CDC Drops Quarantine, Distancing Recommendations For COVID-19 159
The nation's top public health agency relaxed its COVID-19 guidelines Thursday, dropping the recommendation that Americans quarantine themselves if they come into close contact with an infected person. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention also said people no longer need to stay at least 6 feet away from others. The Associated Press reports: The changes, which come more than 2 1/2 years after the start of the pandemic, are driven by a recognition that an estimated 95% of Americans 16 and older have acquired some level of immunity, either from being vaccinated or infected, agency officials said. "The current conditions of this pandemic are very different from those of the last two years," said the CDC's Greta Massetti, an author of the guidelines.
Perhaps the biggest education-related change is the end of the recommendation that schools do routine daily testing, although that practice can be reinstated in certain situations during a surge in infections, officials said. The CDC also dropped a "test-to-stay" recommendation, which said students exposed to COVID-19 could regularly test -- instead of quarantining at home -- to keep attending school. With no quarantine recommendation anymore, the testing option disappeared too. Masks continue to be recommended only in areas where community transmission is deemed high, or if a person is considered at high risk of severe illness.
Perhaps the biggest education-related change is the end of the recommendation that schools do routine daily testing, although that practice can be reinstated in certain situations during a surge in infections, officials said. The CDC also dropped a "test-to-stay" recommendation, which said students exposed to COVID-19 could regularly test -- instead of quarantining at home -- to keep attending school. With no quarantine recommendation anymore, the testing option disappeared too. Masks continue to be recommended only in areas where community transmission is deemed high, or if a person is considered at high risk of severe illness.
Drop all restrictions (Score:3, Insightful)
I have a lot better idea - at this point, drop all restrictions since Covid is really not worth worrying over compared to other things like flu.
Instead, issue a blanket recommendation going forward that if people are coughing or sneezing or simply feel really bad, they should stay home and away from others until they are better.
That would head off flu cases rising again after dropping from covid precautions. And it would do a great deal to head off or slow the spread of any future virus.
Re:Drop all restrictions (Score:5, Interesting)
I always got angry at coworkers who would show up at the office even though they obviously had a cold, as if to show how devoted they were. They just got us all sick.
Now I get to work from home all the time. Problem solved.
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Working from home and quarentines are the 1st step needed into moving us into a virtual world for interactions.
Re:Drop all restrictions (Score:5, Insightful)
Maybe they should even make it a law and bring something every other non-disaster-zone country takes for granted to America: universal paid sick leave.
This just in... people will go to work sick and be plague rats if the alternative is losing their job, or losing pay they can't afford to lose.
Re:Drop all restrictions (Score:5, Informative)
Trump got COVID and went back to work 3 days later.
Trump got access to advanced treatments, while most of us still can't even get a PCR test, let alone any kind of meaningful treatment if we get Covid.
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What are you talking about? The government is literally giving away home COVID tests. If you can't get testing that's your own fault.
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Me: PCR test
You: blah blah blah home test blah blah blah
Me: *middle finger*
Re:Drop all restrictions (Score:5, Insightful)
By, "back to work", do you mean lounging around most of the day watching TV in the whitehouse and or at one of his private clubs?
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Guy can't even lift a glass of water with one hand or walk down a ramp
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Guy can't even lift a glass of water with one hand or walk down a ramp
Oh for fuck's sake, there's abundant evidence to the contrary [youtube.com].
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He can get carted around and swing his arms, doesn't seem to contradict what I said
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And dear leader from North Korea doesn't ever poop.
While it is natural to get less sleep as one gets older, 4 hours a night for years is not healthy and leads to all kinds of problems. Instead of believing the fantastical how bout you assume what you do know which is that the President of the United States gets the best healthcare of any other citizen. When a normal person with Covid may have a dr or two to help them through it he had dozens including priority access to advanced imaging and the likes.
