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Stanford Scientists Reverse Engineer Moderna Vaccine, Post Code On Github (vice.com) 111

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Motherboard: Stanford scientists saved drops of the COVID-19 vaccine destined for the garbage can, reverse engineered them, and have posted the mRNA sequence that powers the vaccine on GitHub for all to see. The GitHub post is four pages long. The first two are an explanation by the team of scientists about the work, the second two pages are the entire mRNA sequence for the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine. "RNA vaccines have become a key tool in moving forward through the challenges raised both in the current pandemic and in numerous other public health and medical challenges," the scientists said on GitHub. "Despite their ubiquity, sequences are not always available for such RNA. Standard methods facilitate such sequencing."

According to Stanford scientists Andrew Fire and Massa Shoura, this isn't technically "reverse-engineering" a vaccine. "We didn't reverse engineer the vaccine. We posted the putative sequence of two synthetic RNA molecules that have become sufficiently prevalent in the general environment of medicine and human biology in 2021," they told Motherboard in an email. "As the vaccine has been rolling out, these sequences have begun to show up in many different investigational and diagnostic studies. Knowing these sequences and having the ability to differentiate them from other RNAs in analyzing future biomedical data sets is of great utility." [...] According to Shoura and Fire, the FDA cleared the Stanford project's decision to share the sequence with the community. "We did contact Moderna a couple of weeks ago to indicate that we were hoping to include the sequence in a publication and asking if there was anything that we should reference with respect to this... no response or objection from them, so we assume that everyone is busy doing important work."

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Stanford Scientists Reverse Engineer Moderna Vaccine, Post Code On Github

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 29, 2021 @06:23PM (#61215118)
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    • by Anonymous Coward
      So, the scientists say they didn't reverse engineer it, and the article explains that they didn't. Yet the headline says they did. SMFH
    • How its either patented they have published how to produce the vaccine, or its a trade secret so not protected by patents.

      • Given the US government (under Trump) paid for its development, I would say it should probably be public domain.

  • by ShooterNeo ( 555040 ) on Monday March 29, 2021 @06:27PM (#61215136)

    You wouldn't download a vaccine or download a car. (Shots of hot young people printing pirated doses of vaccines and then partying, accompanied by awesome sounding music)

  • by Kludge ( 13653 ) on Monday March 29, 2021 @06:29PM (#61215142)

    Did they reverse engineer the tracking chip that Bill Gates puts in the vaccine?

    By the way, for those who are clueless, that was sarcasm.

    • by msauve ( 701917 )
      It's not a tracking chip. It carries the blueprint for nanites which allow the government to do mind control even if you're wearing a tin foil hat.
    • Nah, they're leaving that to the black hats competing to get zero-day exploits to the state actor market.
    • Did they reverse engineer the tracking chip that Bill Gates puts in the vaccine?

      They are going to need a few more weeks. Borg nanotech is difficult to reverse engineer.

    • By the way, for those who are clueless, that was sarcasm.

      And here I was struggling to find just the right words for a modern sig...

  • by sizzlinkitty ( 1199479 ) on Monday March 29, 2021 @06:31PM (#61215150)

    You can click but you can't hide. /s

    Grab a copy of the repo before it gets taken down.

  • by Midnight_Falcon ( 2432802 ) on Monday March 29, 2021 @06:35PM (#61215162)
    How long until some CRISPR enthusiasts figure out how to splice up some mRNA at home and we get warez injections? Will this be the return of CENTROPY? Also, What could possibly go wrong?
    • by nadass ( 3963991 )
      The science and technology has been around long enough for home enthusiasts to do this already -- the only issue is cost and regulations (which is more of a bureaucratic hurdle than knowledge).
    • by hey! ( 33014 )

      The whole genome of the virus has been sequenced and publicly available for over a year now. Apparently it took Moderna only a few hours to choose the sequences it wanted to target, so there was nothing keeping bio hackers from developing their own *DNA* vaccines.

      mRNA is a different kettle of fish. The problem with it for any kind of home hackers is that it is very unstable. If you think about what mRNA does, that makes sense. The cell produces mRNA in response to some kind of stimulus, and you don't wan

    • Re:Vaccine Warez? (Score:5, Interesting)

      by backslashdot ( 95548 ) on Monday March 29, 2021 @07:36PM (#61215410)

