Coffee A Health Drink? 404
Yocto Yotta wrote to mention an article from The Independent which would seem to indicate that coffee has numerous health benefits, and could be construed to be a 'health drink'. From the article: "'A study has found that coffee contributes more antioxidants - which have been linked with fighting heart disease and cancer - to the diet than cranberries, apples or tomatoes...[antioxidants in coffee] have been linked to a number of health benefits, including protection against heart disease and cancer. Studies have associated coffee drinking with a reduced risk of liver and colon cancer, type two diabetes, and Parkinson's disease.'"
That explains... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:That explains... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:That explains... (Score:5, Funny)
Well, let's face it, if wasn't for the shakes, they wouldn't be getting any exercise at all.
Re:That explains... (Score:4, Funny)
That explains... (Score:5, Funny)
Yellow Teeth (Score:5, Funny)
Not for us anymore (Score:5, Funny)
Ob-dilbert (Score:4, Funny)
See (Score:5, Funny)
Coffee drinkers... (Score:4, Funny)
Didn't see that coming (Score:4, Funny)
Once again, deceived by pseudo-science. (Score:3, Funny)
Slashdot editors have often been deceived by pseudo-science. One Slashdot story was about a new method of data compression [slashdot.org] that could compress data much more than other compression methods. Of course, it later was found to be completely false.
Some coffee company P.R. person was successful [google.com] in making this study of little importance into a major news story.
--
Faith-based lying? Faith-based killing?
Re:Once again, deceived by pseudo-science. (Score:3, Informative)
Wow! Someone [slashdot.org] found some other pseudo-science: Dark chocolate [google.com] is healthy.
P.R. agencies are often very successful at fraud.
--
If you support dishonesty [doonesbury.com] and violence [startribune.com], don't say you are Christian.
Re:That explains... (Score:3, Insightful)
Yellow Teeth (Score:5, Funny)
As if us Slashdotters need any additional help with that
Re:Yellow Teeth (Score:5, Informative)
you should be althrough worried for the calcium levels that you affect with drinking coffee. in many studies coffee has been proved to be responsible for increasing calcium extraction from human body, therefor your teeth and bones will get weaker. this seems to be an individual dependant case however, not everybody is affected in the same range.
see this link
http://www.cosic.org/coffee-and-health/bone-healt
drinking enough milk will compensate this anyway, so if you are a real caffeine addict, just make sure you drink enough milk to keep the bones&teeth healthy and wash your teeth enough to keep em white. this way you wont break your bones while raising the coffe cup and wont need to go to dentist after your cup has accidently collided with your teeth.
i love coffee, and there is nothing that keeps me from drinking it. concidering the chances that *vogon* ships may be out here by next thursday doesnt make really worried about the fact that my teeth may get yellow. (i dont like thursdays, seriously i dont like them!)
ps. people who drink caffeine coffee should have their head examined.
Re:Yellow Teeth (Score:2, Informative)
ps. people who drink caffeine **FREE** coffee should have their head examined.
my mistake, (i even used preview this time, but didnt notice the missing word) sry
Re:Yellow Teeth (Score:5, Informative)
So this article isn't without a bit of irony
Anyway the other day I was going on 3 hours of sleep so I decided to make myself a cup a coffee and I became curious as to the calorie content of a cup of black coffee, assuming there are any calories in black coffee. I came across this page:
http://www.dietbites.com/CalorieIndexDrinks.html [dietbites.com]
I'm not sure how reliable it is... but it claims that coffee renders Vitamin B inactive. Not being a nutritionalist or a doctor I did a bit of research on what the B vitamins are good for and found out that they're pretty essential.
