Europe Once Again at Centre of Covid Pandemic, Says WHO (theguardian.com) 114
Uneven vaccine coverage and a relaxation of preventive measures have brought Europe to a "critical point" in the pandemic, the World Health Organization has said, with cases again at near-record levels and 500,000 more deaths forecast by February. From a report: Hans Kluge, the WHO's Europe director, said all 53 countries in the region were facing "a real threat of Covid-19 resurgence or already fighting it" and urged governments to reimpose or continue with social and public health measures. "We are, once again, at the epicentre," he said. "With a widespread resurgence of the virus, I am asking every health authority to carefully reconsider easing or lifting measures at this moment." He said that even in countries with high vaccination rates, immunisation could only do so much.
"The message has always been: do it all," Kluge said. "Vaccines are doing what was promised: preventing severe forms of the disease and especially mortality ... But they are our most powerful asset only if used alongside public health and social measures." Catherine Smallwood, WHO Europe's senior emergency officer, said countries that had mostly lifted preventive measures had experienced a surge in infections.
"The message has always been: do it all," Kluge said. "Vaccines are doing what was promised: preventing severe forms of the disease and especially mortality ... But they are our most powerful asset only if used alongside public health and social measures." Catherine Smallwood, WHO Europe's senior emergency officer, said countries that had mostly lifted preventive measures had experienced a surge in infections.
The "Darwin Option" growing in popularity (Score:5, Insightful)
If it appears to the public the Covid Dance is perpetual or has a fuzzy end-date, many will decide it's time to "go Darwin" and let fate run its course rather than be stuck forever in lockdown limbo. The idea is to take more short-term pain to return the long-term to normal, proverbially comparable to a root canal.
I won't pick a side here, but just saying the longer this all lasts, the more popular the Darwin Option becomes, creating an ever bigger rift in public opinion.
Re: The "Darwin Option" growing in popularity (Score:5, Insightful)
I don't know if it's greed, many experts just feel if we can buy enough time, vaccinations can put the pandemic to bed. The problem is that too many citizens and governments won't cooperate. The Flake Factor is perhaps higher than their models have assumed. They assumed mostly rational humans. [wikipedia.org]
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Well, the difference is...this vaccine is not an "immunization" in the classical sense of the term.
With immunizations (like smallpox, TB, etc)...you pretty much get a shot and your are protected for life against it.
You might have to get a booster later in life, but for the most part one shot and your safe.
This type of thing does help eradicate a disease.
Covid, so far, isn't like that.
The vaccines...even the
Re: The "Darwin Option" growing in popularity (Score:5, Informative)
Can people at least try to learn about what they're talking about before asserting things about it?
1) Smallpox has not been a standard vaccination in decades. The disease has been eliminated and only exists today in research laboratories.
2) Only a minority of developed countries [wikipedia.org] (not including the US) vaccinate against tuberculosis. Efficacy data is unclear but FAR from 100%. UK studies say 60-80%, but other studies range all the way down to 19-29% against infection (71% against active tuberculosis).
3) "One Shot And You're Done" is very much NOT normal for vaccines. Let's take the US as an example. The following immunizations are standard in the US [cdc.gov]:
Hep B: 3 doses over 6-15 months
Rotavirus: 2 doses over 2 months
Diptheria, tetanus, and pertussis: 5 doses over 4-6 years, plus boosters every 10 years into adulthood (bare minimum against tetanus)
Haemophilus influenzae B: 3-4 doses over 10-13 months
Pneumonococcal: 4 doses over 10-13 months
Poliovirus: 3-4 doses over 4-6 years
Influenza: Annual
Measles, mumps, rubella: 2 doses over 3-5 years
Varicella: 2 doses over 3-5 years
Hep A: 2 doses over as much as 1 year (note: Hep A and B are sometimes combined, as TwinRix, which is 3 doses over 6 months)
HPV: either 2 doses over 6-12 months or 3 doses over 6 months
Meningococcal: 2 doses over 4-5 years
Meningococcal B: 2 doses either 1 month apart, or at least 6 months apart, depending on the series
How many single dose vaccines do you see in that list? Answer: zero
And compared to COVID vaccinations, which even if two doses are only three weeks apart: how many do you see in that list that are only 3 weeks apart? Answer: zero
The key components to building a response that is (A) strong, (B) persistent, and (C) broadly cross-neutralizing, are (A) number of doses, and (B) time between exposures. And the simple fact is, this wasn't done with COVID vaccines. Not out of spite, but because this was a friggin' pandemic. Nobody had the time to sit around waiting for years between doses, and nobody had the supply for a 5-dose series or whatnot.
