Male Birth Control Stopped Sperm In Mice, Study Found (wsj.com) 84
An anonymous reader quotes a report from the Wall Street Journal: A drug aimed at treating eyes immobilized sperm and prevented pregnancy in mice, encouraging researchers that it might work as a contraceptive for men. Injected into male mice, the drug was 100% effective in preventing pregnancy for 2 1/2 hours and about 91% effective for up to 3 1/2 hours, according to a study published Tuesday in the journal Nature Communications. The male mice were fertile after a day, the study found. The new approach is appealing for how quickly the contraceptive acts. The researchers said they would test the drug in other animals and aim for human trials in the coming years.
The drug presented in Tuesday's study acts by deactivating an enzyme in mice and men that make sperm swim. "It's like your on-switch on your TV," said Jochen Buck, a pharmacologist at Weill Cornell Medicine, an author of the study. When the researchers added the drug to human and mice sperm in a dish, the cells stopped moving temporarily. Lower doses of the drug resulted in progressively more mobile sperm cells, Dr. Buck said. The drug took about 15 minutes to take effect. Male mice injected with the drug didn't alter their mating behavior. Allowed to mate in the 2.5 hours after injection, none of 52 pairs of mice produced offspring. A third of mice partners in a control group of 50 had pregnancies. Mice given the drug were later able to father healthy pups, the study said.
The drug presented in Tuesday's study acts by deactivating an enzyme in mice and men that make sperm swim. "It's like your on-switch on your TV," said Jochen Buck, a pharmacologist at Weill Cornell Medicine, an author of the study. When the researchers added the drug to human and mice sperm in a dish, the cells stopped moving temporarily. Lower doses of the drug resulted in progressively more mobile sperm cells, Dr. Buck said. The drug took about 15 minutes to take effect. Male mice injected with the drug didn't alter their mating behavior. Allowed to mate in the 2.5 hours after injection, none of 52 pairs of mice produced offspring. A third of mice partners in a control group of 50 had pregnancies. Mice given the drug were later able to father healthy pups, the study said.
Re: No birth control needed... (Score:2)
If there is anyone on this site that doesn't need birth control it would most definitely be you. Your behavior screams incel.
It's rigged (Score:5, Interesting)
They want us to pay monthly for a pill. But there's already a proven alternative to vasectomy that is cheap, effective, and reversible. But we aren't allowed to have it.
Vasalgel (https://www.parsemus.org/humanhealth/vasalgel-male-contraceptive/) has been around for two decades. It was developed in India, where it's been used on thousands of men with no issue.
But nobody has paid for the ridiculously expensive FDA process, because there's no money in a $10 one-time reversible birth control. So we aren't allowed to use it in the USA. But you can go to India and get it.
Re: It's rigged (Score:4, Informative)
Re: It's rigged (Score:3)
This article from 2011 explains the origins. The IP was bought and turned into Vasalgel. https://www.wired.com/2011/04/... [wired.com]
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The IP was bought and turned into Vasalgel
It was developed in India, where it's been used on thousands of men with no issue. - You're either being outright false or deliberately misleading. The product never completed clinical trials in India. [vox.com] They couldn't get enough men to participate in the human trials sequence. [archive.org]
Parsemus Foundation (the USA holder of the Vasalgel patents) switched to a new company for development last year. [parsemus.org]
I personally suspect that, much like how it's difficult to get men to admi
Re: It's rigged (Score:2)
Why do think it's difficult to get men to admit they got a vasectomy? Everyone I knew that got one bragged about it. It's not like they got their dick cut off.
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No. You know some people around you got vasectomies because they bragged about it. But if the only way you know about it is because they bragged, you'll never know about anyone who got one but was so embarrassed they don't want to talk about it.
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I would suspect quite the opposite, clearly you would want the men you gave the contraceptive to be guaranteed to have sex with fertile (aka probably young) females. We are doing for science darling. Also if those females did get pregnant you would have to pay for the resulting children, or abortions which is still unacceptable to a lot of people.
But don't let me stop you justifying your belief that society is "machismo- and misogyny-infested" further by assuming its "machismo- and misogyny-infested" and d
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Hormonal contraceptives can have unpleasant side effects, and they are sometimes bad enough for women to stop taking them. This is one of the big reasons there's a constant search for new methods of birth control; there are problems with every existing method that mean people sometimes can't or don't want to use them. The more available methods there are, the more likely people are to be able to find a method that is acceptable to them.
