C.D.C. Recommends Covid Vaccine for Younger Children (nytimes.com) 215
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has formally endorsed the Pfizer-BioNTech coronavirus vaccine for children aged 5 through 11, a move that will buttress defenses against a possible surge as winter arrives and ease the worries of tens of millions of pandemic-weary parents. From a report: At a meeting earlier in the day, a panel of scientific advisers had unanimously recommended that the vaccine be given to these children. Inoculations could begin as soon as this week. "Together, with science leading the charge, we have taken another important step forward in our nation's fight against the virus that causes Covid-19," Dr. Rochelle Walensky, director of the C.D.C., said in a statement Tuesday night. The C.D.C.'s endorsement arrives just as Americans prepare for a potentially risky holiday season. Cases in the United States have been falling steadily for weeks, but experts have warned that indoor gatherings may send the rates soaring again. Many Americans seem determined to celebrate; already airlines are bracing for what may be the busiest travel season since the start of the pandemic.
Late is better than never (Score:2)
But truth be told, this is at least six months later than it should have been, for no supportable reason at all. At considerable cost to health and lives.
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Here, read some actual research: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/... [nejm.org]
Re:Late is better than never (Score:5, Informative)
You are flat wrong about any of the vaccines failing to prevent infection and transmission. Efficacy at 0-2 months post 2nd dose against infection is found to be approximately 90+% for both pfizer and moderna, roughly 85% at 2-6 months, and dropping to around 60-70% after 6 months for pfizer.
You are quoting data that is several months old and which much better direct information (rather than statistical inferences) is readily available. The reason for drop of efficacy is mostly Delta not time.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volum... [cdc.gov]
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/p... [nih.gov]
https://doi.org/10.1101/2021.0... [doi.org]
https://www.medrxiv.org/conten... [medrxiv.org]
Bottom line efficacy of the vaccines is basically a coin flip. Better than nothing yet wholly insufficient to prevent community spread.
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The reason for drop of efficacy is mostly Delta not time.
If so, then why does a third booster shot effectively control Delta, bringing R0 down to ~0.75 with no lockdowns [imgur.com]?
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If so, then why does a third booster shot effectively control Delta, bringing R0 down to ~0.75 with no lockdowns?
Correlation is not causation [worldometers.info].
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Correlation is not causation [worldometers.info].
Do you have the data to prove causation for your earlier statement: "The reason for drop of efficacy is mostly Delta not time."?
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Do you have the data to prove causation for your earlier statement: "The reason for drop of efficacy is mostly Delta not time."?
The reason you can tell the difference is because people were given different vaccines at different times and the efficacy of all of them dropped at the same time post delta dominance.
https://www.medrxiv.org/conten... [medrxiv.org]
https://www.medrxiv.org/conten... [medrxiv.org]
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In the same period, Israel had 1500 covid deaths, while Florida had 22,000 deaths. (Florida has about twice the population)
Both Florida and Israel had Delta waves that ended around the same time due to herd immunity. The difference is how that immunity was achieved. In Florida, it was by people getting sick and/or dying. In Israel, the low number of deaths (85% lower per capita than Florida) indicates a low infection rate. Which means immunity was achieved by vaccination - and that the vaccine is indeed eff
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The Efficacy is actually much higher.
Phuket (island in Thailand) is running a so called "sandbox program". (Terminated now and replaced by "Thailand Pass") That allowed fully vaccinated people to visit Phuket, stay for 14 days, then leave the island. Provided they did 4 PCR tests during the stay. One at arrival, three during the stay.
https://www.bangkokpost.com/th... [bangkokpost.com]
Only 26 vaccinated visitors out of the more than 11,800 have tested positive for the virus since the so-called Phuket Sandbox was launched on
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The vast majority of people who died of covid this year were not vaccinated. So shove your claim up your butt.
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Side affects, such as myocarditis or death, are supposedly rare.
Side effects to the COVID vaccines are common [cdc.gov]. Serious side effects (or death) are very rare.
Since the COVID jabs do not prevent infection nor transmission,
The infection and transmission rate among the vaccinated is much lower than among the unvaccinated.
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These are definitely questions worth asking, but it would be a very low probability event if the long term side effects are worse than the short term side effects.
