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Did Death Cheat Stephen Hawking of a Nobel Prize? (msn.com) 60

"Did death cheat Stephen Hawking of a Nobel Prize?" asks the New York Times: When the iconic physicist died on March 14, 2018, data was already in hand that could confirm an ominous and far-reaching prediction he had made more than four decades before. Dr. Hawking had posited that black holes, those maws of gravitational doom, could only grow larger, never smaller — swallowing information as they went and so threatening our ability to trace the history of the universe. That data was obtained in 2015 when the Laser Interferometer Gravitational-Wave Observatory, or LIGO, recorded signals from two massive black holes that had collided and created an even more massive black hole. Dr. Hawking's prediction was a first crucial step in a series of insights about black holes that have transformed modern physics. At stake is whether Einsteinian gravity, which shapes the larger universe, plays by the same rules as quantum mechanics, the paradoxical rules that prevail inside the atom.

A confirmation of Dr. Hawking's prediction was published this summer in Physical Review Letters. A team led by Maximiliano Isi, a physicist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, and his colleagues had spent years digging into the details of the LIGO results, and in July they finally announced that Dr. Hawking was right, at least for this particular black hole collision. "It's an exciting test because it's a long-desired result that cannot be achieved in a lab on Earth," Matthew Giesler, a researcher at Cornell University and part of Dr. Isi's team, said in an email. "This test required studying the merger of two black holes over a billion light years away and simply could not be accomplished without LIGO and its unprecedented detectors."

Nobody claims to know the mind of the Nobel Prize committee, and the names of people nominated for the prize are held secret for another 50 years. But many scientists agree that Dr. Isi's confirmation of Dr. Hawking's prediction could have made Dr. Hawking — and his co-authors on a definitive paper about it — eligible for a Nobel Prize.

But the Nobel Prize cannot be awarded posthumously. Dr. Isi's result came too late.

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Did Death Cheat Stephen Hawking of a Nobel Prize?

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  • Hold on.. (Score:4, Informative)

    by fiddley ( 834032 ) <partiedout@hCOFF ... m minus caffeine> on Saturday October 09, 2021 @01:03PM (#61875267) Homepage

    Didn't his prediction/discovery of Hawking Radiation state that over time black holes evaporate?

    • by Mgns ( 934567 )
      You are absolutely correct. This whole submission is very strange http://www.scholarpedia.org/ar... [scholarpedia.org] This radiation reduces the mass of black holes and is therefore also known as black hole evaporation.
    • Yes, and the smaller they are, the faster they do.
      That is the reason the LHC didn't eat up Earth, and neither do the about four tiny black holes that enter our atmosphere each (I think) year.
      At least that's what the theories said, and we have no observation to disagree with them, but also not exactly observation to agree with it, which is probably why he didn't get that prize. )

      • four tiny black holes that enter our atmosphere

        There is zero evidence that tiny BHs exist, and plenty of evidence that they do not.

        The smallest known BH is 3.3 solar masses. There is no known mechanism for the creation of a BH smaller than that.

        If they were out there, we would see their effects, such as gravitational lensing. We don't.

        • by nagora ( 177841 )

          four tiny black holes that enter our atmosphere

          There is zero evidence that tiny BHs exist, and plenty of evidence that they do not.

          The smallest known BH is 3.3 solar masses. There is no known mechanism for the creation of a BH smaller than that.

          Start with a big one and let it evaporate?

          • Start with a big one and let it evaporate?

            A BH the mass of the sun will take 1.16e67 years to evaporate.

            It will radiate the mass of one hydrogen atom every trillion years.

            The rate of evaporation is proportional to the cube of the mass, so a 3.3 solar mass BH, will last 36 times as long.

            There is no way for a small BH to have been created from a big BH during the current lifetime of the universe.

            Hawking Radiation Calculator [vttoth.com]

            • by nagora ( 177841 )

              Start with a big one and let it evaporate?