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You know damn well it wouldn’t cost $10 in this country. Like dental work and insulin it would be cheaper flying round trip to India for the procedure than paying out of pocket here. If I need a dental implant it’s cheaper to have it done on a week long vacation in Spain.
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They want us to pay monthly for a pill. But there's already a proven alternative to vasectomy that is cheap, effective, and reversible. But we aren't allowed to have it.
Vasalgel (https://www.parsemus.org/humanhealth/vasalgel-male-contraceptive/) has been around for two decades. It was developed in India, where it's been used on thousands of men with no issue.
But nobody has paid for the ridiculously expensive FDA process, because there's no money in a $10 one-time reversible birth control. So we aren't allowed to use it in the USA. But you can go to India and get it.
It's all moot. No woman is going to take your word for it...
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It's all moot. No woman is going to take your word for it...
This male contraception also responds to a reality of our modern societies, where having sexual relations without the responsibilities and duties associated with conceiving and raising a child is legitimate.
Men in this case can then protect themselves from becoming fathers without having intended it.
Women have been able to do this for a long time and it is certainly more important because we dedicate our whole body to it for months and years.
I find it fair, that men have access to the choice not to conceive
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Women have been able to do this for a long time and it is certainly more important because we dedicate our whole body to it for months and years
While true, women dedicate more, the vast majority of the work done raising a child properly is not pregnancy its the rest of your life that I fell I am morally obliged and till 18 that you are legally obliged to look after your child. Sure there are deadbeats that will do a runner, but for the rest the men that have some ethics having a child is a huge investment as well.
I for one would welcome a contraceptive that means I don't have to trust the woman either. Then again I am not into having sex with women
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The problem, of course, is that you can never trust someone 100%, and a pregnancy is a hell of a way to discover the limit of your trust.
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So... (Score:2)
So what's the plan here? Put it in bigmacs and solve obesity in the long term?
Dual market (Score:4, Funny)
"A drug aimed at treating eyes" .. Well that's ingenious .. they can sell it to people who need birth control and also to people going blind from masturbation.
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Seems more like adding insult to injury.
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It's adding injury to self-injury
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The eye part makes sense. It probably works by having the female say "I cant' see myself having sex with him".
Call it Plan A (Score:3)
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This is actually a perfect marketing strategy. Don't sell it to men, sell it to women. sell it over the counter in multi-packs and in singles from vending machines in women's washrooms. If a woman decides she wants to take a dude home and raw dog it then she can just have him pop the pill in front of her long enough before they head to her place. As an added bonus a woman handing the pill to a guy and telling him to take it would be an actual, physical, literal, informed consent to unprotected sex later in
Re: Call it Plan A (Score:2)
That's not how consent works. That would be like saying because she goes home with you, you automatically get to fuck her. She still gets to change her mind.
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If she says something along the lines of ...
'I'm thinking that we might wanna fuck later, and I like it when a guy cums in me; take this PlanA pill now and if we end up back at my place later then we don't need to use a condom'...
That will be the form of consent that I bet is going to occur 90% of the times that a woman makes the decision that she wants a cream pie to finish her night out.
Women have agency, the right to control what happens with their bodies, and I'm pretty damn sure that every woman I know
Here come the STDs (Score:3, Insightful)
While every contraceptive strategy has its upsides and downsides, the glaring one for this one is that it may very well have the effect of enabling more casual sex without condoms.
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Mrs. Bobbit had a simple solution for both.
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I dunno - that seems a trifle puritanical for my taste.
People will always want to have sex with each other. People don't want babies appearing unless they specifically planned them. They also don't want STIs.
If someone's careful enough to take a contraceptive, you can surely expect they're careful enough to avoid STIs. Sure, some won't and will pass along STIs, but they were probably going to do that anyway.
Re: Here come the STDs (Score:2)
"I dunno - that seems a trifle puritanical for my taste."
Did you see who you were replying to, the guys name is rightwingnutjob. Of course it's going to be puritanical holier than thou bullshit.
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Well, where is that personal responsibility if there are no unwanted side effects from sex?
If we can't scare the kids away from fucking with the threat of getting pregnant and outlawing every way to get rid of the parasite, we have to scare them with STDs. If there only was a way to fuck and not have either of them...
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Well, where is that personal responsibility if there are no unwanted side effects from sex?
If we can't scare the kids away from fucking with the threat of getting pregnant and outlawing every way to get rid of the parasite, we have to scare them with STDs. If there only was a way to fuck and not have either of them...
