Scientists Seek To Solve Mystery of Why Some People Do Not Catch Covid (theguardian.com) 154
Most people know someone who has stubbornly resisted catching Covid, despite everyone around them falling sick. Precisely how they do this remains a mystery, but scientists are
beginning to find some clues. From a report: The hope is that identifying these mechanisms could lead to the development of drugs that not only protect people from catching Covid, but also prevent them from passing it on. Phoebe Garrett is not the only challenge trial participant to have avoided becoming infected. Of the 34 who were exposed to the virus, 16 failed to develop an infection (defined as two consecutive positive PCR tests) -- although around half of them transiently tested positive for low levels of the virus, often several days after exposure.
Possibly, this was a reflection of the immune system rapidly shutting down an embryonic infection. "In our previous studies with other viruses, we have seen early immune responses in the nose that are associated with resisting infection," said Prof Christopher Chiu at Imperial College London, who led the study. "Together, these findings imply that there is a struggle between the virus and host, which in our 'uninfected' participants results in prevention of infection taking off." Some of them also reported some mild symptoms, such as a stuffy nose, sore throat, tiredness, or headache -- although, since these commonly occur in everyday life, they may have been unrelated to virus exposure.
Possibly, this was a reflection of the immune system rapidly shutting down an embryonic infection. "In our previous studies with other viruses, we have seen early immune responses in the nose that are associated with resisting infection," said Prof Christopher Chiu at Imperial College London, who led the study. "Together, these findings imply that there is a struggle between the virus and host, which in our 'uninfected' participants results in prevention of infection taking off." Some of them also reported some mild symptoms, such as a stuffy nose, sore throat, tiredness, or headache -- although, since these commonly occur in everyday life, they may have been unrelated to virus exposure.
DNA transplant? (Score:3)
As always, I'm expecting the answer to be either "they have something in their genes that most dont" or "their lifestyle made their immune system stronger". If that's the case, then we should be able to identify those factors, and possibly even do DNA transplant with the new CRISPR technologies.
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As regards Omicron, I think it's pretty clear the scientists are missing something major about how Omicron spreads. Too many cases of supposedly well-protected political leaders and famous people who are still catching it. I can't believe it's entirely due to covid fatigue and lowered defenses...
Re: DNA transplant? (Score:3)
I own and run a restaurant, see hundreds of people daily. Always wear a mask inside, but didnâ(TM)t for the first year when working with a couple employees. My wife and I never got it, and we never isolated or worked at home.
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Re: DNA transplant? (Score:4, Informative)
You answered your own question. You own commercial property, so you are middle class or higher. Income partitions society so that your friends and who they interact with and who your customers are and who they interact with (assuming you are not talking about McDonald's) is also filtered by it. Higher income lets people stay home when they feel ill, reducing their risk of spreading any/all respiratory droplet or other fluid transmission disease. That celebrates/sovereigns get sick despite wealth is more an indicator of their increased social exposure to people from different income strata. You were wealthy enough and actually socially insulated enough to avoid it, despite thinking that you were exposed to the same environments as those who became sick.
While income does somewhat partition society, there's plenty of cross-pollination opportunities (restaurant staff being an easy and relevant example). Seeing 100's of people a day will very likely negate any 'wealth protection' that might exist - rather like the celebrities you used as a counterpoint...?
Re: Wuflu is a HOAX. Since it failed, smallpox is (Score:2)
Smallpox is going to be Bill Gatesâ(TM) next plague upon humanity?
No, Windows will continue to work just fine.
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You answered your own question. You own commercial property, so you are middle class or higher. Income partitions society so that your friends and who they interact with and who your customers are and who they interact with (assuming you are not talking about McDonald's) is also filtered by it. Higher income lets people stay home when they feel ill, reducing their risk of spreading any/all respiratory droplet or other fluid transmission disease. That celebrates/sovereigns get sick despite wealth is more an indicator of their increased social exposure to people from different income strata. You were wealthy enough and actually socially insulated enough to avoid it, despite thinking that you were exposed to the same environments as those who became sick.