      There's nothing to figure out this vaccine is easy to make at home. Ideally, though not required, you need a DNA printer (you can get a cheap oligo synthesizer on eBay anywhere from $10,000 to $50,000 if you want the high end shit). If not, you can still make it for around $500. Of that $500, $300 is to order a strand of DNA with the vaccine code on it because you were too cheap to buy an oligo synthesizer. Then, you need something called a DNA dependent RNA polymerase, probably T7 polymerase works best. You can get it many places cheap, although you probably should have your credentials as a biohacker revoked if you don't have some lying around. You just mix the DNA strand and the T7 polymerase together .. and within an hour you have the mRNA for the vaccine. Then you encapsulate it by (essentially) mixing it in some lipids (which you can buy it cheap, my favorite supplier is Avanti Polar Lipids) and if you wanna be fancy you can add some PEG (poly-ethylene glycol). PEG costs so little that you have to buy a massive quantity at a time, what a ripoff. Oh yeah you might want to purify it some with an HPLC, though it might not kill you even without purification.

      I simplified the steps a little bit, but it really is that easy. Of course, if you try to do it based on just the above and lacking experience you might die or worse.

      My point is that this vaccine is easy to make, it's only a matter of doing it and not going to jail for giving it to somebody because you said F U to the FDA.

    • The lipid pfizer uses is available commercially to anyone. Moderna's lipid formula and structure is known so it can be synthesized .. granted that it may take some trial and error. Also, that article is a bit of exaggeration, there are enough published works on lipids that are good enough. You may have to take a higher dose or something like that, you don't need it to be as great as Pfizers. All the lipid does is help it get into the cell. If you use one that doesn't work as good it means you need to take a

    • Cool!
      I'll keep my CRISPR machine next to my fancy 3D printer and my top-notch copier!

      I am a self-sufficient modern man!
  • I would assume these mRNA sequences are trade secrets. California has strict laws against revealing trade secrets, so these scientists can probably expect a major lawsuit.
    • Re:Is this legal? (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Beryllium Sphere(tm) ( 193358 ) on Monday March 29, 2021 @06:45PM (#61215198) Journal

      Hmm. If it were patented, they could have just copied it from the patent documents. So trade secret seems likely.

      If California prohibits publishing material obtained by lawful means, I call that unjust.

      Meanwhile it's already been done for the Pfizer vaccine. There's a teardown report at berthub.eu, written for the mindset of software people. The amount of thought and refinement in every detail of the mRNA sequence impressed me.

      • Re:Is this legal? (Score:5, Informative)

        by Kernel Kurtz ( 182424 ) on Monday March 29, 2021 @07:07PM (#61215288)

        There's a teardown report at berthub.eu, written for the mindset of software people. The amount of thought and refinement in every detail of the mRNA sequence impressed me.

        Yes, excellent overview of how that sequence of nucleotides actually works. https://berthub.eu/articles/po... [berthub.eu]

      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward
        IP laws are against revealing trade secrets. If you figure out trade secrets on your own-- somebody didn't tell them to you-- then unless you had signed a non-disclosure agreement, it's fair game to tell anybody you like.
    • Re: Is this legal? (Score:5, Informative)

      by backslashdot ( 95548 ) on Monday March 29, 2021 @06:46PM (#61215210)

      There is zero trade secret whatsoever. It is just an mRNA expression backbone with the spike protein sequence. Good mRNA expression vectors are well known. The spike protein sequence is well known. They used a stabilized version published by University of Texas at Austin.

    • Trade secret law would only apply if the Stanford scientists received the secret under NDA and then published anyway. Stanford has an open research policy and so would never have signed such an NDA. Since Moderna is publishing their vaccine in liquid form, declaring this a trade secret would not be very effective legal protection of their IP. Instead they have patented as much as they legally can: https://www.modernatx.com/pate... [modernatx.com]
    • Trade secrets are difficult for others to properly acquire or independently duplicate, subject to reasonable measures to guard the secrecy of the information, and not known outside of the particular business entity[source] [nolo.com]. Also Moderna has to show they were harmed by this being published, which seems unlikely.

      Moderna apparently did nothing to guard the secrecy of this information, even when asked.

    • I would assume these mRNA sequences are trade secrets. California has strict laws against revealing trade secrets, so these scientists can probably expect a major lawsuit.

      Reverse engineering is not revealing a trade secret.

    • by AuMatar ( 183847 )

      Trade secret laws apply to your employees, contractors, and others who have specific business relationships with you. There's no problem with recreating a trade secret independently. That's the risk you take by making something a trade secret instead of a patent.

