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Boring Cities Are Bad for Your Health (wired.com) 117

Studies using new brain-mapping and wearable devices have shown that unstimulating urban architecture can harm residents' health, leading to increased rates of depression, cancer and diabetes. Research projects across Europe and North America, including the EU-funded eMOTIONAL Cities project and studies at the University of Waterloo's Urban Realities Laboratory, are measuring people's physiological responses to their surroundings. The findings are pushing architects and city planners to prioritize human wellbeing in design, with some cities like London's Newham borough now including happiness metrics in economic planning.
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  • ...bulldoze half the space in cities to make room for privately owned cars, taking architectural gems with it, or anything.
  • Retitled (Score:2, Insightful)

    by StormReaver ( 59959 )

    The the word "Boring" out of the title, and it's much more accurate.

  • Stockholm provides the best balance between urbanization and nature. Not only that, it provides the right stimulus to its citizens: amazement, excitement, inspiration, happiness, curiosity, comfort, enlightenment and a sense of connection to something greater than oneself: a sense of belonging.
  • So does having to be hyperaware on subway platforms.

    And don't forget the mental calisthenics that is remembering how to open up your absurdly complex bike lock.

    Urban environments are nice but for one crucial factor: they are inhabited by humans. Humans aren't meant to live in such close proximity. We are meant to spread out to distant treetops or caves or whatever. If we'd come up from ants or bees instead of apes, cities perhaps wouldn't bring out our worst aspects the way the do with us upright monkeys.

    • So does having to be hyperaware on subway platforms.

      And don't forget the mental calisthenics that is remembering how to open up your absurdly complex bike lock.

      Urban environments are nice but for one crucial factor: they are inhabited by humans. Humans aren't meant to live in such close proximity. We are meant to spread out to distant treetops or caves or whatever. If we'd come up from ants or bees instead of apes, cities perhaps wouldn't bring out our worst aspects the way the do with us upright monkeys.

      To your point, country village living is a more normal situation for humans. And our "tribal limits" are pretty much hardwired into us.

      In my wooded village, and especially on my street, we look at each other eye to eye, we say hello and have impromptu conversations, we know each other's names. There is more than just my street, but the streets and woods are constructed to segment everyone. When I'm in a large city, I do as the people there do, I don't look people in the eye, and acknowledge or converse a

      • In my wooded village

        Papa Smurf, is that you?

        • In my wooded village

          Papa Smurf, is that you?

          Did ya ever wonder how tired Smurfette had to be as the only woman in a world of blue dudes? But no doubt quite popular. But she's mine https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]

          • Gargamel introduced the concept of two genders to the Smurfs. He created Smurfette in an attempt to throw their society into chaos.

            (Sassette is the other female Smurf)

      • And also, we can't all be spread out in the utopian manner. There are too many people on the planet. I don't like cities that much, but I really am getting tired of the city haters constantly pulling up stupid stereotypes and then claiming that by living 100 miles from the closest doctor and having to wrestle bears for their food that they're healthier. Oh wait, I'm making up stereotypes just like they are!

        Honestly, I'm likely to retire in a small town, and it makes me nervous because it's likely to be w

      • Didn't we try that in the USA in the projects?

        No, we didn't. Housing projects were designed, built and maintained to house poor people in one spot. And often the least attractive spot. If the spot became attractive, they tore down the project and kicked the poor people out to build more attractive housing.

        • Didn't we try that in the USA in the projects?

          No, we didn't. Housing projects were designed, built and maintained to house poor people in one spot. And often the least attractive spot. If the spot became attractive, they tore down the project and kicked the poor people out to build more attractive housing.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]

          Hey - cool story bro! Read on Subsidized housing.

          • Your link is to "subsidized housing", of which "the projects" were a specific variation. Many of them got torn down when gentrification lead to an increase in inner-urban land values.
    • by dfghjk ( 711126 )

      "And don't forget the mental calisthenics that is remembering how to open up your absurdly complex bike lock."

      Come on, we know you've never ridden a bike.

      "Urban environments are nice but for one crucial factor: they are inhabited by humans."

      Same with rural environments, only in urban environments people don't shoot your pets.