What a ridiculous assertion.
The virus has about a 50% rate (Score:2)
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I still think transparent N95 (or KN95) masks would do a lot to diffuse the insanity for many people. Seems like a massive business opportunity and I remain baffled that no one has done it yet.
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It's airborne and ridiculously contagious. The variant may be an order of magnitude more infectious than the original virus, and if vaccines and masking reduce the odds of infection by 90%, the end result is the same as if you were dealing with the original without these measures. And obviously no lockdowns like we did in 2020 because it's not politically acceptable... Social distancing has really tapered off as well; Omicron coincided with holidays in the US where families and other groups of people got to
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It seems the only reason we may NOT be stumbling blindly into a terrible Omicron BA.2 wave is that enough of the population has sufficient immunity to blunt it. Most countries are reducing restrictions while what is objectively the worst COVID19 variant yet is circulating - BA.2 has Delta-like symptoms, is the hardest variant yet to test for (thus the nickname "stealth omicron") and can safely be assumed to be the most contagious virus known to man - 30~50% more contagious than original Omicron, which itsel
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Basically the ACK, though "These are not the variants you are worriedly searching for."
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You know the old saying:
"If there is a nuclear war there will only be 2x things that survive...
What else were you expecting it to be? (Score:2)
I suspect lifestyle will be the main factor. We already know poor people are getting hammered by covid because they work in essential services and are much more likely to be exposed. Also if you're a police officer you're more likely to die of covid than any other cause. Ironically there are a lot of anti-vax cops because they tend to
Re: DNA transplant? (Score:2)
Nah, you're way overcomplicating this. Despite what they say, it's not really a mystery: I got vaccinated, they didn't. That's why everybody around me, despite me being immunosuppressed and getting exposed to them while they had it, got it and I didn't.
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Lots of people who are fully vaccinated caught Omicron, my whole family did I believe (never bothered getting tested). Wasn't too bad but still if I was going into work would have needed a couple of days off if not a week, think nasty cold.
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Some people with strong immune systems (those who never get colds or the flu, etc) got very sick with Covid and the thought at the time was that maybe their strong immune system kicked off too strong of a response, which caused a lot of damage, particularly to the lungs. Whereas other people with weaker immune systems got very sick, but the lung damage was less. So many factors.
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That's kind of what happened with the 1918 Spanish flu. It caused cytokine storms, which disproportionately killed people with stronger immune systems and largely spared those with weaker ones.
It's been known for a long time now that proper nutrition, including adequate vitamin D levels, is necessary for proper immune function, including not only properly responding to threats, but also preventing the body from attacking itself.
We also have known since the beginning of COVID-19 that symptoms of metabolic s
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"we get sick every 3 years with a coronavirus": Out of curiosity, what is your data for this? Most people don't test whether their common cold symptoms are caused by a rhinovirus, a coronavirus, parainfluenza, etc. (Are tests even available to the general public?) Or are you just going by statistical reasoning like: "We get about 5 colds per three years, and a cold is 20% likely to be caused by a coronavirus, so probably we have about one coronavirus cold per three years?" (By the way, five colds per three
The big mystery. (Score:2)
I did what I was told. (Score:4, Interesting)
Most people know someone who has stubbornly resisted catching Covid, despite everyone around them falling sick. Precisely how they do this remains a mystery, but scientists are beginning to find some clues.
I stayed home unless it was absolutely necessary to leave. When out of my home, I wore a mask and 6 feet away from other people. I got vaccinated and boosted right when both were made available to me. I continue to follow masking guidance.
It's funny how that works.
Re:I did what I was told. (Score:4, Funny)
I did the same thing , vaccinated & boosted, wear a mask, social distance, etc. My wife did the same. Neither one of us caught covid.
Now, we do have a few friends, relatives, and coworkers who only masked when pressured and continued to gather socially. They almost uniformly caught covid.
