Strict Order Boarding Would Get Planes in the Sky Faster 880
electrostatic writes "In a Nature.com oldie-but-goodie, a physicist says he has solved a problem that costs airlines millions every year: what is the quickest way to get passengers aboard an aircraft? Boarding is a serious issue for airlines, particularly those operating short flights that run several times a day, yet boarding times have steadily increased for decades. Back in 2005 Jason Steffen of the Fermilab in Batavia, Illinois said the method used by many airlines to this day is almost the worst. 'The best way to board, according to the researchers, would be a row-by-row, seat-by-seat, strict order. That would mean everyone lines up, row 25 first. I can't imagine fliers will go for that. Next best, they say, would be boarding all the window seats first, followed by those in the aisle. Obviously that's not practical, at least for couples or families traveling together.'"
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Also, what difference would this truly make? Airports already maximize the number of takeoffs from multiple gates. The plane has no choice but to take off at time X, regardless of how annoying the boarding process is. Any successful implementation of speeding up this process means that everybody waits on the plane longer versus in the seating area at the gate.
Focus on the ridiculous security procedures, that's where I get pissed off when traveling.
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No that's not American at all (Score:5, Funny)
I think more efficient would be to just tranquilize all passengers and quickly have them sorted and loaded into the plane like luggage.
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Most airlines at most airports (i.e. all airports but jammed nightmares such as LGA, JFK in the evening, or ORD) are not capacity limited. If they can turn around planes quicker, that means more legs per day throughout the system, which translates directly into money. For example, Southwest has been continuously refining its boarding process for quite some time to try to shave minutes off turn time. They are at 25 to 30 minutes at most airports; they would dearly love to get that down to 20.
Even at capacity-limited airports, quicker turn times can get the plane out of the airport more quickly, saving time in the rest of the system. At delay-prone airports, quicker turns can help keep the system on schedule. One delayed major airport, such as EWR for Continental, can screw up an airline's entire network in a real hurry.
In 1998, Boeing introduced the 757-300, a super-stretch variant of the narrowbody 757 we know and love from transcontinental U.S. flights. The plane has the lowest cost per passenger-mile of any large jet in existence. Nevertheless, it didn't sell well. At least some of the operators who rejected it did so because, as a narrowbody with ~45 rows of seats, its turn times were just too long to fit smoothly into a short-haul operation. Instead, because of the turn times, those airlines are operating either smaller 757-200s (UA, AA) or widebodies such as the 767-300 (DL) or Airbus A300 (AA, LH). That's how critical turn times are to airline ops.
dual boarding more efficient? (Score:5, Interesting)
I'm always annoyed that I can't disembark via the back exit when I'm getting off (I always get stuck in the rear of the plane), and it irks me to be standing in a long queue to get on the plane when I know they could effectively double the bandwidth by opening up the back entry. I guess they don't want people walking on the tarmac unless they absolutely have to.
Re:dual boarding more efficient? (Score:5, Interesting)
There really is no good system. The inverse pyramid section-number situation really would work best overall if people obeyed and if gate crews enforced it. Instead, people scramble to be first in line when their number is called so they can get to their seat first...I guess because they like getting up two or three times to let people slip past, thus blocking the whole aisle and generally slowing everything down.
The fundamental problem isn't the infrastructure. It's not even the inconvenient configuration of the aircraft. It's the damn passengers. I was on a widebody that boarded (nearly full) in under 20 minutes once. The flight had been delayed four or five times over the span of six hours, and because of the weather, the crew informed the passengers that if they didn't get their asses in the seats quickly and without incident, we'd miss the only takeoff slot likely available. It worked.
Re:dual boarding more efficient? (Score:5, Insightful)
Sadly, many people do NOT follow the rules, and unless I get onto the plane fast, I often have no overhead space to stow my gear, meaning that it's out of sight for most of the flight.
This is why I always book seats at the back of the plane
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That stewardess just re-invented the bubble sort!