      "Humans aren't meant to live in such close proximity. We are meant to spread out to distant treetops or caves or whatever. If we'd come up from ants or bees instead of apes, cities perh

    • And don't forget the mental calisthenics that is remembering how to open up your absurdly complex bike lock.

      Bragging about finding bike locks too complicated is a weird flex, but you do you.

      • No, bragging about living in a place where anything that isn't bolted down grows legs in 30 minutes or less is the weird flex.

        I lock my doors, but I don't expect that my lawn chairs would get jacked if I leave them outside.

        • No, bragging about living

          No, you really were bragging about how hard you find bike locks. Maybe I'm just naturally smart but I've never found my bike lock required "mental calisthenics".

        • And yet, in the country there is crime. Murder even. Highest murder rates happen in small rural towns (because the small population means a spree of 5 murders a year gives a huge per-capita rate). Cars and trucks get stolen from farms. Heck, cattle rustling still happens! People will be people no matter where they live.

    • From my body plan, it is clear that my ancestors have adapted to using elevators not to climbing trees.

  • May you live in interesting times, but in a boring city
    • May you live in interesting times, but in a boring city

      Awesome sig!

    • Next time my HOA accuses me of paining my house in purple paisley, I'll say that I'm only doing it to raise the health of my neighbors, who'd otherwise be stuck looking at the same boring aproved rancid salmon color all day.

  • Architects are nasty, vein, untalented bastards who want their pathetic creations to STICK OUT, not blend in with the lovely old buildings around them.

    They call building that fit in "pastiche" and hate it, while people want that because IT LOOKS NICE.

    They don't get famous for building nice stuff that fits in - they build to show off to other shitty architects and hate building WHAT PEOPLE LIKE.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfron_Tower#/media/File:Balfron_tower.jpg
    • by dfghjk ( 711126 )

      Yep, that's all architects, not an absurd generalization at all. If only there was a school that could teach architects how to design things that people wanted and could use.

  • Something you see daily that doesn't change in any way is not stimulating. Thus, architecture can have zero impact on someone's mental state in the way they claim. There are better studies saying plants in cities make people happier and healthier. I, for one, just wouldn't live in a large over-dense city. Noise and traffic tend to make people unhappy too. That's not a study. People just know that.
  • Local governments don't need new age Happiness Metrics, they just need to stop giving permission for shit modern architects to put up their disgusting monstrosities and let the people, not architects or their planner chums, choose what will be built, or demolished.
    • Fuck Newham's planners, architects and their happiness index.

      A street in Newham:

      https://imgur.com/a/oRXaPfm
      • by dfghjk ( 711126 )

        Replying to your own posts to make it look like there's a single person that agrees with your bias? LOL

        • I replied to illustrate my post, you prick.
          Now tell us how much you love the planning and architecture in that image and which fucked-up schools teach architects that that is what people want.

          Bias?!
          Yes, I'm biased!
          And that "bias" is the bias of normal, decent people for nice towns and against the anti-social architects and planners who have fucked up Newham and everywhere like it, building stuff to further their own careers, but doing nothing for the people who have to live in that ugly shit.

          And those shit
        • I don't know if you realize this... your userID is really big so you are kind of new to slashdot, but this website doesn't have a way to edit your post after you submit, so if you get some inspiration later and want to make an addendum, the only way is to reply to yourself.

      • That looks like a victim of building for car dependence. Bring on LTNs and an end to the default dominance of cars.

        • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

          Car dependence is just a symptom of much bigger problems. The UK, for example, literally can't build anything that isn't shit. It's illegal, nobody would insure it, nobody would buy it. Shit is mandatory and universal.

          You cannot polish a turd. Well, Myth Busters proved that you can, but not *this* turd.

          • Car dependence is just a symptom of much bigger problems.

            I disagree: there are a large number of different factors all centered around the supremacy of cars over all else. Regulatory, legislative and societal, cars are treated as a special case where the all the usual rules don't apply. It seeps in at all levels.

            Here's a fun example. Cambridge has a rather unusual mass transit system, first of its kind in the UK, and rare worldwide: a guided bus. It's actually kind of neat, but I digress. Anyway there have

            • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

              Those are all symptoms of not being able to build good towns, and not even being able to imagine what those would look like.

