Blue Origin Sends All-Female Crew To Edge of Space in Historic Flight (npr.org) 131
Blue Origin's New Shepard completed its 31st mission Monday morning, carrying the first all-female crew to space since Soviet cosmonaut Valentina Tereshkova's 1963 solo flight. The NS-31 mission lifted off from West Texas at 9:30 a.m. EDT, with hundreds of thousands watching via livestream as the autonomous vehicle crossed the Karman line 62 miles above Earth.
The 10-minute suborbital journey carried six passengers: journalist and Bezos' fiancee Lauren SÃnchez, former NASA scientist Aisha Bowe, bioastronautics researcher Amanda Nguyen, CBS journalist Gayle King, pop star Katy Perry, and film producer Kerianne Flynn. Bowe conducted three research experiments during the flight, while Nguyen became the first Vietnamese and Southeast Asian woman in space. The fully reusable New Shepard system features a pressurized capsule that separates from its booster before returning to Earth with three parachutes.
The 10-minute suborbital journey carried six passengers: journalist and Bezos' fiancee Lauren SÃnchez, former NASA scientist Aisha Bowe, bioastronautics researcher Amanda Nguyen, CBS journalist Gayle King, pop star Katy Perry, and film producer Kerianne Flynn. Bowe conducted three research experiments during the flight, while Nguyen became the first Vietnamese and Southeast Asian woman in space. The fully reusable New Shepard system features a pressurized capsule that separates from its booster before returning to Earth with three parachutes.
An all-female crew in (Score:5, Funny)
...a ship shaped like a giant wanker. I won't read anything perverted into it. Trust me. None. Really.
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Automated? Or remote controlled?
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An achievement (Score:2)
Demographics are changing so that the box tickers and demographic counters whose job depends on dividing people are retiring.
It is a good thing.
We want to celebrate and note accomplishments but not at the expense of making different groups of people angry at one another.
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They made it back ok, so it seems none of them were driving.
The driving was fine, orbital space is 840 million kilometres and they still couldn't park.
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One of the posts on X is from David Limp.
Say no more, say no more, nudge nudge wink wink
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Don't worry, they're just edging.
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We already saw an all-bitch flight into real space (3200km instead of 100) in 1957.
Re: An all-female crew in (Score:2)
That word doesn't mean what you think it does.
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So, to be clear "passenger" = "crew"?
Their accomplishment was to go for a ride in rocket?
When I board a commercial flight, am I part of the "crew"?
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"Our launch system is so reliable even a woman can fly it."
I guess this is the angle they were going for. It does seem a little bit sexist when you stop and think about it.
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You should go look into the psychological concept of "projection". The left-wing people I know take things that are intended to be humorous seriously instead. They say things like, "That isn't funny" when it's funny as can be. Another great way to sort them out is to show them any of the Austin Powers movies. If they can't laugh, you know you've found one.
I think you're half-right.
Just look at the Babylon Bee, completely devoid of anything resembling humour, yet there's people on the right who legitimately think it's funny.
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You should go look into the psychological concept of "projection". The left-wing people I know take things that are intended to be humorous seriously instead. They say things like, "That isn't funny" when it's funny as can be. Another great way to sort them out is to show them any of the Austin Powers movies. If they can't laugh, you know you've found one.
I think you're half-right.
Just look at the Babylon Bee, completely devoid of anything resembling humour, yet there's people on the right who legitimately think it's funny.
You just proved his point.
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You should go look into the psychological concept of "projection". The left-wing people I know take things that are intended to be humorous seriously instead. They say things like, "That isn't funny" when it's funny as can be. Another great way to sort them out is to show them any of the Austin Powers movies. If they can't laugh, you know you've found one.
I think you're half-right.
Just look at the Babylon Bee, completely devoid of anything resembling humour, yet there's people on the right who legitimately think it's funny.
You just proved his point.
In jest, but like I said, half-right.
There's a difference between being serious, and trying to tell a joke but being painfully unfunny (ie, Elon Musk).