According to this page: http://home.howstuffworks.com/vitamin-b.htm [howstuffworks.com]
"The B-complex vitamins are actually a group of eight vitamins, which include thiamine (B1), riboflavin (B2), niacin (B3), pyridoxine (B6), folic acid (B9), cyanocobalamin (B12), pantothenic acid and biotin. These vitamins are essential for:
* The breakdown of carbohydrates into glucose (this provides energy for the body)
* The breakdown of fats and proteins (which aids the normal functioning of the nervous system)
* Muscle tone in the stomach and intestinal tract
* Skin
* Hair
* Eyes
* Mouth
* Liver"
So
Re:Yellow Teeth (Score:3, Funny)
Not for us anymore (Score:4, Funny)
Ob-dilbert (Score:5, Funny)
See (Score:5, Funny)
Coffee drinkers... (Score:4, Funny)
Didn't see that coming (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Didn't see that coming (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Didn't see that coming (Score:3, Informative)
Actually, according dictionary.reference.com [reference.com] expresso is "Variant of espresso.". So maybe it was originally a mistake (probably in several languages), but it seems to have been accepted, at least in English.
Re:Didn't see that coming (Score:3, Informative)
Hmmmm...It All Makes Sense Now (Score:3, Funny)
I knew there was a reason that coffee was so goddamn expensive !!
Re:Hmmmm...It All Makes Sense Now (Score:2, Funny)
Great, just great! (Score:3, Insightful)
the worst are always good for you in some ways. (Score:5, Interesting)
Alzheimer's delayed by cigarettes [medicalnewstoday.com]
Re:the worst are always good for you in some ways. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:the worst are always good for you in some ways. (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:the worst are always good for you in some ways. (Score:4, Informative)
That is indeed a very strong correlation. It either means that obesity (or at least a lifestyle which leads to obesity) causes diabetes (type II anyways) or that diabetes contributes to obesity. Actually I wouldn't doubt that there is a catch 22 type situation where diabetes can contribute to a person growing overweight. The blood sugar spikes and lack of hormonal control would A)encourage overeating by signaling that the body is hungry earlier, and craving sweet foods which cause blood sugar jumps. B)disuade exercise by making it more difficult to exercise due to lack of control of the sugars which fuel muscles. C)insulin physically controls how fat is burnt in the body. Insulin in the blood directs the body to store sugar as fat, lack of insulin allows fat to be burned as energy.
My guess is that it actually ends up being a catch-22 type situation. People who eat sugary foods and don't exercise regularly put themselves at a higher disposition for pre-diabetes (a medically accepted state where one's insulin is not functioning quite right.) and being in pre-diabetes can help lead to physical addictions to sugars and eating.
Re:the worst are always good for you in some ways. (Score:3, Insightful)
With regard to automobiles, of course, we do things the other way around, deprecating the risks and exagerating the benefits, which are mostly imagined in the first place.
KFG
Opposites Distract. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Opposites Distract. (Score:4, Informative)
Moderation (Score:5, Insightful)
Well, study showed the same about alcohol.
It doesn't mean getting drunk every day is a healthy thing to do, as is maintaining a caffeïne addiction. Moderation in things is key I believe.
I just know that quitting the whole coffee-addiction had benefits for me personally.
Comment removed (Score:4, Insightful)
One word (Score:5, Funny)
Chafing.
Er...VD? (Score:2)
Re:Two Letters (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Moderation (Score:2)
Don't forget that the above encompasses Moderation itself.
Re:Moderation (Score:2)
Moderation in EVERYTHING is key
A pretty tautology. Remember this is Slashdot.
Re:Moderation (Score:2)
The funny thing is that given the opportunity, many animals have been known to go on drunken fruit binges.
A disconnect (Score:2, Insightful)
From the article:
But Professor Vinson urged moderation, recommending that people should drink only one or two cups of coffee per day.
A spokesman for the British Coffee Association said: "This study reconfirms the fact that moderate coffee consumption of four to five cups a day not only is perfectly safe but may confer health benefits."
A disconnect between science and industry if I ever I saw.
hhm.. (Score:2, Funny)
Oh great... (Score:2)
Crunch time programmers sickly as ever (Score:5, Insightful)
"A study has found that coffee contributes more antioxidants - which have been linked with fighting heart disease and cancer - to the diet than cranberries, apples or tomatoes."
The key bit here is "to the diet". This doesn't make coffee a health food, it means the collective we don't eat enough of the healthy stuff. Yet another misrepresentation of research and thanks to Slashdot for picking it up. I eagerly await the modded funny posts.