Oh, if only we could solve this mystery!
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I did the same thing , vaccinated & boosted, wear a mask, social distance, etc. My wife did the same. Neither one of us caught covid.
Now, we do have a few friends, relatives, and coworkers who only masked when pressured and continued to gather socially. They almost uniformly caught covid.
Oh, if only we could solve this mystery!
Amazing... If only those who have extensive experience in dealing with and preventing infection diseases told us that maintaining social distances, wearing a mask and avoiding unnecessary trips during a pandemic would prevent the spread of a dangerous virus and reduce the chances of catching it.
Like many people who never caught COVID, I followed the advice from the NHS (the UK's National Health Service). However I find it amazing that all those who oppose the measures claim to have had it (and are likely
Re:I did what I was told. (Score:4, Interesting)
I have lost family to covid. Your sarcasm is not appreciated.
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> I stayed home unless it was absolutely necessary to leave. When out of my home, I wore a mask and 6 feet away from other people. I got vaccinated and boosted right when both were made available to me. I continue to follow masking guidance.
Or, or, and hear me out here. Maybe, you got COVID and were one of the asymptomatic people.
Or are we still denying those people exist? I can't keep up with the latest in pseudo science.
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> I stayed home unless it was absolutely necessary to leave. When out of my home, I wore a mask and 6 feet away from other people. I got vaccinated and boosted right when both were made available to me. I continue to follow masking guidance.
Or, or, and hear me out here. Maybe, you got COVID and were one of the asymptomatic people.
Or are we still denying those people exist? I can't keep up with the latest in pseudo science.
Have you ever considered that the idea of a mass of asymptomatic people are the pseudo science....
I wouldn't even give it that much credence as the basic premise does not line up in any way with the actual evidence of what happened.
Then again, this would require admitting that you're wrong and have been fooled by people who are further away from being scientists than most witch doctors.
Here's why the mass of asymptomatic people is utter bollocks.
1. Anti-Scientists started out saying that everyone
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Asymptomatic people probably did not spread COVID-19, because they did not harbor a sufficient viral load.
Pre-symptomatic people probably did, because many people who ultimately were symptomatic already had high-ish viral loads before developing symptoms. This is not unusual for viral infections.
The inaccuracy of the PCR test means that, very probably, we will never know for certain.
Re: I did what I was told. (Score:2)
Same here. Funny how that works.
Challenge trial (Score:2)
A challenge trial [wikipedia.org] is one in which the test subject is intentionally exposed to the pathogen (i.e. the SARS-CoV-2 virus)
What does your comment have to
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I can't tell if you're actually trying to have a conversation or seeking to offensive/confrontational, but I'll take a shot.
The challenge trial is fantastic and a great bit of research. Period. It will be interesting to learn about natural resistances, were there any, that prevented COVID infection in these limited numbers of people.
That said, I admittedly harbor a bit of snark with these types of articles (not the research) because they will assuredly get adopted by those who are against any suggested prev
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There seems to be a minority who are biologically resistant. The first I heard about this was Brazilian observations of spouses of seriously ill COVID patients escaping infection despite intimate contact. A priori not surprising: humans are immunologically diverse for good reason.
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Well, for whatever this bit of anecdotal evidence is worth, I went from 3-4 bad colds per year, to less than one mild one every couple years, when I figured out how to supplement properly.
My health sucks in other ways, but, in terms of viral illnesses, I believe my supplements (C, D3, K2, zinc, quercetin and melatonin, among others) have kept me very well protected.
To my knowledge I never got COVID-19. I do mask (for others' benefit mainly) but have not had the shots, and I am out in public a lot. My wife
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As a counter to your claim though? I spent the first 6 months or so of the pandemic going out and doing Uber driving, including a few passengers I specifically remember sitting in my back seat coughing and sneezing (one needed the Uber ride to a doctor's office).