The alt-right in particular like to say offensive things as a joke (funny or not), and then when called out for saying something terrible they start whining "no one can take a joke anymore!".
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Humor is subjective, just because you or I don't think its funny doesn't mean its funny. Most comedy today that I see today I don't consider funny however it doesn't mean it isn't intended as funny.
A site with the title:
Babylon Bee | Fake News You Can Trust
actually sounds like a poke at Trump if you read it as sarcastic.
and articles like:
'Minecraft' Revealed To Be Psyop To Prepare Kids For Return Of American Coal Mines
Is clearly trying to be satire, sure it may not be to your liking, but there is nothing wrong that, people can like different things.
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Their current lead article is actively offensive [babylonbee.com]. This seems to be a lot of their humour when aiming at liberals, whatever joke is there gets overwhelmed by their desire to be offensive as possible by targeting Muslims, and implying the target of the joke is Muslim (and ugly).
On the other side is their take on Trump's physical [babylonbee.com]:
1. Blood type came back USA-positive: The world has never seen anything like it.
2. Became only person in history to correctly
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Humor is subjective, just because you or I don't think its funny doesn't mean its funny. Most comedy today that I see today I don't consider funny however it doesn't mean it isn't intended as funny.
The corollary to this that just because someone says something was a joke, doesn't mean it actually was a joke (or funny).
I had a short side career as a stand up comedian as a younger man in an attempt to get over my terminal shyness. It didn't work, not the comedy career mind you, I got bookings but in a small city it didn't last and I was too timid to try moving to Melbourne, the terminal shyness I mean. 24 years later and I'm still terrible at approaching people. There are two things you learn as an a
All Female (Score:2, Troll)
Tourists.
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"Bowe conducted three research experiments during the flight"
So, not only tourists.
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"Bowe conducted three research experiments during the flight"
So, not only tourists.
I'm sure the 3 research experiments in the "several minutes in zero gravity and total amazement, as captured by audio on the livestream" were super important. What's historic about it? They aren't the first women in space. They aren't the first all-female crew in space. As for the "experiments", FTA: "It says she planned to carry postcards from students and conduct three research experiments on board, including on plant biology and human physiology." Seriously?
Re:All Female (Score:4)
They were in flight for how long?
10:21. (less than 11 minutes)
The fact that they are TRYING to claim "experiments" to side track from the Celebrity nature is .... mildly insulting to the REAL women astronauts. "All Female" is just a marketing stunt.
Tourists .
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They were in flight for how long?
10:21. (less than 11 minutes)
The fact that they are TRYING to claim "experiments" to side track from the Celebrity nature is .... mildly insulting to the REAL women astronauts. "All Female" is just a marketing stunt.
Tourists .
And the ten minutes includes the launch and return. They were in space for about 3 minutes. It was a swell ride and a fun trip but this "historic" thing is just silly.
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They were in flight for how long?
10:21. (less than 11 minutes)
The fact that they are TRYING to claim "experiments" to side track from the Celebrity nature is .... mildly insulting to the REAL women astronauts. "All Female" is just a marketing stunt.
Tourists .
And the ten minutes includes the launch and return. They were in space for about 3 minutes. It was a swell ride and a fun trip but this "historic" thing is just silly.
Lets call it a historic amount of marketing. For accuracy’s sake.
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historic? (Score:2, Interesting)
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So, marketing? Great.
As best I can figure out, Blue Origins (Bezos company) is about tourism (notice the big windows on the capsule?), while spaceX does actual work delivering government and private payloads into space, etc.
Re:historic? (Score:5, Funny)
It's the most diverse unmanned space mission ever.
Re:historic? (Score:5, Insightful)
Could someone please explain what was historic about this flight?
I consider myself quite progressive and liberal but I have long been tired of all accomplishments being described in terms of the gender or racial identity of those involved. I find such articles increasingly insulting - what, am I supposed to be surprised that women can travel to space in the same way men can travel to space?
Going to space should always be considered an accomplishment, although in this case credit should go to the engineers and scientists who built and operate the spacecraft (rather than to the wealthy passengers who spent untold millions to look out a small window for 10 minutes).
