Red Meat Allergy Caused By Ticks Is an 'Emerging Public Health Concern': CDC (go.com) 116
An anonymous reader quotes a report from ABC News: Alpha-gal syndrome (AGS) is a serious, potentially life-threatening allergic reaction that arises after people eat red meat or consume products with alpha-gal, a type of sugar found in most mammals, the CDC says. The syndrome is typically caused by a bite from the lone star tick, which transfers alpha-gal into the victim's body which in turn triggers an immune system response. The CDC says the number of AGS cases are underdiagnosed in the U.S. and -- despite the spread of the condition -- many clinicians aren't even aware it exists, let alone how to diagnose it. Between 2010 and 2022, there were more than 110,000 cases of AGS identified, according to the CDC.
The agency estimates the actual number of cases may be as high as 450,000 but notes the syndrome is underdiagnosed due to factors including that diagnosis requires a test, some providers are not familiar with AGS and some people with symptoms don't get tested. AGS symptoms can include hives or itchy rash, nausea or vomiting, heartburn or indigestion, diarrhea, shortness of breath, and severe stomach pain. Symptoms can range from mild to severe and typically occur two to six hours after consuming products with alpha-gal. [...] From 2010 to 2018, more than 34,000 suspected cases were identified. However, over the 2017-2022 study period, some 357,000 tests were submitted, resulting in just over 90,000 positive results. The number of new cases increased by about 15,000 each year during the five-year study period, with most cases occurring in the Southern, Midwestern, and Mid-Atlantic U.S., the CDC found. "Alpha-gal syndrome is an important emerging public health problem, with potentially severe health impacts that can last a lifetime for some patients," Dr. Ann Carpenter, and epidemiologist and lead author of one of the CDC studies, said in a statement.
"It's critical for clinicians to be aware of AGS so they can properly evaluate, diagnose, and manage their patients and also educate them on tick-bite prevention to protect patients from developing this allergic condition," she added.
The agency estimates the actual number of cases may be as high as 450,000 but notes the syndrome is underdiagnosed due to factors including that diagnosis requires a test, some providers are not familiar with AGS and some people with symptoms don't get tested. AGS symptoms can include hives or itchy rash, nausea or vomiting, heartburn or indigestion, diarrhea, shortness of breath, and severe stomach pain. Symptoms can range from mild to severe and typically occur two to six hours after consuming products with alpha-gal. [...] From 2010 to 2018, more than 34,000 suspected cases were identified. However, over the 2017-2022 study period, some 357,000 tests were submitted, resulting in just over 90,000 positive results. The number of new cases increased by about 15,000 each year during the five-year study period, with most cases occurring in the Southern, Midwestern, and Mid-Atlantic U.S., the CDC found. "Alpha-gal syndrome is an important emerging public health problem, with potentially severe health impacts that can last a lifetime for some patients," Dr. Ann Carpenter, and epidemiologist and lead author of one of the CDC studies, said in a statement.
"It's critical for clinicians to be aware of AGS so they can properly evaluate, diagnose, and manage their patients and also educate them on tick-bite prevention to protect patients from developing this allergic condition," she added.
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correction: So that's how they're going to get us to stop eating mammals. (I actually got this for more than 10 years now and it sucks because i love burgers and steaks)
Can you tolerate dairy? If so, maybe take phosphatidylserine and dairy together three times a day, and in a year or two, get a skin prick test to see if you still react to meat.
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Where does one get phosphatidylserine from? I mean, what is the source, which foods?
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Where does one get phosphatidylserine from? I mean, what is the source, which foods?
Soy, white beans, and organ meat, mostly. Or you can buy the extracted form as a dietary supplement from probably a hundred companies.
Just for background reading, one form of that substance, lysophosphatidylserine, has been used to deprogram the immune system and teach it to ignore certain substances [buffalo.edu]. The reason that happens, as I understand it, is because it is an extremely common component of the brain and critical organs in humans, and the immune system has evolved over millennia of evolution to avoid
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Where does one get phosphatidylserine from?
It's harvested from the blood of kidnapped children. Ask a Hollywood celebrity, they'll be able to hook you up.
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Why do you skip over fish and fowl and go straight to bugs?