  • by Anonymous Coward
    "I don't care what's in it, I don't care what it does, put it in me and my wife's boyfriend! Free donuts!"
  • by dmay34 ( 6770232 ) on Monday March 29, 2021 @06:47PM (#61215216)

    It's not the mRNA code that Pfizer is protecting The code doesn't do that much for you. It's the mass manufacturing of the whole viable vaccine that is hard to do.

    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward
      Pfizer != Moderna
    • Derek Lowe has written about how difficult the supply chain management alone is. Also you're dead right saying "whole viable vaccine", because the lipid carriers are critical and by all accounts a black art.

    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by drillbug ( 126567 )

      It's the mass manufacturing of the whole viable vaccine that is hard to do.

      Quite so, and I've been ranting to any ear I can grab that this moment is like the 1960s and early days of the integrated circuit.

      The mRNA is a fantastic advance, and the BioNTech folks have been working on it for 10-15 years, with the goal of creating cancer vaccines. There are many other labs filled with fantastic developments. For any of them to have real-world impact, they must make the jump from million dollar per shot lab

      • It is the sequence from the virus that makes the spike protein.

        There is a bit more to it. The leader and trailer, plus the way they changed some base pairs. But basically it is the Virus that owns the IP.

        How they manufacture it, and stick it in a lipid capsule etc. That is amazing.

      • by jonwil ( 467024 )

        Publishing this reverse engineered DNA sequence would be like reverse engineering and publishing the schematic for the new iPhone. Just because you know all the parts that go into it doesn't mean you can build an iPhone at home...

    • by tlhIngan ( 30335 )

      It's not the mRNA code that Pfizer is protecting The code doesn't do that much for you. It's the mass manufacturing of the whole viable vaccine that is hard to do.

      It's not just the mass manufacturing Moderna is protecting.

      A raw mRNA sequence is pretty useless by itself - if injected, the spleen and immune system would just break down the mRNA as part of cleaning up the blood. Instead, you need to encapsulate the sequence inside a protein shell that a cell will accept (i.e., it has to "infect" the cell). At

      • by dmay34 ( 6770232 )

        Right.. That's why I said "the mass manufacturing of the whole viable vaccine". So I don't know what you are arguing with me about.

        But, even getting ALL that together to work, you still have to figure out how to make it in large enough quantities to sell. And THAT'S just to get it out the door. Then you have a whole host of other problems with shipping and distribution. AND then you still have jerks that have decided they won't take it.

  • by DesertNomad ( 885798 ) on Monday March 29, 2021 @07:12PM (#61215312)

    From TFA:
    Stanford folks: "We did contact Moderna a couple of weeks ago to indicate that we were hoping to include the sequence in a publication and asking if there was anything that we should reference with respect to this... no response or objection from them, so we assume that everyone is busy doing important work."

    Moderna spokescritter: “Contact us? How? I eventually had to go down to the cellar to find the inquiry.”

    Stanford folks: “We assumed that was the response department.”

    Moderna spokescritter: “I had to use a flashlight to find your inquiry.”

    Stanford folks: “Ah, well, the lights had probably gone.”

    Moderna spokescritter: “So had the stairs.”

    Stanford folks: “But look, you found the notification, didn’t you?”

    Moderna Spokescritter: “Yes, we did. It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying ‘Beware of the Leopard.”

  • by ikhider ( 2837593 ) on Monday March 29, 2021 @08:12PM (#61215526)
    It is appalling that countries make health care a for-profit venture and people's well being are tied to their income level. We are still deep into the dark ages as a (human) race. Stories like this https://www.bbc.com/news/world... [bbc.com] are sickening. Drug companies that sit on cancer treatments, waiting for the 'right' market conditions and people indentured for life for medical treatment. Hallmarks of a primitive society. Other countries like UK and Canada are pushing for this dysfunction. What is even more appalling, sheeple are just letting this privatization happen instead of banning any notion of privatized health on pain of execution.
    • by RightwingNutjob ( 1302813 ) on Monday March 29, 2021 @08:36PM (#61215624)

      Meanwhile, it's the evil evil for-profit corporations that are doing the leg-work in manufacturing everything from the vaccines to the vials to the refrigerators to the needles used to inject them. And where non-profit entities do make an appearance, it's generally in the context of governments and government agencies fucking up spectacularly, like CDC repeatedly failing to field a covid test last year and FDA and CMS actively ordering private labs to refrain from testing at the early phases of the outbreak.