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what, am I supposed to be surprised that women can travel to space in the same way men can travel to space?
You might not be but then maybe it's not for you personally, someone out there might genuinely be surprised by that fact. Sure we can find it cringe and such but in that case you can also just ignore it. There is a cyclical nature to these things and the constant drum of griping drives some people to think they have to do more of it. Like whether BO calls this historic and if that's an accurate term is pretty far down on my list of concerns at the moment.
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If a person is that forgone, to think that a crew of women would never be able to make it into space, then this isn't going to convince them. They would just think men walked them through all of it step by step and that would be it. I agree, this is bonifide wokism already.
Female astronauts have been performing excellent work in space for a long, long time. Woke identity politics indeed.
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Yeah sure, not all advocacy is good, plenty of cringe all around us for those who are looking for it but in a way getting that reaction out of people is part of the point.
We can not care because it's yet another BO sub-orbital flight with no real purpose, it can safely ignored on those grounds alone. We all got baited, you, me, everyone. Hooks in mouths.
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I guess the better question is what does it even say. The list of female astronauts and cosmonauts is decently long. These are highly educated, highly physically prepared, women that nobody would suggest represent anything other than the highest levels of professional accomplishment for either gender.
What does this gender makeup of this space mission prove or represent? What dose the 'all-female' aspect of this amount to other than head line grabbing stunt?
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What dose the 'all-female' aspect of this amount to other than head line grabbing stunt?
That's kinda my point and it worked, would this have made /. if it wasn't framed as easy bait? Side effect or intended effect, who is to say, but BO can give their justification and that can be valid and everyone can have their about not liking it and that can be valid as well so really, all we all have done is give BO un-earned press. If everyone is talking about New Shepard again, even for these reasons, that just tells BO to do it more.
Re: historic? (Score:2)
The last time they did this was when they took William Shatner into space [youtube.com] and the story was treated like a novelty, but this flight, with rich female passengers, is just more of the same...
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Identity politics is a large part of why we're saying "President Trump" again.
Exactly. I surely didn't vote for Cheeto, but being curious about why the Democrats got their asses handed to them in 2024 (hint for the dems - it wasn't just the presidency you lost. You are now a minority in the HOR and Senate.
Identity politics and the irrational people the Dems are obedient to - well, they might try losing that outlook.
Re:historic? (Score:5, Insightful)
Identity politics is a large part of why we're saying "President Trump" again.
Oh come on. As if "MAGA" isn't an identity? And as if "Christian Nationalist" isn't an identity? And demonizing immigrants as criminals and rapists isn't about identity? And demonizing a handful of transgirls for playing in a few sports isn't about identity?
Republicans play identity politics, even more than the Democrats do...and while the Democrats' identity politics is annoying and irritating and cloying, the Republicans' identity politics has led to real harms for people in the groups they've demonized and attacked.
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immutable characteristics that no one can change like race or sex.
If a Republican said "sex is an immutable characteristic" they would be labeled as trans-phobic...
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Could someone please explain what was historic about this flight?
I consider myself quite progressive and liberal but I have long been tired of all accomplishments being described in terms of the gender or racial identity of those involved. I find such articles increasingly insulting - what, am I supposed to be surprised that women can travel to space in the same way men can travel to space?
Women in space has not been some kind of never before done thing. But you have to understand, this isn't about equality, it's about checkboxes. We'll hear about it again when the next all female launch happens. If it was actually about equality, no one would care.
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Could someone please explain what was historic about this flight?
I consider myself quite progressive and liberal but I have long been tired of all accomplishments being described in terms of the gender or racial identity of those involved. I find such articles increasingly insulting - what, am I supposed to be surprised that women can travel to space in the same way men can travel to space?
What is surprising to me is that it took so long since 1963 for an all-female mission to occur. NASA had considered an all-female space-shuttle mission, but it never got past the initial planning stages.
And sure, it's historic. Humans like to celebrate things. An all-female mission like this is a good excuse. Women often have been ignored in history, so anything that challenges that bias is a good thing.
