COVID-19 Vaccines May Trigger Superimmunity In People Who Had SARS Long Ago (sciencemag.org) 133
sciencehabit shares a report from Science Magazine: Almost 20 years before SARS-CoV-2, a related and even more lethal coronavirus sowed panic, killing nearly 10% of the 8000 people who became infected. But the 2003 outbreak of severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) may have left some survivors with a gift. Former SARS patients who have been vaccinated against COVID-19 appear able to fend off all variants of SARS-CoV-2 in circulation, as well as ones that may soon emerge, a new study suggests. Their formidable antibodies may even protect against coronaviruses in other species that have yet to make the jump into humans -- and may hold clues to how to make a so-called pancoronavirus vaccine that could forestall future outbreaks.
A team led by emerging disease specialist Linfa Wang from Duke-NUS Medical School in Singapore identified eight SARS survivors who recently received two shots of a messenger RNA COVID-19 vaccine. In the test tube, antibodies sieved from their blood potently "neutralized" an early strain of SARS-CoV-2 as well as SARS-CoV, the virus that caused SARS, Wang and colleagues report today in The New England Journal of Medicine. The team further found these neutralizing antibodies worked well against the Alpha, Beta, and Delta variants of SARS-CoV-2 and stymied five related coronaviruses found in bats and pangolins that potentially could infect humans.
A team led by emerging disease specialist Linfa Wang from Duke-NUS Medical School in Singapore identified eight SARS survivors who recently received two shots of a messenger RNA COVID-19 vaccine. In the test tube, antibodies sieved from their blood potently "neutralized" an early strain of SARS-CoV-2 as well as SARS-CoV, the virus that caused SARS, Wang and colleagues report today in The New England Journal of Medicine. The team further found these neutralizing antibodies worked well against the Alpha, Beta, and Delta variants of SARS-CoV-2 and stymied five related coronaviruses found in bats and pangolins that potentially could infect humans.
How is this pertinent? (Score:1, Interesting)
Also, since it appears that no testing was done prior to the Covid-19 vaccination, we really have no way of knowing whether or not the Covid-19 vaccination played any part in the development of super antibodies.
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What this shows, is confirmation that such a response is possible, which means that it might be possible to develop a vaccine that stops all of those viruses and potential future similar ones.
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I'd love to know if this is true. I wonder if in the future we could have vaccines on standby that would combat most possible future plagues by creating in advance vaccines that target the common parts of previous families of dangerous viruses.
How fast can the vaccine companies make a new vaccine that targets common pa
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> I'd love to know if this is true. I wonder if in the future we could have vaccines on standby that would combat most possible future plagues by creating in advance vaccines that target the common parts of previous families of dangerous viruses.
It's an interesting thing to think about.
Depending on the source, it took either one day or two days to make the COVID-19 vaccine. It's the testing that takes a long time.
So a question would be if we would be able to effectively test a broad-spectrum vaccine to g
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The Delta variant came from India where almost nobody is vaccinated. The vaccines are enough to stop Alpha, but not enough to stop Delta, without about 90% vaccination rates. It's just more contagious. So sure, Alpha is gone, but that doesn't mean the vaccine created Delta. It's just the main variant left. Without the vaccines we would have both variants, but Delta would still become the dominant one because it's reproductive rate is higher.
This is what will continue happening until everybody has been vaccinated and not piecemeal, vaccinated en masse within the shortest possible time. If the rich countries keep clinging to vaccine nationalism and keep doing nothing about poorer countries, the rich countries will be playing COVID variant whack-a-mole for the foreseeable future. It is in the selfish (as in Any Rand über selfish) interest of the rich countries to vaccinate everybody at their own expense as soon as possible. Then there is the
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The big vaccine manufacturers cannot make doses fast enough to vaccinate the whole world before it mutates too far and a new vaccine becomes necessary. HOWEVER, we can open-source the information necessary to make the vaccines we have already developed, such that instead of Moderna being the only source of their vaccine, any company with the equipment and know-how can make their own outside of the US for their ow
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1. We could have paid a company to develop the vaccine for a flat fee.
2. We could pay a lot of money to buy the IP and open source it.
3. We could write a new law taking away patent protections under global pandemic situations (if we wrote it before they developed the vaccine we might see the chilling effect you are expecting, but if we do it after the fact there is fuck all they can do about it).
