobs was personally responsible for them. He was the lead

  • Musk is way better in this area. Most of Job's worshipers are those who buy apple products. One only need to read articles about Musk to become his worshiper
  • is what all the boys are wearing.
  • by markass530 ( 870112 ) <markass530@NOspAm.gmail.com> on Sunday October 12, 2014 @09:41AM (#48123481) Homepage

    Musk is more the Antithesis of Jobs

    http://www.teslamotors.com/blo... [teslamotors.com]

  • by organgtool ( 966989 ) on Sunday October 12, 2014 @12:14PM (#48124243)
    Steve Jobs revolutionized personal music players and smartphones. Elon Musk is revolutionizing energy production [wikipedia.org], battery technology [wikipedia.org], ground-based transportation [wikipedia.org], and space transportation [wikipedia.org]. His goals are way more ambitious than any of the goals of Steve Jobs. And even though he has only achieved wide-scale success on one of those goals so far, producing a car that is safe, efficient, luxurious, and fast is much more difficult than doing the same for a phone. In that regard, Elon Musk has already surpassed Steve Jobs and he's only getting started.
    • by sootman ( 158191 )

      > Steve Jobs revolutionized personal
      > music players and smartphones.

      Along with the GUI and the personal computer itself, but hey, don't let me stop you from cherry-picking facts to support your position.

      • I have heard people make these claims, but I was not at a maturity level to determine whether or not they were exaggerated at the time Apple released their first PCs. I do know that the GUI was largely invented by Xerox PARC but they failed to capitalize on it while Apple recognized the opportunity and seized it. However, while Apple may have had decent success with the PC in its time, I think Windows 95 was the first OS that really brought the modern GUI-driven PC into the vast majority of homes. And I
  • Do people idolize Elon Musk for his intelligence or wealth and success? I think the answer is that he has attained wealth and success that most people can only dream about. You may call me a troll, but I think this cult of Elon Musk only exists because of his vast wealth. Americans tend to place a whole lot of value on success as being wealthy and famous so a lot undeserved praise gets heaped on these types. I would council that simply because someone is wealthy, it is dangerous to accord them more respect
  • Musks 'Mars Vision' has human physiological limits that are unknown.

    No one has proved that human eyes can survive the length of a space irradiated trip to Mars & back. All we know is lengthy stays in space degrade astronaut's eyes.

  • If Jobs had not helped make the iphone, I am sure someone else would have made something similar and just as good, and already were. I have doubts of someone would be doing electric cars and SpaceX, in quite the same way that Elon Musk is doing them.

  • Tesla cars are interesting, but their impact is currently limited. The cars are simply too expensive. We'll have to wait and see if the impact of Tesla can change the industry. Other Elon Musk endeavours are also too early to tell. SpaceX is already going to space, but as others have commented, low Earth orbit is not really space yet. This is the cosy neighbourhood of our home. Getting to Mars and beyond is currently nothing but a dream.

    It is too early to compare Musk to Jobs. In spite of its many documente

  • Guys, it's advancement of society based on our social judgement.

    Gates, Jobs, Brin and Page and similar folks will be found by history to be the Henry Ford's of our time. Addressing problems of the many by bringing forward solutions of the affluent to everyone (e.g. bring access to the masses).

    Musk, Bezos, maybe, just maybe Zuckerberg (or likely not) will be found by history to be the Howard Hughes and Disney's of our time. Addressing pure world problems by tackling it with new approaches (e.g. a new way of

  • Jobs took on the pc industry and lost. But helped introduce a lot of great technologies in the PC industry. They also got it started.
    Jobs took introduced the GUI that was largely ignored until Windows was popularized in the early 90s.
    Jobs took on the music industry and unblocked the online music market.
    Jobs took on the cellphone market and beat the incumbents.
    He created the tablet market (even though MS created it first).

    Musk revolutionized online Payments with PayPal.
    Musk took on the Car industry and unblo

  • I keep hearing about this "colony on Mars" stuff, but we don't need to go out of earth because there is not enough space for all the people, there is plenty of space to build more cities available. We need to do it because we need more natural resources, do Mars has arable fields and water for them? Oil? Gold, silver, iron, aluminum? Rare earth minerals?

    To me asteroid mining seems far more interesting.

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