He i
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Citations seriously needed. Also, only sleeping four hours a night is unhealthy and pretty much inevitably leads to cognitive decline, dementia and even psychosis. Not really something to brag about. Also, most speculation is that he's probably taking quite a lot of stimulants. Pretty much everything known about his schedule and habits, etc. do not show that he is particularly productive and clearly show that he has a serious attention deficit problem. Have you ever listened to him speak and attempt to stay
Re:Drop all restrictions (Score:5, Informative)
It didn't kill an extra 1 million though. 84% of those would have died from heart disease, cancer pneumonia, tripping, etc.
How do I know this? Because at the peak the death rate at the height of the circus had only 17% more deaths than any other typical year.
So ~160,000 people died (most of them old or with existing health issues).
Sorry, where are you getting ~160,000? 17% more deaths than a typical year is about 575,000 per year and it's been two years. It is over a million excess deaths. Even at the moment the daily death rate from it is high enough to get another 160,000 in just one year unless there's a significant drop.
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I understand your argument, but it seems like bad math to me, since under quarantine situations the deaths from other things including car crashes should have declined. So even though the sum total was only a couple hundred thousand higher, the total from the disease itself had to be higher than that to make up for the decline in other causes of death.
Re: Drop all restrictions (Score:2)
By your logic, no disease is a problem because we are destined to die anyway. Amazing how conservatives are quick to ditch the every life is precious and all lives matter BS when it inconveniences them. It is known that most of us may have slow growing cancer tumors already. So who cares about dying a few years, early gasping for breath? No big deal huh. Never mind that people routinely pay a million dollars for cancer treatments that extend life by only 3 months. I know one family that does not regret dra
I think this is more an admission of defeat (Score:5, Interesting)
The trouble is we know we're going to get hit harder in winter so the CDC is likely backing off because they don't think they can get people to keep on their toes indefinitely. So the idea is to take a hit right now so that in the winter they can tighten things up.
I'll say that I do not want to get it. I've been lucky so far. Like win the lottery lucky. The people I know who got it while they haven't dropped dead and had a rough three four weeks.
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The trouble is we know we're going to get hit harder in winter so the CDC is likely backing off because they don't think they can get people to keep on their toes indefinitely. So the idea is to take a hit right now so that in the winter they can tighten things up.
The trouble with that idea is that the political wind does not permit going backward. Once a policy is relaxed, it is seldom reinstated even if the virus conditions become much worse than they were the relaxation occurred. By dropping the quarantine requirements now, the CDC is nearly guaranteeing that there will never be quarantine requirements.
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At this point, for the most part, it's not a pandemic, it's just endemic.
We have treatment options, we have vaccines, and we're pretty much at the point where everyone who wants a shot gets a shot, and anyone who's not getting it isn't getting one. Those who get a shot, probably don't even realize they caught it and dealt with it, and those who didn't, well, get to suffer from the 1-in-3 chance of getting long COVID.
So it's probably better to just drop the requirements, and let people do as they may - if yo
Re: I think this is more an admission of defeat (Score:3)
They're probably looking at this. Here's total deaths from all causes. This time last year we were ramping up for fourth wave, right now looks back to normal.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/... [cdc.gov]
We looked like we were in the clear last summer too when the vaccines were just rolled out, before the fourth wave, and I think 4&5 was a victory lap through the unvaccinated. I don't think there's a reason to expect another wave now (I mean deaths, not infections). Just my armchair quarterback analysis.
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Or maybe you got it already (Score:2)
You know you can get it multiple times, right? (Score:3, Informative)
And what you're suggesting ("COVID Parties") is a terrible idea. It leads to more mutations, never mind the risk of long covid.
The only way we "move on" from this is by eradicating it like we did with Polio. But with 1/2 the country's politicians dedicated to breaking our entire civilizati
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The only way we "move on" from this is by eradicating it like we did with Polio. But with 1/2 the country's politicians dedicated to breaking our entire civilization and looting the remains that isn't on the table.
The polio vaccine is 99% effective after 3 doses. This made is fairly easy to get to herd immunity (plus, the virus is terrible enough to motivate people).
For COVID you'd need >75% of the worlds population vaccinated in the space of a few months to get herd immunity, I don't think that's feasible.
It looks like we're stuck with it.
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You give up way, way too easy. I don't know if you're American but I bet you are.
You lost that bet, I'm Canadian.