      • Tell that to the millions who have been bankrupted or reduced to indentured slavery to the for-profit system, or the vast numbers who died or went through prolonged suffering because their well being did not meet ideal market conditions. Non-profit driven scientists have discovered cures before and they will do so again. So do us all a favor and leave this earth already, there is no room for people who put material profit over life.
        • i find it curious that you seem to believe that health-care is a right. anything that involves the labor of others is necessarily not a right. It's the moral thing to do to help one another, but you no more deserve a cheap pill, than you deserve to have a harem.

          innovation is driven by greed, desperation and curiosity.

          lets talk about a hypothetical drug for a hypothetical disease. lets exclude the people that will research the drug for passion/altruism. They'll do it regardless of private vs public. The

      • If by "leg work", you mean getting billions in public funding and subsidies and tax-breaks only to turn around and demand an arm and a leg under "muh profits" argument. This vaccine, and every vaccine, is a matter of public health and should not under any circumstance be under the discretion of a private company to dispense, especially for profit, and even more so when said companies got public money for it. https://www.scientificamerican... [scientificamerican.com]
        • We have an example of how that would work. You can read about it in the news right now. It isn't working very well where it is being tried. In the places where it is working well, it's the private sector enabling it.

          Communists don't care about results. They care about ideological purity. That's why they tell me with a straight face that Venezuela is in good shape, Cuba is a paradise, thr Soviet Union failed becaue it was too capitalist, and that private-sector covid vaccinations in the US and UK work worse

          • Guess again, this has nothing to do with Russia or China any countries you mention. There is a simple premise, human well being over profits. Stop with the red herrings.
            • We've known for centuries that the promise of profits enables greater human well-being by harnessing human greed instead of trying to deny its existance and efficacy as a motivator and organizer. This baloney about greed tainting results is just ideological posturing that when put into practices creates great human suffering in the name of moral purity.

              • We have known for centuries that there will always be those who harbor mental aberrations such as those who place material greed over the well being of fellow humans, their society, and the environment. Usually, those aberants are thrown in prison or executed. It is a pity you escaped. Some of the inmates have taken over the asylum, thanks for identifying yourself.
                • Yeah...Communists do like to talk about human wellbeing and summary executions in the same breath. Keep up to good work, comrade.

                  • Yet another red herring. The point is very simple, you do not have to screw people over to make a living. If you hold the cure for some disease and then withhold it not for profit, but 'obscene profit' such that your desperate buyers are at pains to afford, that is called 'profiteering'. When there are many who are in desperate need of medical care and you withhold it for control, money, and power, at that point the items must be forcibly removed and the rofiteer shot or thrown in prison. Clearly, you have
                    • I lived a portion of my life under Soviet Communism and many of my family members lived a good portion of their adult lives under Soviet or Chinese Communism. I am familiar with life under deprivation.

                      I am also familiar with how obscenely generous the American social safety net is to people who have never paid a cent in taxes here and yet get world-class medical care for free.

                      I am also quite familiar with the concept of scarcity: scarcity of medical supplies, scarcity of manufacturing capacity to produce th

                    • Your argument is such, I state, "The USA medical system is unjust and geared to the privileged." You reply, "Russia system is bad!" Your reply has nothing to do with my statement and you have not refuted it with any logic. My point still stands. Your comprehension is weak and your red herrings are troll level. Let me beat you to a pulp and send you to the US medical system and when they present you with a bill, perhaps then you will understand how bad it is. Now extend that to people who have illnesses, wor
                    • People don't work for free and they won't start because you think they should. The American system works fine for almost everyone. Socialist alternatives that eradicate any hint of profits in a religious crusade against greed don't work very well.

                      Your reading comprehension could use some work if your only response to witness testimony that the American medical system works fine even for the poor and that Communist systems work equally poorly for everyone is to fantasize about committing violence against me

                    • Simply cross the border to Canada, a non-communist where people are not punished for being ill or injured. There are numerous European countries who have the same or better health care availability. It is a pity you have not traveled to witness alternate systems. You have clarified that you are an escaped mental patient from Russia who sought asylum in the USA with very little scope of experience and knowledge. To reiterate, medical care, along with other basic human needs, must be available to all, not jus
                    • All the countries you listed happen to be doing worse than the US on the metric that commands the most attention today: share of population fully vaccinated against covid.

