China Launches 6-Month Crewed Mission, Cements Position as Global Space Power (cnn.com) 69
"China launched a three-person crew into space in the early hours of Saturday," reports CNN, calling it "a major step for the country's young space program, which is rapidly becoming one of the world's most advanced..."
They will dock at China's new space station, Tiangong (which means Heavenly Palace), six and a half hours after launch. They will live and work at the station for 183 days, or just about six months... "This will certainly be their longest mission, which is quite impressive when you consider how early it is in their human spaceflight regimen," said Dean Cheng, senior research fellow at the Davis Institute for National Security and Foreign Policy.
This is the second crewed mission during the construction of the space station, which China plans to have fully crewed and operational by December 2022. The first crewed mission, a three-month stay by three other astronauts, was completed last month. Six more missions have been scheduled before the end of next year, including two crewed missions, two laboratory modules and two cargo missions. "For the Chinese, this is still early in their human spaceflight effort as they've been doing this for less than 20 years ... and for fewer than 10 missions," Cheng added. "In the past, the Chinese put up a crewed flight only once every two to three years. Now, they're sending them up every few months."
"If the Chinese maintain this pace ... it reflects a major shift in the mission tempo for their human spaceflight efforts...."
China successfully landed an exploratory rover on the moon last December and one on Mars in May. The first module of the Tiangong space station launched in April. Just last week, an international team of scientists released their findings from the moon rocks China brought back to Earth... "The European Space Agency, Russia, India, and Israel have suffered Moon or Mars probe failures in recent years; China succeeded with both on the first tries," David Burbach, associate professor of national security affairs at the US Naval War College, told CNN via email. Though the US still has the world's leading space program, he said, "there's no doubt that China is the world's Number 2 space power today."
China's ambitions span years into the future, with grand plans for space exploration, research and commercialization. One of the biggest ventures will be building a joint China-Russia research station on the moon's south pole by 2035 — a facility that will be open to international participation... Chinese astronauts have long been locked out of the International Space Station due to US political objections and legislative restrictions — which is why it has been a long-standing goal of China's to build a station of its own...
One reason space research cannot be divorced from terrestrial politics, and why the issue is so complicated, is because "the Chinese space program is heavily influenced, and its human and lunar programs are overseen, by the Chinese military," Cheng said. "Cooperating with China in space means cooperating with the Chinese military."
This is the second crewed mission during the construction of the space station, which China plans to have fully crewed and operational by December 2022. The first crewed mission, a three-month stay by three other astronauts, was completed last month. Six more missions have been scheduled before the end of next year, including two crewed missions, two laboratory modules and two cargo missions. "For the Chinese, this is still early in their human spaceflight effort as they've been doing this for less than 20 years ... and for fewer than 10 missions," Cheng added. "In the past, the Chinese put up a crewed flight only once every two to three years. Now, they're sending them up every few months."
"If the Chinese maintain this pace ... it reflects a major shift in the mission tempo for their human spaceflight efforts...."
China successfully landed an exploratory rover on the moon last December and one on Mars in May. The first module of the Tiangong space station launched in April. Just last week, an international team of scientists released their findings from the moon rocks China brought back to Earth... "The European Space Agency, Russia, India, and Israel have suffered Moon or Mars probe failures in recent years; China succeeded with both on the first tries," David Burbach, associate professor of national security affairs at the US Naval War College, told CNN via email. Though the US still has the world's leading space program, he said, "there's no doubt that China is the world's Number 2 space power today."
China's ambitions span years into the future, with grand plans for space exploration, research and commercialization. One of the biggest ventures will be building a joint China-Russia research station on the moon's south pole by 2035 — a facility that will be open to international participation... Chinese astronauts have long been locked out of the International Space Station due to US political objections and legislative restrictions — which is why it has been a long-standing goal of China's to build a station of its own...
One reason space research cannot be divorced from terrestrial politics, and why the issue is so complicated, is because "the Chinese space program is heavily influenced, and its human and lunar programs are overseen, by the Chinese military," Cheng said. "Cooperating with China in space means cooperating with the Chinese military."
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China's manufacturing capability is top notch. It's their customer service and QA that are shit, but that's intentional to save money because there are no consequences. It's slowly changing, underscore slowly. However, they CAN do QA if they want to, and presumably they want to when it comes to spacecraft.