The desire to engage in sex is right up there at the top of urges - eating and sex. Yet some of us demand to sup[press or eliminate sex. Things like abstinence sex education.
We have seen the results of attempting to have young people at their sexual peak to be abstinent. Technical virgins are a real thing, as young people try to jerry-rig definitions.
Some of us even go reee at things like HPV vaccines, because they think getting a vaccine will cause creepy promiscuity. I think those people spend too muc
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it is time to heterosexual men to understand that birth control has become their responsibility, and that means a vasectomy unless you are fully prepared to be a father.
A vasectomy should be assumed to be irreversible because oftentimes it is. It may sound like a great idea when you're 20, but when you're 38 and you and your partner have been trying to conceive for years, it's awful. And kids, "I'm ovulating - just get it over with" is not enjoyable sex.
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> A vasectomy should be assumed to be irreversible because oftentimes it is. It may sound like a great idea when you're 20, but when you're 38 and you and your partner have been trying to conceive for years, it's awful.
If someone knows they had a vasectomy 18 years ago and are wondering why they haven't been able to conceive for years, it's probably for the best that they're not successfully reproducing.
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it is time to heterosexual men to understand that birth control has become their responsibility, and that means a vasectomy unless you are fully prepared to be a father.
A vasectomy should be assumed to be irreversible because oftentimes it is. It may sound like a great idea when you're 20, but when you're 38 and you and your partner have been trying to conceive for years, it's awful. And kids, "I'm ovulating - just get it over with" is not enjoyable sex.
Sounds about right. It is just the price of modern times. The divorce rate, and the fact that the father by definition has the responsibility, but not the choices, any male planning on having children should do it early, then deal with the likelihood of divorce and child support.
As well - he better understand that at 38, that she is well into the geriatric pregnancy stage of a women and some are starting to go into perimenopause, so he should probably save some money to pay for IVF.
My kid was spermjac
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Being gay sure helps. No unwanted pregnancies. Ever.
Re: What happened to (Score:2)
It doesn't count if it's in the butt, you're still technically a virgin. /s
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It doesn't count if it's in the butt, you're still technically a virgin. /s
That's what she said...
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That's what he said...
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Oh no people are having sex without procreation!
Re: Here come the STDs (Score:2, Flamebait)
Most sex happens without procreation, cupcake. Most sex also doesn't spread disease. The question is whether the people who *do* spread disease will spread more of it by forgoing condoms in favor of male contraception.
I realize it's difficult for a liberal to understand that every person isn't interchangeable, but different people have different circumstances and not all statements apply universally to everyone, or even to everyone who shares some superficial resemblance to a stereotype.
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While every contraceptive strategy has its upsides and downsides, the glaring one for this one is that it may very well have the effect of enabling more casual sex without condoms.
Kind of like how the HPV vaccine encourages promiscuity, amirite?
Re: Here come the STDs (Score:2)
No. Kinda like "you don't have to wear a condom..." may encourage some people to stop listening at the "..." and not wear a condom.
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Maybe they don't wear a condom because it is like getting a shot of novocaine in your penis.
This. While most of us have used them as needed, it's the old taking a shower in a raincoat meme. And while it shouldn't be as much of an issue for women, I know of none who like it, much less prefer it.
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Yep, kinda like eating a steak with one on your tongue....it's like "why bother"?
Just no sensation....
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While every contraceptive strategy has its upsides and downsides, the glaring one for this one is that it may very well have the effect of enabling more casual sex without condoms.
Oh, sure. Women will definitely believe guys who claim they're taking the pill. Not.
Re: Here come the STDs (Score:1)
"Women" as a category isn't useful here. *Some* women will believe. Others won't. The ones who won't aren't likely to have any problems either way.
Plus all those sinners (Score:3)
Look condoms break, girls sometimes lie about being on birth control and even when they're not female birth control sometimes has nasty side effects and even in a committed relationship you might want to turn off the baby factory for a while.
This is a good thing overall for people. The only interesting part is going to be what it's going to do to our already declining birth rate. I would expect it to cut it at least another 25% a
Oblig. Simpsons (Score:2)
"Who's going to buy a diet pill that makes you go blind?"
"We'll let marketing worry about that!"
There's a use for everything, if only you can find it.
There is already an effective male birth control. (Score:2)
It's called anabolic steroids. Or testosterone replacement therapy.
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Is the pill takes effect at the same speed as viagra then they can sell them to women and then the women can offer one to a guy they want to have sex with, if he refuses then she can then decide not to have sex with him.
