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CERN To Expel Hundreds of Russian Scientists (semafor.com) 44

Posted by msmash from the tough-luck dept.
An anonymous reader shares a report: CERN, the European particle-physics collaboration that operates the Large Hadron Collider, will expel hundreds of Russian-affiliated scientists from its laboratories. The Geneva-based organization decided to cut ties with Moscow after Russia's 2022 invasion of Ukraine, ending nearly 60 years of collaboration, and the agreements are now lapsing.

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CERN To Expel Hundreds of Russian Scientists

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  • I kind of feel for them (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Baron_Yam ( 643147 ) on Friday September 20, 2024 @02:05PM (#64803297)

    Scientists just want to turn out science, but at the same time... Russia's really earned international pariah status.

    • Yeah, most scientists I have known (not met, actually known) are pretty apolitical unless you threaten their research! Admittedly I have mostly known only Chinese and American scientists... I have only known ONE Russian scientist and he had come to the USA because of funding for his research being cut, otherwise, he would have stayed in Russia.

    • Re:I kind of feel for them (Score:5, Insightful)

      by 93 Escort Wagon ( 326346 ) on Friday September 20, 2024 @02:13PM (#64803321)

      Scientists just want to turn out science

      That is not always true. And, even if that is their personal feelings, since they and their loved ones are under the thumb of a dictator - they may be forced to do other things we might prefer they not be able to do. Spying, for instance... or even sabotage.

    • Re:I kind of feel for them (Score:5, Insightful)

      by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) on Friday September 20, 2024 @02:16PM (#64803335) Homepage Journal

      There are a lot of issues to consider. Could any of the science at CERN help Russia in its illegal war against Ukraine? CERN does a lot more than just the LHC. It was where the World Wide Web was invented, for example. CERN is behind KiCad and other useful software.

      Renewing the agreements would have been a legal minefield for CERN.

      • Re:I kind of feel for them (Score:4, Insightful)

        by Tailhook ( 98486 ) on Friday September 20, 2024 @02:31PM (#64803389)

        Could any of the science at CERN help Russia in its illegal war against Ukraine?

        Yes. Experience gained by working scientists with advanced electronics of the sort found at a CERN site (high performance DACs, ADCs, oscillators, lasers, world class instruments, etc.) that might not be available within Russia due to sanctions is extremely valuable in military applications. This would include access to proprietary development tools, documentation, specialized instruments, access to vendors, etc. All of these things are used in radar, guidance, communication and satellite systems.

      • Could any of the science at CERN help Russia in its illegal war against Ukraine?

        No, it's clearly specified in Article II [web.cern.ch] of CERN's founding charter that CERN "shall have no concern with work for military requirements and the results of its experimental and theoretical work shall be published or otherwise made generally available.". Given this it is hard to see how anyone on either side could gain an advantage since both would be aware of any research since it is made public.

      • Probably, kicking them out of CERN also means invalidating their visas, so they will be kicked out of the whole Schengen area.

    • Kinda. You will find some politically inclined scientists that will do unspeakable things, knowingly.

  • This is off the main topic, but related.
    I tried to mod up a comment as Insightful.
    Upon doing so, the post was ranked as "Score 2, Troll".
    This is not the first time I have seen this happen, and lately I have seen a number of comments marked "troll" when there was no rational reason for such.

    I am posting this note primarily to undo my munged moderation, but also, I think there may be a behind-the-scenes error in how the mod points are handled depending on the starting level.

    • That was probably because somebody else modded it troll and your preferences give the troll rating more weight.

      What you actually did by posting was leave that troll point as the (currently) only point on the post.

    • If the person you modded is anything like me, they take pride in receiving score 2: Troll. It's only a shame that score 5: Troll isn't possible anymore. Those were the good ol' days. You see, being an informative troll is the best kind of trolling.

    • This is off the main topic, but related.
      I tried to mod up a comment as Insightful.
      Upon doing so, the post was ranked as "Score 2, Troll".
      This is not the first time I have seen this happen, and lately I have seen a number of comments marked "troll" when there was no rational reason for such.

      I am posting this note primarily to undo my munged moderation, but also, I think there may be a behind-the-scenes error in how the mod points are handled depending on the starting level.

      I mod a lot of comments one way that comes out another way. For example, I'll mod something "insightful" and have it come up "informative".

      If I had to guess I'd say that the comment retains its first mod type. An original 2-level comment has no type, but once someone mods it then it keeps that mod.

      I've also modded things up that became "funny", or that I thought were funny and came up as something else. I've also had my own comments modded *down* as insightful, and so on. I figure it's just trolls striking

    • See where it says (example) '(Score: 2)'? Click directly on 'Score', and it'll pop up a window that shows you how the composite score breaks down; if the percentage of 'Troll' moderation points outweighs everything else, then it'll say 'Troll'.

    • I haven't looked at Slashcode in a decade but the label used to be the plurality mod.

      So two Insightfuls and an Interesting would get you an Insightful. And the number is just mathematical - but your preferences, the poster's preferences, your zoo relationship, your relationships' zoo relationship, etc. all modify what you see as the number.

      "It's complicated."

      I'm old enough to remember when Slashcode got updated and when Technocrat fixed all the bugs. :sigh:

      Here's to 25-yr-old perl code that still hums alon

  • Maybe it's been too much of a whirlwind of IT anomalies straight from the Bermuda Triangle this week and my brain is fried but I read that as they're launching them at the speed of light out of the accelerator.

  • Did they kick out American scientists when the US found all those weapons of mass destruction? Oh I see, suddenly humanity's energy future isn't important shen "ze badde guize" are doing it?
    Oh and I suppose they'll stop using toksmaks too?
    Spineless bootlicking hypocrites at CERN.
    In any case it's meaningless, fusion power is as hopeless as peace in the Middle East ...

  • I never thought CERN would do something like this given that one of its founding goals (in Article II of its charter) was to promote "international co-operation in nuclear research". I've spent many years working at CERN both locally and remotely and remember the Soviet scientists working at CERN towards the end of the Cold War period.

    Dragging international scientific research into the political arena is not a good idea. Yes, the Russian government has behaved appallingly but that was equally true of the

  • What a lot of bollocks.

  • Tilte: CERN To Expel Hundreds of Russian Scientists

    Summary: [...] will expel hundreds of Russian-affiliated scientists [...]

    Being "Russian" and "Russian-affiliated" aren't the same thing. Get some freakin' editorial standards, Slashdot!

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