As it went on, I wound up mostly working from home doing an I.T. support job during the day, but was still coming in to their office once a week. I stopped doing Uber but replaced it with doing food deliveries.
Never bothered with the vaccinations,
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Pretty much the same here. From around July 2020 onward I got mostly back to normal (Floridian). Wore a mask when some business insisted on it, never got the clot shot and if I got the virus I didn't notice.
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This isn't about people who've successfully avoided the virus (I wore KN95s and only went out for groceries and got o.g. covid before the vaccines, nothing is 100%), it's about people who were unquestionably hit with an infectious dose of covid, and it didn't take.
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Were you trying to say that the ONLY way to avoid getting infected with COVID was to cower in your home and avoid everybody and everything? Because that's absolutely not true.
Even if it was true, what kind of life is that, anyways?
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Logic reasoning fail.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
It's a statement of the sort "if A then B", from which you concluded "Not A, therefore not B."
If I'm a cat I have a tail.
You concluded: I'm not a cat, therefore I don't have a tail. Fail.
If you don't go out, you won't catch covid.
You concluded: I went out, therefore I must've caught covid (but didn't). Fail.
Not going out is only one way to not catch covid. There are possibly other ways, which is exactly the point of this article.
Turn your badge on your w
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The advice was based originally on deductive reasoning (a virus has only so many ways of spreading), knowledge from experience, and initial data.
Statistical evidence proved it correct, but that took a while, as expected.
Emotional attacks ("I feel sorry for you"), conspiracy theories ("CDD has so much power"), throwing out flashy terms with an incorrect understanding ("cause and effect"), and such, only make you sound incredibly stupid and paranoid.
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> The advice was based originally on deductive reasoning
>> I did "X" and never got COVID.
>> It's funny how that works.
a. X=mask and Vaccine --> Response, standing ovation, pats on the back.
b. X=nothing --> Response, "You're a piece of shit"
If you work backwards, and someone says they never got COVID... you have to sit and wait until you hear their method until you can react accordingly. Must be awkward.
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What an absolute misunderstanding of cause and effect.
You, sir, or madam, are the reason that the CDC has so much power over our daily lives.
Follow rules not based on *any* statistical evidence, without question !
That is your lot in life - I feel sorry for you.
Let me ask you a question:
When are you going to start living up to your Username?
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Mask type matters here. (In my own case, most of the time prior to vaccination, I was using N100/P100 respirators (with valves blocked or filtered) except when teaching, when I was using KN95 for better audibility. After vaccination, my mask use has been inconsistent, though now I do tend to use an N95 when I expect to be close to a number of people, not just for COVID but for flu, etc. So far, no COVID that I know of, and lots of negative tests due to false alarms and, earlier, employer surveillance testin
Twins (Score:2)
Anecdotal (Score:2)
Covid came through my, and my parents house at the same time. Everybody caught covid except for my unvaccinated dad (70s, overweight, comorbidities, not known for leading a healthy lifestyle, spends a lot of time lazing around) We were all afraid for him but he never caught it...
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It's possible he encountered a closely related strain(s) in a prior flu episode. Did he travel around the world a lot?
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Interesting, yes he is a vet
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Well, since this strain of COVID is native to bats in the area around Cambodia, he could easily have been exposed to an earlier variant.
Unfortunately, coronaviruses in general, and COVID in particular, have a short half-life for antigens. For COVID it's somewhere around 6 months. The longer lasting TCell based immunity might well have survived over the decades, but that wouldn't keep him from getting sick, only from having a bad case.
So I think a different explanation is needed. Inherent immunity is a pl
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There's all sorts of possibilities. I'd consider that one of the really unlikely ones. On current evidence I'd put it three or four sigmas out, say one chance in a billion. (Now for dengue fever that guess would be pretty good, though not quite on the money.)
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No, that's crazy talk. the jabs are 100% safe and effective -- there are no side effects other than pretendinitus (and if not, then pfizer et al are in for a day of reckoning no pharma company has ever seen. Just think of the lawsuits the billions of people who took the jab would file... they'd get sued into oblivion)
2 years on, and people still question the advice from actual experts in the field; only to listen to wonks prattling on about natural immunity and the like.