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Well, yes, but the limitations of bubblesort is tied to the assumption that there's only thread working on the problem - in the boarding queue you have n threads, for a problemsize of n, which eliminates the square execution time of bubblesort - the boarding queue bubblesort will execute in O(n), which is pretty close to optimal, given the overhead of explaining a more complicated algorithm, which has the limiting factor of single-threaded (the announcer) exe
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Come on people ... forget the size check you try to slip your bag into, if YOU CAN'T LIFT IT, IT's TOO DAMN BIG!
Sheez!
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The first airport has just been rebuilt with walkways but no planes are using them! I would hazard a guess that the airlines told the airport to get lost because it was faster to board / unboard with steps instead.
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What difference? Profits. Southwest is the only profitable US airline and has been for decades. One of the key differences is that Southwest optimizes the hell out of their turnaround procedures, and although they suck on many of the airline industry's traditional metrics (average used capacity per flight, for example) their planes spend a lot longer in the air because they spend a lot LESS time on the ground. Planes are not making money while they're on the ground waiting for people to be seated.
Why should you care if the airlines are making a profit? The more lucrative the industry, the more companies enter the field, the more competition, and the better prices and service we get. Maybe not right away, but in the long run we do like the companies that provide services to us to minimize their costs.
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I'm not positive this is still true today, but for a few years it definitely was.
There's a reason all the other airlines were falling all over themselves to try to mimic Southwest for a while. E.g. United's Ted line was supposed to be their experiment in trying to copy Southwest, Delta's Song was theirs, and so on.
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No carry ons... (Score:5, Insightful)
Bingo. The problem is that people can't get on and sit down because half the plane is trying to find a place to stowe their carry-on bags.
Which means that the solution, as I've often maintained, is to ban all carry-on luggage with the exception of purses and one briefcase or small backpack per person. Everything else goes through as checked backage. No garment bags. No wheelies. Nothing else.
This also speeds up getting OFF the plane, as everyone isn't now trying to get their 300lb bags down, and also speeds up security as well, since there are fewer bags to scan and x-ray and manually search. It wasn't bad when just the stewies did it. Now 2/3rds of the plane is trying to "save time" as well, and it's just not working.
Re:No carry ons... (Score:5, Insightful)
A lack of confidence in the company or industry generally makes people take steps to avoid being personally effected, which in turn can make things worse in general.
That's not why people carry on. (Score:5, Insightful)
One, it saves you 20-30 minutes of waiting around for your bags to get off the plane. (And in rare circumstances, it can save you an hour or more when, for example, your bags can't come off the plane because of lightning.)
Two, and more important to business travelers, is it preserves flexibility. If you've carried on your luggage, and something odd happens to your flight, you can take your bag, get off, and get on another plane. If your bag has been checked, you then have to figure out how you're going to get your bags that are coming in on a different flight.
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You forgot the third: A change of underwear and some basic toiletries, in case the rest of your luggage ends up in Novosibirsk, Siberia, instead of your intended destination, and you have to wait two days for it to get back to you.
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Or forever. My wife and I had our luggage lost by an airline the day before we were set to depart for a cruise... and they never found them.
Never again will I check a bag.
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You don't even need that much. I took a 3 week vacation through 4 countries with nothing but a carryon and a purse. It makes it so much easier, especially when you're trying to get through customs. No need to dress like a slob either, you just pack intelligently.
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As someone who flies at least twice a week (and I am typing this from an airport at 5:30 AM, funnily enough), I would literally hate life if carry-ons were banned.
As a frequent flyer and a business traveler, carry-ons are the saviors. You don't have to wait in life for checking in a bag, you walk through priority check-in and you don't wait for your luggage to reach you. And given how often I fly, the chances of my bags ending up elsewhere is significantly higher - I'd rather not take that chance (and yes, it's happened in the past, on more than one occasion). God, I'd hate you. Carrying around my laptop and a bunch of notes hurts my shoulders, and the only thing that makes it bearable is the fact that I can put it on top of my wheeled carry-on.
Now, here's a better alternative -- permit carry-ons, but have the crew do a curb-side check-in of the bags (i.e. they take all the big bags from you before you board the plane).
