WHO Declares Global Health Emergency Over Monkeypox Outbreak (reuters.com) 149
Reuters reports:
The rapidly spreading monkeypox outbreak represents a global health emergency, the World Health Organization's highest level of alert, WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said on Saturday.
The WHO label — a "public health emergency of international concern" — is designed to trigger a coordinated international response and could unlock funding to collaborate on sharing vaccines and treatments. Members of an expert committee that met on Thursday to discuss the potential recommendation were split on the decision, with nine members against and six in favour of the declaration, prompting Tedros himself to break the deadlock, he told reporters. "Although I am declaring a public health emergency of international concern, for the moment this is an outbreak that is concentrated among men who have sex with men, especially those with multiple sexual partners," Tedros told a media briefing in Geneva.
The WHO label — a "public health emergency of international concern" — is designed to trigger a coordinated international response and could unlock funding to collaborate on sharing vaccines and treatments. Members of an expert committee that met on Thursday to discuss the potential recommendation were split on the decision, with nine members against and six in favour of the declaration, prompting Tedros himself to break the deadlock, he told reporters. "Although I am declaring a public health emergency of international concern, for the moment this is an outbreak that is concentrated among men who have sex with men, especially those with multiple sexual partners," Tedros told a media briefing in Geneva.
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That's the original "super spreader" mechanism for HIV as well. You'd think the HIV incident would have ingrained the need to practice "safe sex," but nope.
Posting as an AC because you can't simply describe reality without being branded a racist/homophobe/whatever.
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In this case "safe sex" won't help. It's not spread in a way stopped by condoms. So the lessons learned were that having your fun was workable if you at least used condoms, but that lesson doesn't help that community in this case.
Currently the breakouts are absolutely in a community of promiscuous physical contact in MSM, but could absolutely spread to other communities with similar promiscuous contact. It's a thin line to walk to point out the reality of how it's spreading without incurring undue stigma
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Actually, it's bad to call in an STD. There's a general understanding that STDs are mitigated by condoms. Since this is spread by physical content incidental to the actual sex, condoms don't do anything. So people who engage in wanton promiscuous thinking their condoms are protecting them are exposed to risk.
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Some people want to associate it with gay men, so that when schools go back and it starts ripping throwing the student population they can push their "groomer" narrative.
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Some people want to associate it with gay men, so that when schools go back and it starts ripping throwing the student population they can push their "groomer" narrative.
This is exactly what a conspiracy theorist would say.
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Some people want to associate it with gay men
...so they can pretend their heterosexuality gives them some form of immunity. Then when the disease discovers that bisexual men are a thing, they can be all surprised Pikachu face when straight people start spreading it too.
Happened with AIDS back in the day, too. History truly does repeat itself, because people don't learn from it.
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When it doesn't "go ripping" through [sic on your part, I presume] the student population, what will your narrative be?
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> There's a general understanding that STDs are mitigated by condoms.
There absolutely is no such thing. Condoms offer very little protection against Herpes.
https://www.cdc.gov/condomeffe... [cdc.gov]
The entire "genital ulcer" section is only really protected against by this.
That being said, calling monkeypox an STD is a bad plan for a different reason- it can be spread by close and sustained proximity, which STDs normally cannot. "Does a condom help?" isn't a good metric. But if you take a shower with, and have several meals with, someone with a virus- say in one case HIV, and in the other case a monkeypox virus, the former has no chance of spread and the latter has a small to moderate chance of spread.
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In the popular community, absolutely there is an expectation that condoms mitigate STDs. I'm not saying the general population's understanding is perfect, but generally speaking a random person thinks "condom == prevent stds".
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Riiight, which it is 93% of all cases are transmitted male to male. Even though females are much more touchy feely on average. The overwhelmingly primary method of transmission is male on male sexual contact with the secondary transmission probably being females who have sexual contact with men who recently had sex with another man. While you can get it through mere contact the incidence is so low as to be irrelevant.
