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NASA Unveils 4 Astronauts Who Will Fly To the Moon on Artemis II Mission (cbsnews.com) 75

A Canadian astronaut and three NASA veterans, including one of the world's most experienced female spacewalkers, will fly around the moon next year in the first piloted voyage beyond Earth orbit since the Apollo program ended 50 years ago, the space agency announced Monday. From a report: NASA's Reid Wiseman, Christina Koch and Victor Glover will join Canadian rookie Jeremy Hansen aboard an Orion crew capsule for the Artemis program's second fight, the first carrying a crew bound for the moon. The Artemis 2 mission is intended to pave the way toward the first moon landing -- Artemis 3 -- in the 2025-26 timeframe. Wiseman, Koch and Glover are all veterans of long-duration stays aboard the International Space Station while Hansen will be making his first space flight. Navy Capt. Wiseman, 47, a widowed father of two, is a veteran F/A-18F Super Hornet pilot who holds a master's in systems engineering. He launched aboard a Russian Soyuz spacecraft in 2014 and spent 165 days aboard the space station, then served as chief astronaut after his return to Earth.

Koch, 44, holds a master's in electrical engineering who has experience in Antarctic research. She also launched aboard a Soyuz and spent nearly a full year aboard the lab in 2019-20, venturing outside for six spacewalks, including three all-female excursions. With 42 hours and 15 minutes of EVA time, she ranks third on the list of most experienced female spacewalkers. Glover, 46, is a Navy captain, a father of four and one of only a half dozen African Americans in NASA's astronaut corps. He launched to the station aboard the first operational SpaceX Crew Dragon mission in 2021-22, logging 168 days in orbit. Glover is a veteran test pilot with more than 3,000 hours of flight time and more than 400 carrier landings. Hansen, a 47-year-old colonel in the Canadian armed forces and father of three, is a veteran F-18 fighter pilot. He will be the ninth Canadian to fly in space and the first to venture beyond Earth orbit.

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NASA Unveils 4 Astronauts Who Will Fly To the Moon on Artemis II Mission

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  • by Eunomion ( 8640039 ) on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:12AM (#63422346)
    The NET of late 2024 is a joke. I'd put Artemis 2 sometime around 2027. SLS is a shitty rocket made by awful companies who've largely forgotten how to do their jobs.
  • by King_TJ ( 85913 ) on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:14AM (#63422356) Journal

    It just feels backwards to me, in the sense we did all of these moon missions, starting before I was even born. And here we are, spending all the money and effort to go back to simply orbiting the moon to "prepare for being able to land on it, in another mission".

    I know .... It's a different spacecraft than the rockets used in the 60's and early 70's, etc. etc.

    But quite an expensive re-inventing of the wheel here.

    • by joe_frisch ( 1366229 ) on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:51AM (#63422498)
      If you've forgotten how to build a wheel you need to re-invent it. I don't think we can leapfrog to Mars without relearning stuff.
    • by hackertourist ( 2202674 ) on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @05:06AM (#63424436)

      Apollo took 5% of the Federal budget for a decade. Nowadays, NASA gets 0.3%, and Artemis is only part of that, at under 0.1% of the Federal budget.

      Landing on the moon was seen as a national emergency, critical to keeping the US relevant as a world leader. Piles of money were shoveled into developing systems, procedures (the entire Gemini program was designed to develop procedures that would be needed for Apollo, like orbital rendezvous and spacewalking), infrastructure etc. Risks were taken that today would be unacceptable.

      These days, Artemis is only possible because the Space Shuttle program ended, and finally a cheaper alternative was found for transporting astronauts to the ISS. This made some room in the budget.
      Then the pork barrel machine swung into action and made sure SLS is an expensive new development based on legacy systems.

      Could they have used Apollo systems instead? Theoretically, yes, for some aspects of Artemis.
      The Saturn V is a 50 year old design and would require significant changes to replace obsolete hardware (from individual components to 50 year-old computer designs), obsolete production methods (engine nozzles hand-brazed from kilometers of small tubes), obsolete materials and obsolete design systems (from hand-drawn drawings to CAD/CAM). You end up with a rocket that's not cheaper than SLS.