When talking about infertility, there is no reason to believe it is a side effect of the vaccine. However, it is a side effect of COVID. https://www.sciencedirect.com/... [sciencedirect.com]
"moderate to severe Covid infections have caused decreased sperm count, testicular inflammation, sperm duct inflammation and testicular pain in men of reproductive age."
It's not a
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Prevent 100%, no. Reduce substantially, yes.
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I must stop wearing my bike helmet because it did not prevent my death.
So when do we get a vaccine for covid? (Score:2)
I’ll be more than willing to get a vaccine for myself and my family once one is available.
What problem are they solving here? (Score:2)
Where is the data that shows that children are spreading the virus at some massive rate?
Just because we CAN do something, doesn't necessarily mean we SHOULD do something.
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Silver Lining (Score:4, Funny)
This will improve the student/teacher ratio.
Just a reminder on vaccine protection (Score:4, Informative)
The first shot will get you around 50 percent immunization over 8-10 days. Starting at 0 the first day. It's close to linear.
The second shot will get you around 90-98 percent immunization over 8-10 days. Starting at 50 the first day. It's also close to linear.
If you get vaccinated now, the second shot has a better result if you go to the longer end of the time window they give you. However, it means you have a longer period with less immunization.
So, get fully vaccinated - both shots (if you did the one shot, you do need a booster or second shot). Then WAIT until 8-10 days AFTER the second shot before doing social gatherings.
It's ok to wear masks - the vaccine does not protect you from COVID infections, it just boosts your immune system, so they only last 2-3 days (when you can spread the virus) and have much lower symptoms (since your immune system fights it more effectively). And causes you to avoid death and organ failure from COVID. Also, if you're wondering "does it matter if my kid gets vaccinated", ask your doctor to show you pictures of a kid's lungs who was vaccinated and who was not. It's not pleasant, but you'll understand why it's important.
I'll take a shot over death or COVID side effects (Score:5, Insightful)
endless booster shots! It's NEVER going away.
I'll take shots over death or long-term side effects any day, which I am seeing in my family members from Florida, because they're Floridian Republicans and thus caught the virus quite early and a few nearly died. About half have long-haul COVID, including chronic fatigue and some neurological side effects. They all felt proud to defy those mask mandates in 2000, but they all sure as hell regret catching it, including a few who got to stay in the ICU.
I'm employed and insured, so they're free. I think my state gives them out for free even if you're uninsured. Getting my shots was quite quick, efficient and pleasant, but I live in a state where people take such things quite seriously.
But hey, you do you...that whole cynicism act is a sign you're smarter than those of us getting the shots, right?
(correction 2020, not 2000, I'll see myself out) (Score:2)
felt proud to defy those mask mandates in 2000
Fuqqq..that should have been 2020..I need new glasses...and am a dumbshit, I'll see myself out now.
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I'm employed and insured, so they're free. I think my state gives them out for free even if you're uninsured. Getting my shots was quite quick, efficient and pleasant, but I live in a state where people take such things quite seriously.
The COVID vaccine is supplied without charge to everyone in the USA regardless of insurance or immigration status, in every state. The cost of the vaccines are insignificant when compared to the avoided costs that the disease imposes on the health care system and the wider economy.
If we had spent a couple of hundred billion dollars at the start of this thing we could have been WAY ahead of the game financially. If we spend some billions each year on tracking and preparation for the next pandemic we will be
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You mean like the flu, or even tetanus?
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I fully expect the technology behind this vaccine to be leveraged on the flu and create a better flu vaccine that can target a larger range of variants than the current ones. They will probably combo shot this into a single thing you get every year. I'm excited about the prospect.
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Like flu shots?
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Re:is anyone surprised (Score:5, Insightful)
Meanwhile in reality, the actual origin of this particular lie is a classic Goebbels "accuse the other side of that which you are guilty." Down in Florida, governor Deathsantis - after taking millions of dollars from Regeneron - is doing everything possible to keep plague rats from having to get vaccinated so when they predictably get horribly ill there are more people desperate for antibody therapy. There's your actual drug company conspiracy.
And apparently I need to enter more random text here because according to slashdot's retarded comment filter the above "looks too much like ascii art."
His Subject There! (Score:2)
The ASCII art filter was probably triggered by your use of hyphens. Not sure if that was related to the Funny moderation. Hard to see the Funny there or in the troll Subject.
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And the pro-vaccine people say the drug companies aren't making any money from it.