4. We could combine the threat of number 3 to keep the price of number 2 from becoming too ridi
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I see you have not heard of the US Constitution, or the 5th Amendment thereof, which states "...nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation"
1. We could have paid a company to develop the vaccine for a flat fee.
The vaccines were in development for decades. When should we have paid this 'flat fee'?
2. We could pay a lot of money to buy the IP and open source it.
Who is 'we', the US? Why should the US fund vaccines for the whole world? And the patents are not specific to this disease, they are about mRNA vaccines in general. So you want the US to fund all future mRNA vaccines, no matter what the disease, f
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The vaccines were in development for decades. When should we have paid this 'flat fee'?
Explain to me how a vaccine was in development for decades when the virus it is taylor made to defend against didn't exist until late 2019? I get that they spent decades building a pipeline they used to develop this specific vaccine, but this specific vaccine went from paper to mass production in a little more than 1 year. So to answer your question, we could have negotiated this lump sum roughly 18 months ago, and once it reached provisional FDA approval, we could have published a "How To" and disseminated
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Furthermore, there is a lot of evidence that patents can, in certain circumstances, have the opposite of the intended effect of promoting "...the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing fo
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There are 7 patents covering the COVID19 vaccine https://www.modernatx.com/pate... [modernatx.com]. 4 of them were filed between Jan 2018 and Oct 2019. And those 4 are arguably the most valuable, as they apply to far more than just COVID vaccines. So your stupid 'flat fee 18 months ago' is worthless.
Your Constitutional arguments are inane. The prohibition against taking private property for public use is part of the Constitution, and the only way 'around' it is by amending the Constitution. And if you think 2/3 of the
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There is nothing intrinsic about an idea on paper. The paper and ink are property regardless of what the government says. Ideas written down on paper are only en
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I see you have not heard of Eminent Domain.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
Eminent domain ... is the power of a state, provincial, or national government to take private property for public use.
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If you don't negotiate the royalties up front, then the rights holder gets to set pretty much whatever price they want when they finally decide to assert those rights in court. It is the literal equivalent of handing Moderna a Blank Check. The only real difference is that it is post-dated for 1 day after Moderna decides that the pan
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Most drug development is financed by the government, and a large portion of vaccine development funding comes from the government and the Bill & Melinda Gates foundation. Vaccine R&D was almost non-existent in the 1980s, since it's not a very profitable field of research and payback times are long. It wasn't until the Gates Foundation started pouring money into it in the 1990s that industry executives started showing renewed interest.
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Moderna [modernatx.com] says
"Beyond Moderna’s vaccine, there are other COVID-19 vaccines in development that may use Moderna-patented technologies. We feel a special obligation under the current circumstances to use our resources to bring this pandemic to an end as quickly as possible. Accordingly, while the pandemic continues, Moderna will not enforce our COVID-19 related patents against those making vaccines intended to combat the pandemic. Further, to eliminate any perceived IP barriers to vaccine development duri
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They have not, as it might appear at first glance, agreed to NEVER enforce the relevant patents, but have only said that they will not enforce them at the moment. We get to the far side of this, and any company that has utilized those patents is libel to be hit with substantial licensing fees retroactively. And since, under those circumstances, the infringement was without up-front negotiations, Moderna will be free to set whatever prices they want.
Furthermore, the seco
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Well not "save the world" in that way. But our attitudes [motherjones.com] do have an impact on the rest of the world.
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My wife is from Peru, where it's tearing the guts out of the country. She's had 10 relatives and over a dozen people from the neighborhood where she grew up die of it so far.
Has anyone died of the vaccine, beyond the first two people who had blood clots from the J&J one? I didn't know either of them.
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Then there is the issue of the anti-vaxxer, Q-anon wingnut half of the US population but they can be dealt with by allowing nobody from the USA entry into your country that does not have a valid vaccine passport.
Only 36% of African Americans are vaccinated. Only 41% of Latino Americans are vaccinated. Are you suggesting they are Q-anon supporters? Why do you want to deny them entry? You sound racist, Freischutz. Probably German?
I'd deny anybody entry who is not vaccinated I really don't care about their ethnicity, kind of like viruses don't have politics and like they care about your little MAGA snowflake feelings being hurt. Now go back to your political fever swamp and get some new talking points.