No carry-ons? That's a business travelers nightmare. I'd rather spend 1/2 hour extra than give up my carry-on.
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I think part of the point, if not most of it, has been missed through limited explanation. I think there is some potential here and some added advantages. What if you had a Mock Plane in the waiting area which had all the seats in specific order layed out on the carpet? That has the advantage of lots of access points because there are no walls like planes so getting into that seating arrangement would be trivial. Moving from that seating area to the actual plane would consist of only the ticket check.
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Suppose you have hubs in different areas of the country, as most airlines do. Anyone going from one "area" to another can be funneled through a series of hub-to-hub flights, which will nearly always be at full capacity, and then onto smaller planes for the shorter hops. There are other economies of scale in ground operations, as well.
If you just run a whole bunch of point-to-point flights, no one's on them. And you could have smaller hubs to mitigate the "storm in New York snarls all air traffic coast-to-coast", but then you divide the passengers into more pieces, and you're forced to run these intermediate flights less often or less full. The other option is to move back to a multi-stop model the way Southwest does, but for some reason people hate multi-stop flights more than they hate being funneled through their nearest airline hub.
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If you aren't there 15 minutes (20 for some airlines) prior to boarding, then you aren't getting on the plane. Since it should only take 15 minutes to get everybody organized, the late of their own accord person is not a problem. The problem is the late because of the airlines person. That person doesn't have to be at the gate 15 minutes prior to takeoff. It wouldn't be fair to impose that requirement on a connecting passenger, since it is the airline's fault that he is late. But his being late would definitely screw up some sort of organized boarding system.
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Loading the front rows first is absolutely ridiculous. While rows 1-5 fumble around trying to cram their stuff in the overhead compartments, rows 6-10 just have to wait until they figure it out, then they get to fumble around with their overhead compartments while 11-15 are blocked. If you load from the back first, people can fumble with their luggage all at the same time, and no isles ever get blocked in the process. It's just common sense, and I am very glad that I am not the only one that is dumbfounded every time they see this. I do, however, think it's funny that someone managed to get this published in nature
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Stick to your Big Bangs and your quantum tunneling, Einsteins, and leave airport management to the people who brought us shoe-fetish security theater.
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They won't go for it? (Score:3, Funny)
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The main reason is overhead bin space. Somehow, a fair segment of they flying public labors under the belief that it is correct and proper to stow their baggage in the first available overhead bin. Board late in first class (assuming an aircraft boarding through a door forward of that cabin) and you're likely to find a fraction of the overhead bin space occupied by F passenger bags, and the remainder occupied by coach passenger bags.
The secondary reason is that notwithstanding a planeload of passengers filing past you, the F cabin is still a more pleasant place to be than the gate area.
-Isaac
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2. With a business class seat, you get on first to make sure you have first claim on the shared resources of the airplane, such as overhead bins and tiny little blankets. If you waited to get on until the economy people had all walked through, it'
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I've got new for you, most of the pompous prats I know who travel first class wait in the airline lounge until they are personally called to board the plane. So in fact they board last. The worst offenders of this I know have PhDs. They love the sound of "would Dr Blogs please board flight BR564 at gate 6".
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My experience has been that rarely does first class hold things up; yes, we get seated first, but how often do you have someone in the aisle, taking off their jacket, their sweater, cell phone out to put in the jacket, put their bags above, dig out their laptop, then sit down?
When I have to fly what I actually paid for - coach - 90% of the delays are people not prepared. They stand in the aisle, digging through bags to get out MP3 players, or their laptop. They decide they want to take of their jacket once they're on the plane, rather than in the airport.
Too many who fly simply don't understand that it's a cooperative effort. Bag overhead, get in your seat, buckle up. Wait until you're up above 10,000 feet before you stand up to dig out your laptop or MP3 player (you can't run it until that point, anyway). Take your jacket off before you board the plane. If you have an aisle seat, wait until near the end of your section/group is called since you'll have to get up anyway to let the window seat in; if you're a window seat, queue up first in our group.