Lookit, the only way we'll ever get
Everyone knows that (Score:1)
Jesus protects those people. [outsports.com]
A friend of mine can't seem to get COVID (Score:3)
I have a friend that is anti-vax. It's stupid, but it is what it is (friendship > giving a fuck about his stance on that).
He's been exposed directly to COVID via his children (in passing, partial custody).
Most interesting, while staying with him, his brother had COVID, so he had an infected house mate from infection through recovery (he stayed secluded, but it's not a big place).
And, while following lockdown rules, he's been out and about as much as possible the entire time (shopping, eating out when available).
He's been exposed a lot. Never got sick, tested negative at least a dozen times taking tests as needed.
The brother thing is interesting, they were in the same rooms for quite a few hours over a day or two before his brother had symptoms (enclosed space).
Ask him to take an antibody test (Score:2)
There's a chance he's one of those people who caught asymptomatic covid.
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I am fully vaccinated.
My significant other is fully vaccinated as well.
We both are fully masked when we step out of the house, and don't leave house unless there is a valid reason. We practice safe distancing, etc when we are out. Not many visitors to our home, and we both mostly work from home.
One evening, sometime ago I was feeling abit feverish and unwell. My significant other and me, were sleeping in the same room, bed, etc at that time.
Next day I got tested, and was found to be positive. Thats when I s
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Typhoid Mary (Score:2)
An asymptomatic carrier of typhoid fever, Mary Mallon, did not believe she was a carrier and science of her day had difficulty explaining the phenomenon. Yet she was forced to spend about 30 years in isolation. We're well aware that there are many viruses that people can carry asymptomatically that are dangerous to others. With Epstein-Barr virus being perhaps the most wide spread among human population in part due to its lack of obvious symptoms in the vast majority of the population.
For COVID-19 I expect
hindsight 20/20 (Score:2)
You overlooked that she didn't really believe the doctors. And they had trouble explaining how she was such a unique case.
Me and my wife (Score:1)
Neither myself, nor my wife got it, despite her being a middle-school teacher and ALL of our friends/colleagues getting it.
How?
We were careful. We wore high-quality masks all the time, making sure they had a good fit. We used copious amounts of hand sanitizer. We washed our hands regularly. We changed habits to reduce contact by doing things like ordering groceries for pickup instead of going in the store. We kept our son out of daycare during the spikes (meaning he had to stay home with me while I wor
Re: Me and my wife (Score:2)
Forgot to add: of course we got vaccinated as soon as possible - and boosted as soon as that was availableâ¦.
Blood type (Score:2)
Outed! (Score:2)
Found the secret urine drinkers!
Define catch (Score:2)
So, did I catch COVID by their definition?
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Medical Studies say (Score:2)
https://www.medicalnewstoday.c... [medicalnewstoday.com]
It's a known medical fact that there is a percentage of people in the general population who get the flu but feel fine and have no symptoms, I seem to remember reading that some university was trying to identify why those people in particular could get the flu (testing positive) and yet not have any symptoms and see if there was a why to transfer that resistance to people who don't have it. So it's possible that those people or even a subset of them have the same resistance
Expecting too much from a beta. Wait for the patch (Score:2)
I mean this is like the launch of Cyberpunk 2077. Works great on some systems and not at all on others
Weed and cocaine have been my shield (Score:1)
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I like your theory, but here's a contrary report.
https://www.verywellhealth.com... [verywellhealth.com]
"by the time someone has smoked the plant, these helpful cannabinoids are long gone."
This is me. Where do I sign up. (Score:2)
Covid went through our house pre-vaccine. My partner was able to isolate and wear a mask but I played nurse to the kids.
I never had even a sniffle and my antibody tests, from blood donation, continued to come back negative until I was vaccinated; then they came back reactive.