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Also without the vaccines, Delta is much more contagious and lethal.
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Are you sure about that? The Delta variant is more contagious, yes, but the mortality rate is far lower. There's currently over 25,000 new cases of Delta recorded daily in UK, but the number of deaths is nowhere near the Alpha variant tally for the same amount of cases. True, some of that can be attributed to better and swifter treatment (plus the first and second waves whittled down the more vulnerable somewhat, thanks Matt Hancock), but it's mainly because it doesn't kill as much.
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That's because (1) the must susceptible have already died, (2) the older population still living who are most susceptible to dying aren't as stupid. Many got the vaccine thus lowering the body count ratio. However, the younger population who refuse to get the vaccine are serving as a base/petri dish for the virus, and allowing subsequent mutations that may become worse due to the old vaccines not longer work as well. Thus allowing a never ending cycle of continual need for vaccine booster shots for the latest mutation.
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In the UK we have 90% of adult population vaccinated but the Delta variant infections are still on the rise even though most people continue to be responsible and wear masks.
I wonder how vaccines that contain multiple strains would work or if that could even backfire and be dangerous / not be useful.
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Because there's a very strong inverse relationship between MMR Titers and COVID-19 symptoms. Highly likely this is the reason children have come out physically unscathed by this pandemic.
https://journals.asm.org/doi/1... [asm.org]
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It could be that these kids are the ones with anti-vaxx parents, maybe they haven't had the MMR jab.
The UK numbers looks a lot different:
https://www.bbc.com/news/healt... [bbc.com]
I don't think UK children are much healthier than US children, higher MMR vaccination could be the difference.
If parents are anti-covid-vaxx then there's a high chance that they are anti-MMR jab too.
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As far as I'm aware hospital rates are still extremely low for children here in the UK (source Dr John Campbell).
Obv' I can't say for sure but I'd put money on it that the MMR jab vaccination rate is the reason for the big difference between the UK and the US. It's an educated guess given that the study showed definite protective benefit of the MMR jab against COVID. Hopefully someone will do further studies on this but I'm not holding my breath.
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Measles virus has a spike protein that is known to affect blood coagulation
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Looks like a medical doctor to me:
https://www.youtube.com/channe... [youtube.com]
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As far as I'm aware hospital rates are still extremely low for children here in the UK
Indeed they are. For the ages of 0-14 hospital admission rates due to Covid-19 are negligible (unless it happens to be you or your child!). The largest proportion of hospital admissions right now are the 45-54 age group, followed by the 75-84 age group. (Source: Week 33 Report. Graph on pg. 50) [www.gov.uk]
As to your comment above that "most people continue to be responsible and wear masks.", while that may be 'generally' true, there are enough exceptions (e.g. football matches, pubbing & clubbing, etc.) that make m
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And? He has extensive medical experience, he's especially good at medical research.
If he was a doctor of archaeology then you might have a point, but he's not.
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And? He has extensive medical experience,
I noted he wasn't a medical doctor. Having medical experience doesn't make you one. I have friends who have medical experience, research, and PhDs. They aren't medical doctors either and would not claim to be such.
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J&J is not a traditional dead-virus based vaccine by any measure. It is a viral vector vaccine that uses an adenovirus to carry genetic information to tell the body to create the spike proteins.
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AstraZeneca is the majority vaccine AFAIK but it looks like we started with Pfizer/BioNTech. Don't quote me though, it's hard to find the actual numbers.
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What is the predominant form of vaccine used in the UK?
Predominantly the Oxford/AZ jab
We started vaccinating NHS staff and the (very) elderly with the Pfizer/BioNtech in the tail end of last year, then mostly switched to the Oxford jab for the bulk of the adult population. Because of concerns about blood clots the regulator then recommended that the mRNA vaccines (both Pfizer & Moderna) be used in younger adults and children - although we still have no firm intention to vaccinate children under 16 (iirc, though discussions are ongoing about going as far as
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It doesn't matter if we get to 90%, the variants have changed enough to prevent herd immunity from happening, Delta is spreading regardless of vaccination. That's not to say we shouldn't get vaccinated for the protective benefits, we should.