Going to space should always be considered an accomplishment, although in this case credit should go to the engineers and scientists who built and operate the spacecraft (rather than to the wealthy passengers who spent untold millions to look out a small window for 10 minutes).
Sure, but I think the engineers and scientists have been acknowledged already. There's nothing wrong with
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Could someone please explain what was historic about this flight?
I consider myself quite progressive and liberal but I have long been tired of all accomplishments being described in terms of the gender or racial identity of those involved. I find such articles increasingly insulting - what, am I supposed to be surprised that women can travel to space in the same way men can travel to space?
What is surprising to me is that it took so long since 1963 for an all-female mission to occur. NASA had considered an all-female space-shuttle mission, but it never got past the initial planning stages.
And sure, it's historic. Humans like to celebrate things. An all-female mission like this is a good excuse. Women often have been ignored in history, so anything that challenges that bias is a good thing.
As the article says, "It was the first all-female spaceflight since 1963, when Soviet-era cosmonaut Valentina Tereshkova — the first woman in space — orbited the Earth during a nearly three-day solo flight. Blue Origin's flight was significantly shorter, lasting 10 minutes and 21 seconds."
So it missed being historic by 61 years, and their entire trip took less time than my last dump.
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Most men have been ignored through history too. Without looking back name one woman on this mission. Will you remember them in a week? I most certainly won't. The people who are truly ignored are the scientist and engineers that made the trip possible are probably not even mentioned in the article.
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You wouldn't remember Katy Perry?
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I think it's historic in the sense that It's the most non trained people to fly to "space", and the most celebrities. And not in a bad way, in a way that will promote more acceptance of normal people doing this, and not having to be a test pilot. I mean you wouldn't hear men scream like that when things happened, like the parachute gets deployed. So I do congratulate them for it being an all female crew.
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What is surprising to me is that it took so long since 1963 for an all-female mission to occur. NASA had considered an all-female space-shuttle mission, but it never got past the initial planning stages.
It is fascinating that they "considered" an all-female crew, but I'm curious to find out why they changed their minds. I suspect because it would diminish the achievement of the women involved and turn their mission into a PR stunt.
And sure, it's historic. Humans like to celebrate things. An all-female mission like this is a good excuse. Women often have been ignored in history, so anything that challenges that bias is a good thing.
The list of actual, accomplished women that have been in countless space missions is extensive, these women were passengers on a rocket guided and controlled by others on the ground.
Aside from the elevation reached, and the obvious breathing apparatus required, please explain to
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Could someone please explain what was historic about this flight? Did it reach greater heights or conduct some sort of unusual experiment? I read TFA and it was unclear. Women are exactly the same as men so that surely isn't it.
Checkbox people. It's kind of like every time Spacex launches, there has to be gushing about records.
So we have to celebrate something that already happened in the early days of spaceflight.
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First fake tits above the von Karman line?
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Rich people and celebrities... (Score:5, Insightful)
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Joy rides are no longer sufficient...
https://www.bbc.com/news/world... [bbc.com]
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>"Maybe it's time to distinguish between crew and passengers"
Indeed. But more importantly, who gives a **** about "first XXXX as/in/doing YYYY"? Fill in "XXXX" with any identity-politics category and "YYYY" with most anything.
When are they going to fly actual flights? (Score:5, Insightful)
So all we're getting from Blue Origin is rich/famous peoples (and Jeff's creepy girl friend) arcade rides with crappy landings?
When are they going to start actually delivering stuff to real space and maybe stick a landing?
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In their defense, Blue Origin is providing their BE-4 engine as a replacement for the Russian RD-180 in ULA's Vulcan launcher. So there's that...
Also, New Glenn launched back in January, though they missed the landing. There's a second New Glenn launch scheduled for "late spring" of this year as well which will carry satellites.
All female tourist trip (Score:4, Funny)
This was a ten minute tourist trip with six women launched on a giant cock. Wow, historic.