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We shall see, when the school term starts and you have kids mingling but in a completely non sexual way.
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Again if non-sexual contact was a significant factor, especially with lots of clothes on, you would see a much higher incident rate in female social groups. Instead the primary female infection vector is sex with men who had sex with other men. When 23 out of every 25 cases are gay men and the only children infected had significant long term close contact with gay men, then it's not a disease the general population has to worry about.
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Incidentally, the population that the government should immediately work to vaccinate is the jail and prison populations, because not only is isolation of the infected difficult in such settings, but unwilling bodily fluid and sexual contact happens often. If it starts spreading in those populations things could get bad for whichever individual system it spreads in.
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The reason its spreading among gay men is a result of extreme promiscuity.
Well, to be fair, it's a fairly recent thing that gays can settle down and get married. I've been fond of mentioning that the iPad is actually older than the right to same-sex marriage. It's no wonder that a culture denied the experience of forming the same pair bonds as heterosexuals trended towards promiscuity.
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Well, to be fair, it's a fairly recent thing that gays can settle down and get married. I've been fond of mentioning that the iPad is actually older than the right to same-sex marriage. It's no wonder that a culture denied the experience of forming the same pair bonds as heterosexuals trended towards promiscuity.
Gay chicks are not having this problem. It's only gay dudes.
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Just keep it in your pants for 3 mos and it will all blow over.
Heck, just stick to having sex with people whose names you know - is that so difficult? Seriously, one of the big issues preventing health agencies from slowing/stopping the spread of monkeypox has apparently been an inability to do effective contact tracing because a non trivial percentage of the infected individuals are unable to provide the names of the people they've recently had sex with.
Didn't HIV teach anyone anything?
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And it doesn't help that assholes can use this as an excuse to call it a "gay disease" like AIDS when it was just starting to go around. Keeping it in your pants or not jumping around for a while will help everyone.
And will give assholes less excuses to use against the gays.
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Care to tell us who the infected population was when it was 'just starting to go around'?
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No, it is merely caused passed via close body contact, male or female.
This NBC article about Monkeypox [nbcnews.com] says that 95% of cases "are believed to have transmitted during sex between men". Sure, the original AC is probably a homophobic fuck, but denial of actual facts doesn't help. Even if it's just caused by the disease having already spread in that community, and things are going to change soon, it's clear that there's a homosexual male issue going on at this moment.
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No, it is merely caused passed via close body contact, male or female.
Yes, technically that is true, but that doesn't change the fact that ~95% of the cases involve male/male contact.
When COVID hit we didn't have any problem telling everyone to stay home. We didn't have any problem telling businesses to shut down. We didn't have any problem shutting down schools and keeping kids home. And that is OK -- That was the right thing to do.
So why is it so terrible to tell fags to stop fucking random strangers for a couple of months.
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Not really the WHO, just Ghebreyesus (Score:5, Insightful)
The WHO panel actually decided 9-6 AGAINST declaring Moneypox a global health emergency [statnews.com].
But the WHO leader override that vote, and decided all by himself it was.
So this is basically the equivalent of promoting some panic blog.
The other reason Monkeypox is not really a global health emergency is it's spread only by contact, and mostly sexual contact - since when has an STD been a global health emergency? So far only five people have died around the world and 95% of the people who have contracted Monkeypox are men having sex with other men [nbcnews.com], which makes sense since only men are gross enough to have sex with someone even when they are covered in large nasty pustules.
I guess maybe the WHO should promote a slogan to compete Monkeypox - "Don't Be Gay". That should go over well.
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You’re right about the slashdot crowd being safe from sexually transmitted diseases.
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(old time
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It's more fear and paranoia to distract from inconvenient political shortcomings.
Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus is in the back pocket of political leaders that could use some distractions.