              Take a look at road safety stats for Japan. Most roads don't even have a separate pavement, bikes are everywhere, and somehow it's safer and a much nicer place to live.

              It's completely alien to most Brits and they can't comprehend how it works so well. Can't even understand it really, they always try to frame it in British terms, which would make it shit.

              • Those are all symptoms of not being able to build good towns,

                How is a concerted press and political campaign against cyclists a symptom of not being able to build good towns? It's culture war nonsense from the right aiming to divide and especially against people who cannot drive (who skew poorer).

                Second, the guided bus is between St Ives and Cambridge. To build better towns in that regard you'd have to start a thousand years ago. Though Cambridge is pretty nice to bike around. I live there for a while and i

                • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

                  It's a bit like the "migrant problem", which is really a much bigger problem with low wages and underfunded public services.

                  I agree that many towns would need some substantial demolition to fix them. We should consider that.

                  Japan has many secrets to successful and safe towns and cities. Parking is one, but only a minor thing.

                  • It's a bit like the "migrant problem", which is really a much bigger problem with low wages and underfunded public services.

                    I think it's the other way around: the problems stem from the attitudes which are fuelled by a small number of moneyed interests. It's the Tory party and right wing press do it partly to sow division and partly because they believe (completely incorrectly as it happens, but I did not accuse them of being smart) it is narrowly in their own self interest.

                    Even disregarding the amount of f

                    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

                      On street parking is just a symptom of crap towns. Terrace houses were a huge mistake.

                    • On street parking is just a symptom of crap towns. Terrace houses were a huge mistake.

                      It is not and they are not, and you are making very car centric assumptions. I am a Londoner and I like living here, it is not by any means a crap town. I like my terrace house. The higher density means I can actually afford to live here (the semi and detached houses are way out of my price range), and I get to have a garden with a shibunkin goldfish pond which I also like a great deal. What makes it not crap is there are

                    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

                      This is what I'm talking about. Tokyo has high population density, almost all detached houses or apartments, terraces are almost non existent. The prices are much much better than London too.

                      It's beyond most British people's ability to comprehend because they can only see everything in terms of the British model. The crap is necessary, essential, the only way houses and towns can be built. I'm sure your bit of London is nice by UK standards, but it's still shit compared to 90% of Tokyo.

                      Another example is th

                    • This is what I'm talking about. Tokyo has high population density, almost all detached houses or apartments, terraces are almost non existent.

                      Yes? You haven't said what's uniquely bad about terraces. They offer a density between semi-detached and low rise apartments. You are arguing that something is extremely bad about that level of density compared to higher and lower. I'm not going to take that at face value without some kind of elaboration other than "it's in Japan".

                      The prices are much much better than

                    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

                      Sorry, I'm getting a bit frustrated and I'm ill.

                      Terraces are too dense, UK houses are too small in general. They lead to rows of identical houses too, extremely ugly and a very hostile, bland, depressing landscape. It also forces certain garden shapes, a lack of privacy, and leads to noise issues.

                      You can't easily demolish a single house in a terrace, and replace it with something more suitable. You can't even easily convert what is there to say retail or a small factory. Small office maybe.

                      Terraces also rui

                    • On the back end of a bout of COVID here...

                      Too dense? We also have flats here of substantially higher density as well.

                      Really this depends on where you are, doesn't it? The density is highest in city centres and drops on average as you move out. Anyway I certainly couldn't afford a semi or detached house where I live, the land prices are too high! So from that point of view, I e. My supply of money and where I live I wouldn't say terraces are too dense. It's 180m^2 so not tiny or anything.

                      I'd rather not live

                    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

                      This is what I'm getting at. You choices are driven by obscene house prices, no what is good. The extent of our government's ambition is to build more overpriced crap, just microscopic and low quality enough to only be 10x average salary instead of 12x, while maintaining builder profits.

                    • This is what I'm getting at. You choices are driven by obscene house prices, no what is good.

                      OK, we've veered way off terraces and styles of planning rules. Yes house prices here are insane, I don't disagree, though even without that purchases are driven by funds, because good city centers are always going to be more expensive.