                      You're also repeating propaganda about punishing the poor etc etc. The US medical system does not do that. The social safety net is very generous as is. You don't have to have worked a day in your life in this country but you're still eligible for all sorts of free stuff.

                      And btw: you keep talking about what should and shouldn't be allowed.

                    • Very simple principle, do whatever you like, as long as it does not cause harm to others. Once you cross that threshold, you must be put away. The fact that you openly advocate harm to others for the sake of profit makes you a sick individual and you need help.
                    • You are seeing harm where it doesn't objectively exist and advocating violence against people who don't share your delusion. Get out more and meet people. After getting your shot. And maybe the rest of your meds.

                    • If you want to continue this conversation, bring your demographics, and not from Fox News, Parler, or Breitbart. People are not getting the medical care in the USA that they need becasue they cannot afford it. Those who have the misfortune of requiring treatment end up in serious debt or bankruptcy. Even well off Americans, who have insurance are faced with staggering bills. This is wrong and unsustainable. Health care is a right, not a privilege. A new system needs to be implemented where people get the ca
                    • Start here: https://amjmed.org/only-in-ame... [amjmed.org]
                    • My grandparents never worked a day in their lives in this country, never paid a cent in taxes, and got full health coverage at no cost to them.

                      My wife works at a hospital that treats a large fraction of patients with zero means to pay their own way, and they get treated. Young people from third world countries get on planes to come here because they know they'll get free medical care.

                      Cite all the statistics you want, but I have seen with my own eyes that medical care is essentially free to people with no me

                    • No, I am angry because of this: https://www.theguardian.com/us... [theguardian.com] and this: https://pnhp.org/news/why-amer... [pnhp.org] and this: https://www.feedster.com/healt... [feedster.com] and this: https://www.thefiscaltimes.com... [thefiscaltimes.com] and this: https://www.reuters.com/articl... [reuters.com] and this: https://www.bloomberg.com/news... [bloomberg.com] it goes on ad nauseum. Health care is a basic human right, not a privilege.
                    • "Health care" doesn't exist without people to provide it to you. Those people don't work for free and they don't owe you or anyone else jack shit.

                      Saying "health care is a right" is like saying "gasoline is a right" or "flush toilets are a right." None of them exist without the hard work of highly trained people who have the right to the fruits of their own labor and don't owe you or anyone else free stuff.

                    • I read your links. It's rage bait with little grounding in present-day reality. Like I said, I can point to real people whom I know who get healthcare for free using established well-publicized social safety net programs, not some secret squirrel handshakes.

                    • Your argument summary is, "I got mine, everyone else can go to hell." This is an antisocial argument. If you love your newfound country, you do it a disservice to look solely at how you and yours get 'theirs'. You look to ensure EVERYONE get the same care you do. Many do not get the privileges you do and that is an injustice. But tell you what, wait till you and yours get cancer, then get treatment, then the bill and then tell me how great it is. Selfish monster.
                    • Doctors in more civilized countries where healthcare is readily available still get paid.
                    • My links are solid and reputable, you have no ground to stand on. Just conjecture.
                    • Some more links: https://hazlitt.net/longreads/... [hazlitt.net] and this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
                    • Not like here. That's why they come here from there and why we make them go through residency and fellowship training so they don't flood the zone with cheap labor and undercut the American medical training pipeline.

                    • Check the links again, the sources are solid. Medical journals are not 'rage bait'. Many Americans cannot afford healthcare. Whereas I provide reputable links, you merely provide conjecture. That you and your family receive care is not the measuring stick of a just society, rather that all, regardless of income, get the same care. Medical care must not be tied to how privileged people are, but need. That you came from Russia is a red herring. The point is, in the USA, people who need medical care are not ge
                • i assume from your post, that you live an ascetic life, and that you give away all your profits except for what you need to live right now right this instant. if not, you're a hypocrite.

  • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Monday March 29, 2021 @08:19PM (#61215552)
    about this:

    That's one example, but most of these vaccines were developed with lots of money and assistance from governments and State Universities and are now being sold back to us for a hefty profit.