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From the fine article:
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two sources told Reuters earlier on Saturday said he had likely decided to back the highest alert level due to concerns about escalating case rates and a short supply of vaccines
You know what's not going to help the vaccine supply? declaring it a global health emergency and not mentioning you are really only at risk if you are a gay male.
Because it's declared an emergency, lots of countries and people will stockpile or vaccines they will never actually need.
If the WHO had announced Monkeypox was not a glo
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declaring it a global health emergency and not mentioning you are really only at risk if you are a gay male.
Is that true? Seems other people have sex besides gay males.
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Unless you're fucking a male who recently had sex with other males, or a female who had sex with a male who had sex with other males, the probability you contract this thing is beyond miniscule.
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That kind of raises the question then, why aren't other STDs predominantly in male homosexuals?
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Most STDs are long lived infections and so in sane non hyper promiscous largely non-anonymous sexual environments live long enough to be passed on. This thing is an infection that's over from start to finish in 2-4 weeks in the vast majority of cases. So outside of the hyper promiscuous gay male "bathhouse" culture it is MUCH less likely to continue to be transmitted.
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The people who control the vaccines know who's at risk, the WHO has a page of facts and Q&A and major news outlets discuss who are the most at risk, for example, WaPo
https://www.washingtonpost.com... [washingtonpost.com]
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A 9-6 split sounds more like a matter of opinion to me -- that's 60% - 40%.
As to how it can be a matter of opinion, you can't really criticize declaring or not declaring a state of emergency without knowing what that *means*. It's not as if putting a tag on a situation magically changes anything. What it does is trigger a set of organizational contingency procedures. So the question isn't "Is this *really* an emergency?" It's "are the procedures we've laid out for emergencies useful here?"
In order to ju
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Or perhaps they're contagious before showing symptoms?
Not with Monkeypox. People first become contagious after presentation of symptoms.
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According to the CDC, the first contagious stage presents with lesions inside of the mouth. That could easily go unnoticed, especially if alcohol and/or drugs are involved.
This is what the CDC hyperlink YOU provided actually says:
"Persons with monkeypox will develop an early set of symptoms (prodrome). A person may sometimes be contagious during this period.
The first symptoms include fever, malaise, headache, sometimes sore throat and cough, and lymphadenopathy (swollen lymph nodes).
Lymphadenopathy is a distinguishing feature of monkeypox from smallpox.
This typically occurs with fever onset, 1â"2 days before rash onset, or rarely with rash onset.
Lymph nodes may swell in
Why is it not properly defined? (Score:2)
It seems to be a sexually-transmitted disease, but that has not been mentioned in any of the other popular media.
What has been put out so far has caused a large run on the relatively-rare treatment. Proper phrasing would reduce that need to people needing treatment.
But that seems to be impossible now.
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If hugging were a significant vector, the non-sexual incident rate would A) be much higher and B) show up with a greater infection rate of women in general and in case tracking specifically with other women in their social groups since on average women are extremely touchy-feely with one another in public settings compared to men. Instead, the vast majority of known female cases come from women who have had sex with men who have had sex with other men. While non-sexual contact is possible, as a significant
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If hugging were a significant vector, the non-sexual incident rate would A) be much higher and B) show up with a greater infection rate of women in general and in case tracking specifically with other women in their social groups since on average women are extremely touchy-feely with one another in public settings compared to men.
Except for the fact that is has been established to be a vector as the OP already conceded. You seem to be ignoring that this exact case goes against your point.
Instead, the vast majority of known female cases come from women who have had sex with men who have had sex with other men. While non-sexual contact is possible, as a significant vector in the disease's spread it is a nonentity.