It's not surprising that first class usually contains heavy fliers, who understand these basic facts; it's usually the novice - or very infrequent - flier who is constantly being told to buckle up, put your bag under the seat in front of you or overhead (no you can't keep it on your lap), raise your seatback before we push back, no you cannot use the head as we're taxiing, turn off your cellphone NOW, etc.
Signed,
A "first class jerk"
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I'm an occasional traveler - maybe 10 times a year. Still a lot more frequent than the general public I think, and I know my way around flying. I agree with you wholeheartedly, and would like to add that this isn't just a problem in the cabin, but also at check-in.
Yes, you know the ones. The big family of 6 clearly taking the plane for the first time in their lives, who saunter up to the check-in counter, no ID in hand, no documents in hand, and then spend the next 10 minutes digging through luggage for the documents they should've known they'd need in the first place.
Seriously people. Have your luggage in order, make sure it's not overweight AT HOME, have you boarding pass printed, and your drivers license/passport/what have you in-hand. I do, and I'm in and out of that check-in procedure in 30 seconds FLAT.
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No it isn't. All SouthWest has is a way to keep the lines shorter. Once you get on the plane, you can sit wherever you like. Of course, if you don't get an "A" ticket, you can kiss your chance for a window seat goodbye. But you still end up with the dork who holds up the entire line of people boarding so that he can get a seat near the front while he takes off his jacket and digs in his carry-on bag for his MP3 player before putting it above.
Me? I'm more of a "Coach-jerk". I check in everything I can. I board quickly, usually with an "A" ticket. I go for the window seat, my laptop goes on the floor in front of me, my jacket goes into the seat next to me. I pull my hat down, lean back, and start reading.
Usually, I get the seat next to me empty, though if anybody asks, I'm nice about moving my jacket. Coach is so much nicer when you have a nice, empty seat next to you to park your crap!
But when we get off, that's where everybody does the stupid - they all rush off the plane so that they can stand for 20 minutes at the baggage claim. Me? I wait until EVERYBODY is off the plane, reading my book or whatever. When *everybody* is OFF the plane and the stewardess is wondering what to say to me, that's when I get off. A nice, easy walk to the baggage claim, and I get there right as the bags first start popping out every time.
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Anyone can get an "A" ticket; you don't even have to pay extra. Just check in 24 hours (exactly) before your flight online. You usually get a pretty low number, too.
Seat 11E on Southwest 737-700 and 737-300 airplanes has a built-in space to the right. Seat 12F has tons of legroom, because there is no seat 11F. Seats 11A, 11B, and 11C have about 10 extra inches of legroom. Often people overlook these seats for some reason; I cannot contemplate why anyone flying alone would turn down a seat with extra room.
They call it an exit row. I call it "first class".
You should avoid the forward lavatory on Southwest, if you're a guy and he aft lavatory is open. The forward lavatory has the "Southwest 737 Forward Lavatory Seat Bug" - the toilet seat will not stay up because the curvature of the aircraft prevents it from tilting past straight up.
Did you ever stop to think that some people may have connecting flights? Ever flown through LAS or MDW on Southwest? Ever get delayed and have to run to make a tight connection?
Ahh, so you're that guy. I guess I don't really care. 80% of Southwest flights I'm on are 100% full, no seats free. Comfortable? Not exactly. Cost effective? Absolutely. You can't have $59 tickets from Denver to Oakland if you don't fill the planes.
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I'm one of those elite passengers, for 9 years in a row. In my experience, we are not the problem. We know what will fit into the overhead bin and under the seat, know how to get carry-on's stowed quickly, and to step out of the aisle as soon as possible to allow people to get past -- because we have repeatedly had to stand and wait for someone that does otherwise. I get upgraded to first class occasionally, but otherwise I'm usually one of the first people into the plane after first class had boarded, and invariably I find all of them seated and the aisle is clear.