Who are the people you think are claiming that? The ones getting straw all over your living room?
Re:Let's spitball some numbers (Score:5, Interesting)
If all the kids age 5 to 11 had magically had immunity against covid already, the body count in this country would be lower by...a few hundred.
Really?
I have colleagues who have been infected with COVID from their children.
The mortality rate is children is low, but you're claiming that children don't infect others. That's simply not true of CoVID out here in reality.
Possibly a bit more if one includes household spread where the kid was the index case rather than an adult getting the kid infected.
There have been about 5 million deaths from covid, according to Johns Hopkins University. How many of them do you think involved transmission through a child at some point in the infection history of the virus?
Because "a bit more than a few hundred" doesn't sound like a couple few million. Or even a couple of hundred thousand.
Older kids who tend to mix more and participate in activities like travelling sports teams...probably.
Children transmit infection more effectively than others, it turns out.
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I have colleagues who have been infected with COVID from their children.
The mortality rate is children is low, but you're claiming that children don't infect others. That's simply not true of CoVID out here in reality.
This is irrelevant because everyone is getting it. There is insufficient efficacy either from natural infection or vaccination to prevent continuous community transmission throughout the population.
There have been about 5 million deaths from covid, according to Johns Hopkins University. How many of them do you think involved transmission through a child at some point in the infection history of the virus?
Nobody will be spared. This isn't measles were people can hide from infection their whole lives. Covid is more like seasonal flu. Everyone's going to be exposed to it at some point so this business of who you get it from is meaningless. The only reason to care about transmission is pressure on medical system
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This is irrelevant because everyone is getting it.
Then you want everyone to be vaccinated.
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Then you want everyone to be vaccinated.
I would be happy if everyone at risk elected to be vaccinated. I agree with the position of UK's Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation WRT vaccinating children.
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This is irrelevant because everyone is getting it. There is insufficient efficacy either from natural infection or vaccination to prevent continuous community transmission throughout the population.
Tell that to Israel [worldometers.info], where Delta was widespread until they let everyone have a booster vaccine (in August-September 2021), and since then it's been steadily declining towards zero with no lockdowns or other restrictive countermeasures.
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Tell that to Israel, where Delta was widespread until they let everyone have a booster vaccine (in August-September 2021), and since then it's been steadily declining towards zero with no lockdowns or other restrictive countermeasures.
I don't believe in extracting cause and effect from infection charts. This line of reasoning is simply too much of a Rorschach test too much people seeing what they want. Most control measures are taken when infections are high and realistically there is only one place for rates to go from there. Surprise we did x and y was observed therefore Mission Accomplished. No.
As a counter-example Death Santis's Florida has over twice the population of Israel and it basically did the same thing as Israel. https: [worldometers.info]
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In the same period, Israel had 1500 covid deaths, while Florida had 22,000 deaths.
Florida and Israel are similar in that both achieved herd immunity at the same time. Florida did that by infecting everyone and having lots of them die. Somehow, Israel had 85% fewer deaths per capita at the same time. What seems more likely - that Israelis are magically better at surviving covid infection, or that the extra vaccination dose Israelis took gave them immunity before they even got infected?
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I'm more pessimistic than that, but even I think that within 5-10 years, COVID will have an annual death toll somewhere between the common cold and the flu
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The question is how often everyone will be exposed / get sick from it. If everyone gets COVID-19 every 6 months, that's a pretty bad outcome. If everyone gets COVID-19 every 6 years, that's not great, but something we can deal with. If everyone gets COVID-19 every 60 years, then it's barely noticeable (assuming long-term effects are indeed rare). All of those count as "endemic".
From my perspective the useful question is what happens when you are re-exposed to covid when you already have acquired immunity. For most the answer is currently nothing / very little. As people are re-exposed acquired immunity is further increased.
Recent issues with overwhelmed medical systems and excess deaths are the cost of purchasing a new virus to which none previously had acquired immunity. Ongoing maintenance costs while typically much cheaper will certainly be paid out.
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I have colleagues who have been infected with COVID from their children.
It's very clear that the COVID vaccines do a very poor job of preventing infection, and thus are not providing herd immunity. I'm all for vaccinating to greatly reduce the severity of illness, and thus directly decrease the morbidity of those who are vaccinated. However let's be realistic here and not tout the vaccinate for doing things that it doesn't do (or doesn't do well).