And how that that factor into the OP's suggestion that a homosexual male who happens to be a father must have gotten it from stranger sex while his children must have gotten it from hugging? It is spread by close contact. A gay man can have close contact with someone without sex. And by "nonentity", you seem to be forgetting that the case in questio
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"Established as a vector" Well, no, no it hasn't. Theoretically possible, yes. Shown to be a transmission vector in any case in the US or Europe, negatory. As I noted not two posts down, very young children and infants like to stick their hands places and then stuff their hands in their mouth and suck on it. Including up the nose or in the mouth of whoever's holding them. Which IS a viable transmission vector for the virus. So would attempting to get the kid to eat in the case of the infant by eating their
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Again you missed the point. Three people in a household have monkeypox. One adult male and two children. The OP lept to the conclusion that the father must have had stranger sex and then transmitted it to his children possibly by hugging. Why is that the most likely scenario? As you have pointed out, young children are generally unsanitary. Is it not also possible that the children got it first? Is is possible that no stranger sex was involved and all three got it through close contact.
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You know this how?
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Depends on the age of the kid. In this case in the US a toddler and an infant. Which are notorious for doing things like sticking their hands everywhere and anywhere, including while you are holding them in your mouth, and then sticking their hand back in their own mouth and sucking on it for 5 minutes. Since most older kids aren't constantly touching random shit and then sticking their hands in their mouth and sucking on them not a very large concern.
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However do condoms even apply in this scenario? Seems to be likely that the spread is through physical contact incidental with the sex act without the actual sexual fluids needing to be involved.
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(snip) but since using condoms is now a form of baby-murder in large parts of the US you guys are kind of up shit creek with out a paddle.
Emphasis added - you misspelled "fringe".
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but since using condoms is now a form of baby-murder in large parts of the US you guys are kind of up shit creek with out a paddle.
Citations please.
https://marketrealist.com/p/wh... [marketrealist.com]
FTFA: "Which states have banned birth control?
Fortunately, no states have currently banned birth control.
Let's stick to the facts and not hysterical drama and hyperbole. We don't need replay of Covid for a disease whose spread can be controlled by responsible behavior.
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Fortunately, no states have currently banned birth control.
Give them time. They are working on it.
https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/r... [pewtrusts.org]
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note to self, most people don't give a shit about who does what with their just/gear, they just want to be left alone to live their OWN lives, and not have to pay for other peoples choices.
Complicated, huh?
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Whatever, keep telling yourself that. Most people think birth control is ok. Most people think abortion is ok early, and especially when it is a decision saving the mother.
You would never know it from the politicians they elect. Obviously they don't represent "most people" then, no matter how much you extol your democracy.
Do you know you're being played by the progressive/marxists/lame stream media?
I'm not American (thankfully). It is sad to see what is happening to your once great country, and it is not the media's fault. Reality is not simply an editorial position.
they just want to be left alone to live their OWN lives
As it should be, but not looking that way in practice. The only difference between the right and left is which particular parts of everyone else's lives they want to control. But make
I almost have to wonder... (Score:1)
I almost have to wonder if this is a message from God to tell us humans to straighten up and fly right. God did some seriously bad shit in scripture in the past, He's probably pissed off at humanity for destroying His world like we have with constant pollution, and this is our wake-up call to fix our shit.
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Or put another way [imgur.com] . . .
Re:I almost have to wonder... (Score:4, Insightful)
I almost have to wonder if this is a message from God to tell us humans to straighten up and fly right. God did some seriously bad shit in scripture in the past, He's probably pissed off at humanity for destroying His world like we have with constant pollution, and this is our wake-up call to fix our shit.
If there is a God he's probably doing a Kuiper Belt inventory looking for something nice and big to send our way to reboot this creation experiment he's supposedly got going.
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If I were Him, I'd be thinking that way too. I've too lost faith in Humanity.
Now see here /. editors (Score:2)
I was just getting used to.. (Score:1)
Panic for panic sake... (Score:5, Insightful)
I guess we're going to see a LOT of this, since Covid.
It's like the media are just begging to find the "next big story" in terms of a pandemic.
The reality? - for the _vast_ majority of people, this is a total NON-ISSUE.
If you aren't in the habit of being extremely promiscuous, having multiple sexual partners etc. - the chances of getting this virus are vanishingly small.