But now for many people it's past six months. And guess what? As one would fully expect from other vaccines, six month boosters dramatically increase immunization (A) strength, (B) persistence, and (C) cross neutralization. Infection and hospitalization rates are both an order of magnitude lower than with just two shots.
Which is why this sort of thing is done for vaccinations against other diseases as well.
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Concerning "elimination" - we've only eliminated one disease - smallpox. But the next closest that is routinely vaccinated against - polio - is not a single-shot series. A single shot of IPV yields about 70% efficacy; two shots about 90%; and three shots about 99%. And this is significantly higher than earlier generations of IPV.
Global elimination of SARS-CoV-2 is not on the table in the coming decade. But what is on the table is what we've done for so many other diseases: local elimination. 6 month boost
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We eliminated SARS through aggressive quarantine mostly.
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There's a cow disease that was eliminated through vaccination and through quarantine, we eliminated SARS.
"practically a point source" (Score:2)
"practically a point source" is an interesting phrase.
If there was a single human who was the first to be infected, the human SARS-CoV-2 pandemic literally had a point source, correct?
For it to have "practically a point source," wouldn't you need two or more humans to be infected simultaneously? That seems unlikely.
Smallpox in labs (Score:2)
Smallpox has not been a standard vaccination in decades. The disease has been eliminated and only exists today in research laboratories.
No young person has been vaccinated against it. If it leaks from a lab, the effect would be quite devastating, would it not?
I hope it does not exist in Chinese labs. For good reason: SARS escaped four times from high-level containment facilities in Beijing [cnet.com]
And for good reason: In 2018, the State Department sent two highly unusual cables about lax biosecurity [washingtonpost.com]
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With immunizations (like smallpox, TB, etc)...you pretty much get a shot and your are protected for life against it.
Not really. There is no really such a thing as immune, unless your have a body composed of special cells, at which a particular virus can not dock on.
Everything else is just the same numbers game as with Covid-19.
* lower rate of getting infected - because antibodies pick up the invader right away
* lower rate of seriously getting sick, see above
* lower rate spreading it, see above again
* lower
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Me? I chose to get a shot (or 3) and I've been living pretty much my normal life like pre-pandemic. I go out with friends...public gatherings, bars concerts, etc.
I'm not particularly afraid of non-vaccinated folks...I am concerned about them catching it and having a problem, but they are grown people and have to live with the consequences of their decisions.
you should be very concerned for the none vaccinated, cause they will overload the health care system and won't allow other medical emergencies to be performed. that's the mean reason for lock down and mask wearing, has been since day 1. To prevent the health care system from collapsing.
so those lockdowns and measures definitely have their purpose, cause otherwise, when you have a none covid emergency and have to go to the hospital... tough luck, no room for you.
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> So, at this point, face it, at some point everyone is going to have covid at least once.
But if you're vaxxed, the results are usually milder.
Re: The "Darwin Option" growing in popularity (Score:4, Informative)
Despite the increase in cases, Dr McNamara said that, thanks to vaccination, the vast majority of infection were mild and it was only in “rare circumstances” that serious illness resulted.
https://www.irishtimes.com/new... [irishtimes.com]
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The daft articles like this don't tend to age well. It swells and wanes around the world, over time. Yes, there are a lot of cases in Europe at the moment, but as you rightly say, hospitalisations and deaths are not spiking.
At some point we need to accept we have to live with this. It doesn't seem to be going anywhere. We mitigate as best we can with vaccinations, and we deal. As we do with the flu.
