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JSetiTracker 1.0.4b is now available 53

Posted by Roblimo from the it's-not-just-useful-but-pretty-too dept.
jsrbirch writes "JSetiTracker, a 100% Pure Java add-on client for the SETI@home software is available now for preview. Features include: Logging of WU's; SkyMap; Coordinate Tracker(New); Dynamically generated image from SkyView that tracks your WU progress across the sky; Vital Stats(CPU, Power, Gaussian). Check it out! "
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  • Java w/o Swing, StarMap Feature (Please!) (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward
    The frontend looks very nice! -

    I just wish that he hadn't used the JFC/Swing stuff. The Swing package is _very_ slow on older systems (e.g. P133, PPC 601, etc.) It looks like he's not really making use of the Swing widgets anyway, so might as well just use the standard AWT.

    Maybe one of the other GUI frontends (TkSeti?) could add the star chart / plot of all workunits done against the sky? This is the feature that looked most interesting to me from the Java version. (I don't think TkSeti currently has this feature, does it?)

  • Fake mail from Linus (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward
    Forwarded from the linux.kernel list:

    Just a heads-up: somebody is sending out fake emails that claim to be from
    me, and that have me endorsing the Java client for Seti@Home.

    The reason I know somebody is faking emails is that I got a bounce from
    one of them.

    If somebody on the kernel list gets a message that claims to be from
    "Linus Torvalds " with a subject line of
    "Seti@Home user interface", it is fake.

    I'd like to see the full headers from such a message, to see if it shows
    where it is really originating from: the bounced message does not contain
    the original headers..

    I assume it is a mass-posting trying to market Seti@Home or the particular
    client in question, and I'm not all that amused.

    Linus

    PS. Although I have to admit that the first line brought a grin: "Being
    the awesome Linux stud that I am.."
  • OK, right now when I look at the comments there are 6 at the top level. 4 are marked down, and say Troll. The moderators are going insane with the need to moderate every post there is. Also some people cannot take a joke, and it seems almost any joke these days is marked Troll or Flamebait. Give me a break.


    If this post is moderated down oh well.

  • I remember this, but the way I remember was a little different. I believe I learned about it in some museum in Canada(Montreal or Toronto, I don't known which).

    Anyway, what I remember is that they had the subjects in one room, and the people who thought they were giving a shock in another. The subjects would be asked questions, and if they answered incorrectly, they'd be shocked(or so the shockers thought). And there would be people there that told them to keep shocking no matter what. And I was all or almost all the people kept shocking the subjects even after they were believed to be unconsious or dead(IIRC, they'd ask a question, and the subject wouldn't answer, so they'd shock 'em).

    That is really scary to think about.
  • The seti client alone uses 16 megs of memory. Now there's a Java application which requires 20 megs for the JVM. On a dual processor you'll want to run two in parallel which adds another 16 megs. By that time a $70 128 Meg SDRAM isn't so big anymore. I'll stick to tkseti.

  • I thought it was somewhat interesting until I found out there wasn't any source. Rather than security through obscurity, seti@home should have come up with a way of verifying results. Then we'd get something more out there than boring front-ends and closed source.

    If they are allowing select people access to the code, somebody should make a real screensaver for Linux too. A hack for xscreensaver would do, with a starfield and some dancing aliens.

  • I trust the Seti organization, and I have downloaded and run their client for some time now.
    That's not "their" client, SETI@Home is an independent project
  • It's rather well explain ed [berkeley.edu] on the SETI@Home web site, just look more closely.
  • As far as I'm concerned, it doesnt matter. This is neat-o software. Chances are if i saw it on freshmeat, I would have passed it over. if software gets mentioned here, its worth taking a flyby to look at.
  • He didn't say "some people have too much freedom", he said "there ought to be limits on freedom". If you think about it, that is much worse... Click here [gwbush.com] for the full story, as it was printed in the Dallas Morning News back in May.

    Trust no one... Especially if they're trying to get elected.

    (offtopic, I know, but in answer to a direct question...)

  • And why did his plane crash? ALIENS! Bingo, we got 'em! ;)
  • Ooo, this together with the soon-to-be ubiquitous availability of the JVM for palmtops, plus wireless connectivity means... Yes ! Soon we can donate to worthy causes the idle CPU cycles of our PDAs as well. Another great step forward in conspicuous power consumption ! (What's that you say ? Depleting the batteries ? If you're a true geek your Palm runs on rechargeables and stays docked all the time anyway - it's not as if you were leaving home that often...)
  • Most people in that experiment didn't want to shock people. They just said "Am I really supposed to be doing this? Is this safe?" and the researcher on hand would nod. They also did a variant where the researcher was only over an intercom. It didn't work nearly as well. The point was that people would do drastic things if they thought they were being ordered to or could blame someone else (it's been used to justify the actions of WWII Germans, for better or worse). It had nothing to do with sadism. No one enjoyed it, and many people from that experiment suffered severe trauma.
  • *Still* no client for my Linux/PPC machine. Ever hear "build it and they will come?" OPEN SOURCE AND WE WILL PORT! Who gives a rat's ass if there's a pretty java client? The sum_bitch could be rendering Episode II for all we know. I ain't havin' it! *grumble*
  • So is SlashDot and the rest of the Internet, but here we are. Then there's Quake, C++, Linux, the signals shooting through our neurons as we sleep...