  • Poor timing (Score:4, Funny)

    by Ogive17 ( 691899 ) on Monday March 29, 2021 @08:28PM (#61215598)
    I just got my 2nd dose of Moderna. Can someone please review the code and let me know if my backdoor is now exposed?
  • Git & GitHub might be a very good thing for source code version control, (not passing judgement, just making an observation that it might be very good...). But, it's not designed for RNA or DNA. I mean, we need a version control system so that we can make Dinosaurs! Jurassic Park, (both movie & book, though the book more so), had a places where it was shown that DNA was both stored and manipulated on computers.

    So, how about it?
    Version control for RNA & DNA?

    And, a comparison method. After al
  • I don't know how to compile this...
    • You need one of these [kilobaser.com].

      • by Alcari ( 1017246 )
        Is this for real?

        70% of my thesis was spent making oligonucleotides, 5% was doing the actual work and discovering, and 25% was writing everything down. There's now a machine cheaper than most cars that can do all that for you!? We really are living in the future!

        I'd almost be pissed if my degree served a purpose other than covering up the ugly spot on the wallpaper.
    • um, from what i understand, it runs on meatware... and you should come with the compiler preinstalled. try loading it into a different port, that might work.

  • by coldandcalculating ( 1311907 ) on Monday March 29, 2021 @11:23PM (#61215982)
    For anyone who is interested, I aligned the Pfizer and Moderna sequences as provided in the pdf. The encoded spike proteins are identical, but the mRNAs are different.

    Thanks to redundancy in the genetic code [wikipedia.org], multiple RNA triplets can often encode the same amino acid. The random nature of codon optimization algorithms would lead to the two teams choosing "different' mRNAs that still reflect the codon usage stats of a human mRNA.

    There are also notable differences in the 5' (upstream) and 3' (downstream) untranslated regions, or UTRs, that regulate the stability and translation of mRNA molecules. It would be interesting to test them side by side in the lab and see if there is a significant difference in protein production.

    A final difference between the two vaccines that is not encoded by the mRNA is in the composition of the lipid nanoparticle that is responsible for delivering the mRNA to the host cells for protein production. Probably the two vaccines use similar but different mixtures of positive charge and lipid. Nanoparticle technology allows mRNA, an enormous highly negatively charged molecule, to be internalized into cellular endosomes and escape to the cytoplasm where it can guide the production of antigenic protein. Without the special mix of positively charged fats (cationic lipids), the mRNA would be dead on injection thanks to serum RNases, and it would never accumulate significantly in the cell.

    Another interesting note is that the researchers have posted the sequence of the DNA copy deduced by reverse-transcribing the mRNA, since mRNA doesn't contain "T" bases but instead contains "U" bases. On top of that, therapeutic mRNAs (including Pfizer and Moderna molecules) don't even use U, but instead incorporate 1-methyl pseudouridine (m1-Psi) [caretdashcaret.com], which avoids activating the innate immune system of cells.

    Don't confuse the innate immune system with the adaptive immune system. The job of the innate immune system is to recognize incoming viruses, often in the form of extracellular RNA, and initiate the shutdown of protein synthesis and often cell death. Earlier generation mRNA vaccines that incorporated U instead of m1-Psi exhibited strong activation of the innate immune system and were less effective at hijacking cellular protein producing machinery to manufacture antigen proteins.

    All in all it's amazing what has been accomplished in the last year, but it was only possible because of decades of underlying research into this new therapeutic technology. Truly a triumph of chemistry and biology.
    • Very informative post! A little dense on technical jargon though. I had to read a bit of the Uracil wikipedia article to understand [wikipedia.org] what you were talking about with regards to T-base and U-base.

      So DNA contains ATDC (adenine (A), thymine(T), cytosine (C), and guanine (G)). However, RNA uses uracil instead of thymine, if I understand correctly. But the innate immune system would respond if the vaccine contained uracil (and reject the mRNA before the spike protein was produced), so they used some other c
      • You got it!

        Jargon is unavoidable I'm afraid, but the basic idea is that adding a single methyl group (a carbon with 3 hydrogens) in the case of m1-Psi can block the cell's native recognition machinery, but not interfere with the protein translation machinery. A very clever and elegant biohack!

        The new generation of oligonucleotide based therapies including mRNA, siRNA, Antisense Oligo and even several iterations of CRISPR are enabled through medicinal chemistry based modification of everything from the
  • "We did contact Moderna a couple of weeks ago to indicate that we were hoping to include the sequence in a publication and asking if there was anything that we should reference with respect to this... no response or objection from them, so we assume that everyone is busy doing important work."

    "important work" - like having their legal team working on a lawsuit!

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