The number of cases of COVID at this point is really nothing more than a scare article, taken out of the great
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And no corresponding spike in hospitalizations or deaths ... because they are vaccinated. Congrats, it is working!
"It works" in the sense that vaccination greatly lowers the probability of symptomatic disease.
"It does not work" in the sense that vaccination does not end the pandemic, and for that particular region in Ireland vaccination did not even end the numerous restrictions people live under.
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There are lot of factors involved such that using a single statistic won't tell us the full story. Perhaps the virus itself had only lightly populated Ireland earlier.
The death rate of the vaxxed is roughly 1/15 of the non-vaxxed, and I have not seen any evidence this estimate is clearly wrong. Note that the vaxxed rate is still close to that of a semi-high "normal" flu season, which have been known to flood hospitals in the past. Thus, the problem is not surprising. Without the vax, they'd probably be stac
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Estimates are roughly 40% of the unvaxxed have already had Covid.
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According to your article, "record breaking" is not very high. They were very careful with quarantine and preventative measures before getting vaccinated.
After vaccination, you can still expect 10%-20% of the population to get covid. So if you were very careful to avoid the disease before vaccination, then it's natural to expect the numbers will go up after vaccination.
Re: The "Darwin Option" growing in popularity (Score:2)
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and the medical sector doesn't want the gravy train to end.
You are obviously seriously brain damaged.
The medical sector is the first one who wants it to end. Or do you think it is fun to treat an unvaccinated idiot in the ICU, have a seriously injured child in the other one and have by law attend both seriousness, walking 50% hours overtime: because one of your colleagues is sick, two have quit the job? You only do not quit yourself because pity the child?
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You're alive, but the oxygen deprivation has obviously caused brain damage.
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I'd gladly accept a jab-a-year to end the fucking pandemic. But it will only work if others do the same.
A sample size of one, Wow! Read a gaddam science and statistics book, Flunko.
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It's not going to end.
So, make your choices and get on with your life...I have.
I just got my booster....I've not had to wear a mask in a long time and I do not.
I've pretty much been living normal again like pre-pandemic.
I'm not afraid of un-vaccinated folks.
Life is short...make your best personal decisions and go on with life.
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We ended polio.
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We ended DDT usage.
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So it's conspiracy turtles all the way down?
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All disease is environmentally caused. Pasteur's "germ theory" is incorrect.
You may not have heard many people saying that, but you will be hearing more, as a new medical paradigm is coming.
Don't bother debating me about it. I realize these statements will cause massive cognitive dissonance for most here. Just giving you a heads up.
Re:The "Darwin Option" growing in popularity (Score:4, Insightful)
many will decide it's time to "go Darwin" and let fate run its course rather than be stuck forever in lockdown limbo
I've already done that, other than getting the vaccine and wearing a mask still. I see no reason to continue lockdown now.
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Same. I preferentially eat outdoors as well, but otherwise COVID is basically over for me.
I kind of miss having other people around at work though. It gets pretty isolated feeling being pretty much the only one on site.
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Let's just be honest about it... that would be a good start.
Being vaxxed, aka, introducing the infection to your immune system, does not prevent you from getting the Covid, as originally (90+% immunity) implied. It does, however, allow us to return to pre-pandemic lifestyles, since the threat of becoming dreadfully ill from an infection depreciates exponentially.
That's the best outcome I can remember for an overly promised expectation since New Coke.
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I don't think there's anything we can do to prevent everyone from being exposed to COVID sooner or later. If there were some way to accomplish that, I would go along with it.
As it is, I figure the masking and vaccination is pretty much all I can do. I especially became a big fan of masking after I saw what happened to influenza rates in the last two years.
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Re: The "Darwin Option" growing in popularity (Score:2, Funny)
Can it be monetized? I propose we strap a camera to anti-vaxxers and follow them around reality-show style, up until the day they die of COVID. Would people watch it? I guess we'll see.
