Apple Co-Founder Steve Wozniak Hospitalized In Mexico City 84
Long-time Slashdot reader Alain Williams writes: Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak is in the hospital in Mexico, according to multiple reports.
It is not currently clear what the cause is. The 73-year-old was in Mexico City attending the World Business Forum (WBF), a business conference. [According to TMZ, Wozniak finished his speech but then told his wife he was "feeling strange." She reportedly insisted he go to the hospital.] An unnamed source from the WBF said that Mr Wozniak fainted on Wednesday at the event [minutes before his participation], according to CNN. TMZ reports that Wozniak was hospitalized after "suffering what appears to be vertigo." Mexican media outlets were reporting that it was due to a possible stroke.
It is not currently clear what the cause is. The 73-year-old was in Mexico City attending the World Business Forum (WBF), a business conference. [According to TMZ, Wozniak finished his speech but then told his wife he was "feeling strange." She reportedly insisted he go to the hospital.] An unnamed source from the WBF said that Mr Wozniak fainted on Wednesday at the event [minutes before his participation], according to CNN. TMZ reports that Wozniak was hospitalized after "suffering what appears to be vertigo." Mexican media outlets were reporting that it was due to a possible stroke.
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I agree with you - flamebait.
I was never an Apple fanboi or Apple customer - but I definitely RESPECT the ingenuity, creativity, and dedication of Apple's founders Jobs & The Woz.
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I agree with you - flamebait.
I was never an Apple fanboi or Apple customer - but I definitely RESPECT the ingenuity, creativity, and dedication of Apple's founders Jobs & The Woz.
It isn't flame bait, it is just a reflection on the efficacy of thoughts and prayers. If you were sick and had to make a choice between medical treatment and prayers, would you choose only medical treatment that is known to work, or nothing but thoughts and prayers?
I hope that Woz regains good health. I hope he is getting excellent care and treatment. But no, my hope is not responsible for his recovery. Nor are prayers.
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False dichotomy. I'm not Wozs' physician but I can still pray too, without it interfering with his health care.
Please explain why you feel it's one or the other.
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If you were sick and had to make a choice between medical treatment and prayers, would you choose only medical treatment that is known to work, or nothing but thoughts and prayers? False dichotomy.
Pretty much all hypotheticals are false dichotomy. But it is just asking what you would rather do. And before you get too high on your 10 horned first beast, there are a number of religions that don't believe in many aspects of modern medicine, from Glotia Copeland, who sat on Trump's evangelical advisory board who believes that Jesus negates the need for a flu shot, saying "We’ve already had our shot: He bore our sicknesses and carried our diseases,” He redeemed us from the curse of flu, an
Re: please pray for him (Score:2)
While youâ(TM)re right that Christian Scientists do choose prayer over medicine, their numbers have declined to under 50,000: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wik... [wikipedia.org]. This number is so small compared with the total population of religious people that it makes them basically unrepresentative for this discussion. In most cases, the person youâ(TM)re replying to is right: itâ(TM)s not a mutually exclusive decision and in most cases medicine and prayer can go hand in hand. For the people who believe
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Christian Scientists do choose prayer over medicine, their numbers have declined to under 50,000:
I wonder why that might have been
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Christian Scientists do choose prayer over medicine, their numbers have declined to under 50,000:
I wonder why that might have been
The strangest name ever. "Scientist" is right in their name, and a core principle of their religion is rejecting science.
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Christian Scientists do choose prayer over medicine, their numbers have declined to under 50,000:
I wonder why that might have been
Heheh
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While youâ(TM)re right that Christian Scientists do choose prayer over medicine, their numbers have declined to under 50,000: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wik... [wikipedia.org]. This number is so small compared with the total population of religious people that it makes them basically unrepresentative for this discussion.
You are skirting on the no true Scotsman defense. I only give some examples of the angry christian god's followers.
In most cases, the person youâ(TM)re replying to is right: itâ(TM)s not a mutually exclusive decision and in most cases medicine and prayer can go hand in hand. For the people who believe in prayer, it can bring some peace and hope to their minds while the medicine works on their bodies, and for onlookers, prayer can be helpful to themselves too.
However, this started out as one of the angry desert god's followers whining about atheists having the temerity of ramming their beliefs down other people's throats. More on that later in this post.
But you are correct, Medical treatment and prayer can co exist. So can medical treatment and writing a novel. perhaps the afflicted will be happier, either cured or meeting their maker with joy. Bu
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While youâ(TM)re right that ...
Let's pray for your iPhone...
... that it shall be dropped down a toilet, and replaced with an Android!
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It ainâ(TM)t gonna happen. Thereâ(TM)s more chance that /. will fix their bugs
If that make you feels better sure go for it (Score:2)
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Publicly praying for someone without them specifically requesting it is offensive. How do you even know your belief system aligns with theirs? Based on your response, I'm assuming you're a Christian. How would you feel if you were sick and a bunch of strangers chose to make a spectacle of holding a Satanic ritual in your name?