Re:Crunch time programmers sickly as ever (Score:2)
Take with a pinch of cocoa (Score:5, Insightful)
Compared to a lot of the "alcohol is good for you" hype that I've seen, the article is actually pretty balanced. Still, this kind of thing makes me uncomfortable.
Best antioxidants ! Don't trust vitamins ! (Score:5, Informative)
Oh yeah , Vitamins may not work and make corporations rich.
http://www.diet-blog.com/archives/2005/08/05/do_v
List of most powerful antioxidant fruit and vegetable.
http://www.mdsupport.org/library/antiox.html [mdsupport.org]
http://my.webmd.com/content/Article/104/107639.ht
http://altmedicine.about.com/cs/supplements/a/ant
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5489179/ [msn.com]
Health drink? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Health drink? (Score:2)
Another interpretation of that would be that headaches, sweating, and drowsiness are signs that you aren't getting enough coffee!!!
Myself, I could count the cups of coffee i've drunk in my life (30 years of it) on one hand. I've seen too many people try to give it up to want to drink it regularly, and i'm highly strung enough as it is. Plus, if I really need it, one can of
Re:Health drink? (Score:2, Funny)
KFG
Re:Health drink? (Score:5, Interesting)
No, it cannot. "Toxin" has a precise definition, and it doesn't mean "anything that might cause negative effects in some situation". Merriam-Webster defines it as a poisonous substance that is a specific product of the metabolic activities of a living organism and is usually very unstable, notably toxic when introduced into the tissues, and typically capable of inducing antibody formation.
Caffeine is a drug, and an addictive one at that, but it isn't poisonous. Please stop watering down our language.
Re:Health drink? (Score:5, Funny)
Did I mention irritability? Intensifies feelings of anxiety? Nitpicking?
Caffeine is an insect poison. (Score:3, Informative)
Caffeine is an alkaloid. Alkaloids were invented by plants to slow being eaten by insects. Caffeine does not kill insects, it just prevents them from eating much of the plant. Not all poisons kill.
Re:Health drink? (Score:3, Informative)
BTW: other stuff that's relatively harmless to us but poisonous to other animals: chocolate for dogs, aspirin for cats, and the fumes from teflon frying pans for many types of birds.
(acetaminophen/paracetamol/tylenol is very toxic for cats, but IMO I wouldn't say it's harmless to humans).
Re:Health drink? (Score:2, Insightful)
Well, of course withdrawing water will give you headaches, drowsiness and even hallucinations. So let's cut down on that as well.
Seriously, point is well taken, but you need to binge on coffee at a pretty pathological level to really get adverse physical effects. It's pretty benign as drugs go.
Re:Health drink? (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Health drink? (Score:5, Interesting)
I'm not sure where you're getting your numbers from, but the oral LD50 of caffeine is about 200mg/kg. An espresso contains about 80-100mg, so a person could theoretically drink 2x(body weight in kg) shots of espresso and still have a 50% chance of surviving.
Re:Health drink? (Score:3, Informative)
I forgive you...
To simplify calculations, we'll say espresso contains 100mg/cup of the finest Colombian caffiene, and an average, slightly corpulent Slashdot male weighs in at about 80kg. The LD50 of our stimulant of choice is 200mg/kg, or two cups for every single one of those 80kg's of twitching, testosterone fuelled muscle and lard.
That means our hypothetical Slashdottian hero could drink 160 of those dinky little cups of coffee and have a fair expectation of livin
So far so good (Score:4, Funny)
Re:So far so good (Score:2)
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=dark+chocola
Re:So far so good (Score:2)
Well, chocolate is good for your health. However, cocoa fat is probably not. It's an extremely hazardous kind of vegetable fat, which is really bad for your heart. Sugar is probably not what you need either. But very, very black chocolate (>80 %) is actually very healthy.
Why you need the wafer bars is beyond me. They're high-carb, non-protein, non-fiber, cheap-ass pieces of mostly air. They don't contribute much to a healthy diet.
And making chocolate a cornerstone of a diet is not a good idea. You're
Unbiased Studies (Score:2)
It's good to know that such great work comes from studies funded by such unbiased groups as the American Cocoa Research Institute.
Perhaps similar studies funded by Hustler and Blueboy might find benefits in swallowing versus spitting?