Why a pop star who uses autotune over a scientist? (Score:4, Insightful)
I think one of the most frustrating aspects of this isn't even the fact that it's an all female team because I could be totally cool with that if they were all scientists that had earned the position but for me I think the biggest imposition of this is the fact that people who have dedicated their entire life to engineering and science and have competed and earned that place were simply tossed aside so that a pop star that uses auto tune - aka they were not even dedicated enough to be able to sing well - can actually take the spot instead.
Some people are going to be against the fact that they're all women, and they're probably going to make jokes about that plane crash or whatever, but from my perspective as a scientist I'm looking at the value this gives human civilization...and I honestly think that Jeff Bezos just projecting that his current relationship won't end well because he's already attracted to other women so much he's going to allow them to ride his rocket.
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This isn't NASA. William Shatner and Bezos himself are not scientists or "earned the position" but they took the flight before this.
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This isn't NASA. William Shatner and Bezos himself are not scientists or "earned the position" but they took the flight before this.
Bezos? No. But a few Trekkies would probably argue that Shatner earned a seat.
And you’re not doing much other than looking out the window and creating debatable headlines with three minutes in actual space. That wasn’t a mission. It was a glorified carnival ride.
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There is no value in launching scientists on a trip that does no science. This crew was a good choice, since there was at least a nonzero chance that it would crash and burn.
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I think one of the most frustrating aspects of this isn't even the fact that it's an all female team because I could be totally cool with that if they were all scientists that had earned the position but for me I think the biggest imposition of this is the fact that people who have dedicated their entire life to engineering and science and have competed and earned that place were simply tossed aside so that a pop star that uses auto tune - aka they were not even dedicated enough to be able to sing well - can actually take the spot instead.
Some people are going to be against the fact that they're all women, and they're probably going to make jokes about that plane crash or whatever, but from my perspective as a scientist I'm looking at the value this gives human civilization...and I honestly think that Jeff Bezos just projecting that his current relationship won't end well because he's already attracted to other women so much he's going to allow them to ride his rocket.
It might be a surprise for the checkbox people, but there are women engineers and scientists who have been doing exemplary work in space for decades now, and they got those positions via meritocracy.
Sometimes I think that the checkbox people believe space equality won't be achieved until Taylor Swift, Katy Perry, and KinKardashian go to space.
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It might be a surprise for the checkbox people, but there are women engineers and scientists who have been doing exemplary work in space for decades now, and they got those positions via meritocracy.
Quite frankly, most highly trained women astronauts would probably have little interest jumping on this glorified carnival ride for clicks and shits sake.
They've proven their value-add far beyond space tourism.
True dat. It's really grating that this is some kind of flex, as if pop stars are doing something incredible, by going on that carnival ride and checking a box as if this is some sort of glass ceiling demolishment, while actual competent working women are ignored as if their contribution doesn't count.
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I think one of the most frustrating aspects of this isn't even the fact that it's an all female team because I could be totally cool with that if they were all scientists that had earned the position but for me I think the biggest imposition of this is the fact that people who have dedicated their entire life to engineering and science and have competed and earned that place were simply tossed aside so that a pop star that uses auto tune - aka they were not even dedicated enough to be able to sing well - can actually take the spot instead.
There were scientists aboard:
The 10-minute suborbital journey carried six passengers: journalist and Bezos' fiancee Lauren SÃnchez, former NASA scientist Aisha Bowe, bioastronautics researcher Amanda Nguyen, CBS journalist Gayle King, pop star Katy Perry, and film producer Kerianne Flynn.
Either way it's not a research mission, it's promotion for space tourism and for the company in general, just like when SpaceX sent up a completely unqualified entrepreneur as the "commander" of a "mission" [wikipedia.org].
You send up the journalist, pop star, and film producer because you want the publicity. You send up the science folks with them so the other science folks feel included.
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It was a 10 minute mission. This was a joyride, there was no science to be done by anyone. Two of these people were actually scientists, but I guarantee they spent the 10 minutes staring out of the window.
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Scientists don't make enough money to buy a ticket.