As an American my people have become a bunch of whiny twats who give up at the slightest provocation. It's like we saw that bit from Homer Simpson about weaseling out of stuff and didn't realize it's a joke or they were not weasels
If we get an awesome omicron vaccine that stops re-infection maybe we can wipe it out, but I'm not hearing the researchers predicting that, most everyone is suggesting that COVID will become (or already is) endemic.
Relying on current vaccines I don't see how someone (American or not) could somehow vaccinate enough of the world to get herd immunity before the immunity wore off. And even if you wiped it out in humans there's been enough cross-species transmission that we'll get
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I bring it up because it's pretty obvious you've gone down the rabbit hole based on your subtle anti-vax undercurrents. It's always weird to see countries try to follow in America's failing footsteps. I mean when you se
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Always a little surprised though to see a right leaning or right wing Canadian though. You're going to miss your healthcare system when they take it away from you. You think you're going to get a bunch of hearts doctors but you're not you're just going to lose access to the American ones.
I bring it up because it's pretty obvious you've gone down the rabbit hole based on your subtle anti-vax undercurrents. It's always weird to see countries try to follow in America's failing footsteps. I mean when you see somebody fucking up you're not supposed to idolize them
Whaaaa?!? Me right wing? Me anti-vax?
I'm centre left (for Canada) and I'm triple vaxxed and considering a fourth shot (will def. get an omicron booster).
The fact that the vaccines are extremely safe, and it's a really good idea for people to take them (on an individual level and on a society level), doesn't mean we have the opportunity to eradicate COVID.
We can eradicate polio, like we eradicated smallpox, because the polio vaccine is extremely effective (99%), confers long-term (many years) immunity, and t
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I'm glad you are wrong about it being lethal post 65. I'm 67 and have just completed my week of Covid quarantine as required here (still). It wasn't too bad, comparing my symptoms with other folk, mostly much younger.
I have had 2 vaccines, 2 boosters, and am generally heathy (and in Australia). So healthy, in fact, the doctor said I wasn't eligible for antivirals, unfortunately.
But, as everyone says, your mileage may vary.
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If fully vaccinated and exposed on top of vaccination you get about 5-9 months of immunity, with the immune response dropping drastically around month 5. And it's no better (sometimes worse) the second time around. And what you're suggesting ("COVID Parties") is a terrible idea. It leads to more mutations, never mind the risk of long covid. The only way we "move on" from this is by eradicating it like we did with Polio. But with 1/2 the country's politicians dedicated to breaking our entire civilization and looting the remains that isn't on the table. More and more Boomers (who are largely responsible for putting those politicians in power) keep inching up to 65 though. And at that age COVID becomes lethal. It's frustrating, because they're signing their own death warrants and don't even know it.
Yes, yes, covid is easily eradicatable, if it only were it not for those damn republicans.
How fucking brainwashed you'd have to be to believe that?
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Who is saying that? You appear to be inventing grievance here. Vaccine hesitancy is not limited to Republicans but most Republican politicians are doing less than nothing to help the situation as they routinely ignore reality and then are surprised by the consequences. (See voting against veterans receiving benefits for burn pit exposure)
Its super confusing why a matter of health has any political footballs. Republican obstruction has become so bad that they had to be shamed into helping vets which should h
Re: You know I already addressed that right? (Score:2, Informative)
"because I realize that viruses mutate over time to be less and les lethal"
This line of reasoning is bullshit that is provably false. COVID mutated from something that was less lethal into what it is today.
It's all right wing talking point (Score:2, Troll)
Basically all aspects of our response to this public health crisis have been shaped by politics of people who now literally called themselves domestic terrorists. T
Re: It's all right wing talking point (Score:2, Insightful)
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Are you actually trying to argue that Trump didn't downplay the virus the entire time while knowing full well what would and did happen?
I hate to break it to you, but if a million people are dying and hundreds of thousands are sick you can't have a stable economy, its literally not possible.
It's also why the right wing anti-immigration makes no sense, if all you care about is the economy wouldn't you want more people? That is how economies grow as you constantly need more consumers to spread money around m
Re: It's all right wing talking point (Score:2)
I still don't get why progressives still don't understand the difference between immigration and illegal immigration, and why one can be opposed to the latter without being opposed to the former.