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And neither would people commenting about the ineffectiveness of prayer on a Slashdot story help with his recovery...
Probably a wise move dropping to christian coward level
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Right. And it is equally simple that by that very same definition, atheism is a religion.
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Atheism is a religion if its followers continue to believe there is no god, even in the face of evidence otherwise. Maybe some nasty Atheists like Richard Dawkins behave like itâ(TM)s a religion. Personally, it looks to me like the probability thereâ(TM)s a god is so low that it probably doesnâ(TM)t exist. Many people would classify me as an Atheist, but I donâ(TM)t see how. Itâ(TM)s not something on my mind. I donâ(TM)t think or worry about it or let it shape my life in a
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You seem a lot less unhinged than the other guy.
To me, when deploying the tools of the scientific method and all the discoveries of mankind to date, there's nothing to indicate one way or the other, even probabilistically. In fact, I would argue that when asked "what was the progenitive cause of everything that exists", there is nothing so far. The Big Bang theory suggests a mechanism by which "everything" started, but it does not say anything about the cause. By necessity, we cannot go any father back othe
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Atheism is not religion.
It has no pope, no believes, no priests.
The word itself says it: absence of religion.
If you are an Atheist and _believe_ in _there is no god_ then you are not an Atheist, but: ... so, make up your mind. As long as you _belive_ in something: you are not an Atheist.
a believer in there is no god
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I canâ(TM)t prove it either way, but lack of knowledge or inability to explore further isnâ(TM)t evidence that there is a greater being that caused it. Look at how humanityâ(TM)s understanding of the world has changed in the last 1,000 years and the trivial things that we take for granted today that were incomprehensible in the past. Iâ(TM)m perfectly happy to accept my ignorance and that this wonâ(TM)t be resolved in my lifetime. Actually, the hardest concept for me isnâ(TM)
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You're confused - atheists don't have beliefs.
Correct, not believing in any god is as much a belief as not collecting stamps is a hobby.
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Why are atheists always trying to shove their beliefs down everyone's throat?
Waddya mean? I'm a firm believer in the one true god, The Flying Spaghetti Monster, and his emissary on earth, Ganesha. Have you been touched by his noodly appendage? But let's face it, as for ramming down throats, no one beats the followers of the angry desert god https://www.pewresearch.org/re... [pewresearch.org]
It is becoming an official Republican thing https://www.politico.com/news/... [politico.com]
Hey let me tell ya a little story about religion - My cousin was repeated raped as an altar boy. THe preist - a devout Christian w
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If you want to reee about my comments, just remember who you are supporting.
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It isn't flame bait, it is just a reflection on the efficacy of thoughts and prayers.
You know it's possible to just accept that comment, "I'll pray for you" as a demonstration of concern and wish for you to get better, right? It's not the dichotomy you make it out to be.
I lived in the South, I've been on the receiving end of the "I'll pray for you" in the smug context. I did something they morally disapprove of, now they're gonna pray for my eternal soul. If that was the context here, I'd be behind you calling it out, but it's not the context. If a theist tells a sick person they'll pr
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It isn't flame bait, it is just a reflection on the efficacy of thoughts and prayers.
You know it's possible to just accept that comment, "I'll pray for you" as a demonstration of concern and wish for you to get better, right? It's not the dichotomy you make it out to be.
It's a hypothetical. It just asks you to make a choice. And the reaction shows that it's a real trigger for many. Remember, this started out as a child of the angry desert god asking why atheisets try to ram stuff down people's throats.
Why? because it's damn good fun to watch y'all get pissed off. Don't like it? Well, best way to get me to stop is to not reply with your umbrage.
I also pointed out that it isn't a dichotomy, but that various christian sects do not hold with medical treatment, sometime
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"a reflection on the efficacy of thoughts and prayers." It's Flame Bate because this is a post about a Slashdot worthy character Steve Wozniak that many of us would enjoy to discuss. Then when someone's mentions good will toward him, you turn this in to a Christianity Verses Atheism debate which is a flaming story that would overshadow this posting.
I see. So the orders are to shut up.
I note I wish for a speedy and full recovery for Steve, not only because he is a worthy in computing history, but just like I would for anyone. That's good will.
But asking god to be responsible for his return to health is disingenuous. You demand that people must insert their religion, and others must not utter a word that does not fit the apparently official and sacrosanct narrative.
So okay - want to know why this gets people in a spunky mood? Every time that so
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So you don't like prayer but you have no problem with wishing. What do you feel is the practical difference between these two?
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I note I wish for a speedy and full recovery for Steve, not only because he is a worthy in computing history, but just like I would for anyone. That's good will.
So you don't like prayer but you have no problem with wishing. What do you feel is the practical difference between these two?
Prayer is a solemn request to a god or other figure (catholics often pray to saints) for help in a situation or giving thanks. It is also often used as a request to the god to protect people - think of the children's prayer, "God bless mommy, God bless Daddy," and so on.