I had to switch to tea (Score:3, Funny)
Well that's great (Score:2)
... because I drink a hell of alot of it.
reminds me of chocolate (Score:3, Interesting)
except that chocolate, like coffee, is consumed with enough sugar and dairy to counteract any benefits you might be getting and then some
so bring on the coffee!
not so attractive anymore, eh?
Re:reminds me of chocolate (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:reminds me of chocolate (Score:2)
You mean the way I've been drinking it for over 10 years? Sounds good to me!
Re:reminds me of chocolate (Score:2)
Yes, coffee has anti-oxidants (Score:5, Informative)
Don't wanna give up caffeine? No problem. Still want to reduce your risk of cancer, have some real food. Steam some kale, have an apple, some berries(Not Apple-Berry Poptarts, not the same thing). Just add a few veggies or fruits to your daily food intake and you'll be a lot better for it. Cut something out, or reduce, and you'll be even better. Don't have to give up coffee/caffeine, but it isn't some miracle health food, and don't think of it as such.
Re:Yes, coffee has anti-oxidants (Score:3, Insightful)
Considering the amount of processing and chemicals they run through the bean to get the caffeine out, it is hardly a healthier substitute.
Having a food in moderation is not going to have a detrimental effect. Having a cup of coffee in the morning isnt going to give you a heart attack. Having 20 cups is not going to benefit you when your heart is pumping at twice the rate.
The key to personal health is moderation. In all forms. That includes exercise as well as eating.
Re:Yes, coffee has anti-oxidants (Score:2)
And there are a few methods of getting a natural decaf or at least a lower or no chemical decaf. But considering how many chemicals are in regular coffee anyways, decaf isn't really increasing that amount by much(excluding organic). But you'll avoid the pro-inflammatory effects with decaf.
Re:Yes, coffee has anti-oxidants (Score:2)
sorry i misunderstood.
Re:Yes, coffee has anti-oxidants (Score:2)
One of the surprises was that decaffienated coffee is not "No caffiene coffee", it's merely "Reduced caffiene coffee", in other words they cant remove all of it so you arent giving up caffiene by drinking it.
There may be a coffee industry Slashdotter along in a minute to give chapter and verse but the other thing I learned was that the method of caffiene extraction differs
Re:Yes, coffee has anti-oxidants (Score:3, Insightful)
Sure, somethings are bad for you, but caffeine ain't one of them. After extensive research very few and minor side effects have been found for caffeine, and pro-inflammatory isn't one of them.
Puritans like to believe that if something feels good then it has to be bad for you. Be it sex, coffee, or just even a hearty dance have all been at some point condemned by puritanical societies who cannot possibly believe that certain things are fun and harmless at the same time.
Also in the news today.... (Score:2, Funny)
Too bad it's a diarrhetic. (Score:2, Interesting)
Dehydration causes cancer?? I think not. (Score:4, Informative)
I'd like to see some documentation for that statement that you seemed to pull out from under your tin-foil hat. I have never heard ANY evidence to even remotely suggest that dehydration causes cancer. Honestly, show me even one article froma reputable scientific journal, and I will deign to argue this point with you, otherwise you are wasting our time with nonsensical ideas, like pyramid power and homeopathy.
I'm fairly certain that I'm right- I know the literature, since I am an oncology surgeon.
Re:Too bad it's a diarrhetic. (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Too bad it's a diarrhetic. (Score:3)
Re:Too bad it's a diarrhetic. (Score:4, Interesting)
Do you have any links to any studies which suggest it as a foremost cause. As right now to me it doesn't appear to be that logical an assertion , but i would be very interested in being shown evidence to the contrary
That explains why (Score:2, Interesting)
mmmmmmm
Re:That explains why (Score:2)
I rather thought that it was because coffee was a semi-instent beverage that can be bought for a few dollars a pound for cafeteria grade crap where one pound can provide 600 to 1000oz of liquid (4.6gal to 7.8gal). Assuming a standard hospital ration of coffee is about 4oz that's 150 to 250
i can't wait... (Score:2, Funny)
in related news (Score:3, Funny)
so welcome to slashbucks
cappuccino for nerds. macchiato that matters.