Literally every country on this planet has immigration laws. Why is it only evil for the US to have them?
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Because Stephen Miller was quite clear that all immigration was his target. [vanityfair.com] He also wanted to cut work visas and all other forms immigration. [nbcnews.com]
The only way you can stop illegal immigration is to eliminate it and allow anybody to register legally like the days of Ellis Island glory.
Otherwise if you actually wanted to keep them out instead of 10 to hundreds of billions of dollars on walls that do nothing you would just deploy a geosync satellite or two combined with onground mesh networks and cameras and y
Re: You know I already addressed that right? (Score:4, Informative)
Covid may have been manipulated in a lab to be something more lethal than it once was, but viruses never mutate up. That a virus kills is an accident of evolution. It's just programmed to spread, and it does so best when the host is alive and unaware.
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Depends on the size of the population. If the virus can spread very quickly by making people highly infectious, e.g. spreading on micro droplets or through touch, then evolution tends to favour that over keeping the host alive.
It's only once new hosts become somewhat uncommon that keeping the host alive takes precedence.
Also "alive" doesn't mean healthy. You can still infect people if your lungs are damaged and your brain is damaged.
Re: You know I already addressed that right? (Score:2)
Think about what you are saying. If "never mutate up" was true, no virus could ever be dangerous. They literally could not come into existence. The evidence is pretty clear thatâ(TM)s not the case.
Yes, it is not evolutionarily advantageous for a virus to become lethal kill off its host population. But that is not the same thing as saying it cannot happen. It can and it has, many times.
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I don't know where this comes from, its demonstrably untrue and you've seen it for yourself with various flu outbreaks year over year. If what you're saying is true the flu would be nothing for anybody but it still kills lots of people every year.
H1N1 was proven to be far more deadly than previous strains of the flu.
You seem to be confusing what nature would deem best with what actually happens. Yes, many viruses mutate and become less virulent but if you continue to allow mutation it comes back around.Th
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viruses mutate over time to be less and les lethal
That is the eventual tendency. In between then and now, assuming it even happens, many people can die. Even you. I don't wish it on you, but it would be better for everyone but you than you spreading a bunch of lies that get people killed because they listen to your ignorant cockery.
Re:You know you can get it multiple times, right? (Score:4, Informative)
No, No, NO. The way we move on from this is like every other bad cold/flu... we develop some immunity, and it mutates, and we get on with our lives.
The flu of 1918 (aka Spanish Flu) killed a lot of people. Pretty much all of the modern influenza that criss-crosses the world every year is a mutated descendent of Spanish Flu; it didn't disappear, it simply mutated to become less lethal and we developed some immunity.
COVID-19 is already doing the same thing; that's why the latest strains are nearly indistinguishable from a nasty cold by their symptoms (that is, the latest strains don't even generally have the hallmark loss-of-taste/loss-of-smell, they're just a runny nose, headache, fatigue, cough... exactly like all the other coronavirus-based common colds that have been around for a long, long time).
Smallpox was around for thousands of years and it killed 300-500 million people in the 20th century [wikipedia.org].
On average viruses evolve to be less lethal, but it's by no means an iron clad rule.
We've been lucky in that the most recent COVID mutation is less lethal (Delta wasn't).
We've been unlucky in that it evolved to evade the immune response and it's still running rampant.
Hopefully it does follow the course of the 1918 flu and continues to become less lethal, but our recent pre-COVID experience of not being worried about the very dangerous and prevalent disease is actually pretty unusual in the course of human history. We could be dealing with large annual death tolls from COVID for the next 50 years until the next medical breakthrough.
Re: You know you can get it multiple times, right? (Score:2)
Happened. It was a moral dilema, but most Herman Cain Award winners were impossible to feel sorry for after you read their collage of COVID denying dumbassery on social media. You had to be pretty special to get an HCA, they earned it.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/... [cdc.gov]
Re:Lucky is having had it. (Score:5, Informative)
Every re-infection has a new chance of Long Covid symptoms, and there's evidence of cumulative damage between infections. Covid isn't like the flu, the cold, or any other virus we've learned to live with in the modern era of vaccination and herd immunity (which in itself has all suffered with idiots refusing to get vaccinated leading to reemergence of diseases we'd eradicated from community transmission eg polio.)