Maybe the dose makes the poison (Score:2)
It could be that an initial exposure to a small enough or a large enough dose could give the time or the fast response needed to fight it, or there could even be a sweetspot dose. Because most successful viruses attempt to subvert immune response there are lots of possible non-linearities in the response.
I know such people (Score:2)
We call them 'bitches',
I Take Melatonin (Score:2)
Effective immune system (Score:2)
I wish I know more about how the immune system as a whole worked and what effect early illnesses have on later life. In the mid 70's I grew up on a farm in middle Tennessee, we lived in an old 19th century cabin for part of it, very cold, very drafty, in the winter, very moldy in the summer. I was hospitalized twice with rare illnesses, high fever, hemorrhaging over a large part of my body, never diagnosed but believed to be some form of fungal infection I also had severe cases of measles despite the v
Definition of "infected" (Score:2)
What does a test actually measure? If it detects life viruses, they are there for a short time. If it detects dead viruses, they are also for, likely for a longer time. If it detects your immune system working, yes, it would detect i
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I think a good definition of "infected" should have the word "affected" in it, because if it doesn't affect you, then it doesn't really matter. So you're exposed to a virus (or to a bacteria), and then either an infection develops or it doesn't -- and the way people usually find out is the symptoms, which is them being affected by it. The other way is by routing testing. If you've been asymptomatic, and you test positive, you'll be surprised to find out that you're a carrier.
A typical test for presence of C
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I missed something that I meant to include:
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Honestly the 'mystery' is a bit of a mystery to me. The 'some' they are referring to is 'most', most people haven't gotten COVID and of those who do only a tiny subset develop severe symptoms and the death probability is reduced to nois
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Where's your evidence for the claim that the CDC refused to fund treatment that could actually have worked? And subsequently did work.
More than 40% of the US population has contracted Covid according to the CDC, which is quite a few millions. The "tiny subset develop severe symptoms" group severely overstressed the healthcare system and about a million people died.
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So you've got nothing to support your claim, and you want to shift the burden of proof.
"a 2021 study of zinc and vitamin C demonstrated no benefit for people with mild COVID-19."
https://www.health.harvard.edu... [harvard.edu]
"There is no conclusive clinical evidence showing that ivermectin is effective at either preventing a COVID-19 infection or treating one. People should not take ivermectin to prevent or treat COVID-19."
https://www.mdanderson.org/can... [mdanderson.org]
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"the CDC has refused to fund research into any early stage COVID treatment", this was your claim and you've got absolutely no evidence. The burden of proof is on you.
As for blogs, the Harvard Medical School and MD Anderson certainly do not fit into that category and I'm not interested in your admitted "nonsense on a blog".
A study from just last month;
https://jamanetwork.com/journa... [jamanetwork.com]
"a 5-day course of oral ivermectin administered during the first week of illness did not reduce the risk of developing severe
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The Harvard article cites several peer reviewed studies. The MD Anderson article cites "Chief Infection Control Officer Roy Chemaly, M.D.", "Here’s what he had to say".
Meanwhile "the CDC has refused to fund research into any early stage COVID treatment", this was your claim and you've got absolutely no evidence.
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If you're refering to the same study that I'm thinking of, that's not quite what the study showed. What it showed is that folks with a serious case of COVID had low levels of vitamin D. This *could* be because that started off with low levels, or it could be that the immune processes consumed the body's supplies. D is an antioxidant, so that seems to me (a non-specialist) quite likely.
As for Zinc...that's tricky. Really low levels are bad for the immune system, but excessively high levels are just as ba
Zinc and Covid-19: Link to an article (Score:2)
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Did you read the "Limitations" section of that study? It clearly indicates that this is merely a study that suggests that more study is needed. It handled a limited population of subjects at a particular site, and most were of a particular ethnic group. And there weren't that many subjects.