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The vaccines are enough to stop Alpha, but not enough to stop Delta,
FYI "Alpha" refers to the UK variant B.1.1.7, not the original wild type.
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The generic SIR model used to calculate herd immunity never worked well for COVID-19, because the model assumes that people in the R ("Recovered") group could not transmit the virus.
Early reports of *reinfections* could reasonably have been explained away as testing errors, but one of the thing that's since become clear is that this virus has the ability to evade and delay the initial "innate" immune response. This not only makes newly infected people infectious before they show any symptoms, it also means
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At this point, India has vaccinated more people than the US. Still low in terms of population % but significantly more than "almost nobody" ... that you pulled out of your ass.
https://www.downtoearth.org.in... [downtoearth.org.in]
https://www.reuters.com/world/... [reuters.com]
Montagnier committed scientific suicide long ago (Score:2)
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Not just the media, fellow scientists too.
And they are ad hominem attacks because the man really is the problem. His theories do not hold up to scrutiny and it should have been the end of the story. The problem is that Montagnier is using his status as a Nobel Prize winner to continue spreading that bullshit.
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These are ad hominem attacks by scums from medias; One of the most scientific illiterate profession!
To be fair, "ad hominem attacks" are an understandable reaction to "appeal to authority" arguments.
If I were a conceptual immune system, I would recognize the constant repeating of "Nobel Peace Prize Laureate" and "Prof" as a probable spike-protein of information that should be approached skeptically.
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Adding to the other comment, these antibodies will also make for excellent cloning material as well. A wide ranging antibody serum will be extremely handy in intensive care units.
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Also, since it appears that no testing was done prior to the Covid-19 vaccination, we really have no way of knowing whether or not the Covid-19 vaccination played any part in the development of super antibodies.
Not true, at least not exactly. From the serum panels reported on the study:
Five serum panels were included in this study. The SARS-CoV-1–patient panel consisted of serum specimens obtained from 10 SARS-CoV-1 infection survivors in Singapore at different time points (2012 and 2020) before the vaccination program started in January 2021. The SARS-CoV-2–patient panel consisted of 10 serum specimens obtained from patients with SARS-CoV-2 infection during 2020 as part of a national longitudinal study. The healthy–vaccinated panel consisted of 10 serum specimens obtained at day 14 after the second dose of the BNT162b2 mRNA vaccine, which is equivalent to 35 days after the first dose. The SARS-CoV-2–vaccinated panel consisted of 10 serum specimens obtained from Covid-19 survivors who had received two doses of BNT162b2 vaccine. The SARS-CoV-1–vaccinated panel consisted of 8 serum specimens obtained from SARS-CoV-1 infection survivors 21 to 62 days after the first BNT162b2 vaccination; 4 of the 8 specimens were obtained from patients whose serum was in the SARS-CoV-1–patient panel.
Pay attention to the very first serum panel: "The SARS-CoV-1–patient panel consisted of serum specimens obtained from 10 SARS-CoV-1 infection survivors in Singapore at different time points (2012 and 2020) BEFORE the vaccination program started in January 2021." and now to the last one: "4 of the 8 specimens [regarding the SARS-CoV-1–vaccinated serum panel] were obtained from patients whose serum was in the SARS-CoV-1–patient panel.". So they did indeed tested the before and after: at least 4 of the 8 serums used, that confirmed the results, had been tested before and after inoculation with the SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccine. Can other factors be at play as well? Of course, but there's some tests done and control groups in place.
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This is called "Science". You are obviously not conversant with how that thing works. Here is a hint: You observe. You find things. You form theories. You firm up or invalidate these theories. You understand things better. You develop things that are useful. This is in an earlier stage of this process and, yes, it is very pertinent. It is just not a final result.
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Unlikely. Antibodies to SARS viruses develop due to exposure to those viruses or components of those viruses. What "many other causes" can generate antibodies to a specific type of virus?
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The article doesn't say. Did they study SARS survivors that had not been vaccinated to see how affective their antibodies were as well?
This is also a case of natural selection, to some extent. If a person's natural immune system is weak, there is a much greater chance of them dying from the disease. The higher the mortality rate of the disease, the more efficient it is at killing those with weaker immune systems. It's like forcing a group of people to try and climb a mountain, and then noting that for s
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The paper says they had 8 specimens collected from SARS survivors in 2012 and 2020. 4 of those people also had vaccinations later.