My least favorite time to travel is near the holidays, because that's when you get the people that fly once or twice a year. They stand in the aisle while they take off their coat, try to stuff an oversize department store shopping bag into the overhead bin, and argue over who is going to sit next to the window. Or they insist that their 4-year old lead them down the aisle, who stops at every row to ask "is this it?", and bumps every person sitting in an aisle seat with his/her Barney backpack.
I won't bother to describe the incredibly clueless people I see at the security checkpoint near the holidays (and no, I'm not talking about the TSA).
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United's problem is that their gate personnel are sloppy about the boarding procedure. They'll call "boarding group 1", which these days is nominally the rear of the plane, but they aren't strict about who they let through at that point. Then, after 20-or-so passengers board, they'll call group 2, even though there are plenty of 1s still queued up.
If they just followed th
Heap? (Score:5, Funny)
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n^2 airlines is complete trash though.
Old space joke (Score:4, Funny)
NASA was worried about the effects of hi-G on astronauts, so they hired some ivory-tower types to work on the problem.
About three months later, they came back to NASA and said, "We've solved it!"
The NASA manager in charge asked them to detail their solution.
The head professor said, "OK. First, assume a perfectly spherical astronaut...."
Not even close (Score:5, Funny)
That's probably the fastest way without resorting to powerful vacuums, but probably not terribly practical. The most practical way would be to build the plane with sufficient space in the aisle to avoid the "fat guy with the large carry-on that clearly doesn't fit into the overhead bin holding everyone up" problem, but they'd never go for that.
So, maybe a giant vacuum (for disembarking) combined with a giant cannon (for boarding) is the best way. We couldn't guarantee seat assignment this way, of course, but if we encased everyone in foam like the stuff in that car in Demolition Man, it should work with a minimum of injuries.
The problem with these researchers is they aren't thinking outside the box enough.
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I wasn't going to suggest a crane though. I thought you could put the seating area on overhead rails like factories have. Match those suckers up, and drive the passenger module into the plane at 3g with a linear motor.
The most practical though would probably be to take the weight hit and put doors every six rows. Redesign the jetway for multiple access points and load all at once. The exit rows can have fold-away seats so that space won't be wasted.
Only cheap-ass cars require
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There. i solved it. Thanks to your removable seat theory.
It is a perk to the bread and butter... (Score:3, Interesting)
Sure, they could max/min the time better... but... this is not really something that needs fixing.
Seating area (Score:3, Funny)
You require people to sit there in the correct place, and then you can easily pull people out of the temporary seating area in the correct order.
(You would have to make it big enough for any plane type that is going to be serviced at that gate, and then only seats that exist on the plane are used)
Or an even more interesting, but harder to do version: have the seats on the plane be on a "seat sled" that is swapped out, so that people board the sled before the plane is even there, and then you just swap sleds between the plane. You then let the arriving people depart. (Something about having most of the airframe be doors is probably the weakness of this idea). Or you could have more of the stuff be in the sled, like the entire pressurized compartment, including the galley and bathrooms. Call it the "people magazine [wikipedia.org]".
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(Something about having most of the airframe be doors is probably the weakness of this idea)
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No need for that.
Boeing 747F : http://airways.cz/images/novinky/china-airlines-747f-prague.jpg [airways.cz]
Antonov An-124 : http://www.loral.com/inthenews/iPSTAR_1-HiRes.jpg [loral.com]
Lockheed C-5 Galaxy : http://www.512aw.afrc.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/050611-F-9171L-135.jpg [af.mil]
I read this a week ago, and I think (Score:4, Insightful)
What is needed is training. Show people how it is supposed to be done the easiest way and most of them will comply.
Overhead space (Score:4, Insightful)
I think people would be more than willing to board by row, highest number first, if the airlines would just consistently enforce their rules about how much stuff you can carry aboard. In the winter, overhead space disappears instantly; people stow these huge coats up there along with their bags. And don't get me started about the jerks who throw their bags in the overhead at row 2 and then walk back through an empty plane to site in row 20. Half a dozen of these guys on the plane means everybody up front has to put their bags in the overhead towards the rear of the aircraft, then fight their way back up front through the embarking mob for seating, and THEN wait for everybody else to disembark to get to the rear of the aircraft to recover their bags....