Re:The "Darwin Option" growing in popularity (Score:5, Informative)
The idea is to take more short-term pain to return the long-term to normal, proverbially comparable to a root canal.
Unfortunately, most people, including most leaders, have chosen the "short-term gain for long-term pain" option. Here in Ontario, restaurants and such are now allowed to run at full pre-Covid occupancy levels - and this as we're going into Winter, when the spread of the disease increases.
Sure, people have to show proof of vaccination to be allowed in, but so what? Even those of us who are fully vaccinated can still get Covid and, symptomatic or not, can still spread it. And if we have it, then we're still breeding grounds for possible new variants that may be more lethal and/or less likely to be stopped by the vaccines. But none of that seems to matter. Never mind that we have a huge nursing shortage and another wave could well bring our healthcare system to its knees - gotta get that economy rolling again!
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People in the UK won't accept more lockdowns. Our government keeps screwing up and wasting the effort we make. Then it told us that there were no more lockdowns, they were not going to open up again until they had it beaten for good.
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darwin option... Pretty catchy name; but not like you need yet another cudgel to use against science deniers; who in their refusal to acknowledge the very probable ramifications of not taking a free, safe, and effective vaccine (read as: nearly certain death) put everyone who did their part and GOT THEIR VACCINE at risk of dying.
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If it appears to the public the Covid Dance is perpetual or has a fuzzy end-date, many will decide it's time to "go Darwin" and let fate run its course rather than be stuck forever in lockdown limbo.
You can't go Darwin. Nearly all of the people dying have already bred and perpetuated their stupidity. Additionally if it were just a few stupid people dying I'd agree with you, but right now the moron brigade are taking up valuable hospital beds, costing taxpayers money, putting the vulnerable at risk, potentially disabling themselves via long-COVID costing the social security system money, and very much creating an ideal breeding ground for a potential mutation that sets us all back to square one.
The COVI
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There is no returning to normal, because at least one of the variants is endemic in rodents. This thing is going to be with us effectively forever. Problem is that there are political interests at play, where many see this as a perfect crisis for their ambitions of radical political change in a variety of directions.
Realistically, once you mitigated the worst problems of the disease, you need to learn to live with the rest of it. We know it isn't going away any more, because rodents have existed alongside u
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"Darwin option" sounds like another name for common sense.
Every individual should decide for him or herself what to put, or not put into their body.
Without that fundamental right, do we have any rights at all?
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Viruses spread. This makes it an entirely different question than simply about the right of deciding what to put into one's body. You are also forcing your decision on to others just the same, giving others no option but to be infected by your stupidity and selfishness.
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further, I do not accept your premise that "viruses spread". You state that as fact, when it is actually a theory. A new medical science is coming that does not require such fantasies.
Thank you for outing yourself as a completely fucking idiot.
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Curse at me all you like. People here seem to desire conformity of thought. I do not conform, but seek out truth for myself. If that enrages you, so be it.
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I'm enraged by flat earthers too. My "rage" does nothing to confirm their "truth" either.
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I'm stating that I reject the "contagion theory of disease" and with it the notion that viruses are a cause of disease. (rather than a byproduct of disease). So-called viruses are indistinguishable from cell breakdown material.
If you would like to be further enraged, you can look up the work of Dr. Stefan Lanka, Dr. Tom Cowan, Dr. Andy Kaufman. Of course their work is based on the work of others, going back all the way to Antoine Bechamp, whose work Pasteur plagiarized, misunderstood, and bastardized.
I
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The idea is to take more short-term pain to return the long-term to normal, proverbially comparable to a root canal.
What's missing in the above, was of course, most people had in mind was really "other people take more short-term pain for me to return to long-term to normal". I.e. only other people suffer so I can have my convenience.
That's not it? If some people *really* believed that everyone getting covid "to get it over with" is a good idea, then wouldn't they be starting "covid parties" regularly already? Do you see any people doing that except for a few fools who made news early in the pandemic (and I recall at
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People truly thinking that short-term pain justified long-term normal are calling for hard lockdown, which they themselves would also suffer. 1 month hard lockdown would have completely eradicated the virus, then with strict border control everyone could have normal life again.