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Now that we've officially ended the patriarchy, can we be done with all this nonsense? /s I mean seriously, my girls both know they can be an astronaut if they want to, and there are lots of examples of women astronauts. Are there any women who previously felt oppressed who've changed their minds? Is there one women who even feels a little less oppressed now? Obviously not.
The forces behind this have simply changed their tactics. My more matriarchal friends and acquaintances are busy dredging up ancient injustices real or perceived, in order to keep the misandry going.
Daily posts about how Hedy Lamarr was screwed out of recognition when she invented spread spectrum, even how she invented Wifi. She did not do either - this doesn't take away from her and George Antiel did toward the end of WW2 - but telling lies in the name of the oppression of women is kind of making shit
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pffft astronauts my eye (Score:1)
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Next time I fly United, I'm going to claim I'm on the crew. Maybe I'll even use the shorter line for crew at the security checkpoint.
Oh, wait. I'm not super rich or famous. This isn't going to work at all.
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Stop calling it a "crew", They were 6 vry wealthy people that bought a ticket on a slingshot ride to "space". If i ride the ferris wheel with some one are we a crew?
If it is all women, yes.
Re: pffft astronauts my eye (Score:2)
Itâ(TM)s a PR stunt. Iâ(TM)m sure most, if not all of them didnâ(TM)t pay a thing
DEI? (Score:2)
Gee, and here I thought they HATED DEI, and that Dear Leader banned all instances of it.
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Gee, and here I thought they HATED DEI, and that Dear Leader banned all instances of it.
It's a private flight, so they can say as the wish.
How this can be some kind of checkbox bragging right when women have been doing perfectly good work in space for decades now is kinda weird though.
Of course, NASA's female astronauts were not DEI hires - they had to perform. Space is not an environment where identity politics works well. One mistake, and the corpses are all made of the same material.
Whoop-de-doo (Score:2, Flamebait)
I am so impressed. Wow! What a giant leap for glamkind.
So as crew (Score:1)
Meanwhile Jonny Kim (Score:2)
Not news (Score:2)
Nobody cares that a bunch of women became space tourist at the same time. This is not ground breaking, earth changing, culture shattering, glass ceiling scaling news. Girls have been going to space since 1963... Now if any of these women could tell you how to solve for Vc or calculate a stable orbit, then yea they deserve some recognition. At this point all they did was pay up to a half a million dollars for a 11 minute rocket ride.
We need more coverage of what idiot Trump is doing instead of News Of The St
Alternate headline (Score:2)
"All female crew ride giant dildo 62miles above the earth."
Feminism! (Score:3)
Wow. That really showed us.
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Nothing shows how equal you all are like getting your rich boyfriend to pay for an expensive trip with your girlfriends. Wow. That really showed us.
Yup. Ranks right up there with Forbes richest “self-made” divorcees.
What a waste of money (Score:2)
This is a direct result of wealth concentration. This is money that was stolen from society as a whole, stolen from those who are poor and hungry. Why should we be tolerating this kind of dick-waving from the ultra-rich?!
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Any Science Geek Knows... (Score:2)
If you're not completing a full orbit around the Earth, you're just on a "vomit comet". Any pencil pusher can say "62 miles means you're reached "outer space". The Laws of Physics determines that one can't complete a full orbit around the Earth and not have reached "outer space".
Hold up! (Score:2)
Wasn't NASA supposed to shitcan anything related to DEI?!
Is the Dept of Doogie Howser aware of this???
You Could Read the SUMMARY (Score:2)
From the SUMMARY, not even the TFA, "Blue Origin's New Shepard ", not NASA's ship.
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Either way, Trump must be furious!!
The Bezos Carnival (Score:2)
Either way, Trump must be furious!!
If Trump needs to sell glorified carnival rides to narcissistic ass-tronauts, he knows who to call.
The real astronauts tend to work for everyone other than the guy who can’t keep it up there more than 10 minutes.
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Ha! I see what you did there.
Those people (Score:2)
1) applaud this for being a historic thing, and
2) lecture us on how gender is just a construct, and irrelevant to accomplishment.