Oh that's right, you're a fucking idiot trying to push the I Will Not Eat the Bugs [knowyourmeme.com] meme
Anybody with half a brain would have stopped eating red meat years ago, since it causes hardening of the arteries [biomedcentral.com]
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Despite their history and popularity, according to the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations (FAO), there are some food safety concerns when considering edible insects:
Allergenic: There is a potential to develop serious allergic reactions to edible insects. For example, people who suffer from seafood allergies should avoid edible insects.
Biological: Many different kinds of bacteria that are known to make people sick have been found in insects including E. coli and Campylobacter. In additio
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A Conspiracy!!! I guess you are onto them now. I have it on evidence, maybe a bit faulty but it is evidence, that the anti-meat people have been breeding ticks for just this outcome. If you contact Fox shortly, you can be the first to bring this Conspiracy to the public...at least the right-wing nut public. Extra points if you can work Hunter Biden's dick into the narrative. Get Marjorie Taylor Greene to help you, she's enamored with Hunter's dick...I hear.
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Eating is one of the greatest pleasures of life....and it's hard to beat a simple cheeseburger or well marbled, perfectly grilled steak.
Or the best of all....slow smoked BBQ.
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Meat (Score:2)
I never understood why it's preferable to kill plants rather than animals. If anything, animals are the worst offenders. Leave the plants alone.
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Do plants have a survival strategy where they actually want you to eat them and spread their seeds, like birds?
Have Jains been thinking about logically consistent nonviolent diet for thousands of years, and have they evolved a principle of harm reduction that eventually leads to the logical conclusion of voluntary self-starvation?
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Yeah appeal to ancient ignorance religion, good idea.
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Yeah, imagine how many cows there would be if we didn't eat beef.
Actually, there wouldn't be that many at all. They certainly wouldn't have enough to kill 5000 of them a day at the beef plant near me. I'm not against people eating meat though. I love steak and good hamburgers.
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In Soviet Russia, do steaks and hamburgers love eating YOU?
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Sure, if your ass is grass.
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In case you leaf-gobblers are confused, this was a quote from Gregory Benford's In the Ocean of Night.
You're not being modded down by leaf gobblers. You're being modded down for a silly statement. The fact you're quoting someone doesn't free you from the consequence of a silly statement in this discussion.
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Nobody is eating plants without killing animals along the way.
I actually like a veggie sub sometimes but I won't pretend that hundreds of insects and some number of birds and pest mammals weren't killed in agriculture, transportation, and disttibution.
Heck, my garden vole traps need rebaiting because the eagles are not keeping up.
Your grocery store is encircled in rat traps
Wake up people - snap out of it!
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Efficiency. If you eat plants, there's a direct path from an energy source to you. If you eat meats, there's an intermediary stage (growing the animal from plants you could eat, more-or-less) that reduces the system efficiency.
Now, add in the methane produced by most animals when you grow them for food, and things get a little worse.
Add in the additional farming necessary to supply this inefficiency, and things get even worse.
On top of that, while it appears that since man is an omnivore, a healthy diet i
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Except I'm not particularly worried about my energy intake (or rather, I'm slightly concerned about having too much of it). I can easily afford to buy enough food calories to feed a hundred people.
My goal when I eat something is to enjoy the experience. It really doesn't matter what kind of food it is or how it's made. If it looks, smells and tastes good, and it doesn't poison me, then that's all that matters. The only metric I'd consider optimizing is enjoyment per dollar. But even then, it's not that simp
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Agreed. The sad fact is, for the time being, humans must kill / maim other lifeforms in order to live. Any contrary argument is simply an argument for a death sentence (for humanity).
"But...but...plants don't have central nervous systems...or nerve cells...so it's cool when we hack off their limbs / eat their children / etc." -> There was an article, a few years back, here on /., about how plants do, in fact, feel pain. They react by (I believe) emitting an ultrasonic noise, when deprived of water for to
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It depends. In times of famine, you can feed more people by feeding them the grain directly, than by feeding the grain to the animals and then feeding the animals to the people. It's more efficient, because not all of the food energy from the grain that the animals eat, ends up in the meat.
