US To Require Vaccines For All Border Crossers In January 241
President Joe Biden will require essential, nonresident travelers crossing U.S. land borders, such as truck drivers, government and emergency response officials, to be fully vaccinated beginning on Jan. 22, the administration planned to announce Tuesday. The Associated Press reports: A senior administration official said the requirement, which the White House previewed in October, brings the rules for essential travelers in line with those that took effect earlier this month for leisure travelers, when the U.S. reopened its borders to fully vaccinated individuals. Essential travelers entering by ferry will also be required to be fully vaccinated by the same date, the official said. The rules pertain to non-U.S. nationals. American citizens and permanent residents may still enter the U.S. regardless of their vaccination status, but face additional testing hurdles because officials believe they more easily contract and spread COVID-19 and in order to encourage them to get a shot. [...] About 47 million adults in the U.S. remain unvaccinated, according to figures from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
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The Biden administration has not required people who cross the border illegally to either produce evidence of vaccination or get vaccinated. This new mandate also does not apply to US citizens or nationals, who can return to the country regardless of vaccination status. It "only" expands the vaccination mandate from foreign tourists to also cover "essential" foreign visitors. (Obviously, they can't be so essential if we will turn them away.)
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Is there any evidence to suggest that any of those excluded groups are contributing significantly to infections in the US? What is the rate of unvaccinated arriving and what is the take up rate of vaccines when they do arrive?
Gotta follow the science here, if the risk is low enough then other factors become a priority.
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Ah, so it's just anti-immigrant bullshit, not a real thing? You imagine these people are somehow "spitting your face" and "wiping their asses with your laws".
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The US wipes its ass with international law, i.e. treaties we've signed. If we gave two fucks about "the law" as a nation virtually every president would be tried as a war criminal.
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but those who spit in our faces and wipe their ass with our laws get flown around the country even if they are actively contagious. Science doesn't factor into it, the administration is acting out of fear, partisanship and incompetence.
Again I beg you, provide some flight numbers, pictures, anything...
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Turns out the planes are full of children and minors to be reunited with family. Not diseased illegals who are given democrat stamped voter registration cards.
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If you cross the border illegally without seeking asylum you will be deported. Just like Obama before him Biden is on track for a large number of deportations, and it's only declining because the number of people trying to come to America is declining. People seeking asylum aren't required to be vaccinated because that would be ridiculous. If you're fleeing violence, which is what most asylum secrets are doing, the last thing on your mind is whether or not you got your se
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Is Biden using the same Obama-vintage definition of "deportation" that, in contrast with historical practice, counts people who get caught and sent back at the border? Obama changed that counting so that out wouldn't be so obvious how much worse he was than even GWB.
The rule for admitting a refugee is not whether they are seeking asylum, but whether they are an actual refugee under international law. But left-wing radicals don't care about that, they just talk about "seeking asylum" and coach illegal immi
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Is Biden using the same Obama-vintage definition of "deportation" that, in contrast with historical practice, counts people who get caught and sent back at the border? Obama changed that counting so that out wouldn't be so obvious how much worse he was than even GWB.
So what you're saying is it's the same standard that Trump used? So if it's higher under Biden than under Trump, it means he's more successful at securing the border?
The rule for admitting a refugee is not whether they are seeking asylum, but whether they are an actual refugee under international law.
We are actively turning back people who are under death threat back home, as in literal death threats.
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Biden cancelled or gutted many of Trump's policies that discouraged illegal border crossings, and the result is dramatic [cbp.gov]. Just before Biden took office, his transition team was essentially saying "don't come [nbcnews.com] YET".
Regarding your last claim: The US government cannot prevent US citizens from returning to the US, regardless of vaccination status. There is an implicit right of return in how our border control laws are written: they say when aliens (people who are not US citizens or nationals) can be denied entry, but only say what kind of searches or inspections US citizens and nationals are subject to.
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Just before Biden took office, his transition team was essentially saying "don't come YET".
Harris clearly stated "do not come" despite the fact that we are required by treaty to take refugees. And morally, we must not deny them when they come from nations which have served as the CIA's playground. Coups, assassinations, arms sales... The USA is complicit in every case.
The US government cannot prevent US citizens from returning to the US, regardless of vaccination status.
No, but it could quarantine them.
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Economic migrants are not refugees. And you need better history books to go with better morals. The US is not the reason those countries have had bad governments for the last 1000, or even 100, years.
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The US is not the reason those countries have had bad governments for the last 1000, or even 100, years.
