Record-Crushing Heat Wave Nears Peak in Pacific Northwest (washingtonpost.com) 184
The most severe heat wave in the history of the Pacific Northwest is nearing its climax. The National Weather Service had predicted it would be "historic, dangerous, prolonged and unprecedented," and it is living up to its billing as it rewrites the record books. From a report: On Sunday, Portland, Ore., soared to its highest temperature in more than 80 years of record-keeping: 112 degrees. This new mark occurred just one day after hitting 108, which had broken the previous all-time record of 107. Seattle surged to 104 degrees Sunday, surpassing the old record of 103. The extraordinary heat swelled north of the international border as Canada saw its highest temperature recorded Sunday afternoon, when Lytton in British Columbia surged to 116 degrees. For perspective, that is just 1 degree from the all-time record in Las Vegas. While temperatures may have peaked Sunday afternoon in a few places, many were expected to turn even hotter on Monday or Tuesday, breaking all-time records (a number of which were initially broken Saturday and/or Sunday).
Heat...strokes. (Score:3)
Time to break out all the Stirling engines. [wikipedia.org]
Re:Heat...strokes. (Score:5, Informative)
You need a temperature gradient. It doesn't work if it's hot all around.
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There was a story here a couple of years ago about pumping water from the ocean for this purpose. Pipes went down offshore until depth of a few hundred feet, and the (very cold) water was used to generate electricity, along with fresh water for drinking (the latter via condensation off the pipes).
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Given this heat? Run it on water.
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You don't believe that mRNA vaccines exist? You're a special kind of stupid aren't you?
Living in the Portland, Oregon area... (Score:3, Interesting)
I live in the Portland, Oregon area and the heat is well I'd say the usual crazy Oregon weather, but it is already in the 90's at 9am.
I often joke in my private conspiracy theory that scientists are playing with the weather machine up on the ISS. Now they've kept the usual cool wind, breeze from the Pacific Ocean from coming inland.
I just worry that the idiots at city hall will not think to set up a cooling station or shelter and people will die from this baking heat.
JoshK.
Re:Living in the Portland, Oregon area... (Score:4, Informative)
I'm on the south coast of BC, a bit inland, and the temperature yesterday was nearly 106 degrees. I've lived here most of my life and I don't think I've experienced anything like this. If the forecast for today turns out to be correct, we'll be up to 109F. That's just crazy hot, and we're not even in July yet. When the wind blows, it actually makes it worse. I've pretty much put my morning runs on hold, because even at 5:30am, it's warm enough that my body can't properly dissipate heat if I do anything more intense than a fast stride.
I can only hope that this is a blip, and we are set to drop by end of the week to between 78-80F. What this means for our water supply and for the wildfires this year I can only imagine. It would pretty much be a perfect storm if we had sustained high temperatures and the damned forest caught on fire.
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I'm converting units, for fuck's sake, since most of the posters are American.
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For this alone, I thank you with deepest respect. I can't tell you how much I *loathe* the superiority complexes of those who can only think in units of 10. I live just a few miles from the Canadian border (NY), so I work in both systems.... but have a strong preference for Imperial and all it's rich history.
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I was about six or seven when Canada went over to the metric system. Oddly, I still think of miles when thinking in distances. Intellectually, I know far a kilometer is, but I always go back to using miles. 10km is just hard for me to imagine, whereas 6 miles is trivial.
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Canada's measurements are wonderful.
My thermometer from the pharmacy is in F, but the one in the hospital is in C, my stove is in F, my weather is in C. Water boils at 100c, but I bake my cookies at 325F.
My height is in imperial (ft/in), my weight is in imperial (lbs), but my food is metric (g or kg) and my liquid volumes are metric (ml). We don't use centiliter like the europeans though. 500ml bottle in Canada vs a 50cl bottle in EU.
Construction material is generally in imperial, but distances are generall
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You're Canadian?
Yes.
So you're bilingual?
Absolutely. Je parle métrique and imperial.
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If you actually lived in the south coast of BC, you would not use F as a temperature, you would use C, and it is not 106 C outside.
I'm Canadian, and I would have done exactly the same thing. Most readers on this site have no clue what 42c represents.
They'll immediately demand F - That's F for FREEDOM of course.
Re:Living in the Portland, Oregon area... (Score:5, Informative)
I just worry that the idiots at city hall will not think to set up a cooling station or shelter and people will die from this baking heat.