But there are caveats to that argument. Some animals can live on things people don't (or don't want to) eat, which undermines the efficienc
The Lone Star Tick (Score:5, Funny)
I'm sensing something wonderfully ironic about a bunch of Texans finding themselves unable to eat red meat...
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Try people who do physical work?
What are you trying to say? That people who do physical work feel better than those who don't? I'm sure you're 100% correct. Incidentally meat eaters who do physical work also feel better than those who don't.
Your comment is so sad. It shows a complete lack of understanding that people can like different things.
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Actually, people who do hard physical work tend to get the "pains of age" at a much younger age. But it does work out better if you get MODERATE exercise and eat a MODERATE balanced diet.
OTOH, more physical exertion does make eating more meat more desirable. But note that athletes use carb loading rather then meals heavy in meat before a meet.
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And having to confess that they feel at least as good without it.
Not AGS, but my wife had to stop consuming red meat for two years while she was stationed in a country where something about the way the locals processed red meat wreaked havoc with her system. Upon returning to the US, she was gun shy enough that she waited another few years.
Contrary to your suggestion, she felt lethargic and sad. The day she was able to tuck into a classic burger for the first time in five years was one of the best days of her life.
That’s not to say that everyone needs red meat or t
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Or are you using the term "ironic" correctly to indicate that your intention is to mean the literal opposite of your statement? I.e., that you think it is terrible and are using sarcasm (subclass of irony) to indicate it,
the response (Score:2)
clearly, the only possible response to this news is . . .
SPOON!!! :)
[good heavens, all this posts and no-one made this connection? Or tried a joke about the alpha-gal back in high school? what has this place *come* to???]
Moo (Score:1)
Payback (Score:2)
AGS = ESG (Score:2)
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FYI, the Planet _IS_ alive, and capable of defending itself
New name? (Score:2)
So that is what we call vegatarians. now.
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I just realized I'm a vagatarian. V
Just a thought... (Score:1)
Somebody should be releasing millions of these little buggers in Texas. I'd laugh myself sick if a measurable percentage of the population had to turn to fish (like the legendary Lubbock Sand Trout, pork, chicken, and vegetables.
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I know some people not wanting to eat fish anymore because the Oceans have become the planet's dumpster, I still eat fish and crustaceans but only once in a while now, maybe about once a month.
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I have to admit, I now avoid anything that's a bottom feeder. Like you, I haven't stopped completely, but I've definitely cut back. I'm told mercury levels in tuna are a problem, too.
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"Innocent" strangers? LOL. Good one.
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There are two types of people (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:There are two types of people (Score:5, Informative)
This headline doesn't look sensationalised at all. "Emerging public health concern" is a term of art for the CDC which meets that the issue in question has hit certain thresholds.
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A few people can't eat red meat.. oh boo hoo..
In the modern world, we have tons of other sources of protein that doesn't have to come from animals.. (Which would actually HELP humanity.. reducing methane, water consumption, wastes, etc...). So I mean while this is annoying.. (I rank it up there with people that can't see the colour blue very well) its hardly "telethon" worthy (except for the beef industry who's shitting bricks.. and ironically feeding it to cows).
I appear to have it... Alpha Gal Syndrome (Score:3)
To be fair, I can eat pepperoni pizza. Though, if I make my own pizza, I use turkey pepperoni just to be safer. Milk products don't seem to cause much problems. But, it is possible that I get some itchiness from such. It is just mild enough that I won't currently give up cheese. Or pizza! I am glad that their is turkey bacon, so I can still have a BLT when I want one.
It appears that I got AGS either from living near Palm Springs, CA or Flagstaff, AZ, in the mid or early sixties. So I at least don't believe AGS could be a conspiracy by the vegans, vegetarians, or lab grown meat produces. (Did I leave any one out? Should I have added politicians? Or the UFO people?)
I've only learned about Alpha Gal Syndrome recently, the last few years. Certainly not before COVID-19. (Gee, is that going to be a thing now? Time before COVID-19, and the time after COVID-19?). So I have not yet been officially diagnosed. Next time I am in the proper type of doctors office, I will ask for the test. (Can't see asking a dermatologist or dentist to perform the test
They say that... (Score:2)
...as if it was a bad thing.