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There is something else working in your favor when it comes to checking bags: Money.
I was once boarding a flight to New York when I was told, arbitrarily at the gate, that I would need to check my smallish bag because there was no more overhead cabin room. "B-but-!" I said. "I'm sorry sir, that's the way it is," they said, grabbing my bag and tying a tag around it. Away went my bag. "You can pick it up at your destination."
What didn't really dawn on me until much later was, how could she possibly know what my destination even WAS? With the hub-and-spoke system airlines use in the U.S., it was foolish of her to assume that my destination was New York. So while American Airlines (yes, let me repeat, the airline in question was American Airlines) promptly delivered my bag to the terminal at JFK airport, I had to leg it to catch my connecting flight to Paris, then to Florence, and then by cab to a remote villa in Tuscany -- to which location American Airlines was then forced to deliver my bag, individually, by driver.
Hey, Lady at the Terminal -- was it worth it? How was your performance report that month? And let's not forget that my bag was damaged when it arrived and my camera was missing, meaning I couldn't take any photos at the wedding I was attending
Seriously
ban children (Score:3, Insightful)
99% of the time when i travel the fuckheads that hold everything up are the soccer moms and their 2 kids and a pram bullshit. and then once your up in the air the little cunts scream and carry on. just to top it off they only take infants because it's free, only it's not free everyone else is paying for it.
the moment there is a no children airline, sign me up.
Acutally it is a good idea. (Score:4, Insightful)
But there is a good side to all that. If somebody starts an airline like that, it will keep ppl like you off of the flights that I am on with my children. BTW, that is not really a slam. So far, my kids have traveled great, but I have seen other kids not travel great and ppl just gripping left, right, and sideways about it. It gets old.
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You've obviously never travelled with an infant. Nobody in their right mind would want to travel with their infant unless absolutely necessary.
From the responses, the solution is obvious (Score:3)
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Unless you plan to either have enough money to not use either of those programs or have your own kids (whom you'd have to have first) pay enough in taxes to support you in your old age, be glad others are having kids...
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> and small children.
Which is not a bad idea at all, by the way. The more options that are actually different in the marketplace, the better off everyone is. The current trends toward completely homogeneous offerings from different service providers is quite unfortunate.
> it's the fact their retarded parents aren't in the least bit considerate
> of other people.
Agreed that this is a huge problem. Too bad there's no "child
The answer is this... (Score:4, Insightful)
A much faster approach (Score:3, Funny)
2) Allow males to find their own seats.
3) Fill in the gaps with the old and ugly.
4) Store any children in the baggage h.. errr... Special Fun House.
The QUICKEST way to board the plane... (Score:4, Funny)
Passenger Revolt! (Score:5, Insightful)
I mean really, next thing you know someone would suggest that all fliers take off their shoes, turn over nail clippers, and not carry shampoo or extra lap-top batteries. People would never put up with stuff like that.
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The answer to the "families board together" issue (Score:3, Interesting)
The result is that groups have to wait to board together, but they are likely to be slightly more coordinated in staying out of each other's way than three random individuals trying to fill a row in random order.
In Soviet Russia, order is mandated. (Score:5, Funny)
They had a very strictly enforced an order where people in the back of the jet got on last and got off first.
It seems that on at least some Aeroflot models, if you didn't have enough passengers in the front balancing the weight of those in the rear, the plane would tip backwards.
once again, the digital world at work (Score:5, Interesting)
How about loading it back to front, not by seat assignment (which requires human beings to line-up according to rules) but by the order in which those human beings walk onto the craft -- you know, like a freakin' bus. "Timmy, please move all the way to the back of the bus."
Then, instead of controlling the problem of humans within an aircraft each having seat assignments, you get to control the order with which people board the plane. That's a lot easier and amounts to using your airline's stupid reward points to 'reward' people for taking otherwise undesirable seats.