No, this has been tried by Australia and New Zealand (for even much longer than 1 month), and did not work [ourworldindata.org], which is not at all surprising as humans are not the only hosts for Sars-Cov-2, many mammals are, too.
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> If some people *really* believed that everyone getting covid "to get it over with" is a good idea, then wouldn't they be starting "covid parties" regularly already?
They are called MAGA Rallies.
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Most vaccinated people aren't locked down.
There are signs COVID will never be over, however, it's gone from a disease that could land you in an overcapacity hospital to "preventable". That's a huge change, which is why things are returning back to normal with gatherings happening and capacity limits being removed.
A full return to normal will happen once the ICUs are cleared out of people and things settle down, when hospitals aren't working at 150% capacity.
That's really what's keeping people being careful
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Most vaccinated people aren't locked down.
Tell that to the millions currently under brutal lock-downs in China, vaccinated or not.
A full return to normal will happen once the ICUs are cleared out of people and things settle down, when hospitals aren't working at 150% capacity.
ICUs in many countries have been "made more efficient" (more profitable) by down-sizing the personnel to a point where they are working at 95% capacity every normal day - outside of any pandemics. And in many years with above-average Influenza seasons we have already seen ICUs being unable to keep up with the incoming severely ill patients - that just did not make quite as much news back then.
I doubt that ICUs will be
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Re: The "Darwin Option" growing in popularity (Score:1)
I agree, but then government canâ(TM)t exercise control. And the end goal is to keep you dependent and scared. Scared people are easy to manipulate.
There is plenty of scientific evidence now that says mask mandates and lockdowns have little to no effect on the spread. So why continue them?
The world is an irony (Score:5, Insightful)
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The people who bitch about not closing things down
they are complaining about why places are so open when the situation is so awful?
are the very people who are causing things to close down
some people would rather just cave in to the squeaky wheels and give them what they seem to want?
I'm not really convinced that's irony.
Ridiculous, fatalities greatly reduced by vaxes (Score:5, Insightful)
... a relaxation of preventive measures have brought Europe to a "critical point" in the pandemic
Ridiculous, fatalities are greatly reduced by vaccines. And an overwhelming number of people with access to vaccines are getting vaxed. The vaccinated fatalities are pretty much people with very serious illness who were close to terminal even without covid.
Making vaccines accessible to all is the only priority. We can't disrupt society because of those that refuse vaccination. At most, shelter those with serious illness.
Re:Ridiculous, fatalities greatly reduced by vaxes (Score:5, Interesting)
But I can't say that the numbers look great either. After all, keep in mind that the virus primarily mutates on replicating itself after infecting an individual. This process doesn't take one to be hospitalized first. Hence these high infection rates still provide the virus with ample opportunities to mutate.
Again, it's great that hospitalization rate is relatively low. But even if the capacities in our hospitals are enough to not have people die because ICUs are full everywhere, at this rate there's no end in sight.
"Slow the spread" was an honest moment (Score:5, Insightful)
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Another hypothesis was that it could kill enough people so that it's rate of spreading significantly slows down.
And another hypothesis postulated it it'll turn into something like a 2nd flu, where at risk patients should take their annual flu shot.
The first one appears to be fairly impossible by now. We've suspected that for a while as Oxford announced some time ago that heard immunity is no longer attainable. And all the current
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The people who don't want it to end are the people not following the health guidelines, ensuring this goes on forever.
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We can't disrupt society because of those that refuse vaccination.
Except that society is being actually disrupted because of those that refuse vaccination. He I'm all for letting stupid people die, but until we pass a law saying that anyone with COVID in hospital without a vaccine gets booted out when someone with elective surgery comes in, or we deny financial coverage to those costing the social system millions due to the medical treatment the unvaccinated morons require, it's better that we put a modicum of rules in place.
People talking about "societal disruption" are
No need to indulge the vaccinated hypochondriacs (Score:3)
Except that society is being actually disrupted because of those that refuse vaccination.
