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25% of Adults Suspect Undiagnosed ADHD (neurosciencenews.com) 154

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Neuroscience News: Attention deficit/hyperactivity disorder -- also known as ADHD -- is typically thought of as a childhood condition. But more adults are realizing that their struggles with attention, focus and restlessness could in fact be undiagnosed ADHD, thanks in large part to trending social media videos racking up millions of views. A new national survey of 1,000 American adults commissioned by The Ohio State University Wexner Medical Center and College of Medicine finds that 25% of adults now suspect they may have undiagnosed ADHD. But what worries mental health experts is that only 13% of survey respondents have shared their suspicions with their doctor. That's raising concerns about the consequences of self-diagnosis leading to incorrect treatment.

"Anxiety, depression and ADHD -- all these things can look a lot alike, but the wrong treatment can make things worse instead of helping that person feel better and improving their functioning," said psychologist Justin Barterian, PhD, clinical assistant professor in Ohio State's Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Health. An estimated 4.4% of people ages 18 to 44 have ADHD, and some people aren't diagnosed until they're older, Barterian said. "There's definitely more awareness of how it can continue to affect folks into adulthood and a lot of people who are realizing, once their kids have been diagnosed, that they fit these symptoms as well, given that it's a genetic disorder," Barterian said. The survey found that younger adults are more likely to believe they have undiagnosed ADHD than older generations, and they're also more likely to do something about it. Barterian said that should include seeing a medical professional, usually their primary care provider, to receive a referral to a mental health expert to be thoroughly evaluated, accurately diagnosed and effectively treated.

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25% of Adults Suspect Undiagnosed ADHD

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  • by sodul ( 833177 ) on Monday October 14, 2024 @06:13PM (#64864613) Homepage

    All these platforms are focusing on 30s bursts of very brief information.

    No wonder people can't focus for over 1h at a time anymore.

    • Says a dude who's made his point in four short lines of text. As displayed on a phone screen.

      • by dfghjk ( 711126 )

        Wow, you certainly aren't improving.

      • by ls671 ( 1122017 )

        Well of course I have ADHD, everybody has it to different levels. Trying to categorize everybody into different buckets doesn't work, period.

        Nevertheless, I still prefer reading or listening to long detailed articles/videos on topics so I guess I am doing fine overall.

        • by Pascoea ( 968200 )

          Trying to categorize everybody into [two] different buckets doesn't work, period.

          You need 10 buckets. Those that understand binary and those that don't. [Apologies for my "addition" to your quote. Needed it to make the "joke" work.]

      • Says a dude who's made his point in four short lines of text. As displayed on a phone screen.

        ..crafted purposefully out of necessity. It’s called know your audience.

        Hope that was brief enough for you.

      • Japanese poems
        Are purposefully shorter
        ADHD Zen

        • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

          by Anonymous Coward
          The sun sets on wit.
          Haiku is more than counting.
          Try again, harder.
      • It's called being focused and to the point, concise.

    • by Drethon ( 1445051 ) on Monday October 14, 2024 @06:49PM (#64864695)

      All these platforms are focusing on 30s bursts of very brief information.

      No wonder people can't focus for over 1h at a time anymore.

      I wish I could block YouTube shorts, gets in the way of the videos I actually want to watch.

      • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

        by ls671 ( 1122017 )

        What do you mean? Are you subscribed to some kind of mailing list or something?

        I sometimes watch shorts but they are quite easy to avoid in my use case against YouTube since they clearly come up on a specific row by themselves so it's very hard to inadvertently click on a short if you don't want to.

        • I sometimes watch shorts but they are quite easy to avoid in my use case against YouTube since they clearly come up on a specific row by themselves so it's very hard to inadvertently click on a short if you don't want to.

          But, they show up mixed in with all my subscriptions on that page....and it a PITA to scroll through and only watch the full length ones I wanna watch...

          They should put a filter there for you to filter out the "shorts"....

          • by ls671 ( 1122017 )

            Oh, I don't have any subscription, the least they know, the better. Here is what you can do; go to the channel you subscribed to home page, you'll get all shorts and regular videos on a different page, in chronological order so it's easy to catch up and you won't see any shorts unless you click on the shorts link which has its own dedicated page only for shorts. The "video" link doesn't have any shorts in it.

      • There's a Firefox extension named Unhook that allows you to hide Shorts, hide the sidebar list of videos, hide videos you've already seen etc.