Nice straw man, it would be a shame if your pants were to get near it and set it on fire. The US is a big part of the reason why those countries have had bad governments, yes, for the last 100 years (from 1898 in fact [wikipedia.org].)
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By the same logic, Communists are the reason those countries have drug problems now.
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Economic migrants are not refugees.
Are you suggesting refugees should not get jobs and participate in the economy?
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No, I am saying that most people coming to the US are coming for reasons like "it's the land of opportunity" and do not fit the -- perhaps surprisingly narrow -- legal definition of an asylee (called a refugee in the relevant treaty).
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The vast majority of the illegal aliens are not refugees.
Says you.
They are just looking for handouts from Uncle Sugar.
Uncle Sucker has interfered with their economies, democratic processes, and very ways of life. Now you want to tell them to fuck off. Fuck off.
... and then Uncle Sucker tried to solve all their problems by bombing their countries to rubble. Didn't work? ... No worries, all that means is that the USAF/USN need bigger bombs and missiles and the US Army larger calibre artillery for the next round of diplomacy by bombardment.
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No, like the ones that said we don't need to let people in before we decide whether they are actually refugees. Like the ones that cut back on child trafficking that gave the false impression of unrelated people being a family. Like the ones that didn't ship illegal immigrants to states controlled by the opposing political party. The ones that kept CBP from having to handle something like 2 million illegal border crossers per year.
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Did they enter illegally? Crossing a border at any point is legal if the purpose is to claim asylum, isn't it?
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No it's not. It's illegal for anybody to cross the US border except at a port of entry.
It is legal to entry the country and then apply for asylum [12news.com], do not amplify the lies. It's legal to cross the border in other places for the explicit purpose of seeking asylum. If we put up asylum application stations just this side of the border instead of deploying troops to abuse, capture, and deport asylum seekers, then you'd see the traffic to other points within the country taper off. Assuming, of course, that we didn't just throw the asylum seekers into concentration camps. Word of that kind of thing
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No it's not. It's illegal for anybody to cross the US border except at a port of entry.
Nope. Not only is it not illegal, you're legally *required* to cross the US border to seek asylum. Not sure how you got that so very very wrong.
It is illegal to cross the border without a valid visa when not claiming asylum, and a port of entry just makes the process easier since there's a customs office right there.
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Pretty sure that's illegal, and possibly unconstitutional. Not a bad idea, mind you, but possibly illegal & unconstitutional....
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Is Biden ferrying around drug dealers in the middle of the night on flights across the country?
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Only the illegal immigrant Drug Dealers that are being flown to predominantly Republican controlled states.
True, the states that the vast majority the drug smuggling routes pass through through are Republican controlled.
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You *STILL* must get tested, within 3 days of travel, to cross the US border.
The "new normal"? It's getting more and more strict. Either regard it like the flu, where old people will die sometimes, and stop with this spiral to the bottom, or legislate masks and body suits for everyone, always, as the "new normal". I'm amazed the public has allowed this theater to go on this long.
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Except for people entering via mexico illegally they are completely exempt from any all laws that say you need vaccine or mask's.
Because those illegals are the problem when it comes to covid deaths in this country. Not multiple Republican governors who have gone out of their way to prevent mask wearing, including passing laws which penalize businesses and school districts which have mask policies, or who have slow walked any vaccination efforts, who have fought tooth and nail any scientific guidance on how to mitigate the spread of covid, not to mention the tens of millions of magidiots who brag about not being vaccinated and who would rather die than getting a free shot.*
Yeah, it's them illegals which are the problem.
* Fortunately, these same folks are the ones dying. Even better, with them out of the way, it's one less vector to spread the virus so in the end, they're really sticking it to the libs by mitigating the spread.
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It's funny because the federal government has been flying them all over the country in the middle of the night and dropping them off in order to downplay just how many illegal immigrants have been entering the country. Which means that yes, the US government has been ensuring a widespread distribution of possible COVID vectors throughout the contiguous US.
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Sources for these claims? I know it's a popular talking point but there should be some pictures right? Is this happening at major metropolitan airports of secret CIA air strips?
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She said the administration has a “moral obligation” to carry out the reunification process and noted that the Office of Refugee Resettlement has been facilitating travel for children in its custody to their families or sponsors across the country in recent weeks.
So it goes from planes full of diseased illegals to children being reunited with guardians or family members. The horror.