Portland cooling shelters are at Oregon Convention Center (777 N.E. Martin Luther King, Jr. Blvd); the Arbor Lodge Shelter (1952 N. Lombard St.); and Sunrise Center (18901 E. Burnside St.). People who need help arranging transportation to a cooling center can call 2-1-1.
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I just worry that the idiots at city hall will not think to set up a cooling station or shelter and people will die from this baking heat.
Portland cooling shelters are at Oregon Convention Center (777 N.E. Martin Luther King, Jr. Blvd); the Arbor Lodge Shelter (1952 N. Lombard St.); and Sunrise Center (18901 E. Burnside St.). People who need help arranging transportation to a cooling center can call 2-1-1.
Thank-you for the information, I stand corrected about my ignorance of cooling shelters in Portland.
JoshK.
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I had to give up on watching the wingnut web sites, it was just ruining my day. I'm grateful that there are some people willing to go through that torture and pass it on, but don't let it depress you too much.
No AC (Score:5, Insightful)
There are two dangerous aspects of this for people in the PNW/Western Canada. Many people here do not have air conditioning because it "never" gets anywhere close to this temperature. There isn't a fan or AC unit for sale anywhere and people are looking for anywhere they can go to cool off. Even some commercial spaces have no AC (mine doesn't).
The second risk is of course the danger of forest fires. This time of year is the beginning of the dry season in this part of the world and it is starting out super hot and dry. Unlike other parts of the world that typically have a thunderstorm roll in in the afternoon evening after a hot day, here it is just hot. Thunderstorms are very rare. There is no rain in the forecast for the next two weeks. Unless something changes the next problem will be everything on fire.
Re:No AC (Score:5, Interesting)
Shade, fluids, keep your activity to a minimum. 41C (hell 45C) was just normal for us growing up in Australia, never had AC in our house either. Be smart, it's not a good time to go out in the sun and play sport and if you do feel nauseous go have a cool shower (not a cold shower, nausea is a sign of heatstroke you don't want to shock your body).
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What was the humidity like? Humidex here is supposed to be 49C and we're just not climatized. Shit they were talking about the dog deaths from heatstroke, in homes, probably glass highrises.
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What was the humidity like?
Considering I lived in the tropics and on days with 40C+ we typically were greeted with a thunderstorm at lunchtime, close to 100%.
Shit they were talking about the dog deaths from heatstroke
Yep that happens. My point was not that this is dangerous, my point is that use your head and you'll be fine. You don't need an AC to survive this, and neither does your dog. Shade, fluids, reduce activity, for the love of fucking god do not lock your dog in any room and especially not a car (not even for a second*)
We actually put a rock through some guy's car window when I was
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Luckily I no longer have a dog as this might have killed her with the fur coat my last one had. Anyways, a lot of it is not being used to this. 30C is usually as hot as it gets and I've had minor heat stroke from that. At least later in the week when it drops down to 30 odd, it is going to seem cool
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Yes absolutely. Unlike the people in the Pacific North West I think the world ends when temperatures dip below 0C. White stuff falls from the sky. :-D Seriously though, I moved to West Europe. The wife is a teacher. Here when temperatures get above 30C for more than 2 days the country switches to "tropical roster" and closes the schools. To us that is utter madness, we'd have had no school at all half the year growing up. For the locals here, it's like the end of days.
There's a lot to be said for not being
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Humidity is super low when it gets this hot in the Pacific Northwest. I think it's somewhere in the 25% range.
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Still seems high compared to when I lived in the interior. The local weather does say 25%.
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If there are no thunder then there probably isn't going to be much lightning (if you aren't getting thunder you also aren't getting lightning since they go hand-in-hand) and if it is also too hot out for people to be out and about the risks of fires starting should hopefully go down.
If a fire does start though the likelihood of it growing out of control is a lot higher with the hot dry conditions.
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It's funny how we keep having to re-learn how to exist as humans in a harsh environment. Evaporative cooling and fans, reflective insulation, manipulating pressure systems (window placement/opening), and of course, sitting outside under a shady tree (or in a forest) with a good breeze on a dry day. You can also eat spicy foods, which will make you sweat, which will cool you down. Just remember to hydrate!
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Usually these hot spells end with lots of lightning releasing the built up energy. Lets hope they have rain along with the lightning.