I had it before it was cool, I guess. (Score:1)
I worked as a park ranger (basically security guard for city parks) in MN from around 1987-1989 while I was in college.
I had a noticeable tick bite on my leg at some point (my g/f noticed it before I did) which we watched carefully as Lyme Disease was just becoming "a thing" but it didn't really develop as those bites were described, and, I had no symptoms so...whatever, move on. Meanwhile since then I've been tested for Lyme a half-dozen times, nothing.
Fast forward to 1990, and I have a job where I'm invo
Environmental win (Score:2)
AI diagnostics (Score:2)
Given the disinterest most doctors have in staying current with medical diagnostics. The sooner we can replace them with AI the better. Far too many people have to spend years searching for a doctor with enough competence to get the correct diagnosis and even then it does not mean they will get the best treatment.
Re:I'm putting on my Tin Foil hat. (Score:4, Funny)
Can I propose a UN-funded contract fulfilled by the Israeli lab meat companies and deployed by PETA?
Super Genius does something constructive? (Score:3)
So instead of a better Viagra some genius figured out how to combat the climate crisis in an ethical way??
This is too good to be true!
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Re: Super Genius does something constructive? (Score:1)
That's...basically PETA in a nutshell. To them, ethical includes stealing and then euthanizing some little girl's perfectly healthy Chihuahua because they view pet ownership as slavery. I'm not joking, it happened:
https://www.theguardian.com/us... [theguardian.com]
They of course tried to sugar coat it, saying they only euthanize as a last resort, but it's total bullshit because they have a long, long history of "euthanize first, ask questions later" and they kill the vast majority of the animals they receive in their so-call
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I can believe that some PETA members are that crazy, but I don't think most are. And if you've never met a sane vegan, this says more about your social network than about vegans. I've met several that were sane. (Well, as sane as most people...which, admittedly, isn't saying much.)
OTOH, corporations and groups of people are frequently immoral and insane, even if most of the members are both relatively moral and relatively sane. So I can believe that PETA is as immoral as you claim it is.
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Why is this a biological weapon? It's reducing meat consumption which is a big driver of global warming among many other problems. So you can't eat meat; big deal, too much meat is broadly doing far more harm. Relying on most people to do the right thing is naive as fuck.
BTW, I eat meat; but not much anymore because it made my health worse... way more harm which lasts much longer than this allergy. Had I caught this years ago I might be better off today.
Perhaps I should have phrased it as more ethical but n
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Western ranchers are allowed to graze their livestock on public lands for $1.35 per cow each month [therevelator.org]
the subsidies are wide and deep, $2B a year does not come close to the real value
Re:I'm putting on my Tin Foil hat. (Score:5, Informative)
Given that the globalist/activists/depopluationists are actively trying to get rid us meat eaters and our favorite cow-meat, and push us to meat-substitutes(Which were approved without human trials, and pennies to produce compare to real meat.), I wouldn't be surprise if these ticks weren't engineered.
No need to engineer anything. When you inject foreign proteins into a person's bloodstream, there's a decent chance of them developing an allergy. So when a tick spits up a little bit of deer blood, boom, you're allergic to alpha-galactose.
My guess is that it is happening more these days in part because of overpopulation of deer and in part because of overpopulation of deer ticks. And maybe people are being exposed more for some reason, such as more people living in areas closer to wildlife, milder winters resulting in fewer dead ticks, Lone Star ticks covering a larger part of the U.S. because of climate change, etc.
Several folks in my extended family have an alpha-gal allergy. From what I understand, you have to immediately stop consuming red meat (except poultry) and dairy, and then eventually you can see if you can tolerate dairy (some can, some can't). After a few years, the allergy can diminish.
A part of me wonders if combining phosphatidylserine (in one form or another) with alpha-galactose in an intramuscular or subdermal injection would deprogram the immune system enough to eliminate the reaction entirely. I have a hunch that the odds are pretty good, given that this approach works well for other things [buffalo.edu], but there would need to be studies to confirm it, and if it doesn't work, those studies could be pretty dangerous, so you'd need to do them on a mouse model first, etc. Anyway, just ideas for future research, if anybody out there reading this happens to be involved in biomedical research and wants to try to tackle this.