Anti-oxidants do no such thing (Score:3, Interesting)
In fact, it essentially proves that anti-oxidants either provide no benefit, or are bad for you.
Vitamin E and beta-carotene are both quite potent anti-oxidants (free radical scavengers.) Others are more or less potent, but Vitamin E and BC are both potent enough that you would see an effect if there is one.
Vitamin E has demonstrably no benefit in fighting heart disease. [nih.gov] But thanks for playing!
Beta Carotene actually makes lung cancer appreciably *more* lethal - there is a good chance that this is because it is an anti-oxidant, and that pro-oxidants fight cancer.
READ THIS REVIEW BEFORE YOU ARGUE WITH ME:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd
The evidence that bleeding yourself with leeches is actually good for you is *far* more compelling than anything that has ever been delivered for anti-oxidants.
Antioxident quantity not valid for health benefits (Score:3, Informative)
For example, while coffee and tea do have antioxidents in them, you'd have to drink dozens of gallons to equal what you get from a little bit of oregano (one of the foods with the highest antioxidant contant,far higher than blueberries). In fact, there are many many foods that have giant doses of antioxidents in them. If you look at your actual overall diet, it is unlikely that coffee would ever be a significant source of antioxidents. And if in fact it is, and you are concerned about antioxidents in your diet, you'd do better to add a higher source into your diets.
For example, cherries, blueberries, dried plums, artichokes, russet potatoes, red cabbage, walnuts, pecans, hazelnuts, cinnamon, and cloves.
Re:Antioxident quantity not valid for health benef (Score:2, Informative)
Thank you Starbucks PR (Score:2)
Coffee is healthy? Faulty argument! (Score:2)
I lot of our daily consumptions have a good and a bad side. Just because coffee appears to have a good amount of antioxidants, it still has a lot of negative side effect. This invalidates the articles claim that coffee might be used as a health drink.
It is not logical to conclude, that just because an ingredient has some good effects its healthy to
High Consumption Rate (Score:4, Funny)
Whoa, and I thought 4-5 cups a day was pushing it.
Perspective - the true price of coffee (Score:5, Interesting)
In the process of getting over it I learned that a massive number of people suffer ( silently ) in North America and the UK from chronic insomnia. I don't mean an occasional night without sleep that is slept off the next day, but chronic troubles getting and staying asleep.
A large number of reasons are lifestyle related. Caffeine use, being over-weight, bad sleep habits, and the way many of us live our lives.
As the article for this thread shows a lot of Americans like to drink a lot of coffee.
Americans also take in a significant amount of "hidden" caffeine through iced tea beverages, chocolates, cocoa, soft drinks ( 2 sodas == 1 cup of coffee ) and other drinks. Often Americans will consume these significant caffeine sources at later times in the day when they would not dare to have coffee or hot tea.
Coffee, on a regular basis, over years is also very hard on the human stomach and contributes to an early decline in digestive power which leads to a tougher time getting the nutrients a human body needs.
It is also a very environmentally destructive crop, severely depleting the soil where it is grown. A friend told me that South American farmers call it the "Vampire Crop".
If you want a concentrated source of antioxidants without caffeine try taking a tablespoon of organic ( to avoid getting pesticide residues ) citrus zest ( finely grated peel - the part of the peel with the color ) a week:
http://www.prevention.com/article/0,5778,s1-3-71-1 08-5616-1,00.html [prevention.com]?
Fresh aromatic herbs area also a good source of concentrated antioxidants and cancer fighters. Use basil. It is cheap in season. It is basically a weed, is easily grown in a garden or in a pot in an apartment.
Eating cruciferous vegetables like the broccoli in Chinese food ( yay! ) will give you plenty of antioxidants. Other cruciferous vegetables that help are cabbage, collards, kale, mustard greens etc.
If you have regular trouble sleeping either with falling asleep, staying asleep, spontaneously getting up early, or not feeling rested see either a neurologist or a pulmonologist to rule out physical causes. Sleep apena is the number one physical cause and is mostly due to the weight problem Oceania is experiencing. People accumulate so much excess weight that some of it ends up in the throat region with the result of tissue sagging downwards while they sleep temporarily blocking their flow of air. The flow is unblocked with the brain forcing a brief awakening, often many times a night, often without the person knowing. Being overweight is not the only cause of sleep apena, but it accounts for the vast majority of cases.