    • People have been getting advertisments telling them to worry about adult ADHD [youtube.com]. The symptoms listed are really generic.

      Apparently, from tfa, 25% of people are susceptible to those advertisements.
      • People have been getting advertisments telling them to worry about adult ADHD [youtube.com]. The symptoms listed are really generic. Apparently, from tfa, 25% of people are susceptible to those advertisements.

        99% of consumers are susceptible to believing clickbait. I wonder what addictive mind-warping shit I could sell to some politicians to legalize and shove in a pill bottle, and pretend it’s an improvement.

        • I wonder what addictive mind-warping shit I could sell to some politicians to legalize and shove in a pill bottle, and pretend it’s an improvement.

          Amphetamines? When you think of it, you have to wonder what the drug companies did wrong to get slapped down for opiates. Who did they accidentally offend?

      • The pharmaceutical cartel, a major component of the medical/industrial complex, knows how to push their product.
    • I have my doubts that video sites have anything directly to do with it, but rather are just a symptom of a more systemic problem: we are all overloaded with things to do and too little time in which to do them. As such, we rush through everything.

    • I think most of those people have ADT [www.yths.fi] instead. Basically, if environmental factors cause you to develop ADHD-like symptoms in your adult life, it's not really ADHD. It also means it should be easier to learn to fight those symptoms.
  • Cue all the oldies (Score:2, Informative)

    by war4peace ( 1628283 )

    Cue all the older people who dismiss this completely, aka "back in my day, my mom fixed that with a couple of slaps" or something.

    Well, I was on the receiving end of plenty slaps, kicks, belts and worse. Guess what, that didn't fix shit.

    • by timeOday ( 582209 ) on Monday October 14, 2024 @06:22PM (#64864633)
      Perhaps another reason the older people didn't see so much ADHD is because work has changed to become less suitable to the nature of people, especially men. Drugging ourselves up to stay focused while chained to a desk at school until we're old enough to spend the rest of our lives chained to a desk in the workplace seems kinda sad, although I'm not sure what alternative there is.
      • Pretty sure among adults, its mostly women taking these pills.

        Half the time its their kids script.
      • by dfghjk ( 711126 )

        Perhaps a problem is that you think this is different for you than it was for "older people".

        "...because work has changed to become less suitable to the nature of people, especially men."

        Because it has not. You know, older people still work, their jobs aren't different from yours.

        • Because it has not. You know, older people still work, their jobs aren't different from yours.

          Good lord... Think back a little further than that.. Instead of thinking back 50 years, try 100 or 200... There's probably some truth to the suspicion that we can't adapt as fast as the world is changing.. Even going back just 50 years.. Most people had ONE television and maybe 10 total channels to choose from (yes, I'm aware that cable TV existed 50 years ago, but it wasn't ubiquitous). Nobody carried a phone with them.. Laptops didn't exist. We were able to disconnect for hours and hours at a stretch

          • Most people had ONE television and maybe 10 total channels to choose from...

            I grew up in Los Angeles in the '50s and '60s and until UHF came along we had seven TV channels available. And, the first UHF channel was in Spanish, which was a great thing for the Hispanic community but not much use to those of us who only knew English.
          • Good lord... Think back a little further than that.. Instead of thinking back 50 years, try 100 or 200... There's probably some truth to the suspicion that we can't adapt as fast as the world is changing.. Even going back just 50 years.. Most people had ONE television and maybe 10 total channels to choose from (yes, I'm aware that cable TV existed 50 years ago, but it wasn't ubiquitous). Nobody carried a phone with them.. Laptops didn't exist. We were able to disconnect for hours and hours at a stretch.

            Muc

      • by m00sh ( 2538182 )

        Perhaps another reason the older people didn't see so much ADHD is because work has changed to become less suitable to the nature of people, especially men. Drugging ourselves up to stay focused while chained to a desk at school until we're old enough to spend the rest of our lives chained to a desk in the workplace seems kinda sad, although I'm not sure what alternative there is.

        When I was young, I used to dream of having a nice desk, good equipment, an environment free of external distractions (not websites and phones but family members) and getting lost in my work.

        I detested repetitive physical work that left room for nothing else.

        Now we long for physical work and see a desk as chained.

    • Idunno. You've got your shit together enough to be posting on slashdot. Could've always been worse.

    • I was going to say if it affects 25% of adults it might not actually be a 'disorder'.
    • by dfghjk ( 711126 )

      It didn't fix it enough, that's for sure. But are you claiming you had ADHD as a child, and the presciption was physical abuse? I doubt it.

