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UK Startup Achieves 'Projectile Fusion' Breakthrough (ft.com) 46

A British startup pioneering a new approach to fusion energy has successfully combined atomic nuclei, in what the UK regulator described as an important step in the decades-long effort to generate electricity from the reaction that powers the sun. From a report: Oxford-based First Light Fusion, which has been developing an approach called projectile fusion since 2011, said it had produced energy in the form of neutrons by forcing deuterium isotopes to fuse, validating years of research. While other fusion experiments have generated more power for longer, either by using "tokamak" machines or high-powered lasers, First Light says its approach, which involves firing a projectile at a target containing the fuel, could offer a faster route to commercial fusion power. "The value of this [result] is that it offers potentially a much cheaper, a much easier path to power production," said chief executive Nicholas Hawker.

To achieve fusion, First Light used a hyper-velocity gas gun to launch a projectile at a speed of 6.5km per second -- about 10 times faster than a rifle bullet -- at a tiny target designed to amplify the energy of the impact and force the deuterium fuel to fuse. The design of the target -- a clear cube, a little over a centimetre wide, enclosing two spherical fuel capsules -- is the key technology and is closely guarded by the company. "It is the ultimate espresso capsule," Hawker told the Financial Times last year. First Light, which is backed by China's Tencent, hopes to manufacture and sell the targets to future power plants -- built to its design -- which would need to vaporise one every 30 seconds to generate continual power.
Further reading: So How Close Are We Now to Nuclear Fusion Energy? (August 2021).
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UK Startup Achieves 'Projectile Fusion' Breakthrough

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  • by wakeboarder ( 2695839 ) on Thursday April 07, 2022 @05:40PM (#62426868)

    Most people with a reasonable amount of effort can do this in their garage and you can fuse a few atoms together. The real problem is net energy gain and not destroying your apparatus in the process. The article mentions absolutely nothing about how much energy or how much fusion they are attaining.

    • by spun ( 1352 )

      Not to mention, capturing and using the energy. All the articles are light on details. There is nothing I can find about the technique except the company's won website, which is all fluff. You'd think if this was not pure bunk, there would be some scientific literature describing the technique. I can't find any. It's like these guys appeared out of the blue, today.

      But who knows, it sounds plausible at least. It's doing some kind of focused cavity collapse thing, they say they were inspired by cavitation and

      • Tecent is an investor. They probably did some due diligence.
        • Depends. Companies that invest at this stage (which seems to be what First Light is after) will have to bring serious cash and will probably do some due diligence. Tencent is already in, probably got in at the ground floor for a modest sum. At that stage, a company like that will throw money at anything that is somewhat plausible. You get a cursory check for the more obvious signs of fraud, and they'll want to know who is working for you. Not the level of scrutiny that will see through a convincing dog
        • Maybe, but I've been following the modern fusion craze, and there are a lot of examples of large investments in completely hopeless ideas.

          This particular scheme isn't obviously crazy but right now their energy yield is about 1e-17 of the energy they put in. Their projectiles are 6.5Km/s and they probably need ~100Km/s and maybe quite a bit more. Shock waves behave differently at high temperatures - X-ray radiation starts to become a big issue etc. Might work, I think collision fusion is worth studying
    • Some other source reported they measured 10s of neutrons coming from the chamber thus proving nuclear fusion, they "just" have to scale to 10^28 or sth. And yes, you can build a nuclear fusion device in your garage: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wik... [wikipedia.org]
    • by jemmyw ( 624065 ) on Thursday April 07, 2022 @08:27PM (#62427266)
      https://www.theregister.com/20... [theregister.com] 50. 50 Neutrons. They say themselves that they need 10^18. So, they only need to scale it up... 2^16 times. Good luck!
    • by joe_frisch ( 1366229 ) on Thursday April 07, 2022 @09:51PM (#62427434)
      Don't know why someone rated this "off topic", its 100% correct.

      Fusion is easy. Getting more energy out of fusion than you put in is what is hard. There are a LOT of ways to do fusion, from Farnsworth fusor (which is not hard to build in your garage) to explosively driven shock tunnels, to deuterium guns etc etc. None of those have any hope of getting to breakeven,.

      I think this https://firstlightfusion.com/s... [firstlightfusion.com] is the orginal source. They have detected neutrons but so far the efficiency is very low.
      • by Zak3056 ( 69287 )

        Getting more energy out of fusion than you put in is what is hard

        Eh... not so much. Some plutonium, some tritium, some conventional explosives, and you will get many orders of magnitude more energy out than you put in... Being able to use the energy you get out (and, as someone else noted above, not destroying the apparatus) is what it hard.

  • by Klaxton ( 609696 ) on Thursday April 07, 2022 @05:47PM (#62426894)

    The article is paywalled, but apparently their accomplishment was "produced energy in the form of neutrons by forcing deuterium isotopes to fuse". There are quite a few impractical, unscalable techniques out there that can produce some neutrons from some sort of fusion. Firing little pellets at each other once in a while seems no more feasible than shooting a giant array of lasers at a target every so often.