No it is not. If you are vaccinated you are safe from the unvaccinated, even without a mask. I don't think we need to indulge the vaccinated hypochondriacs any more than the unvaccinated. Society needs do very little at this point.
And this does not even consider the mass produced emerging therapeutics, the "covid pills". Fast track those like the vaccines.
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No it is not. If you are vaccinated you are safe from the unvaccinated, even without a mask.
You can still get infected, and you can still pass it on. Passing it on is the issue here. If infection rates are high enough, then you'll get a lot more breakthrough infections
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No it is not. If you are vaccinated you are safe from the unvaccinated, even without a mask.
You can still get infected, and you can still pass it on. Passing it on is the issue here. If infection rates are high enough, then you'll get a lot more breakthrough infections
You are verging on hypochondriac territory. Per the CDC: "Studies so far show that vaccinated people are 8 times less likely to be infected and 25 times less likely to experience hospitalization or death than unvaccinated people." And again, people are going to be exposed eventually. All that can be really done is keep the rate below what the hospitals can deal with. As was explained in the early "slow the spread" days. Thinking we can indefinitely prevent, rather than spread out infections over time, is fa
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You are verging on hypochondriac territory.
Are you retarded? You say THIS immediately after:
Thinking we can indefinitely prevent, rather than spread out infections over time, is fantastical.
How am I the hypochondriac, when you're saying EXACTLY what I'm saying, that infections will breakthrough?
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You are verging on hypochondriac territory.
Are you retarded? You say THIS immediately after:
Thinking we can indefinitely prevent, rather than spread out infections over time, is fantastical.
How am I the hypochondriac, when you're saying EXACTLY what I'm saying, that infections will breakthrough?
Because I am acknowledging that it is not preventable, hence not being a hypochondriac about it. Accepting the fact that we have the vaccine so that the odds are highly in favor of being asymptomatic and even more greatly in favor of no serious illness. Hence, no need to worry. No need to interfere with society to protect those that refuse vaccination.
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He actually explained why the unvaccinated are a risk pretty well and justified his position ...
He provided crappy justification.
Elective surgery should have priority over nothing.
Not covering people who do risky things opens an incredible opportunity for bad unintended consequences.
Forcing private businesses/individuals to be an arm of law enforcement.
Anecdotes for justifying policy. -- oh wait, that was you.
Perhaps next time you should read more than the first few words of the first sentence?
Perhaps every time you should look past the superficial and do a deeper analysis.
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No it is not. If you are vaccinated you are safe from the unvaccinated, even without a mask.
No I'm not. The unvaccinated are putting a load on our medical system that is causing a reduction in the quality of care for the vaccinated. I hope you don't live in my city and need knee surgery or anything like that because LOL we gave your hospital spot away to an unvaccinated moron. That's assuming they could get an unvaccinated moron in in the first place due to the nurse shortage, because fuck knows no one appreciates working 100h weeks solely because of idiots.
Society needs do very little at this point.
When medical systems resume normal funct
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You sound like you think where you live is the entire world. I'm glad your hospitals are in working order. Maybe reflect that the entire world is not the same, and the discussions in many European countries right now about new restrictions are precisely *because ICUs are again full*.
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You sound like you think where you live is the entire world.
Bad guess on you part. I said earlier that the real problem today is getting everyone access to the vaccine.
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Except that's horseshit as several countries experiencing this ICU issues have universal access to the vaccine and anyone can go get one whenever they want.
Honestly you're all over the place, but at least consistent in one part: None of your argument is reflected in reality.
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Except that's horseshit as several countries experiencing this ICU issues have universal access to the vaccine and anyone can go get one whenever they want.
If true, outliers. And there is still the option to transfer or direct people to a different hospital in the region.
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He actually explained why the unvaccinated are a risk pretty well and justified his position ...
And I debunked him.
... Perhaps next time you should read more than the first few words of the first sentence?
I read his post in its entirety. Only the first few words were needed to identify the context of my reply, there was no need to clutter the response.