Especially when we're talking about short commuter flights, it's a short flight -- you don't care which seat you have. You do care how long you sit without moving -- you know, just like a bus.
Man, a bus, I talk like I know something. It's been well over ten years since I've been on a bus. But that's not the point. Well, it's not the point here. We're talking about airplanes. I use those on a regular basis. Although I've never described the experience quite like a neighbouring passenger who said she's "made a career out of strapping a plane to my ass". I miss her. She was an advertising or marketing or sales person for a company that I don't remember, on a flight I've forgotten, going somewhere I can't recall, sometime in the last ten years. Maybe fifteen. Maybe five.
Re:once again, the digital world at work (Score:4, Funny)
Kinda trailed-off near the end there, didn't you?
What is the real problem? (Score:5, Interesting)
And yet, my china flights always board much faster than my US flights. The last flight I took was a fully-loaded 747 from Shanghai to Beijing. It boarded in about 10 minutes. A similar flight in US I had a few months ago took almost 30 minutes to board. I think there is something to be said for highly motivated chaos.
On a related note, I've never been able to figure out exactly why going through security in the US takes so long. As near as I can tell, the China and US airports do the exact same screening - the liquids in the bag, laptops out, no shoes, etc. - plus a passport check - and still it is on average 3x faster. So strange...
- davevr
Re:What is the real problem? (Score:4, Funny)
welcome to LIFO Airlines (Score:4, Funny)
GIGO Airlines has offered to honor our coupons, but you don't want to fly with them if you want get where you really wanted to go
Bad Boarder Corral (Score:4, Funny)
I always thought it would be great to have sort of a "bad boarder" or detention area to corral people off to the side of the gate that tried boarding at the wrong time. Just a nice little waiting area that they direct you to stand in and wait. And then once the entire plane has boarded you and all your non-boarding in time friends can join. And then everyone could give them a nice Nelson-style "Hah hah" laugh as they walked bye.
Is this really Slashdot? What about technology? (Score:5, Interesting)
Something I'd like to see is boarding passes as devices. You check in, and you get a token, a gadget, which has a little battery, a little display, some simple flashing lights, and wifi connectivity to the airport system.
So you need to get through security, and you're a bit late, and you have no idea who in front of you is more late than you, or if it's ok to skip the line. But if the airport has these boarding passes, you can build in a priority tracking system. Is your boarding pass blinking green? If so, skip the line to security. Is it not blinking? Fuck off, stand in line like everyone else. Big signs at security saying that you should let people through with blinking tokens.
Ok, you didn't get a gate number at check-in, so you have to stand around looking at the monitors in the airport. You can't go anywhere else, because the gate you need to be at might be far away, so no dawdling. If the boarding passes are connected, they can be updated in real-time, make a little beep, and display your gate on itself.
Also, passengers that are late or forgot their departure time and hold up the flight (graaoorrrgghh!!) could have their boarding pass remind them about where they should be. Make the pass beep and blink more, the more late the passenger is. No more relying on people listening to the speakers, which they don't.
Finally, boarding. So, making people board in the right order is hard. With a little blinkenlights it'll be easier. Is your pass blinking green? Then go board. Is it red? Fuck off, wait until your turn. No more big groups of boarding (passengers on row 44 to 28, please board, bla bla bla), you can individually signal each passenger that he or she should board, making sure to fill the plane up from the rear.
Re: (Score:3, Interesting)
To translate a very good but somewhat too diplomatic reply...
Some passengers can lift a bag into the overheads and some can't.
Some passengers think that "one carry-on bag up to 20 pounds" means "three carry-on bags, 60 pounds each."
Some passengers are children. Some passengers are infants.
Some parents do very well controlling their children. Others allow theirs to run around the aisle while everyone is trying to board.
Some passengers are drunk.
And some passengers delay the flight by sitting in the bar blissfully ignoring all the increasingly irritated pages from the gate agents.
Some passengers are in groups trying to sit together. Some passengers are dumb as a box of rocks.
These are redundant, especially on the sort of short flights