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NASA Officials Sound Alarm Over Future of the Deep Space Network (arstechnica.com) 49

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: NASA officials sounded an alarm Tuesday about the agency's Deep Space Network, a collection of antennas in California, Spain, and Australia used to maintain contact with missions scattered across the Solar System. Everything from NASA's Artemis missions to the Moon to the Voyager probes in interstellar space rely on the Deep Space Network (DSN) to receive commands and transmit data back to Earth. Suzanne Dodd, who oversees the DSN in her position at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, likes to highlight the network's importance by showing gorgeous images from missions like the James Webb Space Telescope and the Perseverance rover on Mars. "All these images, and all these great visuals for the public, and all the science for the scientists come down through the Deep Space Network," Dodd said Tuesday in a meeting of the NASA Advisory Council's Science Committee.

But Dodd doesn't take a starry-eyed view of the challenges operating the Deep Space Network. She said there are currently around 40 missions that rely on the DSN's antennas to stay in communication with controllers and scientists back on Earth. Another 40-plus missions will join the roster over the next decade or so, and many of the 40 missions currently using time on the network will likely still be operating over that time. "We have more missions coming than we currently are flying," Dodd said. "We're nearly doubling the load on the DSN. A lot of those are either lunar exploration or Artemis missions, and a lot of Artemis precursor missions with commercial vendors. So the load is increasing, and it's very stressful to us." "It's oversubscribed, yet it's vital to anything the agency wants to do," she said.

Vint Cerf, an Internet pioneer who is now an executive at Google, sits on the committee Dodd met with Tuesday. After hearing from Dodd and other NASA managers, Cerf said: "The deep space communications system is in deep -- well, let me use a better word, deficit. There's a four-letter word that occurs to me, too." Because astronauts are involved, the Artemis missions will come with unique requirements on the DSN. "We're not going to have bits of data. We're going to have gigabits of data," said Philip Baldwin, acting director of the network services division at JPL. "I don't want 1080p for video resolution. I want 8K video." Each of the three stations on the Deep Space Network has a 70-meter (230-foot) dish antenna, the largest antennas in the world for deep space communications. Each location also has at least three 112-foot (34-meter) antennas. The oldest of the large antennas in California entered service in 1966, then was enlarged to its 70-meter diameter in 1988. "We have reached a really critical point on the DSN's aging infrastructure," said Sandra Cauffman, deputy director of NASA's astrophysics division.

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NASA Officials Sound Alarm Over Future of the Deep Space Network

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  • by Anonymous Coward
    I was confused when they mentioned Artemis. I've never heard of the moon being in "deep space". Turns out the Deep Space Network had to redefine "deep space".

    The moon is only 382,500 km away. This is the wrong technology for talking to the moon.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      I guess we've found the pedant in the room. It's "deep space" because its coverage extends to deep space. It doesn't mean that everything that it talks to has to be that far away.

    • Highways aren't supposed to be on the ground; they are supposed to be high. What idiot keeps putting highways on the ground. I guess they just need to redefine "high"... idiots...
    • Anything beyond geostationary orbit height is deep space. The word deep is relative, for example the deep end of a swimming pool might only be 6 ft.

      • by rossdee ( 243626 ) on Thursday August 31, 2023 @09:51AM (#63812074)

        "the deep end of a swimming pool might only be 6 ft."

        Great. Now we are going to be measuring 'deep space' in Olympic swimming pools.

        • Great. Now we are going to be measuring 'deep space' in Olympic swimming pools.

          OSPs are a bad unit for volume because there is no standard depth. The specified depth is at least two meters, but there is no maximum.

          The length is also unspecified. 50 meters is the distance to the touch panel, not the distance between the ends of the pool.

        • According to A guy who seems to know what he's talking about [stackexchange.com] the volume of the universe is 415065000000 lyr^3. According to Wikipedia [wikipedia.org] the volume of an Olympic sized swimming pool is 2500 m^3.

          1ly= about 9460700000000000 meters. Divide by 2500 for 3784280000000. Multiply by 415065000000. The volume of the known universe in swimming pools is 1.5707221782e+24. Subtract the total volume of the non-deep-space area of the universe (6300 km for the earth plus 35000km for geosynchronous orbit height=41300 km, total
        • How many Rhode Islands is that?

    • by hackertourist ( 2202674 ) on Thursday August 31, 2023 @10:14AM (#63812128)

      Currently, the DSN is used for basically every mission above geostationary orbit. This includes the moon and e.g. the Lagrange points.