      The Apollo A7L space suit cannot be reused because those were developing problems after only 3 days on the lunar surface, and for Artemis we want to spend months.
      That timeframe also makes it impossible to reuse the LM, for instance.

  • more info needed (Score:1, Flamebait)

    by groobly ( 6155920 )

    Article fails to mention which ones are gay, trans, or black.

    • How dare you come here with your old-fashioned assumptions that no-one is all three.

      You pig.
    • by skam240 ( 789197 ) on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:41AM (#63422458)

      I dont know about any of that but we just found the idiot one right here.

      Must you twits bring culture war nonsense into every discussion? Most of us have long since become tired of it but clearly not you.

      • Re: (Score:1, Redundant)

        by greytree ( 7124971 )
        Yes, it's disgusting how some twits keep protesting outrageous sexism, when they should obviously just keep quiet and let the discrimination happen.
        I mean, anything that got us VP Kamala must be okay, right?
        • Re:more info needed (Score:4, Informative)

          by skam240 ( 789197 ) on Monday April 03, 2023 @12:19PM (#63422562)

          It's amazing the drama queens some members of our political right have become and of course drama queens always feel that their bullshit drama is super important and everyone needs to hear it!

          • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

            by greytree ( 7124971 )
            Yes, the woke will never be accused of being drama queens, ever. They just accept that there are other opinions and remain silent while everyone else has their say. They don't indoctrinate students in almost every university in the land. Uh uh. They don't shout their woke nonsense from the newspapers and TV stations they run so everyone has to read and hear it EVERY FUCKING DAY. Not atall.
            • by skam240 ( 789197 )

              The only time I even hear the term woke anymore is when some right winger is complaining about anything in the world that they dont like.

              Meanwhile, here we are in a discussion about our country's next moon landing (awesome) and we have you idiots blathering on about Kamala Harris and transgender people which have absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand (lame). But hey, your drama is super important so we should all have to hear it even when it's completely off topic, right?

              • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

                by greytree ( 7124971 )
                So you are blathering that the hateful woke don't call themselves that and that means we normal people have to stop ? Sorry, hater, we won't.

                Right winger ? Nope, I am a centrist.
                You woke are far left, deranged and hateful. Just because there are a lot of you, thanks to our universities, doesn't mean you are at the centre of normal, reasonable opinion.

                NASA made a SEXIST choice.
                Normal decent people are opposed to SEXISM.
                And it is totally on-topic ( like that matters on Slashdot ) to point it out.
                • by skam240 ( 789197 )

                  Oh so now you're going to try to claim that you've been on topic this whole time when no one in this thread up until just now has even mentioned that they thought NASAs announcement was somehow sexist.

                  So tell me oh wise centrist drama queen, what exactly is so horrible about this NASA announcement?

                  • Really?

                    1. There are many hateful woke people just like you here, and only a few normal, decent people.
                    2. More than one discussion topic based on a story can be on-topic for that story.
                    3. NASA made a SEXIST choice.
                            Normal decent people are opposed to SEXISM.
                            And it is totally on-topic ( like that matters on Slashdot ) to point it out.
                    • by skam240 ( 789197 )

                      Yes, your quote there is exactly what I was referring to when I said "up until just now" in my prior post. Are you just agreeing with me then?

                • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

                  In my experience, everyone who claims to be a centrist is actually a rightist.

                  Also, see my signature.

                  • by skam240 ( 789197 )

                    Yeah, if they're agro over dumb "woke" stuff like this guy is odds are the rest of their ideology is pretty far out there as well. I'm just playing along.

                    • by skam240 ( 789197 )

                      Hahaha, yeah, I'm the one spewing nonsense. You cant even enunciate this horrible sexism you've decided to start talking about three posts in.