There were other sections where I found that study questionable, but I'm not an expert in any of the related areas, so perhaps the procedures were acceptable. Clearly they were acceptable if the goal was only to check
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You should supplement, but CAREFULLY. As noted above, too much can be as harmful as too little.
Getting vitamins and minerals from diet, or in the case of vitamin D from sun exposure, is far preferable to supplementation. It just isn't practical for those of us who are constrained by lack of money and/or time to less than an optimal diet.
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As to whether it's beneficial - in that paper they did not check patient's blood levels prior to the study either, they just randomized it (and max dose they used was quite a bit higher than recommended on pill bottles), so yes, this study says exactly that ta
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It's fat-soluble, and it interferes with the absorption of copper, which is also necessary. Too much will build up over time and cause problems. That's true of a lot of things, and many folks aren't aware of that. What's safe to take over the span of a week might result in serious problems if taken for 2 or 3 months. And, again, a lot of people aren't aware of this.
Many studies don't take things like longer-term safety into account, if that isn't their focus, and the FDA approval demonstrably does not g
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Regular blood testing is a good idea for those who (like me) get their vitamin D mainly from supplements, rather than mainly from sun exposure. The optimal amount both (a) lies within a fairly narrow range, and (b) is variable from person to person, or even for the same person as he or she ages. You can't really optimize the level without blood testing.
That's probably also true for those who (again, like me) supplement with any other fat-soluble vitamin or mineral, including zinc, or vitamins A or K among
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Not sure why you were modded as Overrated, but there are actual medical studies that show this link.
Anecdotally, I take 800IU of Vitamin D a day, on the recommendation of my doctor, and never came down with any of the strains. I did what was required of me, but didn't really worry about it too much, and got the Vax as soon as it was available to me since I worked most of the last two years in an office, and didn't want to take the risk.
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Clinical significance of micronutrient supplements in patients with coronavirus disease 2019: A comprehensive systematic review and meta-analysis [clinicalnu...nespen.com]
Great. A systematic review. We can finally get to the bottom of this.
Subgroup analysis showed that vitamin D supplementation was not associated with a mortality benefit in patients receiving vitamin D pre or post COVID-19 diagnosis.
Dang.
Zinc supplementation was not associated with a significant reduction of mortality
Dang again.
I guess Vitamin D and Zinc still isn't the panacea that popular books on health have dreamed it to be. I've heard these myths for some 40 years now. I am surprised they persist. People love the idea that some cheap pill can save you thousands in healthcare. If only we all had the s
That article is VERY poorly written. (Score:2)
Quoting the Conclusions of the article:
"Conclusions
Individual micronutrient supplementations, including vitamin C, vitamin D, and zinc, were not associated with a mortality benefit in COVID-19. Vitamin D may be associated with lower intubation rate and shorter LOS, but vitamin C did not reduce intubation rate or LOS. Further research is needed to validate our findings."
Intubation is a procedure th
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I just turned 70 and have been taking a quality multi vitiman, D3, zinc, fish oil, etc. for the last 10 years. I try to walk at least 6 to 8 miles everyday, and if camping I'll do 15 to 20 a day. I'll have a single beer or glass of wine every few days
I've done manual labor (mechanic) my whole life and I never felt better than when I cut down on the alcohol and upped the vitamins. I went on a keto diet 4 years ago, dropped 15 lbs., blood sugar stays low, I sleep great , and my joints don't ache anymore.
I hav
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That is commendable.
I don't personally know anyone who came close to your level of proper nutrition, exercise, lifestyle, etc., who got a serious case of COVID-19. I'm sure some have, but no one I know personally, though I've known plenty of others who did, including a few who passed away.
I do supplement, but also have chronic health conditions, too many bottles of booze where my liver used to be, and, generally, a very poor diet and very little exercise. I'm also in late middle age. I believe that witho
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Yeah, how dare people mod down dangerous fake medical advice...
Yeah, supplementing vitamin D is DANGEROOUS! People are DIEING in troves! IT WILL KILL YA if you even DARE look at the pill!
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