      NASA is trying to address this by building Lunar Exploration Ground Sites [nasa.gov] (LEGS) to take over most communication with lunar missions.

    • by sjames ( 1099 )

      So, do you refuse to drive on the interstate unless you expect to cross at least one state border during your trip?

    • My understanding has always been that anything outside the magnetosphere is Deep Space, in practical terms.

      The definition will change over time, of course. It will come to mean anything outside of Earth's influence. Then it will mean outside the inner solar system. Then outside the planetary disk. Then outside the solar system itself.
  • ...that this is something long past review, maintenance, and serious investment.
    It's not - ahem - "rocket science" to see that the data-management necessity for space missions is something that's only going to grow*.

    But let me also observe that the US as a country is the wealthiest society that has EVER EXISTED IN HUMAN HISTORY...but we still want so much stuff, we have to borrow 20-25% of our budget every year against the future conviction that we'll be wealthier then than we are today.

    I don't have a solut

  • Lunar Gateway (Score:3, Interesting)

    by sursurrus ( 796632 ) on Thursday August 31, 2023 @09:10AM (#63811946)

    Antennas don't have to be as durable in microgravity. Mount them on the Lunar Gateway which NASA is already planning. Have it be a hub that stores incoming transmissions and transmits them down to Earth as bandwith is available.

    The 8K video example is ridiculous. This is interplanetary space, some tradeoffs are required

    • Re: (Score:2, Troll)

      by sjames ( 1099 )

      When you're already spending umpty million dollars to get something into space, you might as well use the best camera you can get rather than an old instamatic.

      • This is a discussion about bandwith over solar-system scale distance. Get off your iphone and try learning something

    • by yatpay ( 1035898 )
      Gateway uses DSN. That's part of the problem.
      • That's the plan, currently. However, I see no reason that it can't be switched to using LEGS once that's operational.
  • by spaceman375 ( 780812 ) on Thursday August 31, 2023 @09:40AM (#63812040)
    Want to see what they are doing in realtime? Linky [nasa.gov]
  • Points of Failure (Score:4, Interesting)

    by necro81 ( 917438 ) on Thursday August 31, 2023 @09:42AM (#63812046) Journal
    It has always bugged me that there isn't more global coverage for such an important piece of infrastructure. The three sites (California, Spain, and Australia) span the entire globe - longitudinally speaking - but there isn't a whole lot of overlap. And although there are multiple dishes at each site, they tend to have different purposes. The Voyager probes, for instance, I think can only be received by the largest dish at each facility. All this to say: if we lost one dish at one facility, we'd probably have a gap in coverage for some period of time.
    • by necro81 ( 917438 ) on Thursday August 31, 2023 @09:49AM (#63812070) Journal
      First priority, in my opinion, would be to expand the capabilities at each of the existing locations: upgrade the transceivers, add another dish or two if space permits.

      Next priority, though, would be to add new locations, roughly spaced in between the existing locations. Likely candidates would be: 1) attached to the ESA's launch facility in French Guyana, 2) somewhere in India, and 3) Hawaii, maybe, but ideally a bit farther west like Samoa.
      • Next priority, though, would be to add new locations, roughly spaced in between the existing locations. Likely candidates would be: 1) attached to the ESA's launch facility in French Guyana,

        Nope. Your want receivers in deserts, not rain forests! Rain kills the reception. (And preferably, high altitude deserts: at the shortest wavelengths, even humidity drops the signal.)

        2) somewhere in India,

        Not a bad idea, if you're thinking the desert areas of Rajasthan, or other parts of the northwest.

        and 3) Hawaii, maybe,

        Good idea. But space on the mountaintops is limited, and there's a lot of pushback against even the new large telescopes; doubt you'd ever get permission to put up a hundred meter radio dish. (Might try the Haleakal High Altitude

        • If you want desert, either Afghanistan or Pakistan would probably be your best bet in that part of the world. For one on one of the Hawaiian islands. consider HaleakalÄ, on Maui. Yes, it's still considered active, but there's not been an eruption in over 500 years.
          • by XXongo ( 3986865 )

            If you want desert, either Afghanistan or Pakistan would probably be your best bet in that part of the world.

            You're seriously suggesting that the US build critical (and expensive) space infrastructure in Afghanistan or Pakistan?

            For one on one of the Hawaiian islands. consider HaleakalÄ, on Maui. Yes, it's still considered active, but there's not been an eruption in over 500 years.

            Yes, I suggested that as a reasonable choice.