It requires, pretty much, the swapping of bodily fluids.
Sure, you may get super unlucky and in public, have a cut which brushes up against someone with the infection - hell, I don't know, on public transport or something, but hell, the chances of that are so ridiculously slim.
And even if you are unfortunate enough to get this virus, for the vast majority, the symptoms are mild.
I frikkin' HATE the media, most of the time - bunch of ass-hats trying to sow panic.
next wave (Score:1)
Awesome. A new pandemic.
Better tell all of the leaders to ignore it as SOON as possible.
Death is political!
Hetero, Married, Monogamous (Score:2)
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Insinuating the monkeypox is made in China sounds like another right wing groundnut fevered dream.
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Will that vaccine need 6G cellphone masts to turn everyone autistic or is it compatible with 5G?
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We have a vaccine because the smallpox vaccine also seems to cover monkeypox. You can read more here [canada.ca].
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We have a vaccine because the smallpox vaccine also seems to cover monkeypox. You can read more here [canada.ca].
Really happy I got my Smallpox vaccine all those years ago. Thanks Mom.
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or ate monkey brains in Bangladesh.
Monkey brains are not halal and are not eaten in Bangladesh.
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It's called Monkeypox because it was first observed in monkeys.
It's not exclusive to them and can be found in several other mammals.
Thus, the source of the zoonosis could have been any other critters that serves as bush meat in poorer region and/or that get more often in contact with humans than before now that we're encroaching on its habitat.
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Fun with names. (Score:2)
we really should revamp our naming conventions eh?
Yup. Otherwise, we're that close of being accused of Centaur-fucking [fandom.com] as soon as SARS-CoV-2 Comicron BA.2.75 Centaurus becomes widespread somewhere.
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...of homophobia, prudishness & racism! You can rely on /. to deliver.
Fucking everything that moves is unhealthy. It spreads disease that would otherwise not be spreading. If you think reality is unfair and offends your sensibilities take it up with Ahura Mazda.
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Lots of people do lots of things that are unhealthy, risky, &/or irresponsible. I don't see the prudish morality brigade taking to /. to condemn them or tell them what to do.
Whataboutism FTW
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Well, I guess it's just an example of god striking down sinners & we needn't be concerned about this "gay plague."
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Nope.
A whataboutism is precisely what "Lots of people do lots of things that are unhealthy, risky, &/or irresponsible. I don't see the prudish morality brigade taking to /. to condemn them or tell them what to do." is.
Instead of addressing the issue at hand on the merits you've instead sought to distract with what about all of this other shit.
It's pointing out that the prudish homophobic trolls have crawled out from under their stones to pass moral judgement rather than to be concerned about a public health issue.
This really is something best taken up with Ahura Mazda.
If you don't like the fact promiscuous sexual behavior unnecessarily spreads diseases calling everyone trolls is
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That's what they said initially about HIV.
HIV is not Monkeypox. You know that you have it before you are contagious and it lasts a few weeks.
HIV never goes away and it can take years for symptoms to appear the whole time you are contagious.
Again, obsessing about the sexual & gay aspects of an epidemic.
"Obsessing" over the transmission chain is the prudent course of action when the goal is stopping transmission. If Monkeypox was being spread thru mosh pits it would be equally prudent to "obsess" over them as well.
Children are getting it too.
Monkeypox is not being spread by children.
Should parents stop hugging their children?
When they have Monkeypox YES.
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Pretending that calling for self-control is homophobic implies homosexuals are incapable of behaving like a civilized human being. You are saying
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Additionally worth mentioning is that gay communities & gay oriented media are pretty good at addressing public health issues that may be affecting them, especially since the HIV epidemic, & dealing with them in practical, evidence informed ways.
Obviously not working.
They don't need you to pass prudish, poorly informed judgement on them. You're not telling them anything they haven't heard before or anything they don't know already. Perhaps you could learn a thing or two by listening for a change.