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The only possible saving grace is that the rain didn't stop until a couple of weeks ago, unlike most years when it tapers off in mid-May.
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Many people here do not have air conditioning because it "never" gets anywhere close to this temperature. There isn't a fan or AC unit for sale anywhere and people are looking for anywhere they can go to cool off.
Yeap... And the night time temps are in the 70's so you can't use the good ole PNW method of opening all the windows at night and closing things up for the day.
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I'm so glad I bought a portable AC unit in 2015 when my neighborhood in Seattle last hit 100F. Dug it out of storage and hooked it up in my bedroom to make it possible to sleep in there (and keep my dog safe!).
This is supposedly a "once in a millennium" heat dome but there's some evidence that climate change is making the jet stream slower and less stable, which directly leads into these blocking patterns that trap hot (or cold) weather where it doesn't belong. So this stuff might become more common in the
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I had a glass bottle of water almost start a fire years back. As for lightning, probably happen when the next weather pattern rolls in.
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Since AC is uncommon in the area hordes of people are heading for the mountains to camp where it's cooler, and unfortunately they're going to have campfires even though there's a burn ban. Plenty of potential for forest fires right now.
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We laughed at Texas because they sued the federal government just so nobody could tell them how to run their electrical grid. They got exactly what they wanted.
Calm down everyone (Score:5, Insightful)
I am sure Senator Inhofe is quite prepared to bring another snowball to the Senate chambers.
I am equally sure that there will be plenty of idiots in his state to re-elect him.
So no need to panic.
Just east of Seattle. (Score:5, Interesting)
111F ~44C on Sunday on my outdoor thermometer. The most uncomfortable thing is that the low last night was not supposed to be much under 80F ~26.5C. So, you don't start today as low as you would like inside to get through one more day. Luckily at my house, I am at the bottom of a valley and it seems to have cooled off more last night (67F ~19.5C) than the nearest towns that are not in the valley.
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For comparison, I measured a peak of 40 C on Sunday outdoors in the shade in Los Angeles (inland valleys). Lucky for us we're a desert climate so the night-time low was 17 C.
Seattle being hotter than LA... something screwy's going on there.
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You're a lot likelier to have air conditioning as well. It was 24C in my house this morning. According to my weather station, which I think is about 15 years old, the highest it was outside before this weekend was 27C and 24C inside.
I'm doing my part (Score:5, Funny)
Open the doors and windows and turn the AC on max. We'll get this temperature down in no time. Now you may ask isn't that a strain on the electricity grid? Don't worry, I'm running the AC's on gasoline generators so the grid isn't affected. If we all do this we can beat global warming. I'm not stupid. I did finish grade 7, twice at that!
Do not try this at home! (Score:2)
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I knew a guy who on a hot day opened his refrigerator door to cool his living room. There are some very special people out there.
Good times (Score:2)
Pop some popcorn and watch the climate change deniers in their sweaters who claim it's a bit chilly today dropping like flies in the heat.
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Unfortunately, many of those people live east of the mountains where they've already needed AC every summer because it's a desert. Going from the usual 90F to 110F will just triple their electricity usage, but hey, power is cheap!
Also DRY (Score:2)
The average precipitation for Edmonton in June is 77mm [currentresults.com].
The total precipitation this June, 24mm [weather.gc.ca].
Hot indeed! (Score:2)
At least we have air conditioning. The folks in 1911 didn't:
https://www.newenglandhistoric... [newengland...ociety.com]
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Cooling has a long history. [pickhvac.com]
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Imperial units suck (Score:2)
FFS please provide a unit of measure that people outside of Liberia, Myanmar and the US use (less than 10% of the worlds population). It's just dumb, dumb, dumb. Feet, pounds, gallons (dry, wet, US, Imperial, english, irish) chains, links, yards, cups, gills, bushels, cubits, horsepower, candlepower inches or mercury, foot pounds, Fahrenheit, ounces, knots, miles. Guys it an absolute joke. Aviation has been trying to standardize on sensible units since 1947 which has been blocked by the US.
Compare the abov
If it only were this. (Score:3)
The real problem happens further up north, where scientists suspect natural methane is being released way to early, way to fast and in way to large a scale due to human global warming. A run-away effect that will up warming even harder and further once global ice and arctic permafrost melting gets up to speed. Methane is 23x more potent as a greenhouse gas than co2. Look up "methane clathrate hypothesis", it's nightmare material.