                      The extent of our government's ambition is to build more overpriced crap, just microscopic and low quality enough to only be 10x average salary instead of 12x, while maintaining build

                    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

                      Terrances are part of the reason for high prices. We have the oldest housing stock in Europe and it is basically immortal. Can't replace it, can hardly build anything new, can only poorly renovate.

                      It takes years to build up local house building teams at councils. If we don't we will be stuck reliant on commercial builders.

                    • Often they have parking too. Many convenience stores have a car park 2-3x as large as the shop.

                      As someone who now lives in America but was brought up in Britain, I can confirm this is a bug, not a feature. Having parking lots around stores occupying 2-3x as much space as the store severely destroys walkability, making it hostile to all forms of transport except cars.

                      It's also ugly and depressing, FWIW.

                      And terraced housing is great. Even 19th Century UK homes are pretty nice despite their age. You should see

                    • I somewhat disagree with your conclusions. You said earlier terraces are too dense: I don't see how losing the density of housing will help prices.

                      Second you absolutely can knock down mid terrace houses. It's not often done but it's more than possible. If you come on a walking tour of my area I reckon I could point to a few knocked down by the Germans in a bit of a hurry. It's certainly more expensive than a detached house, but the British on the whole like period houses: even detached ones are often left

                    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

                      High density housing with low density services. High prices result as everyone tries to cram in.

                      A typical British Lidl is a large supermarket here. Here they have them that are much more than a Tesco Metro, but also not giant everything shops, or all run by a small number of companies. Other things like pharmacies are often larger.

                      Everything is the wrong size in the UK, and it creates high prices.

                    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

                      It must be the way you guys are doing it. Here the site remains perfectly walkable, but with space for the rush hour through traffic on the truck road when needed. The spaces are extra large to allow doors to be opened, despite cars being overall smaller. It's like it's designed for human beings and their needs or something.

  • by davide marney ( 231845 ) on Thursday January 02, 2025 @09:49AM (#65056913) Journal

    If you build a place to prioritize cars, that place will eventually resemble a parking lot.

    I want you to visualize a parking lot in your mind. Visualize yourself standing there. Sitting there. Setting up a dining table and eating a meal there. Going to bed there. Driving to work in another parking-lot-city, where you sit at a desk in the parking lot trying to work. And then on the weekends, put the fam in the car and drive to tour a distant parking lot.

    That summarizes 90% of the experience of living in a US metro area.

    • by dskoll ( 99328 )

      100% this. It's similar in Canada which is why I like to escape periodically to a place with great urban design like The Netherlands. Cities and towns there are fantastic places that put people first.

  • by omnichad ( 1198475 ) on Thursday January 02, 2025 @11:31AM (#65057191) Homepage

    I doubt it has much to do with how "interesting" or "pretty" a building is but more to do with how hard your brain has to work to tell the difference between one location and the next. If everything is exactly the same and "fits in" nicely, then you have to work really hard to figure out where you are. If you are in an area where every building is unique, then you will have a much easier time building a mental map. Subdivisions where every house has one of 5 building templates are a worst case scenario and you have to rely on street signs or navigation apps.

    These little tiny extra loads on the brain are small individually but would add up to a lot of wasted mental energy.

  • When I first started working full time I lived in the suburbs and worked in an industrial part of a city. I would get depressed driving into work when the trees would disappear and everything looked dirty/rundown. I couldn't get out of there fast enough.

  • In the scheme of things, nothing contributes to depression like isolation. Run-down cities tend to be places where people live an isolated life.

    By contrast, people who live in "boring" rural areas, tend to socialize much more, and experience depression less. https://www.sciencedirect.com/... [sciencedirect.com].

  • Important topic, for sure, but the article itself is thinly written, simplistic and borders on incoherence.

    From the article: "...the second half of the 20th century, pioneering thinkers such as American author and activist Jane Jacobs and Danish architect Jan Gehl began highlighting the inhuman way our cities were being shaped, with boring constructions, barren spaces and brutal expressways... It was an inconvenient truth that seemed to contradict mainstream architectural thinking."

    Just, no. Everything in

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