Re:I'm putting on my Tin Foil hat. (Score:5, Funny)
So you'd have to get vaccinated to eat meat? Is that a wee bit of a conundrum, perchance?
Re:I'm putting on my Tin Foil hat. (Score:5, Insightful)
Oh the humanity, what should I do, shall I stay true to my anti-vax stance or to my must-eat-meat-or-they-make-me-eat-insects stance?
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Owning libs, of course. My health is secondary, but I can't let them win!
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The traditional "anti-vaxxers" live in places like Marin County or Portland Oregon. Until the Covid vaccine came around it was not a red state issue at all, and that had less to do with the vaccine itself than the mandates that came with it. Trump himself was extremely proud of the vaccine as he was the guy who did Operation Warp Speed in the first place.
I know you love any opportunity to feel intellectually superior to others but maybe think a little first.
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So if I'm a vegan anti-vaxxer, do I win?
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So you'd have to get vaccinated to eat meat? Is that a wee bit of a conundrum, perchance?
Considering where the word vaccine comes from, I find it hilarious.
That would be a reasonable conclusion... (Score:1)
Now I get it (Score:1)
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Re-read the article and now I see that the tick bite, some unmentioned mechanism, makes you suddenly allergic to this mammalian sugar, and it's not that the tick is the source of the sugar as I had initially inferred.
In a manner of speaking, the tick is the source of the carbohydrate, at least insofar as the tick, having previously bitten another mammal, regurgitates a bit of the contents of its gut when you remove it. But it is not the source in the sense of being the organism that produced it originally.
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...if this really were an allergy to meat as the headline suggests, instead of an allergy to a foreign substance proposed to come from ticks.
Quite,
However surely the logical solution would be to inoculate or in some other way protect the cows from the ticks (I.E. a spray that repels ticks applied to the backs of the cows)?
I'm far from an anti-vaxxer nutbar, but it seems we're putting the cart before the horse by vaccinating the end user rather than controlling the pest.
Re: That would be a reasonable conclusion... (Score:2)
What could go wrong with yet another pesticide applied in liberal quantities, huh?
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However surely the logical solution would be to inoculate or in some other way protect the cows from the ticks (I.E. a spray that repels ticks applied to the backs of the cows)?
Won't help. The Lone Star tick is perfectly happy feeding on horses, pigs, dogs, cats, squirrels, deer, rabbits, skunks, raccoons, birds of all types, etc. You'd literally have to inoculate every bird and mammal within the region. You'd have an easier time setting fire to every forest and every blade of grass and starting over (not that doing so would be a good idea, but unlike such broad vaccination, that would at least theoretically be within the capabilities of the human race at this point in time).
I
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And maybe people are being exposed more for some reason
This map [bestvalueschools.org] shows what is happening over time. The northeast US has become infested with Lyme-carrying ticks.
Instant Statewide Cure (Score:2)
And maybe people are being exposed more for some reason
This map [bestvalueschools.org] shows what is happening over time. The northeast US has become infested with Lyme-carrying ticks.
Whoa, moral of the story is to immediately do whatever the hell Massachusetts did in 2016.
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My guess is that it is happening more these days in part because of overpopulation of deer and in part because of overpopulation of deer ticks
Deer ticks (ixodes scapularis [wikipedia.org]) carry lyme disease, not this.
Lone star ticks (amblyomma americanum [wikipedia.org]) are a different species.
They are both ticks. They have significant range overlap.
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My guess is that it is happening more these days in part because of overpopulation of deer and in part because of overpopulation of deer ticks
Deer ticks (ixodes scapularis [wikipedia.org]) carry lyme disease, not this.
Lone star ticks (amblyomma americanum [wikipedia.org]) are a different species.
They are both ticks. They have significant range overlap.
Sorry, I kind of screwed that up. What I meant was overpopulation of Lone Star ticks because of them feeding on deer. (There's evidence that the expansion of the Lone Star tick's habitat has been at least partially driven by deer overpopulation.)
As an aside, although the Lone Star tick is the culprit in the vast majority of cases, there's evidence that traditional blacklegged deer ticks can also trigger alpha-gal allergies [mvboh.com].