                    • So you cannot even understand what you are arguing about, but you are sure someone else is spewing nonsense.
                      Yes, of course.
                    • by skam240 ( 789197 )

                      The only thing I'm not understanding is what you're even trying to accomplish here beyond off topic anti-"woke" trolling as all you've really done is name call me and bitched and moaned about how horrible "woke" is. You've even referred to me as one of your evil "woke" people when all I've done is tell you to knock it off with your off topic blathering about your stupid culture war. Then again, you probably use woke as a catchall term for anything you dont like just like most dumbshit culture warriors do no

                    • by skam240 ( 789197 )

                      Hahahaha, alright, message received. Drama queen culture warrior it is. Thanks for confirming.

                  • Oh look, it's the demented hateful woke piling in.

                    Hate on, hater.
    • by sinij ( 911942 )

      Article fails to mention which ones are gay, trans, or black.

      Exactly, what do they think it is still 1969 or something?

    • Imagine living in this world and being so flailingly angry that you're triggered by every single news article and just absolutely have to shoehorn in your shitty political opinions everywhere.
  • Seems like a bit of a yawn. Do they not have satellites doing that already?
    • by Wolfrider ( 856 )

      --Yah, BFD. Flying around the moon is no big deal, wake me up when they land on it and start building a permanent base.

  • summary curiosity (Score:4, Informative)

    by crgrace ( 220738 ) on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:50AM (#63422494)

    Why does the summary say this:

    Glover, 46, is a Navy captain, a father of four and one of only a half dozen African Americans in NASA's astronaut corps

    By saying "one of only a half dozen", the summary certainly gives the impression that the number of African Americans in NASA's astronaut core is inappropriate.

    However, according to Wikipedia, there are 41 astronauts in the NASA astronaut core. This means, if the summary is correct and there are 6 African American astronauts, then 14.6% of the astronauts in the NASA astronaut core are African American.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_Astronaut_Corps/ [wikipedia.org]

    Since the percentage of African Americans in the US is 12.1 percent, this indicates that African Americans are overrepresented in the NASA astronaut core.

    What, then, is the point of saying "only"?

    • >"gives the impression that the number of African Americans in NASA's astronaut core is inappropriate." [...] "What, then, is the point of saying "only"?"

      A better question is: What, exactly, is appropriate?

      Welcome to the the identity politics game. The same as going on and on about the female candidate. NOBODY SHOULD CARE. The fact that people DO care is a problem. I am sure there will be some screaming that there isn't [apparently] an LGBTQIAKWICLZIXORUYV+ astronaut on board. It is so tiring and c

      • Never again going to happen and welcome to the new woke world, whether we want it or not. However, in this instance, they are all very qualified, so it equally shouldn't matter that they are diverse, they all have skills necesssary for the mission, so to you're point, they are both qualified and diverse.
        • I never implied any of the selected were not qualified. I don't think NASA would go that far. But when artificial quotas based on identity politics are in play, as they almost certainly are in this case, I guarantee not ALL those selected are the *best* candidates out of those who are qualified.

          • I understand, but let's consider nepotism and how many people have gotten the job because mommy or daddy pushed for them, yet they were clearly NOT qualified. Wokeness is not the only thing that could put less qualified people in place of others, in general. I just think that here is a good example of both things happening. They are qualified which makes you happy and they are diverse which makes some wokie somewhere happy. We'll never know who didn't make the cut, but let's focus on good will towards these
  • ...I wasn't pleased with the whole "ovaries in orbit" framing of this mission* but in 2023 I have to say I'm pleased it IS an actual woman on the crew because the president handing an International Women of Courage award to a dude sort of suggests some of us are not all terribly clear on y'know, what a woman IS anymore.

    *I mean, it beats 'Muslim Outreach" as NASA's primary mission, anyway.

    • If you're not a doctor then you aren't qualified to determine what a woman is!!!!

      • So it IS a biological thing, then? Not just what they think in their heads?

        Hint: personally, I think John Money - the guy who came up with this nonsense - was a sadistic, sociopathic pedophile and child abuser. I'm not sure I'd lean on his guidance for what we should think about gender.

  • by NoWayNoShapeNoForm ( 7060585 ) on Monday April 03, 2023 @12:35PM (#63422626)
    You mean they are already in suspended animation in preparation for the flight?
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