Wishing is a strong desire or hope for something that might not be easily attainable. My wish for Woz is not going out to any god or saint. It is just that I would very much like to keep him around longer.
I hope he gets better soon doe
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'A rational person would believe in the existence of God, because they have everything to gain if they're right, but nothing to lose if they're wrong'
as long as the teachings purported to be from those being are good there is no harm in praying it may help although likely it won't
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like that will help...
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Praying for hoss and his wife Barb
Alexa why wonâ(TM)t it let me use my CAPSLOCK key
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he's already been discharged and on a flight back home.
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Thanks for the update. I don't know him personally, but several of my friends do, so it's good to hear that he's okay.
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Thanks for the update. I don't know him personally, but several of my friends do, so it's good to hear that he's okay.
I got an email from his mailing list last night (10/8/23) at 10:55 pm. ET. So, after he was back in the US.
Just a usual, newsy pass-along email about the robot crushing that guy. But it shows he is not down for the count!
I have known him since 1978. A very unique, talented and kind individual!
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and our insurance company didn't want to foot the bill.
Your insurance company doesn't have a choice. Under the ACA they have to cover preventive health care, vaccines included, at no cost to you. Some are trying to weasel out of this with a creative reading of that section of the ACA but when challenged by a sufficiently loud consumer (side note: Your HR Department should be doing this for you) will fold like a cheap suit. There was also, for a while, some legitimate billing/coding issues going on behind the scenes, but those should be resolved now.
I went
Re:Get ya booster (Score:4)
You know there's a lot of steps you can take between "ask customer service nicely" and "file an expensive lawsuit", right?
All health insurance has an internal appeals process. Start there. It will consume non-zero amounts of their time and at least half the time you'll win.
If that fails, all 50 States have their own insurance regulator. File a complaint there. Simply responding to that complaint will cost them more money than just paying for your vaccine. I've won denials of payments for things significantly more expensive than the COVID-19 vaccine by doing this.
If that fails, and it never has for me in the health insurance context, check your policy to see if it has a binding arbitration clause. People think those are anti-consumer and in many contexts they can be, but in this context, it's a win for you. Those clauses virtually always commit the corporation, not the consumer, to paying the arbitration filing fee. Guess what? That fee is $2,000 [jamsadr.com]. You think they're gonna eat a $2,000 fee, plus hourly legal fees (they'll be represented by counsel) to weasel out of paying for a $100 and change vaccine? File for arbitration, serve them with notice of having done so, and watch how quickly they fold. When I've taken consumer complaints this far I have won 100% of the time. If it gets this far, I ask for (and receive) some extra money for my trouble.
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"You know there's a lot of steps you can take between "ask customer service nicely" and "file an expensive lawsuit", right?"
He's American. So no, he doesn't know that.
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I'm an American too, lol, and unlike idiots that just speculate about lawsuits, I've actually filed and won a few of them. There's a lot you have to do before you run to the court house, if you want to win that is, it's basically exhaust all options before it gets to that point. The people that think the court house is the FIRST stop probably learned everything they know about the law from Judge Judy.
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Feel better! (Score:4)
Not sure Woz still frequents these parts, but if he does.. Best wishes Woz!
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He must be new here.
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Infrequent commenter?
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Not sure Woz still frequents these parts, but if he does.. Best wishes Woz!
He does.
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Not sure Woz still frequents these parts, but if he does.. Best wishes Woz!
UID 7?!?
[Vader_Voice] Im-pressive!
Best wishes for the nice Apple guy (Score:2)
No! (Score:2)
First Trotsky, now Woz? If you're well-known you definitely should avoid Mexico City!
(Hope you feel better, Woz)
The reason is obvious (Score:1)
He clearly drank the water.
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You can drink bottled water, but it's harder to avoid breathing the air.
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He clearly drank the water.
My money is on street tacos. Pick the right cart and they are worth the risk though.
I care about Woz (Score:5, Insightful)
He's a man I genuinely look up to: not only is he one of the rare people who got ultra-rich from tech who isn't a disgusting and despicable individual and actually deserved what he got fair and square, he in fact has genuine ethics and honest-to-goodness charisma.
If 10% of Silicon Valley execs were like him, Big Tech would be a much more respectful and humane industry, and would probably spew out less crappy and more efficient products too.
Truly my childhood hero. Stay well Woz.
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Blood pressure check first (Score:2)
I had similar occurence this fall: first noticeable weakness of the heart rhytm, followed in ten or fifteen minutes with a vertigo. Called for medical help, as it's quite unusual. The blood pressure was way above the normal. In my opinion, there are several thing meeting to such result:
a) Drop of the fall as a period of the lifecycle
b) My unfortunate habit to start day with a coffee - especially hefty use of robusta in mixes, as it's hefty on caffeine
c) Another habit of allowing industrial grade sweets late
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The 'good' Steve (Score:2)
I wish The Woz well, he always treated people with respect and had none of the awful character traits of his partner. He's a class act!