I'll emphasize once again:
We're 5 decades to late in hitting the brakes and reversing. What we see right now was caused in the 70ies and and 80ies. What's happening right now will come into effect in 30 years or so. The ecosystem will change, it's too late to stop that. The question is, if we're smart and fast enough to have modern civilization survive. I'm seriously concerned. It's 20 past 12 and we're still wasting our time talking to dimwitts instead of solving the problem.
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We're still going to be more merciful to anti-climate changers than we are anti-vaxxers.
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In the short term Darwin will take care of a certain amount of the anti-vaxxers, in the longer term Ma Nature may have the final say about the anti-AGW nuts.
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In the short term Darwin will take care of a certain amount of the anti-vaxxers
Only if they have not had children.
Furthermore, many of them may get sick, recover and then have long-term symptoms / illness.
Re:Burn more dead dinosaur juice, fuckers! (Score:5, Interesting)
I wasn't clear, I'm afraid. SARS2 isn't the only global pandemic we're going to see, not even the most dangerous. When the next smallpox or a bioweapon hits there will still be idiot anit-vaxxers, and they'll be even more fanatical for having survived this. There were anti-vaxxers during the worldwide push to inoculate everyone against smallpox, a fairly large percentage of them died and a goodly number of the survivors couldn't reproduce because of the effects of the disease.
The Soviets created what they called Blackpox, a chimera of smallpox and Marburg, extremely contagious, with a moderate incubation time, and 100% fatal. One of the researchers was accidentally infected and the results were so appalling that they stopped that line of research and destroyed all samples. They attempted to destroy all the documentation, but Ken Alibeck defected to the US bringing the research notes with him. He was granted citizenship at the request of the president by an act of Congress and spent the rest of his life working for the Pentagon.
Re:Burn more dead dinosaur juice, fuckers! (Score:4, Insightful)
> more frequent and violent hurricanes
John Stossel, queued to the relevant portion of the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
2m21s, IPCC claims
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High pressure zones like this aren't atypical of the Pacific Northwest. But what we are missing are the Pacific low pressure systems which usually push them along in about a day. So it's getting hot.
Tell me what to do to increase the intensity of the cyclonic systems in the North Pacific (or even restore them to past levels) and I will happily do it.
Re:Burn more dead dinosaur juice, fuckers! (Score:5, Informative)
I wanted to see the sources for that first site and they present me with a fucking word cloud. https://climateataglance.com/c... [climateataglance.com]
The second link is the owner of the first.
Re:Burn more dead dinosaur juice, fuckers! (Score:5, Informative)
Heartland is a raving right wingnut organization.They get their money from the Kochs who get their money from petroleum.
Now, do you have any credible sources or are you just a shill for the Kochs.
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are you just a shill for the Kochs.
Or just a bad case of confirmation bias.
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Re:Burn more dead dinosaur juice, fuckers! (Score:4, Insightful)
The Heartland institute is fucking cancer. Literally. For your lungs and for the world:
In the 1990s, the Heartland Institute originated the tobacco industry playbook, working with the tobacco company Philip Morris to attempt to discredit the health risks of secondhand smoke and to lobby against smoking bans
Since the 2000s, the Heartland Institute has been a leading promoter of climate change denial.It rejects the scientific consensus on climate change.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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On the other hand, the National Science Foundation:
https://www.nsf.gov/news/news_... [nsf.gov]
says "Number of Category 4 and 5 Hurricanes Has Doubled Over the Past 35 Years"
"What we found was rather astonishing," said Georgia Tech's Webster. "In the 1970s, there was an average of about 10 Category 4 and 5 hurricanes per year globally. Since 1990, the number of Category 4 and 5 hurricanes has almost doubled, averaging 18 per year globally."
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You: Alex, I'll take "Period" for $200.
Alex: Okay, the answer is "A period closes a sentence."
You: The question is "What is a sentence?"
Alex: Judges, what do you think.
Judges: A period at the end of a tome does not make the tome a sentence. No money is awarded.
Alex: Too bad, You, Jeopardy will continue after word from Our Lord.
Take advantage instead (Score:5, Insightful)
Ground Loop Thermocouples to run your heat pumps
Solar BBQ to cook your food
Other Ambient energy devices
Go back to nuclear now that we know how to extract 1600 years of energy from one little pile of spent fuel rods from the old way.