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No, you need to be bitten by a radioactive spider for that.
Can I get one of these without having to go to Australia?
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There should be plenty in Nevada and near White Sands NM.
I've already had SARS-Cov-2 (Score:2)
Are Variants Being Engineered By... (Score:1)
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What's in it for us?
Do we have to rub against a camel?
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I wonder how rich they can get, "working"/"donating" to the pharmas.
Not as much as the rich became richer when Trump fired the US pandemic response team and converted their funding into tax breaks back in 2018.
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You are, of course, referring to the Directorate of Global Health Security and Biodefense [usatoday.com]. That was part of the National Security Council, just 18 months old when it was reorganized and it's members mostly shuffled to other parts of the NSC. Obama created it after Donald Trump was elected, and its role was to help coordinate between different Cabinet-level departments on (like its name says) national and global security issues, as part of an overall bloating of the NSC.
US pandemic response is the responsi
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We can "thank" them for approving only the CDC test for COVID-19, and sending out horribly broken tests, respectively. Both of those were due to career employees and bureaucrats, not political appointees.
The FDA has approved several PCR tests. https://www.cdc.gov/coronaviru... [cdc.gov]
CDC developed and distributed the CDC 2019-nCoV Real-time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel to fill a gap at a time when there were no other FDA-cleared or authorized COVID-19 diagnostics. Since CDC’s first test was developed, many commercially available options for SARS-CoV-2 testing have been authorized.
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It took them (far too many) months to approve any test except the CDC's contaminated test. That meant we could hardly test anybody at the start of the pandemic.
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If you think the first community transmission on the US was at the end of February 2020, I have a bridge to sell you.
By the time the FDA approved those commercial tests (or at least by the following Monday), people had already written articles about how the FDA had botched the rollout of tests: https://www.newyorker.com/news... [newyorker.com]
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Yes, the FDA slowed things down for months. By late January, China had five commercially available tests available and in use: https://www.sciencemag.org/new... [sciencemag.org]
The CDC test was broken, was produced in quantities orders of magnitude too small to meet even reasonable levels of demand, and at first only the CDC was allowed to test any samples.
Those two agencies did an incredible amount to exacerbate the US part of the pandemic. If we had enough tests in February, we wouldn't have had politicians in March say
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By late January, China had five commercially available tests available and in use
https://www.wired.com/story/fda-approves-the-first-commercial-coronavirus-tests-in-the-us/
Both tests received approval on Friday, less than 24 hours after the companies submitted their applications to the FDA.
The FDA can't approve a test that has not been submitted for approval. The first USA test was not available for submission to the approval process before 28th January 2020. It was approved on 4th February. This was the CDC test.
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...career employees and bureaucrats, not political appointees.
When asked to choose between career CDC employees and bureaucrats on the one hand and a bunch of brainless political appointees on the other hand, political monkeys who tell me bull crap about treating COVID with hydroxychloroquine, ivermecthin, and by drinking bleach, I'll happily go with the career CDC employees and bureaucrats.
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The only people who mentioned drinking bleach were Democrats. Trump was talking about a medical disinfectant developed by Cedar-Sinai. Thereâ(TM)s news and then there is propaganda. You may want to stop imbibing the latter.
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Trump was talking about a medical disinfectant developed by Cedar-Sinai.
Please provide details.
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Trump didnâ(TM)t âoefire the US pandemic response team.â He simply restructured the NSC because it was bloated by Obama. Even Obamaâ(TM)s own administration said there were too many people in the organization. Youâ(TM)re just parroting back leftist propaganda.
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Except that the repercussions from the previous dummy continue to screw the U.S. Case in point: politicizing masks. What kind of moron politicizes a simple device that will keep his voters voting and not pushing up daisies?
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Asscrats politicized masks. Feel free to go watch Fauciâ(TM)s endless flip-flopping on the subject and all the live-mic examples of Democrats putting masks on for political theater and then taking them back off when they thought the cameras werenâ(TM)t rolling as proof.
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Your link only talks about the "recommendation" to wear a mask, not masks themselves.
There are several links here about the efficacy of masks (tl;dr: they work):
https://www.cdc.gov/coronaviru... [cdc.gov]
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That's an important point.