              A BH the mass of the sun will take 1.16e67 years to evaporate.

              But that's at room temperature, right?

    • They do (well we think they do, it hasn't been observed experimentally), but decent sized black holes evaporate slower than they increase in size from absorbing the cosmic microwave background (much much much slower, for black holes this size). The question here is if two black holes after a merger follow this area law, independently of evaporation. It's a reasonable question to ask, because the black holes together have lower mass than they do separately (with much of the extra mass going into gravitationa

    • The rate of evaporation by Hawking Radiation is very slow. It would not overcome the accumulation of matter when there is still matter to accumulate. I believe Hawking Radiation could cause microscopic black holes to evaporate, but nobody has ever observed a microscopic black hole. It is not certain whether such entities exist. I am not sure how you would detect microscopic black holes.

  • by fermion ( 181285 ) on Saturday October 09, 2021 @01:10PM (#61875297) Homepage Journal
    There are many people who have done work to earn the Nobel prize. No one can be cheated out the prize because no one inherently deserves it. Such thinking is simplistic, reducing the prize to an irrelevant soccer game, where on team is cheated by a bad call by officials. Rosalind Franklin also died, before she could get a prize, but she was also written out of history.
    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by nospam007 ( 722110 ) *

      "There are many people who have done work to earn the Nobel prize. No one can be cheated out the prize because no one inherently deserves it"

      Exactly, Stephen would have spent everything on blow and chicks anyway.

    • What do you mean no one inherently deserves it? In any field, there are people who are better than others in it. Are you saying there is no fastest 100 meter sprinter in the world? If superiority is true of athletics, why not intellect?

      • by nagora ( 177841 )

        What do you mean no one inherently deserves it? In any field, there are people who are better than others in it. Are you saying there is no fastest 100 meter sprinter in the world? If superiority is true of athletics, why not intellect?

        He's just pissed off that he's never going to win.

      • What do you mean no one inherently deserves it? In any field, there are people who are better than others in it. Are you saying there is no fastest 100 meter sprinter in the world? If superiority is true of athletics, why not intellect?

        Intellect is not quantifiable though. And it goes much deeper than that.

        There is a small skirmish going on about Rosalind Franklin, with people claiming she was cheated out of a Nobel prize - wait for it - because she possessed a vagina.

        So while the hundred yard dash winner might be easily measurable, other factors come into play in science today. Not the least is agitprops for Nobel prizes for new qualifications, like gender or sex, but even the standard old school ones like professional jealousy, p

        • by tlhIngan ( 30335 )

          There is a small skirmish going on about Rosalind Franklin, with people claiming she was cheated out of a Nobel prize - wait for it - because she possessed a vagina.

          So while the hundred yard dash winner might be easily measurable, other factors come into play in science today. Not the least is agitprops for Nobel prizes for new qualifications, like gender or sex, but even the standard old school ones like professional jealousy, politics, or just thinking someone else deserved it more.

          Not unusual actually.

          • Not unusual actually. Women scientists were not treated as scientists - science was not considered a ladies profession. That's why Curie was a bit unusual. But there was huge gender discrimination back then so yes, having a vagina would be an instant disqualification because it went against the custom of women can't be scientists.

            We live in a funny age, where women are obtaining degrees at a 2:1 ratio, obtaining jobs at the top of the ladder, and yet - they are still victims.

            There is a present day example of the patriarchy discriminating against women I'll share. Hedy Lamarr of Hollywood fame, is being given credit for the Invention of Spread spectrum technology. She was indeed a brilliant lady. But the patriarchy kept her down, as the patriarchy does. She was posthumously awarded a spot in the inventors hall of fame, with a sad

  • by shess ( 31691 ) on Saturday October 09, 2021 @01:26PM (#61875341) Homepage

    Looking at the dude's life, one has to suspect that he's not going to give much of a fuck if some committee somewhere has an appropriate level of respect for his work. I mean, he was Stephen Fucking Hawking. How many actual living Nobel Prize winners can your average person name?