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This current heat emergency combined with more frequent and violent hurricanes, melting glaciers and rising sea levels which will soon swamp coastal urban areas and displace hundreds of millions of people, a 100 year drought crisis in the American west, and the potential for a runaway and sterilizing greenhouse cliff is due to the parasitic nature of the human species and it's unchecked reproductive explosion across the face of the planet, something that the existing ecosystem is unequipped to deal with and it could very well be the end of multi-cellular life on the planet in the next 200-500 years.
Yeah, but it dipped below freezing a couple times last winter. Take that liberals! /s
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Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment
Horsepuckey, just like all the other Intelligent Design BS. Mammalian populations increase until they hit some barrier that stops them, such as a predator's population increase, starvation from destruction of habitat, or plagues caused by overpopulation. We've just been able to remove most of those barriers, and push others out further.
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Everyone was warned, but no one listened
It's not that no one listened; a majority have listened, however that same a majority are unwilling to take the financial / lifestyle / both hit that combating climate change will take, combined with governments who are unwilling to put the dramatic changes in place that are required.
Re:Burn more dead dinosaur juice, fuckers! (Score:5, Insightful)
A thousand years? No. Millions of years? Almost certainly.
Before you come back and whine "The climate is always changing" be aware that no one is denying that simple fact. What's different this time is that rather than taking centuries or millennia to make a measurable long-term change we're doing it in decades. Ecosystems can't adapt that fast.
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Ecosystems can't adapt that fast.
I mean, they'll adapt. But it likely won't end well for us.
Re:Real Units of Measure Please (Score:4, Interesting)
I don't care about the temperature relative to horse blood.
I saw 45C in my backyard yesterday just north of the border.
Or 318.15K if you prefer. Today is supposed to be hotter.
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> Or 318.15K if you prefer.
If it gets people off Fahrenheit, I'm willing to switch from Celsius to Kelvin.
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I mean, I agree with you, but I can't help pointing out that decimals exist and that most folks using Celsius at least break it into .5s. :D
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I first got introduced to Rankine by a mechanical engineer at Boeing who couldn't believe even an EE didn't know what it was. Tried to get millibars introduced on the same project and got shot down right away.
By the way, it is just noon and 45 degrees already in Maple Valley (near Seattle).
To slashdot why don't you allow the degree symble?:(
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It is 318.15K Rankine for you Imperial overlords.
Messed up it should be 572.67 Rankine
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One of the local drive-through coffee boxes has been closing at about 9:30, and has changed its sign to, "OK God, whatever the heck you're cooking it's done already!"
Cute. (Score:2)
synthesized hydrocarbon fuels,
That would be a waste of energy and by the time you have the clean energy you need to make the stuff then battery technology will have be sufficiently advanced to the point where it can completely replace the need for fuel combustion.
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Doing very well. [youtu.be]
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Is that supposed to be an argument for not trying to reduce our CO2 emissions where practical?
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https://www.reuters.com/busine... [reuters.com]
https://www.nrcan.gc.ca/climat... [nrcan.gc.ca]
https://www.iea.org/reports/th... [iea.org]
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So how are those battery powered planes coming along?
Solid state batteries are up for the job, the problem is the current cost of manufacturing, which they are working on improving to lower the cost. Given past battery development timelines, I expect them to be ready for market around 2030. So... maybe battery powered planes in 2035.
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Fine, Harbor Air is converting its fleet now. As engines need their regularly scheduled overhaul they're being replaced with electric engines and batteries for about the same cost as the overhaul.
https://spectrum.ieee.org/ener... [ieee.org]
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And those battery powered long haul trucks.
Actually, that's one of the ideal applications for solid state batteries because of the efficiency of the motor, the weight of the freight (regeneration) and you can charge them quite quickly since thermal runaway is not longer a limiting factor. Frankly, we should be looking to use rail lines when possible because it's far more efficient. Trains are already electric, they just need a sufficient battery and solid state batteries fit the bill.
Warships, icebreakers, container ships
Why would you not use nuclear power for these?
Batteries are heavy and we can't have combine harvesters sinking in the mud.
Solid state batter
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Scheduling is an issue for using the railroads, when a train weighs 15,000 tons it takes a frack of a long way to stop so they have to be separated from other traffic by large spaces. Considering how poor communication is along many stretches of rail the spaces get even larger.