    Here's one that also uses kinetic compression, and they seem to have it pretty well thought out;
    https://generalfusion.com/tech... [generalfusion.com]

    • Re:Very skeptical (Score:5, Informative)

      by DigitAl56K ( 805623 ) on Thursday April 07, 2022 @05:56PM (#62426920)

      Their technique is covered in a video from 2019 (start around 8 mins):
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]

      • by Klaxton ( 609696 )

        Interesting! So they would use liquid lithium to capture the neutron energy and carry it away to boil water.

        • Interesting! So they would use liquid lithium to capture the neutron energy and carry it away to boil water.

          Lithium and water, what could go wrong [youtube.com]? :-)

          • Lithium and water, what could go wrong? :-)

            Somebody might forget to include an intermediate heat transfer stage, using (say) mineral oil to take the heat from the lithium and transfer it (the heat, not the lithium) to the steam generator.

            Wow, that was difficult! It's almost as if people have given this more thought than you have.

            Actually, as long as the lithium is on the high-pressure side of the heat exchanger, a leaky pipe isn't that much of a problem. You'd need to monitor the pH of the boiler water (w

            • It's almost as if people have given this more thought than you have.

              You did see the smiley at the end, right?
              Or were you too busy thinking about being bitchy?

      • Update, per a link below to the register, it sounds like how they fire the projectile has changed!
        https://www.theregister.com/20... [theregister.com]

        First Light's equipment instead shoots a tungsten projectile out of a gas-powered gun at a target dropped into a chamber

        The rest sounds similar.

        • FTFS:

          First Light used a hyper-velocity gas gun

          These have been around since the 1960s, when space agencies started building them to study the impact of (micro-) meteorites on spacecraft materials.

          I remember seeing a program years ago about the NASA gun, which is located in some Redneck state full of gun-mad wingnuts, and noticing that the castings from which the barrel was machined included moulded-in lettering implying that the manufacturer of the castings expected to make enough of them to need serial num

  • by Kelxin ( 3417093 ) on Thursday April 07, 2022 @05:50PM (#62426898)
    We've got a massive breakthrough the could theoretically do something and change the course of humility! It's a secret, we won't tell anyone else and we won't prove that it's actually doing something! Check back with us in 20 years after you give us millions of dollars.
    • Ah. I see what you did there.

    • Precisely. You will notice that they don't offer to sell electricity. If they actually had something they could basically control the world electricity market. Instead they offer to show you how to build a special fusion reactor that uses one of their sooper secret targets every 30 seconds.

      That doesn't sounds suspicious at all.

    • It does however use a fancy extremely high velocity gas gun with an inherently very low repetition rate, and, like current ICF work, fancy complex tiny targets. The ones used in the recent NIF work achieving the very lowest level of "breakeven" that LLNL could define (not what is normally meant) cost more than a million dollars to make. Investing in fancy magnets that are simply a capital expense and burning hydrogen gas is likely a far more cost-effective solution than one that pushes most of the cost into

  • https://firstlightfusion.com/a... [firstlightfusion.com]

    If I'm reading correctly they have O(100) neutrons form a 100g projectile at 6.5km/s. Not at all clear how this scales with impact velocity, but at the moment the efficiency is very low.
    br. I'm not suggesting its a bad idea, just that there isn't enough information on scalign to know where breakeven would happen and if that is practical with this approach
  • by Crashmarik ( 635988 ) on Thursday April 07, 2022 @10:54PM (#62427584)

    About the only things it's good for are Simulating H-Bombs and investigating extreme realms of physics. Not that these aren't important but when it comes to power generation it's not in the list. If magnetic confinement is 50 years away, inertial confinement is 500 years away.

    It's hard to imagine how anyone gets conned into these projects. If you just think about how the process goes you're going to say these guys make net energy generation from a tokomak look easy.

    Just go through what needs to happen.
    1 You need focus enough energy on your target either by bombarding it with some form of particle beam (Usually a high energy laser) or you need to make your fusion target hit something hard enough you get fusion.

    2. You need to do this in a vessel that can survive the explosion that happens.

    3. The mechanism you used to trigger the reaction needs to survive the explosion as well. In the case of lasers they are currently the size of a football field and very delicate. If it's using a gas gun like this it's not as delicate but shoving out a projectile at 6.5 km/s is going to make any target seem delicate.

    4. You need to repeat the process rapidly enough to generate megawatts to gigawatts of power. Lasers that can fire at best once per hour, or gas guns that will have the barrels wear down after no more than a few hundred shots, just don't cut it.

    5. You need all this contained in a mechanism that can actually extract power from the process while surviving it.

    6. This all needs to be done cheaply enough that you can actually repay the capital costs with a profit.

    3 and 4 th generation nuclear plants are already here, safe and well understood. This is just a waste.

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