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Past performance is not indicative of future results
But the CDC made predictions base on past performance of other viral infestations. And also, *told* us the vaccinations worked.
The pissy part was how the term *worked* kept getting redefined.
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You would like to believe that, wouldn't you? If only that were true.
The trials for the Covid-19 vaccine were designed neither to prevent infection, nor to reduce hospitalizations or serious disease, nor were they tested on pregnant women or unhealthy people [bmj.com]. In fact, if the vaccine were to increase one's likelihood of being infected, or to increase hospitalizations or dea
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You are assuming facts not in evidence. The facts that are in evidence are saying being vaccinated and boosted may not prevent infection but it absolutely does reduce the severity of the illness. The new vaccine coming out this fall will be a better prophylactic which will reduce infection rates but will also reduce severity of any illness from Covid or any of the variants we know about today.
The CDC has always been honest about this from the very beginning. The original vaccine was great at preventing inf
Re: I think this is more an admission of defeat (Score:2)
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Actual CDC Press Release (Score:3)
https://www.cdc.gov/media/rele... [cdc.gov]
The way I see it... (Score:4, Interesting)
Is that governments are frightened of ruining their country's economies any further, so they are generally giving up and just letting people do whatever they like, no matter how many people die. In my country they dropped almost all of the measures, but the number of cases is pretty high and the number of deaths, too. My feeling is - they just can't *afford* to care any more. I feel left to my own devices, especially because I'm in a high-risk group, plus my immune system isn't great.
I continue to wear mask in all confined spaces [stores etc.] including public transport because judging by the results of these relaxations I'm not at all convinced it is the right thing to do just yet. I'm going to also get vaccinated for the 4th time soon as it's been more than 6 months since my last vax. I feel like at least wearing a mask in confined spaces should have stayed mandatory to protect the less health-fortunate people from getting it. It just feels like a reasonable thing to do, but tourism and economy has a precedence now.
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It's not just the "less health-fortunate" that need protecting. Anyone can get Long COVID no matter how healthy they are to begin with.
Long COVID is going to be the next big economic crisis. With millions of people unable to work, or at least on reduced hours, it's going to damage our economies. There is already a shortage of workers in many industries, so the last thing we need is more people dropping out of the workforce. Many countries look after the chronically ill too, i.e. there will be more benefit p
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So deal with it. (Score:2)
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If you want it.
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I have not left my house without a mask and only on short trips to get boosters for two years now. If I can save ONE life it will be worth it.
Exactly what I expected to hear.(and good for you)
So why is the CDC not supporting your world view of how to live life?
The question is still why?
Are people now less important now? One life to save is to costly??
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"Exactly what I expected to hear.(and good for you)
So why is the CDC not supporting your world view of how to live life?"
The CDC doesn't have cancer.
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Basically, at this point we have two things going for us:
1) Most people have at least some immunity
2) We now have a variety of reasonably effective treatments available for COVID patients to greatly reduce their chance of dying.
Between the two, your odds of dying from an infection are much lower than they used to be.
It's not safe, but nothing is. And at this point we must recognize that there's not a lot of hope that the next round of vaccines will be dramatically more effective than the existing ones, nor
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Yes, perhaps the most important point. I can't believe I skipped it.
When hospitals get overloaded we have to start performing triage and let the most severe cases die untreated, which sends the death rate from ALL causes shooting upwards. And of course dead bodies piling up introduces a whole host of other public health problems.
All the "Lower the Curve" messaging was spot on, and a damned good reason for aggressive control measures since it dramatically reduces the number of expected deaths. And I would
Re: Why?????? (Score:2)
This is a stupid take for morons and you should feel bad.
Emergency rooms (in Canada) are still overwhelmed by people coming in because they're so sick. Long COVID isnâ(TM)t just in the head, it's a real problem. The danger of COVID isn't just from death, itâa all these other knock-on effects.