      • There were no prescriptions. There was no ADHD diagnosis. As a matter of fact, I'm pretty sure ADHD was unheard of in that time and place.
        The "treatment" was along the lines of "the beatings will continue until the symptoms disappear".

    • by Revek ( 133289 )
      My parents breathed their last breath convinced they didn't beat me enough.
    • by phantomfive ( 622387 ) on Monday October 14, 2024 @07:16PM (#64864769) Journal
      There's a difference between saying "ADHD is not real" (which is false) and saying, "maybe amphetamines aren't the best answer to ADHD." The latter is almost certainly true.
      • There's a difference between saying "ADHD is not real" (which is false) and saying, "maybe amphetamines aren't the best answer to ADHD." The latter is almost certainly true.

        Really?

        ADHD does not exist

        https://time.com/25370/doctor-... [time.com]

        • by skam240 ( 789197 )

          An opinion piece in Time magazine authored by a single doctor is your evidence? A single doctor's opinion does not make reality https://www.bbc.com/news/world... [bbc.com] nor is Time magazine the authoritative source of scientific information you seem to be making it out to be.

          • https://www.snopes.com/fact-ch... [snopes.com]

            "Dr. Leon Eisenberg, the ‘father’ of ADHD, said just before his death that ADHD ‘is a prime example of a fictitious disease.’ " - mostly true

            https://www.naturalnews.com/04... [naturalnews.com]

            "Before his death, father of ADHD admitted it was a fictitious disease"

            Do you need more?

            • by EvilSS ( 557649 )

              Do you need more?

              How about something refuting all of the fMRI studies showing a physiological basis for ADHD?

              • Why can't behavior affect physiology? It does in so many other cases - overuse of a joint can lead to joint changes and sometimes damage. Why not overstimulation of the brain leading to ADHD?
              • You start by providing sources for you claims.

            • by skam240 ( 789197 )

              Do you need more?

              Yes, enough to exceed the general medical consensus that exists for ADHD existing amongst psychological professionals.

              I can find a few individuals saying just about anything. All you're doing here is what the Covid deniers did, finding the small handful of doctors that are pushing the narrative they want to exist, never mind the vast majority who are very much of a different opinion.

              • There is an important difference here - this is the doctor that "discovered" or defined ADHD to start with. It is not some random guy in Springfield.

          • Yes, rather like the recent opinion article in time - "Maybe ultraprocessed foods are good for you." I'm sorry the author's name wasn't Jan.
      • by skam240 ( 789197 )

        The latter is almost certainly true.

        Ha, a LOT of people with some pretty heavy degrees clearly disagree with you.

        I'm not saying there are zero issues with these treatments but I've always found it ridiculous to see random internet users who likely have zero expertise on the subject they are discussing say such things with such levels of assurance. "Almost certainly true". Might as well tell me vaccines are evil.

        • It's probably the most effective tool they have but it's a clumsy tool. If anyone gave a fuck they'd probably have something better by now.
          Personally exercise works more than my medication for me and I suspect maybe it even works for most people with ADHD.

          But just lol if you think a doctor is going to have any success when a guy with ADHD walks into an office and a doctor tells him he needs to start training in something like a competition athlete. You can't even get non adhd people to do 20 minutes of

          • by skam240 ( 789197 )

            If they can get 800 people to all eat the EXACT same food for a full week, both in terms of type and in quantity, as they do in this somewhat significant study https://wis-wander.weizmann.ac... [weizmann.ac.il] on the relative GI levels between individuals what you describe is certainly possible. Finding the funding to do it is the tricky part.

        • Ha, a LOT of people with some pretty heavy degrees clearly disagree with you.

          That's why I added the 'almost.' Odds are that it's real; heavy odds.

  • by RightwingNutjob ( 1302813 ) on Monday October 14, 2024 @06:22PM (#64864631)

    There, I fixed it for you.

    It continues to occur to me that if I'd were a small child in America in the 90s or later, as opposed to the Soviet Union in the 80s, they'd've diagnosed me with all sorts of crap for the pathology of running around and not staying still when I was a little boy.

    And instead of being gainfully employed, married, 2.whatever kids and a house in the suburbs, Hypothetical Medicated RightwingNutjob might very well be strung out on tranq and counting his remaining fingers, living on the streets and blaming The Man for his troubles.

    A quarter of adults do not have an undiagnosed psychological condition.