As for Russia being involved, I would presume they want the technology transfer, not any help with manufacturing since Russia is always a day late and a dollar short in that department.
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We moved our supply chain to Mexico and the US, and it was the best move ever for our quality and reliability.
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There is a huge difference between manufacturing for the Chinese market or even the international market under a Chinese brand and outsourced manufacturing.
The Chinese keep the best quality for themselves.
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Having run a hardware manufacturer for the past year, I can tell you that Chinese manufacturers are low quality. They swap parts and violate specifications at will because they know the supply chain is long and it is not worth the trouble to call them on their bullshit. It is lazy manufacturing.
Thanks for accidentally backing me up there. They swap parts and violate specifications at will because they know the supply chain is long and you won't do proper QA. It is lazy sourcing.
Everyone has to do QA. It's half of what separates the good from the bad, the design being the other half. You can't skip either half. If you take the attitude that it's not worth calling a supplier on their failures (deliberate or not) then you're going to get failures. If you can't save money by going to China and also do
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There is a pretty strong correlation between innovation and freedom. Usually it's religion that seems to suppress it, but political authoritarianism probably does too. The US is rather an outlier on the religiosity vs. innovation graph. The more the Chinese government gives up on communism and opens special economic zones, the more innovation.
There's also a tendency for increasing wealth and education to make the populace less tolerant of authoritarianism, so the causality is not likely to be simple.
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There is a pretty strong correlation between innovation and freedom. Usually it's religion that seems to suppress it, but political authoritarianism probably does too.
Ah yes, religious suppression of innovation. [wikipedia.org] Any other facts people want me to rewrite?
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You may want to look up "anecdote."
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Monotheism is pretty much the opposite of a knowable universe, the deity can do whatever they damn well please and cause and effect aren't necessarily connected because "maybe god did it".
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Islam, however, does not believe in this internal consistency for God, so there you are correct - Allah can contradict himself and it's all good in
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Oh, good grief. God stopped the sun and allowed trumpets to destroy the walls of Jerico, parted the Red Sea, sent plagues against Egypt but then deliberately hardened Pharaoh's heart again, guided the Israelites through the desert with a pillar of fire, feeding them with manna, rose people from the dead, fed a huge crowd with a fish and a couple loaves of bread, let saints be engulfed by fire for an hour without injury, etc. etc. etc. Where is the consistency? Every "miracle" is a violation of consistenc
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I guess you missed the part where I mentioned the US is an outlier?
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The West in generally really needs to step up its game to match Chinese R&D. For example while European and US manufacturers were slowly starting to introduce hybrid busses, China had entire cities running on pure battery electric ones. While we were being told that 400kWh batteries were impossible, too expensive, take too long to charge and would need replacing every few years, China had practically stopped selling new fossil fuel models.
It's sad to read about people calling for more economic and political warfare against China, in an effort to slow Chinese innovation. We should be stepping up.
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China has the advantage of having industrialized more recently than Europe and the US. Now they have a raw materials and manufacturing base that allows them to very rapidly innovate. If you have an idea for a new product you can go from zero to prototype in weeks with Chinese partners.
They also invested heavily in education, which is mostly free. Much of Europe has free education, but in the US and UK it seems we feel that education is a personal benefit that the state should not pay for.
Corporate corruptio
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No, the US is run by inept, short-sighted, self-indulgent, thirsty politicians who ... oh, never mind.
(To be fair, people keep voting in those politicians, so we really only have ourselves to blame.)
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I guess you missed that Harvard study where they found weak to null correlations between what people vote for & what politicians do, but strong correlations between what corporations & the rich want & what politicians do.
Also, because of the way the US electoral system works, e.g. 2 year-long election campaigns & whoever has the biggest funding tends to win, politicians spend a greater percentage of their time doing fundraising than anything else.
It seems to me that, when the chips are down,
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I guess you missed that Harvard study where they found weak to null correlations between what people vote for & what politicians do, but strong correlations between what corporations & the rich want & what politicians do. ...
Nope, didn't see that, but don't doubt it. Thanks.