I've had the flu a couple times, have you? The flu fucking sucks. Even in my 30s with the max amount of cold medication, I slept 22 hours a day and was non-functional for a week. It took 3 weeks before I was r
Re: Why?????? (Score:3, Insightful)
Literally everyone I know has had Covid at least once. The restrictions don't work and are dumb. Good riddance.
Re: Why?????? (Score:2, Funny)
J&J was my vaccine, covid is my booster. It even automatically upgrades to the most recent strain.
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Why limit it to only Covid protections?
Imagine how many lives would be saved if we changed the driving speed limit to 30 miles an hour? How much obesiety could be avoided if we elimated fast food?
Maybe should keep masks on during flue season as well. That may save a life.
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if they didn't stack displays in the aisles we wouldn't need the arrows.
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>"Nothing other than lower transmission by around 50%. But other than that, yeah, nothing."
There is no credible study that shows any such thing is true in the real world population wearing such masks. About the most I have seen is 15%, and that was probably optimistic. Meanwhile, comparing infection rates in populations with and without "mask mandates", holding as much constant as possible, seems to show almost no difference. Almost the same as the "maintain social distance" stuff.... of little use in
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Yes. Anything more than 0% is better than 0%, in theory. In practice, is it worth the panic, inconvenience, cost, and personal violation? I don't think so. The X reduction in transmission also doesn't equate to X reduction in severe illness or death, especially over the last year where the infection rate is orders of magnitude higher and the danger is orders of magnitude lower. It also lowers the uptake of actually effective masks by those who do need them, and lowers focus on things that could be far m
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Interesting, but inaccurate conclusion. Whatever.
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> 15% is better than 0% yes or no?
No. Resounding no.
The side effects of mask wearing have a risk profile that exceeds the risks of a 15% covid increase.
If you just thought "what side effects?" then that is an epistemological clue to further study the epidemiological problem.
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What side effects? I looked it up. Here are the top reasons I found after a quick search:
Mess with your vision, causing you to want to touch your eyes and then possibly contaminating yourself? That didn't happen for me. An easy workaround for people with self-touching problems is to also wear goggles.
Cause your glasses to fog? Yeah I wear glasses, so I have to put the mask on a certain way so it doesn't fog them up. That's an inconvenience, not a medical side effect.
They
Re:Unvaxxed being rehired with back pay? (Score:4, Insightful)
There certainly are some people out there who do have the mathematical capability but have gotten caught up in conspiracy theory insanity. Some of them are very functional at work because they compartmentalize. They might choose their politics based on alternative facts but when it comes to getting a job done they are willing to use actual facts. But I wouldn't know how to figure that out in an interview and I'm not sure that anybody selfish enough to be unvaccinated is going to be somebody you would want to work with.
Re:Unvaxxed being rehired with back pay? (Score:4)
So, you now think that a person making a personal choice as to what they want or do not want injected into their body is "selfish"?
Geez, personal autonomy used to be a basic human dignity that everyone respected.
You might not agree with the choice, but it IS up to the individual to decide.
And given the lack of efficacy over time of the vaccines....that persons decision to vax or not, has really no effect on anyone else out there.
I got the 2x vax shots plus booster...that way my personal decision as I weighted the facts as I know them and the risk given with the vaccine, but I certainly don't project any ignorance or have negative feelings against anyone that made a different decision.
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I once worked at a company where, due to schedules, we had to do training on a weekend. Everybody was given an extra $300 for having to attend on a Saturday. One employee declared that their Saturday wasn't worth $300 and they wouldn't be attending. There was no disagreem
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I cannot think of many jobs where it would not be compatible...?
This is simply not true my friend.
There are PLENTY of people that have been vaccinated, and caught covid and were spreaders during their infectious period.
Hence, you cannot know if someone has covid, asymptomatically or not and infectious while around you based on whether they
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Convenient timing for the election cycle.
The credibility of the agencies in this country is a major concern and ongoing social issue.
Someone modded this fact down as "Troll" because it did not align with their politics.
Oh that helps!
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