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It includes sponsors for "children" with no families and plenty of them have been found to be lying about their ages. From the article
While Psaki emphasized that the administration is legally obligated to care for children, the Post report indicates that some of the migrants appeared to be men in their 20’s.
In any case, they are certainly still COVID vectors and are not quarantined for 2 weeks before being put on the flights and allowed into the interior.
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When the President's Press Secretary was asked about it, she argued about the meaning of "middle of the night", and then admitted that it's correct. https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
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Politifact says that the US government claims they are all tested for COVID.
https://www.politifact.com/art... [politifact.com]
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Now unvaccinated immigrants might be a covid issue. But no more than unvaccinated natives. And well there are way more unvaccinated natives than the total number of immigrants that come here over the course of years.
Your argument fails all logic. If unvaccinated immigrants are an issue, quarantine and vaccinate them. But that doesn't change anything else.
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>"It's funny because the federal government has been flying them all over the country in the middle of the night and dropping them off in order to downplay just how many illegal immigrants have been entering the country."
Right! But it's not even the middle-of-the-night skull-and-dagger clandestine nature of these flights that's the worse, it's the fact that they're doing so in the middle of a pandemic for a population who isn't even required to meet the minimum precautions to prevent COVID spread, while
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If you actually think it's bad for governors to limit their own power on this matter because you're afraid of Covid, then how the hell do you justify not being pissed off about Biden putting infected illegal aliens on a bus to your neighborhood?
Again I'd love to see some pictures of these buses full of illegals pulling up and dropping them off. Is the government using Greyhound or local transit buses? Perhaps they're renting out church buses that only get used on Sundays...
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"The Border Patrol says it has insufficient time and space to conduct coronavirus testing at crowded processing stations. Officials in border cities fear further spread of the virus."
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/0... [nytimes.com]
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Show me the death rates which indicate that such decisions by Republican Governors have resulted in anything like a significant difference in outcome compared to Democrat Governor policies.
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Well, Florida's average death rate for old people is significantly lower than New York's, so there's that.
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Give me a F&*%ing break.
Show me actual numbers - don't give me hyperbole.
Why do you demand numbers rather than hyperbole, when your own posts have provided only hyperbole, with no numbers?
FWIW, I agree wholeheartedly with your request here... these discussions go nowhere until actual facts are introduced. But it seems rather hypocritical to demand facts when you can't be bothered to provide any yourself.
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Yeah, it's them illegals which are the problem.
Oh boy. Here we actually have a both sides issue. Yes allowing illegal (undocumented) immigrants is a problem (mostly for the right). Ad yes USA has largely created a cartel problem in Latin America with their demand for illegal narcotics.
So what's the solution? Social Media has been training you dummies to seek out polarized content. Do you want to be be brainwashed mice in a trap? Some of these people deserve asylum for a problem we created. And some of them do not. Meet in the middle. Stop hating each
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It's worth mentioning that Mexico has a higher vaccination rate against measles than Oregon.
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Leftists really do want death for those who dare disagree with them. Not even trying to hide it any more.
What I want is for them to choose to not make a problem that's killing people worse. If they want to die, I want them to get their wish sooner rather than later, because their actions harm others and it would be nice if they would not only get out of the way, but stop trying to lead others to destruction.
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The parent comment is clearly flamebait/troll and also poorly moderated.
There is no group of any meaningful size who wishes death upon those who disagree with them and vaccine proponents overwhelmingly do not wish death on anybody which is why they want people to get vaccinated!
Those who don't get vaccinated are not just harming themselves but passively harming others by
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I get troll modded by mod trolls every time I participate in a serious conversation, especially if it involves immigration, economics, China's human rights record... Yeah, frankly anything of consequence. Welcome to Slashdot!
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I can't comment on the other things, but usually when you post about economics it involves some tired old anti-capitalism trope that a lot of people get annoyed with.
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Florida is 9th for the death rate, but that's for the full extent of the epidemic. Since September, the 7-day average daily death rate has gone from almost 400 to - wait for it - 2. That's in the face of outright hostility to any kind of vaccine mandate and, from what I can tell, a steady drop in the number of mask wearers. Maybe it's because the governor has promoted Regeneron's $2500/dose monoclonal antibody, (but not a word about Ivermectin), but the case count has also dropped off a cliff. So it looks
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A swing and a miss!
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Speak for yourself. Their anti-vax stance is a minor symptom of their racist fascist religionist evil which completely defines their lives, and their willful rejection of logic, facts and reason is completely degenerate.