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It seemed to me that statement was a bit blatant for Clinton, she's on the wrong side of a lot of things but I don't think she's stupid enough to be quoted saying that. It was actually Groucho Marx. If she was quoting him that's something else entirely, dependent on context.
https://brightlightsfilm.com/p... [brightlightsfilm.com]
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Difficult things - like embarking on a programme with a 20-30 year timescale - are where the corporate/ democratic side of the world really struggle to manage.
If they're planning a 6-month mission now ... then I'd guess they're not going to bother with a Moon landing, and maybe establish a Phobos base by 2025, and a Mars landing 2 conjunctions after that. The Phobos base would be the important thing ; the Mars landing maybe to
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And they out-cute us. We must close the cute-ness gap or lose billions in cute-ness revenue. Once Hello Kitty surpassed Betty Boop their cuteness kept flowing, kicking our not-so-cute flabby asses.
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China is still a totalitarian oppressive dictatorship. Their industrial success will never become true innovation without regime change.
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breaking news, china has already caught up and surpassed the west on several research and technical fronts, both in efficiency and innovation. dunno what bullshit propaganda you have been fed lately but it doesn't really help you catch up with reality.
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Lol. The barbarians are not even worthy of our attention! Not worthy I tell you!
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So you know they think of us westerners as barbarians? Have you lived there? I did. I'm glad you brought it up. Have no mod points though. :(
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WTF? I was referring to GPs attitude. I'm pretty sure he ain't Chinese.
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I'll not hold my breath. Racists like you never retract.
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Been there done that
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Apparently you've been so far in the backwoods with other inbreds that you've never heard of SpaceX.
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Sometimes it's both. The CCP, for example, both promotes science and elevates some (but only if they don't get too powerful) scientists to great presitige while at the same time promoting the cult of personality of the party president. This includes forcing schools to teach children about the personal philosophies of the leader in a nearly religious manner. An interesting mix to say the least. Personally I prefer smart, humble people, but that combination in politics is hard to come by.
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Pretty soon you say. Before Musk to Mars? Space is hard and unforgiving. No one has colonized* space, and the space stations everyone has sent isn't colonization, but baby steps towards that. It's admirable what the Chinese are doing, but lets not let pride or self-flagellation cloud reality either.
*Settlement [space.com] would be a better term.
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No one has colonized* space, and the space stations everyone has sent isn't colonization, but baby steps towards that.
The first anarctic base was established in 1898. [wikipedia.org]
Antarctica is far more appealing to live in than space, the moon, or Mars. But still no colonies, and no plans, 123 years later.
I hope to see a scientific base on Mars in my lifetime, but not holding my breath on a full colony in Antarctica, or at the bottom of the ocean, let alone in space.
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This is what happens when our country if full of backwoods inbreds who are anti-science and believe in a magical, invisible sky wizard. Other countries have caught up and have completely passed us in the space race. Pretty soon THEY will be colonizing space and we'll be back in the dark ages.
We might be more receptive to your lectures about "science" if you didn't believe that boys can become girls just by wishing hard enough.
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The USA has been on a civilisation downfall for more than a couple of decades. You did it to yourselves by voting circus acts for presidents, by not protesting, by supporting corporations, by succumbing to greed... and essentially living in the USA dream bubble. When it bursts, Crom knows what's gonna happen. You might become China, and China will become you. Except that you will be ruled by corporations instead of CCP, but the difference is actually not that big, and that's what makes Americans feel happie
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Call a piece of the same rock democratic
Hail no!
Our rock is Republican!
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In order to catch up and pass us in a race - there must first be a race. There isn't.
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I don't understand why they are still banned from the ISS. It used to have "sensitive" technology, but that was decades ago. It's old-hat now. The Russians are not exactly trustworthy either. The ISS is falling apart and needs as much help as it can get.
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The Russians refuse to let the Chinese license new military equipment for local manufacture anymore. They used to do that all the time. I really doubt the Russians want them copying their space tech, it is one of the few money-making industries they have left.
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Don't be so naÃve to think it's any different with the US space program, behind the curtains the militarily is controlling the space program too.
But good luck to the chinese to have their space program finally progress in such a speedy way, where the US program has come to a halt, but only progresses through the work of commercial space companies like SpaceX (or Blue Origin).
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It isn't behind a curtain, the system was designed that way.
It is always amusing when an ignoramus presumes everybody else is naive. We'd have told you if we'd known you didn't know, or if you'd asked.
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