    • I think we're looking at the nascent next wave of legalization here: Legalized Amphetamines.

      • This. Not just is it like opiates, but like, if you ask most people with depression, anxiety, ADHD, etc, something like this:

        "If you had to go back in time say thirty years, or thirty years before that, or thirty years before that, how do you think psychology would help you?"

        I've actually had this conversation a bunch, it's not a scientific study, but I find if you pull the tread even a little, most people don't just think that previous psychology would have been less good, it would have been actively harmf

        • Chemical lobotomy.
        • by dfghjk ( 711126 )

          "...my prediction is we'll say 2024's psychology was too capitalist."

          My prediction is that in 2054, young people will be ageist toward old people, only those old people are the young people of today.

  • I was one of them (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Revek ( 133289 ) on Monday October 14, 2024 @06:47PM (#64864683)
    I mean I knew I had difficulties my whole life. What really hurt me was having two narcissistic parents. If its one thing a narc can't stand its therapy. I could not take stimulants so its was a long road to finally finding a medication that helps. Of course if you don't continually work on it no drug will make much difference.
  • 1/4? Really? Do these numbers change this fast over a couple of decades? Sometimes when I read stuff li.... OOOOOHHH! Look at that pretty butterfly!

    • Watch interviews with people in the 1980s, 70s, 60s etc. People are more focused.
      • by skam240 ( 789197 )

        What type of rose colored glasses nonsense is this? This is right up there with "in my day kids..." did everything better.

  • by Togden ( 4914473 ) on Monday October 14, 2024 @07:23PM (#64864785)
    As someone who has an ADHD diagnosis my broad experience of people is that there's a distribution of ability to pay attention and generally people who find it easier to direct and maintain their attention have very low tolerance of people who aren't able. Often I am dismissed as stupid, lazy or possessing little will power or self control even though I've had to make sure I'm none of these things to manage in my situation and any evidence that this opinion is incongruent with the reality is ignored because many people just can't cope with the realisation that attention isn't entirely a choice but it's also a resource of the mind that suffers fatigue and with it none of us are created equal.
  • by Krishnoid ( 984597 ) on Monday October 14, 2024 @07:30PM (#64864801) Journal
    And it's kind of counterintuitive [accidentalscientist.com]. But if it makes a difference in your behavior and cognition, well ... [youtu.be]
  • I have a formal diagnosis.... and a lot of those videos are absolute bollocks. Like, regular everyday stuff - but it's "I'm so ADHD!" and usually from "self-diagnosed" people.
    • by Revek ( 133289 )
      I went and got diagnosed due to those kinds of videos. My diagnosis didn't change anything other than I started getting medication. Trashing people who self diagnose is a type of shaming. I self diagnosed and then I followed up with an actual diagnosis. You make it sound like you worked hard for your diagnosis and how dare someone think they have it without working as hard as you did.

      Many of them could very well be from my background where everyone around me is scared of therapist and psychiatrist.
      • Well... your meds obviously don't make you as chill as mine do for me, lol. That's a pretty big assumption you've made about me - I made no claims of "working hard" for a diagnosis, nor do I take issue with people who seek diagnosis - in fact I encourage it within my circles and share as much information as I can about the process.

        What I do take issue with is people who are undiagnosed, spreading misinformation.

  • by zawarski ( 1381571 ) on Monday October 14, 2024 @07:56PM (#64864845)
    You have not been paying attention.
  • by 4wdloop ( 1031398 ) on Monday October 14, 2024 @09:05PM (#64864919)

    25% of ADHD is not a sickness necessarely. E.g. consider there is ~20% of people of color in the USA...and ~50% of opposite sex (rounding up the average). So it could be a normally occuring variance, maybe even evolutionary adaptation producing more flexible human population?

    • I subscribe to normal human variance "neurodiverse" views of adhd and autism.
      Honestly if it wasn't dealing with society I'd be pretty happy. I'm useful too, I don't notice when I'm hot, cold, tired, or hurt as well as other people do. I devote time to thinking about things other people don't. Maybe i read an interesting article here, or an interesting nerd project I might daydream about it for weeks putting way more mental energy into the idea than most people would.

      But also people notice that I'm off,

  • ADHD: "I think I have it, but then...WHOA lookit that three-pointer! The Celtics are on fire tonight!

    Depression: "I think I'm depressed...but I don't care."

    OCD: "I think I have OCD...but that statement has seven syllables, so I can't end a sentence on it."