I and many others are sick of their shit and have zero reason to value their lives because the totality of those lives is toxic not merely worthless.
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If the number one cause of death in your profession is covid, and you're protesting vaccines, then you just might be a stupid motherfucker.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/c... [cbsnews.com]
No sympathy from me on this one.
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My job is way the fuck more dangerous than being a cop.
I got the vaccine.
Cops don't even apparently want to live, and then we have to hear them cry about how their not-that-dangerous job is too dangerous unless they murder everyone they see.
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My job is way the fuck more dangerous than being a cop. Give me three guesses: you operate a medical waste incinerator? You're an acrobat? You're training sharks to perform live organ transplants on crocodiles using meditation instead of anaesthetic?
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Liberalism is has always been about the use of force and death to get what it wants. It's just more overt now.
Right, that's why liberals drag people behind pickup trucks, and lynch people for the color of their skin, and stormed the capitol with the intent of hanging the vice president by the neck until dead because he refused to illegally attempt to change the results of a legal election. It's why they go on outings into protest areas with loaded rifles with the excuse of defending an empty car lot whose owner flatly denies that he invited them to guard it. It's why they kneel on the necks of those they are arresting long enough to kill them.
Oh wait, those were all things conservatives did. GTFO with your bullshit. Next you're going to tell us how liberals invented cancel culture.
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You mod abusers are so easy to troll, all you have to be told is to do what you're already doing. Of course, it was already obvious you were idiots because you have to attack others' comments instead of writing rebuttals, because your position is indefensible.
Now mod this comment down too, my bitches. I'll make more.
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The discussion was about liberals. Are you claiming KKK are (or were) liberals? Using the party names from a time when neither party could reasonably be called liberal is just a cowardly deflection, and you know it.
In the context of the times, the Republican party was clearly the liberal/progressive party. This changed in the 20th century.
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That's a new one. Care to share your logic?
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It's not at all a new one. Reich-wing denialist trolls have been claiming that liberals are the violent ones as long as I can remember, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. They claim we invented cancel culture [buzzfeed.com], too. In short, they religiously follow the Goebbels plan of always accusing your enemy of what you are doing.
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The last time congresspeople were shot, it was by a liberal. Overall, violence is too rare to be representative.
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Yeah, he should have just told the agents to slam the immigrants' heads into a police car door frame, like your Orange God did. GFY, hypocrite.
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https://www.google.ca/search?t... [google.ca]
Lessons of Covid-19? I didn't think so. (Score:2)
Why did you propagate the vacuous Subject?
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Why would a truck driver, who spends most of his time alone in his vehicle without indoor interactions
Because he's not locked in a house all day. He is in a truck sometimes. And gets out to have meals. Then waits around in an shipping and receiving office for them to figure out why nobody is on the dock loading his truck right now. (why are they making him wait, he's not paid to wait .. unlike their hourly employees in the office.)
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Loading docks and rest stops aren't a major source of COVID infections. But also notice the hypocrisy in the mandate: over 1,700,000 illegal migrants crossed the southern border--the highest number ever. Not one of the was asked about proof of vaccination?
In fact if Biden was serious about travelers being vaccinated I would think his administration would have started by requiring illegal border crossers be vaccinated before being allowed in the country.
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In fact if Biden was serious about travelers being vaccinated I would think his administration would have started by requiring illegal border crossers be vaccinated before being allowed in the country.
He should also mandate that criminals not commit crimes. That would surely have a huge impact.
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Didn't you hear? There's only one vaccine now. Not only does it protect against COVID-19, it gives you great 5G reception!
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Given the age of this site, the long term posters are probably pushing 50+ years old now. Old people tend to get more conservative with age.
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belies that little nugget of fecal
Nope. It's actually a very good case study to show just how wrong you are. You can see yourself that the hospital rate: https://covid19ireland-geohive... [arcgis.com] is no where near as high now despite the COVID rate https://covid19ireland-geohive... [arcgis.com] being almost as high.
But hey that's just Ireland. Maybe other countries will show something different.
Sadly for your case it looks like countries like the Netherlands setting daily records for new cases completely blowing out previous surges: https://coronadashboard.rijk [rijksoverheid.nl]
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Getting a placebo vaccin that hardly works to be mandatory.
You mean the one which has thirded the hopsitalisation rate, and decimated it for the recently vaccinated / people with boostershots?
Do us a favour, leave the fake news shilling to new users with high UIDs. You're embarrassing us.