  • The exhibit of which you speak is at the Ontario Science Centre in Toronto. It tells the story of these experiments.
  • How about right now? I trust the Seti organization, and I have downloaded and run their client for some time now. But who is this? Does anyone know? Can any reputable third party verify that this isn't malicious code? For that matter, can anyone verify that it is correct?? No offense intended for the creator, I happen to really like the idea of what you're doing. But I don't know ya, and I don't trust ya. :^)
  • ... a cool graphic to make up for the not-windows versions not having the screen saver! Gotta try this.

  • here we go again...

    sure, its a waste - its all relative to what you consider 'useful'. I think its interesting and that's why I run it. I'm sure there's a non-zero probablility of finding something, then again I'm sure there is also a non-zero probablility that OJ didn't do it. :-)

    Must we go through this entire discussion of seti vs rc5 vs something else more useful yet again?

    Isn't re-hashing these stale arguments a waste of cpu/bandwidth/time also?

  • Running this in java will take away valuable alien search'in cpu cycles.
  • not as much as turning off your computer
  • its funny, how a valid argument against Java gets moderated down. While this doesn't.

  • Yeah, but like the graphical version for windows, it's probably going to run really slow. It used to take me 30 hours to process one data unit; now that I've switched to the graphicless one, it takes about 10. I'd imagine that this would run even slower, since it looks like it's doing more stuff, AND it's written in Java...

    -ElJefe

  • ... do you think it will be until people start complaing that the source isn't available?

    -ElJefe

  • It's written with the command line version "in mind". Meaning, I assume, that it just polls the output from the command line version (for windows, whatever). It doesn't do any crunching itself! That's the backend's responsibility.

    If you want to take a peek at what's going on you just launch this frontend.

    I didn't switch to the command line version because I couldn't figure out a way to make the window disappear or use it as a service. If using the command line version TRIPLES speed, I might reconsider.
  • Enough with the Java bashing already!!
    This is not doing the number crunching!!
    The Seti client is!!

    (oh, yeah, by the way, Java is fast becoming the de facto standard in supercomputing and number crunching, anyway...the issue is not speed anymore, but accuracy)
  • Right...like anybody is going to computer fast fouriers by hand and compare to the client output...who cares...they will know if they are getting bad data and then they will fix their own client

    I must reiterate for those who are confused that the Java "client" is merely a frontend for the ACTUAL Seti command-line client. It does not crunching or sending of data. I would like to know where they pull the starmap from though.
  • This is nice, but are there any plans to open-source it? I would really like to clean up that gui.

    Also, somebody said "many other clients". Are there many other frontends, and does anybody have links?
  • Well, I actually haven't ever entered in that argument...so let me just say my piece here.

    Yes, Seti is a slim, almost-zero, non-zero chance. Yet there is still the chance, and because the event would be so stupendous, the chance is weighted.

    As far as I know cracking RC5 is no mystery. We learn nothing. We know it CAN be done. So we just do it. There is no point. It's like two children competing to count higher than each other. * The value of RC5 cracking is that the show of power keeps pressure on governments and other agencies, and the field cryptography in general. *

    When we crack RC5 I get no return. Nothing. Yay. If we find an alien civilization however that is a tremendous return.

    Yes, I accept that the cycles I put into SETI will *most probably* result in nothing. However I also KNOW that the cycles I put into RC5 WILL amount to nothing. It's just my choice. Looking for aliens makes me feel good. For some, cracking big strings of numbers does the same. If anything, we are at least giving scientists some work (I don't think they could possibly analyze all this junk themselves).

    If RC5 was some big NP incomplete problem of great human significance, I'd throw all I have at it.
  • Here are some:

    http://ude.org/jan/perlseti/
    http://www.nccn.net/~gc_kumon/xseti/
    http://www.sackheads.org/setiherder/
    ftp://ftp.coldbird.com/pub/linux/TkSeti
    http://www.guildsoftware.com/setiview.html
    http://www.mobius-soft.com/htmlperlseti.htm
    http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~macdonal/tkseti/tkseti.ht ml

  • As a possible clue to the trustworthiness of the source, please note that the Web site for this software is operating from 24.3.47.214, which is cc796689-b.hwrd1.md.home.com. That is an @Home cable connection and Web servers are specifically prohibited by the @Home AUP. It is very likely that the @Home abuse team will be shutting the site down.

    I have a selfish interest here: my own system is also in hwrd1.md.home.com. The bandwidth being used by this Web server may have an impact on my own system's performance. Certainly his abuse of the @Home AUP is the type of thing being used by @Home to justify capping the bandwith of all their customers.
  • http://www.roving-mouse.com/setiathome/
    has more of the statistics you seem to be wanting.

  • Re:hmm (Score:1)

    by rwg ( 59312 )
    Must we go through this entire discussion of seti vs rc5 vs something else more useful yet again?

    Isn't re-hashing these stale arguments a waste of cpu/bandwidth/time also?

    I don't really care what people do with their computers (unless it affects me or my computer), but it scares me to think of all the people now leaving their computers on all the time just to run the RC5 client, SETI client, Mersenne prime client, etc.

    Running it on a machine that stays up 24/7 anyway? Hey, great, all the power to ya.

    Running it on your home computer that normally gets one hour of use a day? Blah... Turn that thing off when you're not using it and save some money on your electric bill.

  • It's nice to see all these graphical representations of SETI, but to the ordinary person, these frequencies, waves, gaussians(sp?), spikes, etc etc etc mean little. I'm more interested in project stats rather than an analysis of the data being crunched. One thing I especially like about rc5 is the amount of information about the project available. This is the sort of stuff I understand.

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