Vaccinating children will not have a huge impact in preventing children from spreading COVID to their families. Especially the del
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Then why werenâ(TM)t your colleagues vaccinated?
I don't know in one case. In the other case, my colleague had had one shot but not the second. So I guess the answer, where I know it, is they didn't have time.
If they choose not to get vaccinated, why would they want their kids to be vaccinated?
They were choosing. Just not fast enough.
Or are you claiming vaccination didnâ(TM)t protect them, but it will magically work for the kids?
Even the one shot would have provided a little bit of protection. But there was still anosmia, so that implies neurological symptoms, which isn't good. But they weren't hospitalized or inturbated or anything.
And the viral load and so infectiousness would have been reduced compared to if they were unvaccinate
Re:Let's spitball some numbers (Score:5, Informative)
If we're going to spitball some numbers, can we see some numbers?
There's good reason to believe that there wont be long term effects of the vaccine
https://www.muhealth.org/our-s... [muhealth.org]
But there's plenty of long term effects from COVID
https://www.nature.com/article... [nature.com]
Can't follow links apparently? (Score:5, Informative)
The poster you responded to provided links that explicitly refute your claim "product tested over a few months".
First, it's been almost a year with COVID shots in widespread use. Longer if you include clinical trials.
Second, the link you apparently didn't read shows long term studies of the delivery mechanism for the COVID vaccines. Decades worth of studies.
Viral vector vaccines have been studied since the 70's. Also in the link you apparently didn't read.
The viral development process is designed to help discover safety issues too, and has been going on longer than "a few months".
You could have read all these arguments linked to by the original poster, but didn't. You didn't respond to any of them effectively. I don't think your thought processes are worth much, because they are so obviously shallow.
--PeterM
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So they don't have to spend tons of resources proving in multiple court cases that the vaccine is safe. Even if they were giving shots of saline solution, there'd be people suing them for claimed negative effects that they'd have to fight in court.
Even when you win, being sued is a hassle and enough suits are like a DOS attack
Re:Let's spitball some numbers (Score:4, Insightful)
No harm? This is the deadliest 'vaccine' in the history of vaccines and has caused the most adverse reactions by several orders of magnitude.
You're... not too bright, I see. If you can read, you should look up the oral polio vaccine with weakened virus; it occasionally causes polio. This happens way more often than any long-term effects of any covid vaccine, and polio is a hella-bad adverse reaction. Hell, the first vaccine (for smallpox) infected EVERY PERSON who got the vaccine with a disease! Of course, cowpox was far less dangerous than smallpox, so it was a great tradeoff.
So the covid vaccine is very safe compared to those vaccines.
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I was reading about how the first smallpox vaccine was transported to the America's. No refrigeration or such so they acquired a bunch of orphans, gave one cowpox and as they recovered, gave the next in line cowpox etc until arrival.
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I don't want to be that guy, but it looks like the number is 576 for the 0-17 age group in the US.
It's 94 for 5-11 age range according to the FDA.
https://www.fda.gov/media/1535... [fda.gov]
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You completely misunderstand the effort.
It's not about protecting the children from getting sick, it's about removing children as a vector for infecting adults.
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That statistic is a useful starting point, and generally confirms the OP's contention that, if all those kids had immunity, the body count would be lower by hundreds.
However...
The OP's view is not nearly expansive enough, because the under-18 crowd have not just passive victims of the virus - they've also been transmitters. The vaccinated are much less likely to sprea
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It's not the odds of dying we're playing here, it's the odds of getting it. What's not captured in the numbers is the # of people who have been infected by their children and have gotten sick and/or died.
My house is a small sample. Super careful since March 2020. Adults vaccinated. Two kids under 12, birthday this January. I wanted them to be vaccinated prior to returning to school. Son came down with it 6 weeks ago, we were careful in the house, but eventually all four of us were positive. No one go
Re:Let's spitball some numbers (Score:5, Informative)
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Could you name a single person from Hollywood or the medias who died in 2020?
Single? No. None of the people the lists of famous people were single: https://www.thewrap.com/celebr... [thewrap.com]
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Without looking it up, an incomplete list.