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My guess is that it is happening more these days in part because of overpopulation of deer
In some suburbs that are on the edge of wooded areas, you've got Mega Cat Ladies that put out feed for deer and then campaign to ban deer hunting. I recall seeing a news piece some years ago about a New England town where the deer had become a nuisance, walking around the streets, because there was a group of people, mostly older females, that were feeding them. Deer are cute in Disney cartoons, but they tend to tear up gardens and fences, especially in rutting season. The males can get quite aggressive. An
Re: I'm putting on my Tin Foil hat. (Score:2)
"I recall seeing a news piece some years ago about a New England town where the ~~deer~~ people had become a nuisance, walking around the streets"
Did I fix that for you?
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When you inject foreign proteins into a person's bloodstream, there's a decent chance of them developing an allergy. So when a tick spits up a little bit of deer blood, boom, you're allergic to alpha-galactose.
My guess is that it is happening more these days in part because of overpopulation of deer and in part because of overpopulation of deer ticks. And maybe people are being exposed more for some reason, such as more people living in areas closer to wildlife, milder winters resulting in fewer dead ticks, Lone Star ticks covering a larger part of the U.S. because of climate change, etc.
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Yes, and don't forget that people seemed to have changed and now have more overactive immune systems than in previous generations.
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Yes, and don't forget that people seemed to have changed and now have more overactive immune systems than in previous generations.
This is likely caused by behavioral/environmental differences, e.g. small children not playing in the dirt, better overall sanitation leading to fewer childhood illnesses, etc., rather than the people themselves changing, but there's no way to be certain.
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>No need to engineer anything. When you inject foreign proteins into a person's bloodstream, there's a decent chance of them developing an allergy. So when a tick spits up a little bit of deer blood, boom, you're allergic to alpha-galactose
So it's been like this since the dawn of human history, on all continents, amongst all humans, and can cause extremely serious medical issues, but was only discovered in 2002? And only certain ticks spread it?
That's possible. But you can see why people would be a lit
Re: I'm putting on my Tin Foil hat. (Score:2)
Magnetism and bacteria have been around for thousands of years, too.
This kind of thing could have been around much longer than documented, and exacerbated by recent adjustments to Earth's thermostat.
Gene drive to make ticks extinct? (Score:2)
What d'you think of destroying deer ticks, and maybe a few other species? Driving those species to extinction?
This can be done via a gene drive. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
https://www.nytimes.com/2012/0... [nytimes.com]
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I also wonder why it's lone star ticks specifically. Maybe they have a particular behavioral pattern which causes them to go from cow to human more often than other ticks. Likewise, I always
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I also wonder why it's lone star ticks specifically. Maybe they have a particular behavioral pattern which causes them to go from cow to human more often than other ticks.
They tend to be more aggressive at pursuing mammals to feed on, which means you're more likely to be bitten by multiple ticks at once. Also, they are larger, which means their stomachs have more in them, which means they're more likely to have a meaningful amount of the alpha-gal carbohydrate in their stomachs. Either of those could be a factor.
Also, note that it isn't limited to cows. AFAIK, all mammals other than humans and a few closely related primates have alpha-gal. So they could be getting it from deer, dogs, squirrels, rabbits, or very nearly anything else that they feed upon other than birds.
Likewise, I always wonder why one particular species of mosquito gets called out for spreading a given disease. Don't all mosquitos do basically the same thing?
I suspect that different mosquito species live in different areas where different diseases are prevalent. Beyond that, though, no idea.
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Not even close. The problematic ones are the species whose females need to have a blood meal before laying eggs. Of 3,500 mosquito species, only 210 have females that bite animals, and only 105 spread diseases. Some of them have adapted extraordinary behaviors that make them much more problematic in civilized environments.
(Quoted numbers are rounded and approximate.)
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Given that the globalist/activists/depopluationists are actively trying to get rid us meat eaters and our favorite cow-meat, and push us to meat-substitutes(Which were approved without human trials, and pennies to produce compare to real meat.), I wouldn't be surprise if these ticks weren't engineered.
Honestly, I always knew The Tick would save the planet.
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