Adding a Starlink connection to all rail traffic will assist in exact localization and communication and could allow much reduced clearance buffers, if insurers and regulators agree.
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I do know about tracks. They are expensive to obtain and maintain.
Funny because the exact same thing is true about roads. The difference is that private trucking companies are subsidized by the public. I would like to end these subsidies. If they still want to go with synthetic fuel then so be it.
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Battery electric vehicles have a space to fill, and that space is very small.
"Very small?"
In the USA alone there are over two-hundred MILLION cars.
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There won't be another nuke plant built in our lifetimes. They end up double or even triple over budget and still need massive government subsidies to turn a profit.
They will call him "Nuclear Joe". (Score:2)
What's a "nuke plant"? Those sound quite disagreeable.
Nuclear fission power plants will be built in great numbers in our lifetimes. 50 years or so ago the USA was building them at an average of one new plant per month. I expect to see a rate double or triple that in our lifetimes.
To keep up with the closure of old nuclear power plants means repeating what was done 50 years ago. To keep up with the rate of old coal and natural gas plants will mean something on the order of one new nuclear power plant per
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We get it, you own a nuclear plant. Watts Bar 2 took 43 years to actually complete and ended up costing over $6 billion dollars. And then it still had to be taken offline just months later for equipment failures. You keep holding out for nuclear while solar prices drop incrementally every year.
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In the US, there are currently 17 reactors planned, some expanding and two new plants.
We hadn't started a reactor construction in a while between 1978 and 2013, but then we did commence construction of two in 2013.
Three-Mile Island did seem to dissuade new projects from beginning, but it seems we are getting back to considering building new ones.
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Don't bet on that.
Senator Manchin, who holds possibly the most critical vote on the infrastructure bills being crafted in the US Senate right now, is very pro-Nuclear. It's very conceivable that money gets thrown to the Department of Energy to build some new reactors for test and validation towards commercial use.
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It's hard for you to understand science isn't it.
How often does it get close to that? How often did it before? How is it different now? Is it the same?
You don't know, and don't care. You just pretend you 'know stuff' and believe whatever makes you happy.
Why not leave this one for the grownups train0987...
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In a previous discussion, after shifting around and ignoring almost every point made against nuclear, you asked for numbers.
There are two key numbers you need to know; $155 and $30 - the first is the the levelised cost of real Nuclear and the second is the levelised cost of wind power. These are the numbers that take into account the fact that wind doesn't always blow equally strongly. Basically, for every watt you invest in Nuclear, you lose the ability to get 15 times as many watts of wind power.
15 tim
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$155/$30 is 5.2, not 15. I decided to look up the latest Lazard report [lazard.com], which gives LCOEs of $26-54 for Wind and $129-$198 for conve
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Those are nice numbers. The problem is that they assume costs remain the same over time, which will not happen as resources run scarce.
You aren't reading anything that's posted against you, are you? You just spout propaganda straight from some Nuclear Industry disinformation booklet.
I showed that costs change over time. Reducing vastly. That's what the Wikipedia graph is showing directly [wikipedia.org]
Resources like land.
You are comparing a nuclear plant, which has to exclude all other uses for security reasons, with a wind turbine which can fully coexist with arable land. Animals graze under wind turbines and next to solar panels without any problem whatsoever. In ot
Re: Need to agree on the solution, not on the prob (Score:3)
What a bunch of BS.
Of course we know that we have warming, we know we're causing it, and we know it's greenhouse gases causing it. There's no controversy there and any argumeny mixing with that is not worth any time responding.
As for the medicine analogy: it actually supports my conclusion, treating a patient with a systemic, chronic weakness only on an accute basis is a recipe for him dying 30 years ahead of his time, for reasons that could haven been avoidable had the doctor been more competent.
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While Lytton is always a leader in ranking as the hot spot in Canada, we're breaking records on the coast and island by over 10C in a lot of cases. I live in a cool spot. over 15 years the hottest it has been was 27C, yesterday hit 37C, that means records are being broken by over 20F with today forecast to be another 4C or close to 10F hotter.
I see the record for today at the Abottsford airport is 32.4 set in 2008, today the forecast is 44C.
Most people don't have air-conditioning either.
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No, the record in Seattle that's being broken was set about 5 years ago, and it broke a record that was set less than 20 years ago.