He could also have mentioned that the voluntarily unvaccinated are causing problems for the immunocompromised, the families thereof (and people who interact with immunocompromised people), ...
As I wrote, those people can be sheltered.
... the 10% of vaccinated people who'll get breakthrough infections, ...
10%, ridiculous, hypochondria. "A New York Times analysis found that the average vaccinated American’s odds of experiencing a breakthrough infection are roughly 1-in-5,000 a day and 1-in-10,000 in highly vaccinated states.
A recent CDC report contains data showing that the odds of a breakthrou
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They're reduced from what it could have been, it doesn't meant that large numbers of people still won't get seriously ill and die, while over stretching hospitals and hospital staff.
The truth seems to be what was explained in the early "slow the spread" days. That everyone will eventually get it, all we can do is stretch out infections over a long period of time to avoid overwhelming the healthcare system. We did that. We got to vaccines, very few people will get seriously ill. We are past the point where a healthcare collapse is realistic.
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Forget the UID, check the username.
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sorry to break it too you buddy.
and i was anti vaxx for the flu shot before covid but i definitly made sure my family was protected from death and long covid.
now we got the merck and pfizer pills. bravo. ill make sure to run and take those if i get a break through.
theres also diet and exercise. Im not political like you so ill do all three.
and finally seems like fermented foods provide yet another vector. im
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It's a sad reflection of the mindset of the average slashdot mod that the parent comment (which is detailed, thoughtful, and referenced) gets modded 'Troll'.
Hey mods, if someone puts effort into a long-form post that you simply happen to disagree with, please exercise some restraint and basic civility.
Thanks!
I fear that if slashdot existed in the days of Galileo or Copernicus, their observations and insights would have been modded into oblivion, as they didn't go along with the group think.
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Random nonsense with no sources is trolling. The sources he lists at the end have little or nothing to do with what he wrote.
"800% increase in miscarriages" with no source whatsoever is a pretty obvious troll. The fact that you can't see that is a sad reflection of something.
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by MisinformedOne. ok.
But ... the crisis is over (no it isn't) (Score:2)
TL;DR: A false sense of normality combined with our inability to deal with tomorrow's problem, is preventing us from doing a bunch of stuff we know we should be doing.
It is interesting how humanity as a collective seems to be unable to take a long-term perspective. E.g. in my country (Norway), we are now in a (temporary) state of normality, and thus there is no crisis. Seemingly, we see only what we want to see, and/or what is right in front of us. Meanwhile:
Did we screw ourselves? (Score:1)
The famous and deadly worldwide Spanish flu of 1918 only lasted (approx) 1 year and two months. What's odd about it is it seems to have happened worldwide even across WW I battlefield lines. Back then people couldn't travel worldwide as they can effortlessly today. I always wondered if Earth passed through something in space that caused it since it seemed to be reported from what I can tell down to the same day worldwide. It was also the flu, like this is.
I wonder if we simply did things as they did in 1918
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Where did the article say that?
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https://www.miamiherald.com/ne... [miamiherald.com]
Re:My daily experiences with the modern Internet: (Score:5, Informative)
This is what to expect from attempting to use the Internet as of 2021:
In 2021, some sadistic, underhanded scumbag keeps spamming Slashdot instead of calling the waaambulance to get both the psychological help he needs to grow up and stop casting himself as a victim, and the technical help he needs to deal with the "modern internet".
I hear and feel your pain - I use Pale Moon too, and sometimes sites are broken with it even when I disable my security, because it's an OLD engine and the world has moved on. So live with things as they are, update and adapt, or STOP USING THE FUCKING INTERNET!
In any case, please stop being a whiny bitch on a tech forum where people don't give a fuck about your snowflake problems and your head-up-your-ass selfishness. Get a life!
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Just think how much money he could have made selling masks and face shields to his millions of fans. But you still gotta own the libs at the end of the day.
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That "orange fucker" opposed lockdowns and pushed vaccines as the solution. Now even his supporters have forgotten all about that. It's like the election happened, a switch flipped, and all of the sudden vaccines which he helped rush into production were now evil liberal tools!