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is going to trust a guy saying he's on the pill?
I imagine the use case for this would be more for the man's piece of mind. A guy can take it every time he has sex and not have to worry if the woman he's with is really on the pill, or if she poked holes in his condoms, etc.
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is going to trust a guy saying he's on the pill?
Irrelevant.
This is for guys to protect themselves from fraud.
Re: Women don't trust men (Score:1)
Re: Women don't trust men (Score:2)
I think there's something primal and indescribably satisfying for many men when their partner allows them to conquer.
Vidi, vici, veni!
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Women have never trusted men, and they never will, especially when it comes to matters of sex and birth control.
The reason for this is that men are not trustworthy at all when it comes to matters of sex and birth control, and will say and do anything to get in your pants, lies be damned.
My rule has always been no condom, no sex. And if you put your hand down there, I'm going to assume you're trying to take it off, and you're done.
I've been married for 12 years and have never had sex with my husband without a condom. He's a good man, but at the end of the day, he's a man, and he can cheat, and he will lie about it until it's too late, and fuck him if I'm going to let him give me an STD.
Wow, that sounds like a really healthy marriage... because women never cheat, or lie about being on birth control, poke holes in condoms, or do anything deceitful, right?
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That has to be one the worst descriptions of a long term monogamous intimate relationship I have ever heard.
How can you be in a relationship that long without that basic level of trust?
I really feel sorry for both you and him.
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Maybe he's got a humiliation kink or something. That's the only reason I can conceive (*rimshot*) that he'd even still talk to someone who says shit like that, much less staying married to them for years.
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TBH (Score:2)
Chelsea Handler has pretty much the same effect.
It's been proven in lab tests.
A Birth Control Pill For Men (Score:2)
"A man puts it in his shoe and it makes him limp."
-Johnny Carson
Fantastic (Score:1)
Seriously, woman always complained about men not doing their part for birth control and why it's their responsibility. If we have something with minimum side effects that let's us easily control it like the pill for woman, lot less pregnancies, lot less trapped men. Probably more STDs as well unfortunately.
An injecton, though (Score:2)
Everyone's talking about this being made into a pill, but right now, it's injected. That would presumably be a key reason it's so fast-acting.
It might not even be possible to put into a pill you swallow if the digestive system damages the drug in some way, or it won't absorb quickly enough.
insanity (Score:2)
Contraception for men is a losing proposition. It only makes sense in a monogamous committed relationship. Anywhere else, the man is not the one whose life will be changed by pregnancy, and therefore has little incentive to get the "cure," and plenty of incentive to lie about it.
Sorry, but contraception has fundamentally got to be a woman's responsibility.
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Contraception for men is a losing proposition. It only makes sense in a monogamous committed relationship. Anywhere else, the man is not the one whose life will be changed by pregnancy, and therefore has little incentive to get the "cure," and plenty of incentive to lie about it.
Sorry, but contraception has fundamentally got to be a woman's responsibility.
That just isn't true. Sometimes women will say they're on the pill but really aren't, or they don't follow the instructions closely enough and reduce its effectiveness. Or sometimes they just do crazy shit like poke holes in condoms. Sometimes accidents happen and once it happens, you as a man have no say what happens to a fetus. Now you have a secondary line of defense to prevent conception so that you can be sure you won't be in that situation.
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Contraception for women is for women's benefit. Contraception for men is for men's benefit.
Re:insanity (Score:5, Insightful)
You would likely think otherwise if you were ordered to pay 18 years of child support for a child you had no intention of conceiving.
Conception has consequences for all parties involved and therefore all parties are responsible for doing whatever they can to prevent unwanted pregnancies.
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Really? Your argument is that:
a) Men should not take co-responsibility or solo responsibility for contraception
Because:
b) Fatherhood does not affect men or their life.
Really?
rollout problems (Score:2)
I foresee the following problems in using this drug:
1. catching the household mice in order to inject them.
2. future generations of mice will demand reparations and hire hungry shark lawyers.
3. also possibly the Sperm Union will sue because this is racist.
Just get a vasectomy (Score:1)
I had a vasectomy last year in May. Took maybe 15 minutes. Just had a local anaesthetic. The most complicated part was shaving my scrotum! I visited my local massive Chemist (pharmacy) and was googling "Best way to shave balls" whilst in their male grooming aisle
I'm 51, and I have fathered a number of children. I'm done reproducing, and now I also can't have any accidents.