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Flip the question around.
It's your party that politicized masks. What kind of moron who wants people to wear masks, all but declares that they are the badge of their own political tribe?
But the unflipped version actually happened. When did your flipped version happen?
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Samples of blood from Keith Richards.
Nothing can kill him....not only would it likely cure Covid, but could impart immortality to all of us.
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This is simply not true.
As soon as antigen-presenting cells start presenting an antigen - whether from a vaccine or "natural" infection - an evolutionary process starts in the body. T and B cells are selected based on how well they bind with the antigen while not binding with healthy cells. Some of these T and B cells will become long-lived "memory" cells; repeat exposure encourages a stronger memory response. Exposure also triggers a surge of antibodies. This antibody surge weakens - but does not disappear - over time. However the memory T and B cells remain, ready to be triggered back to activity should the antigen present itself again. In the mean time, the evolutionary process continues, with ever more diversified possibilities for targeting similar antigens (when dealing with people from SARS infection in 2003, that's a long time).
The net result of this all is that if a second exposure happens in a relatively short period of time, it's immediately exposed to high antibody levels and faces heavy neutralization pressure. Over time, the immediate neutralization pressure declines - and in the case of some diseases, including SARS-CoV-2, this decline proves enough to sometimes allow infection - but the body still has the memory of how to mount a defense, and kicks it into gear, decreasing the length an severity of infection. The new exposure to the antigen triggers an even stronger antibody response than before, and even more memory cell storage, in addition to having the advantage of more diversified B and T cell lines to build off of.
The same thing happens with further vaccination - again, your body doesn't know or care why the antigen is there, only that it's there. A third shot boosts antibody levels 5-10x, and again, triggers a stronger memory response built off of the further diversified B and T cell lines that are prepared to react to a more diversified range of antigens.
It's quite possible, if not likely, that a single boost may be enough, barring a radical change in the virus, for lasting protection. Or not. Again, we don't know how the future will fare. The biggest problem thusfar has been Delta, which was a vastly worse development relative to any other variant before or since (including Delta Plus and Lambda, both of which it's been handily outcompeting). It simultaneously reduced neutralization (any virus can do this, though it often comes at a general fitness cost) and became vastly better at reproducing in the human body (more neutralization required), and became vastly more contagious. The latter two generally only apply to viruses that have newly jumped into humans and are still adapting to our bodies. Can we get another Delta-scale leap forward? Or has the virus exhausted the "easy" ways to get better at infecting humans? Nobody has the answer to this right now. And this, more than anything else, will determine in the longer term what sort of booster schedule may or may not be required. All we can say now is: Delta means that vaccination in general is less effective, and combined with time (lower circulating antibody levels, though residual memory B- and T cells), it makes breakthrough infections significantly more common.
I think people far too readily jump to flu analogies, but the problem with influenza is that it's actually a vast range of different viruses (making up four separate genuses - and not counting influenza-like diseases caused by non-influenzaviruses!). It makes targeting it with annual flu shots extremely difficult, which - combined with their typically more primitive technology - yields only 40-60% efficacy, and difficulty dealing with the adaptive change in such a huge range of different pathogens.
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What are you doing on a News Site supposed to be about Science and Technology. If you are too stupid to understand science
Unless your Doctor has a good medical reason to not take the Vaccine, you should take it.
I have seen people with Cancer, other issues with their immunity, very ill and also healthy people, take the vaccine with only minor short term side effects.
If you are making a decision to not get vaccinated, while you doctor doesn't have any medical objections to you getting it. It is just flat o
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The only thing you get, with these "vaccines", is a 6 months protection against the last year variant. In other words, these vaccines are not even targeting the today spike protein.
Because I'm about to do a lot of traveling, I just had my Moderna-enhanced antibody levels checked after six months, and they remaiin strong.
Go ahead and run the clock out on your worthless little life hiding under the bed while the rest of us cautiously get back to normal.
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I wonder how rich they can get, "working"/"donating" to the pharmas.
What was supposed to be trollish about that FP? Requoting for visibility.
However I came looking for the Nietzsche jokes. "What does not kill me makes me stronger."
(But mostly false. Lots of trauma and negative events are nonfatal but can result in permanent impairments of various types.)
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