All I'm hearing are excuses and deflections. Analogous to telling a fat smoker being fat and smoking are unhealthy only to have them launch into a tirade about how they are being judged and everyone should mind their own business. I guess not ruffling feathers is better than dead friends and family?
Only here the people being placed at risk are not the ones engaged in behavior that is sustaining transmission chains. It's children and the unborn that have the highest health risks.
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I can see you clearly have issues with homosexuality. Your homophobia is your problem & it's your problem that you can't see beyond your own prejudices.
Do you deny transmission is being driven by promiscuous homosexual males?
If you don't deny it what are you objecting to? Statements of objective fact? If you deny it what is the objective basis?
Do you believe objective reality is inherently homophobic? If so have you tried to petition Ahura Mazda to have reality changed to better align with your sensibilities?
Hopefully, you don't spend too much of your day obsessing about what some men might be doing with each other. Perhaps you can find another forum where you can get help with that?
Derisive commentary is incapable of altering reality. It does not change what is true and what is false. The fact remains promiscuous homosexual
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"So in short, we have an outbreak that has spread around the world rapidly, through new modes of transmission, about which we understand too little, and which meets the criteria in the International Health Regulations." - Tedros Adhanom, WHO Director General, 23 July 2022. Retrieved from https://www.who.int/news-room/... [who.int]
At no point does the statement mention promiscuous homosexual men as the main driver or a driver at all of the spread of monkeypox. However, it does mention other factors that vary in different countries. You can read it for yourself.
Again, if you're obsessing about "gay plagues" & the like, take a good look at yourself & question the way you're framing this & if applicable turn off &/or stop reading extremist, hysterical media channels that aren't doing anyone any good.
If you want to con
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At no point does the statement mention promiscuous homosexual men as the main driver or a driver at all of the spread of monkeypox. However, it does mention other factors that vary in different countries. You can read it for yourself.
"Although 98% of cases so far are among men who have sex with men"
"For men who have sex with men, this includes, for the moment, reducing your number of sexual partners, reconsidering sex with new partners, and exchanging contact details with any new partners to enable follow-up if needed.
The focus for all countries must be engaging and empowering communities of men who have sex with men to reduce the risk of infection and onward transmission, to provide care for those infected, and to safeguard human right
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You seem to have failed to comprehend the bit about dignity that you quoted. Again, you want to frame it to suit your own prejudices & just be divisive. You can f**k right off.
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I never denied that there are clusters & yes, the statement does mention them. Where does it say that gay men are the main driver of the spread of monkeypox?
That would be this...
"Overall, 98% of the persons with infection were gay or bisexual men. Transmission was suspected to have occurred through sexual activity in 95% of the persons with infection"
What is the recommendation from the WHO for controlling transmission?
"The focus for all countries must be engaging and empowering communities of men who have sex with men to reduce the risk of infection and onward transmission"
You seem to have failed to comprehend the bit about dignity that you quoted.
Again, you want to frame it to suit your own prejudices & just be divisive. You can f**k right off.
All I am doing is citing sources. Anyone can follow the links and make up their own mind
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So, would you like to repeat the "constructive" comments you offered earlier? How well do you think they'd work? How helpful do you think the WHO & the various CDCs around the world would find it?
Repeat what?
Perhaps you could extend those comments to people who gather & talk in enclosed, unventilated spaces & spread all kinds of airborne diseases? It's unnatural & risky & their own fault if they get sick, right?
I don't see any value in whataboutisms. They are annoying devices designed exclusively to distract and excuse. My sacred cow was besmirched therefore in the interests of fairness I demand all sacred cows be similarly addressed.
I think it is obvious to everyone in the real world there are real world consequences for human behaviors. Whether it is smoking, excessive drinking, running a marathon in 110 degree heat, shooting drugs, poor diets or fucking everything that moves. You can not like th
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