Charley Pride
K.T. Oslin
Herman Cain
Lee Konitz
Allen Garfield
John Prine
the guy from Siegfried & Roy
Nick Cordero
Terrence McNally
Mark Blum
Joe Diffie
the singer from Fountains of Wayne
Trini Lopez
Harold Budd
Tom Seaver
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Re:Let's spitball some numbers (Score:5, Informative)
Yet, somehow, more people have died of COVID in 2021 (even with two more months to go) than all of 2020.
Yeah, but how many of those that died were vaccinated? 25%? How many were unvaccinated? 75%? https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-da... [cdc.gov]
Sounds like the vaccines are doing their job pretty effectively.
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Link please, asshole.
Parent is correct.
The total number of covid deaths of children between the ages of 5 and 11 is 94 for all of 2020 thru Oct 16 2021.
Seroprevalence sampling of 5 to 11 age group has to be well north of 50% by now. The FDA data shows 40% as of June.
https://www.fda.gov/media/1535... [fda.gov]
Kids don't die from covid, but they spread it (Score:5, Insightful)
The original post on this thread is correct in that very few kids die of COVID in the 5-11 age range. More kids die in car accidents. However, those kids can be vectors to give COVID to others. Vaccination helps with this a bit.
Also, even with that low death rate, the FDA and CDC are saying that getting the shot is less risky than getting COVID for that age range.
COVID doesn't have to kill you, after all, to make you miserable for a long time. Losing one's sense of smell and taste is a big bummer. Brain fog is a big bummer. Blood clots are also big bummers. All of these happen less frequency to kids, but they all happen.
And then, of course, there's your duty to everyone else. A vaccinated person is less likely to spread COVID. Apparently not a lot less, but less. Your right to swing your virus ends at someone else's nose.
Re:Kids don't die from covid, but they spread it (Score:4, Insightful)
Kids will also suffer if one of their parents die from covid or have long lasting symptoms. Beside vaccinating the parents, the vaccination of the kids directly protects them and indirectly help them by protecting their parents from break-through infections.
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And do not forget: when those adverse outcomes happen to children, parents and caregivers are affected, too. Not that parents necessarily get sick, too, but because they have to deal with sick children. Yet another reason that, for the sake of th
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On the other hand, other studies say different [nature.com].
It is *completely normal* for studies to contradict each other. This is why you never make any decisions based on individual studies. Virtually every dietary supplement in your local potion shop (health store) has studies supporting it, but precious few are supported by the *balance* of evidence. Citing individual studies doesn't make a position "evidence-based" unless that position is based on a wide and systematic survey of the published literature.
Another
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I hear otherwise reputable health news organizations report completely opposite information regarding this.
AND THIS IS THE PROBLEM. Even well intentioned people have no idea who to believe because... politics.
I was first in line for the vaccine when my number came up. But my kids? That demands an extra level of caution. I wouldn't give them Tylenol if they didn't really need it. Two years into this and none of them have had COVID (symptoms, at least), despite living with me while I had it. Little kids
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> The total number of covid deaths of children between the ages of 5 and 11 is 94 for all of 2020 thru Oct 16 2021.
From dear leader:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
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It's good entertainment to fight with the dum dums and sock puppets.
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The moderation in these comments is kind of terrifying, too. A bunch of accounts modding up straight-up disinformation.
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Have you read half the comments here? Bloodhawk isn't wrong saying the articles bring out nut jobs.
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A Google search for "Science is evil" returns six million hits.
Re:Death Jabs for Cuties (Score:5, Informative)
- There is approximately one case of mild myocarditis per hundred thousand vaccinations, which resolves completely with zero lasting effects within a week or two. Do you know what else causes heart swelling and widespread circulatory system damage? Goddamn covid. And not 1 time in 100000, more like 1 in 4 or 5. Covid also causes major lung scarring and erectile dysfunction at similar rates: All linked to blood vessel damage.
- There may or may not have been a single death directly linked to the Pfizer vaccine at this point
- The children's shots are made and diluted separately exactly to prevent incorrect dilutions by the delivering nurse
- And of course, fucktard parent is just lying about the presence of mercury. And, even if it were present, mercury does not cause sterility. It is a horrific, insidious, bioaccumulative neurotoxin, and is especially harmful to babies if mother is exposed while pregnant... but it does not sterilize anything.