The methods used to treat sleep apena are not pleasant. Avoid surgery. It has been found to only be 25% effective. However, losing weight can be very effective from individual to individual.
Like I wrote earlier most of sleeplessness is lifestyle related.
In other areas of our lives bad habits and stress are keeping many, many people awake.
Only use sleep medications in the short term.
Many are addictive and many ( not all ) only provide benefits for several weeks, this is true even for many of the prescription drugs.
Cognitive therapy has proven to be more effective than drugs in managing insomnia over the long term. It is cheap, shows results quickly and can be often be done on one's own after a little help.
One of the best books about improving sleep, getting rid of insomnia and getting off of medication for sleep was written by a Harvard psychologist who developed and studied his program over the course 10 years.
It combines the most effective( and prove
As for the claims about colon cancer... (Score:3, Interesting)
It makes one wonder if many of these other claims can't be disregarded as well. Perhaps the fact that you can drink lots of coffee simply means you have a robust constitution that can tolerate more abuse. It doesn't mean you should go ahead and abuse it.
It is very easy to show statistical correlation, but not nearly so easy to show causation. They aren't one in the same.
Coffee is an interesting drug. . . (Score:3, Interesting)
The only other drug like this generally available is Nicotine. Sharpens you up, makes your thinking clearer and doesn't impair judgement.
The first government in the world to begin a public perception campaign to prevent the use of Nicotine? Why, that would be the Nazi Party. Why would they not want their populace thinking clearly, I wonder. . ?
Personally, I don't use either drug. I've never smoked or felt the need to. (It's pretty hard to find non-corporate tobacco these days. No big surprise there. If you can't stop people from smoking, then you'd better make sure the stuff they're smoking contains a ton of extra poisons in order to off-set any advantages.)
--And I have found recently that caffeine has changed how it affects me so I've stopped drinking it for the time being. I miss coffee, but in the last year especially, I've found I've gained access to a lot of new emotional bandwidth, (I don't really know how else to describe it; being a guy is getting complicated these days as the human race continues rapidly to wake up in interesting ways!), and I seem to need to work on managing this before I can go adding extra octane to my brain.
Without the coffee, I find I'm much more steady. Not quite my old self, but definitely better. Heck, with the java, I felt like I was pregnant or something. Sheesh!
-FL
Re:Hmm... (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Hmm... (Score:2, Funny)
Yes you do.
Re:Brewing (Score:2)
"Brewing your pot as you type that that you are Brewing your pot as you type" would be more appropriate - since your post didn't contain anything else.
Re:Stereotype (Score:5, Insightful)
Just like opium
Come off it, you fucking hippie. Just because it grows out of the ground doesn't make it not bad for you.
L
Re:Stereotype (Score:4, Insightful)
I didn't know there actually is people who believe that! I always thought it was a joke.
Mr. Cash202... Not everything which is naturally grown, is good for you. Most narcotic substances, for instance, are naturally grown. Alcohol, too. And formic acid (HCOOH). And amanita muscarita (also known as toadstool). Fat, my friend, is also grown naturally, but shouldn't be considered a very good diet.
Your body doesn't know whether a substance is natural or chemical. All chemical substances are natural as well - they're only made natural in a laboratory. They aren't supernatural. Your body is not tuned to eat every substance "out there".
Natural != Healthy && Good; (Score:3, Insightful)
Curare [wikipedia.org] is also a naturally grown product, and it's influence on your body is paralysis, leading to death as you no longer breathe.
I'll let you decide if that influence is good or bad... personally, I'm thinking it ain't great.
Re:Stereotype (Score:2)
1. reporters have to come up with a catchy headline,
2. people only read the headlines.
Parkinson's disease (Score:2)
Re:Most Studies are Junk (Score:4, Insightful)
If your conclusion (95% genetics) was right, why has life expectancy for some peoples in history been so low that being 40 years old was considered a venerable age? Do you really think human genes have changed that quickly?