    • By that standard, the most amazing person ever must be Oprah Winfrey.

    • Seconded, I can name quite a few scientists, and can not tell who of those got the Nobel prize. It's just a stupid badge anyway. What are we? Thirteen?

      • I can name quite a few scientists, and can not tell who of those got the Nobel prize.

        You can't name Einstein?

        Seriously, you should know that Newton also got a Nobel prize (in 2134 for time travel).

    • by fazig ( 2909523 )
      As far as name recognition goes, it's probably the first name that comes to the mind of most people after Albert Einstein.

      Wide parts of the media adored Hawking and included him in various shows as himself, or as an animated character, or played by an actor, making him part of popular culture for generations X,Y, and Z at least.
      His name and contributions won't be forgotten so quickly.
    • by epine ( 68316 )

      How many actual living Nobel Prize winners can your average person name?

      That's not a fair criteria. Few are awarded the prize these days until old enough to drop like flies.

      Prizes awarded since my own birth is another story.

      Reminds me of a funny story.

      Deuce Bigalo: European Gigalo

      Deuce star Rob Schneider retaliated by attacking ex-Los Angeles Times columnist Patrick Goldstein in full-page ads:

      "Maybe you didn't win a Pulitzer Prize because they haven't invented a category for Best Third-Rate, Unfunny Pompou

  • by Chris Mattern ( 191822 ) on Saturday October 09, 2021 @01:29PM (#61875351)

    Y'know, the Nobel is supposed to be awarded for work the recipient did in the previous year. Yeah, most of the time these days, it's not, but that's how it's supposed to work.

    • Y'know, the Nobel is supposed to be awarded for work the recipient did in the previous year. Yeah, most of the time these days, it's not, but that's how it's supposed to work.

      It was tried. But it lead to awards for work whch proved to be deeply flawed or inconsequential, It takes time to recognize the truly foundational - transformative - works in the arts anc sciences.

  • by WierdUncle ( 6807634 ) on Saturday October 09, 2021 @04:14PM (#61875817)

    Doctors expected Stephen Hawking to die within a few years at best, after the diagnosis of motor neuron disease in his twenties. I am not sure why Dr Hawking lasted so long, whereas other motor neuron disease patients do just die, as expected.

    I am speculating on the mind over matter thing here, but I suspect that Dr Hawking had two things going for him: an ability to live happily inside his own head, and a particularly strong will that things needed to be done, so dying was not an option. The fact that the things that needed to be done were all thinking meant that the severe physical disability caused by the disease did not hinder the work.

    Prizes are nice, but the real reward is people recognising the value of your work, by referring to it, and developing it. I presume Dr Hawking was adequately rewarded in that respect, so I hope he died a happy man.

    • Well said! :) And he's been an inspiration to generations of future scientists & instilled greater respect & fondness for science. He made science cool again.
  • Black hole mergers actually result in a single smaller mass black hole, it has now been measured experimentally. When the two black holes merge, the massive amounts of gravitational energy need to come from somewhere and a significant fraction of the total mass of both black holes (~5%) radiates away as gravitational waves. Since this mass can be several sun masses worth, and the vast majority of the energy is released in the final second or two with the last few milliseconds releasing the most, this make
  • I'm not sure if death cheated Stephen Hawking out of a Nobel prize, but I'm damn sure that sexism and racism have cheated dozens of women and Black people out of a Nobel prize.

  • Nobel prizes are political, awarded by people, based on intramural politics in each field. It's not some innate feature of nature.

  • All he needed to do is come up with a powerpoint presentation. It could be total BS. Worked for Al Gore. He cheated a woman that really deserved it from getting it. He should return his prize. Clearly he didn't deserve it. So should Barack Obama. He didn't even have a powerpoint presentation. He did nothing, literally.

    In a way I think it's better he didn't get one. The organization is clearly corrupt leftists. He was a real scientists up there with Newton and Einstein.

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