Re:Death Jabs for Cuties (Score:4, Insightful)
- There is approximately one case of mild myocarditis per hundred thousand vaccinations, which resolves completely with zero lasting effects within a week or two. Do you know what else causes heart swelling and widespread circulatory system damage? Goddamn covid. And not 1 time in 100000, more like 1 in 4 or 5. Covid also causes major lung scarring and erectile dysfunction at similar rates: All linked to blood vessel damage.
"You're worried about the side effects of the vaccine? You know what's a side effect of measles? Dying of fucking measles." - Lewis Black
Your Subject Here! (Score:2)
Weak joke propagating propaganda Subject?
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Yes, I guessed so. But I wanted to show him how stupid he is.
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That is exactly why Thimerosal is no longer used since 1999.
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Here's reference [cdc.gov] for you.
They began phasing it out in 1999, and it generally has been, but it's still in most combination vaccines.
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Maybe I'm wrong, but correcting a factual inaccuracy seemed important.
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Re:CDC needs to focus on people with comorbidities (Score:4, Informative)
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The CDC, WHICH IS NOT A GOVERNMENT AGENCY (though many here might not know that), is funded by the pharmaceutical companies - [....]
Answering the lies in your post would mostly just give you credit. However, this is a really funny one; you can find the actual funding of the CDC by the US goverment [cdc.gov] directly on their web pages. You tell your lies and the gullibility of the people that believe them is just incredible.
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It would be funny if it weren't actively killing people. [reddit.com]
Oh, yea, I almost forgot. (Score:3)
The immorality came from some orange ape making a public health crisis into a divisive political issue where one side actively tries to harm themselves and others to demonstrate their loyalty to their in-group.
Disinformation on this level is akin to screaming fire in a crowded theater only this is real and not hypothetical.
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That's like saying that because drivers aren't at risk hitting pedestrians, why should they obey traffic laws and stop at crosswalks.
If you have to reach fifty years back to find an example of a drug that shouldn't have been approved, well, thanks for demonstrating that the system has improved in the last fifty years.
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COVID is less harmful to *THEM*, but their ability to transmit it is the same as an adults.
Also, despite covid being less harmful to them than it is to adults, the risk of complications from the vaccine is even lower.
Do the math.
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There were hundreds of studies that seemed to corroborate the fear that the vaccine does not reduce transmission by much.
Unvaccinated children will transmit the virus with probability T_u and very rarely become sick with probability S_u.
Vaccinated children will transmit the virus with probability T_v and very rarely become sick with probability S_v and very rarely experience dangerous vaccine side effects V_v.
We know that the probabilities of T_u and S_u are reasonably low for children. So low, that at the
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We know that the probabilities of T_u and S_u are reasonably low for children. So low, that at the absolute height of the pandemic, children were rarely affected or not affected at all (from the virus, not the lockdowns).
A huge part of that was because we closed the schools and kept the kids at home. Now that we've reopened most schools, the numbers of hospitalized children have been rapidly climbing.
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Brainwashed
How so? How is classical, plain and simple risk management and decision theory "brainwashed"?
We have two options, we compare those two to see which one poses more risk or more reward or a better risk/reward ratio. And then we decide applying the same risk to every human is a sensible strategy, because if that risk would occur, it would affect everyone at the same time.
To me, it does not sound like good risk management to apply the same exact risk to all human beings in the country because this has the poten
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> It benefits them by protecting them from becoming actively sick, or lessons the time they are sick.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
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I wish more people that are hesitant in getting the vaccine would speak directly to their primary care physician or their child's pediatric physician and not rely on the huge amount of conflicting information on social media or obviously political opinions. We rely on our doctor's advice on other vaccines (MMR, Polio, HepB, TDAP), so why are we listening to anecdotal evidence from people we wouldn't trust to manage our finances, develop legal advice, or prepare our taxes, but we regard them as new-found medical experts?
One key thing you're missing: these people are only going to doctors that will tell them what they want to hear. If the doctor tells them wear a mask and get vaccinated, they'll just go to another doctor until they find one that says not to do those things.
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It's kind of a mixed bag and there are some studies ongoing on this.
In general, getting vaccinated has a very high correlation with clearing "long COVID" from your system.
However, some of the damage may have been permanent effects. You should see what COVID does to lungs, organs, extremities (why kids have discolored toes or fingers) and ... even brain tissue.
Vaccination is not the be all and end all, but it is the highest return on investment. Always consult your pediatrician about your specific case, and