    Narcissism: "I think I have narcissism...the best, most flattering kind."

    Paranoia: "I think I'm paranoid...but maybe that's what THEY want me to think."

    Social anxiety: "I think I have social anxiety...what do you guys think?"

    Psychopathy:
  • by ledow ( 319597 )

    If a quarter of people have it, and that's growing, it soon won't matter.

    Because once more than 50% of people have it, it's then by definition "normal". And like a bunch of conditions that "most people" have, we'll possibly mostly stop treating it.

    But as the summary says: "An estimated 4.4% of people ages 18 to 44 have ADHD, and some people aren't diagnosed until they're older."

    In reality then, probably 4/5 people who think they have it, don't.
    Those 4/5 people are really doing a disservice to those that do

  • Disclaimer: ADHD candidate here.

    Having the diagnosis after decades of struggling did help get a handle on my problems.

    However, there are varying professional opinions on what ADHD actually is and if it even is a disorder or only a special set of cognitive inclinations. And I tend to agree with most of them, depending on details and perspective.

    Jordan Peterson - who isn't an exert on this particular issue - claims it's simply high trait openness, high trait creativity mixed in with medium neuroticism and med

    • The truth is: Anyone who has come to terms with his "ADHD" most certainly does _not_ live a "regular" life. I, for example, have embraced minimalism and have only scratched the surface of my adventurous streak. I'm 54 and live in a single room apartment and plan to downshift even further to make room for extended adventures, perhaps a travel-enduro, paraglyding, kitesurfing and a few other things.

      The simple life is such a good coping strategy. Just don't have anything, don't sign up for shit.
      You won't waste your time taking care of the things you own, lots of money in the bank to do literally anything you want any time. Shit is not compatible with girlfriends though.

      But it goes to show the lengths that adhd people will go to in order to cope. Nobody lives like a monk wondering why the rest of the world acts differently unless they're wired differently. ADHD is definitely a thing.

  • by dlarge6510 ( 10394451 ) on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @07:45AM (#64865665)

    > That's raising concerns about the consequences of self-diagnosis leading to incorrect treatment.

    In 2024 you can literally go online, be consulted by a "doctor" in their bedroom via Zoom, get an official diagnosis of ADHD as well as other conditions and then within the space of a short video call inteval be prescribed, all officially, ritalin and other drugs.

  • There are legitimately people with ADHD (and PTSD, and autism, etc., etc.). But everyone's being told that there's a hierarchy of privilege, and we're being told where we are on that hierarchy, and in some extreme cases being told that if we're too high on that hierarchy we need to step aside and let other people have the job we're applying for. So if you can't see how that creates a bizarre incentive to reclassify yourself with some kind of special group or condition, then you're wilfully ignorant.

    I read

  • by eepok ( 545733 ) on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @11:35AM (#64866225) Homepage

    The key sentence in the summary is (emphasis added): A new national survey of 1,000 American adults commissioned by The Ohio State University Wexner Medical Center and College of Medicine finds that 25% of adults NOW SUSPECT THEY MAY HAVE undiagnosed ADHD.

    Who was surveyed?
    English-speaking/reading people who answered their telephone between August 16 – August 18, 2024 (n=31) or took an online survey (n=975).

    Possible bias: The vast majority of respondents were surveyed online and habitual internet use has been shown to exacerbate ADHD symptoms. (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022395623004703?via%3Dihub ) The relationship between problematic internet use and attention deficit, hyperactivity and impulsivity: A meta-analysis.

    Why would people suspect that they have ADHD?
    1. They have an idea of what ADHD is (whether or not it's medically correct).
    2. They see those characteristics in themselves.
    3. They have an idea what "normal" attentiveness is (whether or not it's medically correct).
    4. They DON'T see those characteristics in themselves.

    Here's my prediction on the matter:
    1. Modern entertainment (including social media and infotainment) is so fast paced, is engineered to exploit our natural attention to sudden changes in color/movement/sound and saturates our lives.
    2. Long-term exposure to constant sudden changes to color/movement/sound forces the human brain to adapt and begin to expecting/predicting/anticipating changes even when it's not necessary (similar to the effects of PTSD on brain chemistry).
    3. The population that is most exposed to this (web users) responded to the survey and self-appraise as symptomatic.
    4. The internet users also get fed expectations on performance, excellence, and achievement and note that they don't have that stuff so something must be wrong.
    5. If you compare this self-appraisal data with those who do NOT have regular internet access, you will get wildly different results.

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