            • I was only thinking of the technical requirements, not the political. Depending on where the other sites are located, there are probably politically stable places in Africa. I wouldn't even consider anywhere in the Middle East, although Anatolia might be acceptable.
      • ESA has its own DSN, with 30 meter dishes in Spain, Australia and Argentina. NASA and ESA can and do use each other's groundstations if necessary.

    • Re:Points of Failure (Score:4, Informative)

      by hackertourist ( 2202674 ) on Thursday August 31, 2023 @11:51AM (#63812388)

      The Voyager signals can be received by linking several 34-m dishes in an array. The 70 m antennas are required to send commands to the Voyagers; this is due to a combination of antenna gain and transmitter power (the 70 m dishes have 100 kW transmitters, while the 34 m dishes have 20 kW transmitters).

      NASA is refurbishing 34 m antennas to all have the same receiver/transmitter capabilities, to improve redundancy, the Voyagers may remain an exception.

  • by necro81 ( 917438 ) on Thursday August 31, 2023 @09:44AM (#63812058) Journal
    For those who are interested*, there is a page that has a live view of which dish at each facility is communicating to which mission: https://eyes.nasa.gov/dsn/dsn.html [nasa.gov]

    * Speaking of interest: how is it that *this* article, which is definitely News For Nerds, only has a dozen or so comments? I guess because it doesn't have an obvious political angle, people are less inclined to chime in?
  • Scrap SLS and switch to Starship saving billions.
    now here is the key
    50% of those saved billions stay in NASA to be used as needed, the rest can be pissed away as standard government procedure.
    • If they were interested in doing something that made sense, they already woulda.
    • by XXongo ( 3986865 )

      Scrap SLS and switch to Starship saving billions.

      Might want to wait until Starship flies at least once. Successfully.

  • by Bruce66423 ( 1678196 ) on Thursday August 31, 2023 @10:50AM (#63812228)

    Cute new toy: cue the media.

    Repair an old toy? No sale

    This is why highways and bridges fall into disrepair, etc etc.

    In THIS case there's a good argument that the new projects demanding service from the network should be charged explicitly for using it, given that getting extra funding for most of the projects that do now - with the probable exception of Voyager - is a lost cause.

  • They just need to create a network of all those dishes that people have mounted on their houses.

  • by bill_mcgonigle ( 4333 ) * on Thursday August 31, 2023 @12:49PM (#63812526) Homepage Journal

    If something is a problem government agencies "sound the alarm" and "paint a dire picture" which is just an emotional BS part of a plan to beg for more money.

    Watch for this behavior.

    A private company evaluates priorities and allocates budgets based on priorities.

    The DSN is important but NASA does a lot of unmandated BS work that isn't as important.

    Not being able to give anything up is how toddlers behave.

    And bureaucrats.

    • This has nothing to do with 'unmandated BS work'.

      The DSN supports missions in space, which are NASA's mandate. The problem is that when deep space missions are approved, insufficient budget is made available to expand the DSN to support the new mission. Worse, while the number of deep space missions has risen, DSN funding has declined, so the existing resources are being spread over more and more missions. Artemis is a case in point. NASA's working on new ground stations specifically for nearby missions for

  • I would think having a decent network on Earth first would be a good idea. E.T. doesn't need access to video card drivers. I do.

  • So they have been lagging behind, not working on a new deep space network that would work with multiple satellites which receives the signals and beams it back to earth, hell, it can even just beam to networks like Starlink and have it send it as 'regular' internet. But luckily laser communication is around the corner so maybe invest much more in that.
    • So they have been lagging behind, not working on a new deep space network that would work with multiple satellites which receives the signals and beams it back to earth, hell, it can even just beam to networks like Starlink and have it send it as 'regular' internet.

      The big phased arrays on Starlink satellites are aimed at the ground, not deep space. I'm sure SpaceX would be delighted to build an outer shell of specially modified Starlink-compatible satellites for deep space activities. NASA hasn't decided to do that yet.

  • This summary, at least, completely ignores all the work by NASA (and partners like MIT Lincoln Lab) in the area of space laser communications over the last decade-plus. In fact, a lasercom terminal capable of 260Mbps from the moon has already been delivered for the Orion capsule. (JWST's Ka-band downlink is "up to" 28Mbps, by comparison.) An unmanned lunar orbiter a decade ago was doing 40-622MBps down via lasercom.

    Yes, optical communication absolutely has its tradeoffs, but NASA has seen it as a way for

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