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Most Life on Earth Will Be Killed by Lack of Oxygen in a Billion Years (newscientist.com) 165

One billion years from now, Earth's atmosphere will contain very little oxygen, making it uninhabitable for complex aerobic life. From a report: Today, oxygen makes up around 21 per cent of Earth's atmosphere. Its oxygen-rich nature is ideal for large and complex organisms, like humans, that require the gas to survive. But early in Earth's history, oxygen levels were much lower -- and they are likely to be low again in the distant future. Kazumi Ozaki at Toho University in Funabashi, Japan, and Chris Reinhard at the Georgia Institute of Technology in Atlanta modelled Earth's climatic, biological and geological systems to predict how atmospheric conditions on Earth will change. The researchers say that Earth's atmosphere will maintain high levels of oxygen for the next billion years before dramatically returning to low levels reminiscent of those that existed prior to what is known as the Great Oxidation Event of about 2.4 billion years ago. "We find that the Earth's oxygenated atmosphere will not be a permanent feature," says Ozaki. One central reason for the shift is that, as our sun ages, it will become hotter and release more energy.

The researchers calculate that this will lead to a decrease in the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere as CO2 absorbs heat and then breaks down. Ozaki and Reinhard estimate that in a billion years, carbon dioxide levels will become so low that photosynthesising organisms -- including plants -- will be unable to survive and produce oxygen. The mass extinction of these photosynthetic organisms will be the primary cause of the huge reduction in oxygen. "The drop in oxygen is very, very extreme -- we're talking around a million times less oxygen than there is today," says Reinhard.

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Most Life on Earth Will Be Killed by Lack of Oxygen in a Billion Years

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  • by ganjadude ( 952775 ) on Thursday March 04, 2021 @01:49PM (#61123718) Homepage
    ill be dead
  • Nonsense (Score:2, Insightful)

    by saloomy ( 2817221 )
    We can already separate oxygen from water via electrolysis. This process is simple, but energy intensive. It would be much simpler than it is now if the sun were to increase its intensity. We have plenty of time to maintain status quos through terraforming and geo-engineering projects.
    • Re:Nonsense (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Kisai ( 213879 ) on Thursday March 04, 2021 @02:07PM (#61123794)

      I think this is overthinking the issue.

      If we keep destroying greenspaces, then yes there will be a dramatic increase in CO2, in turn heating the atmosphere. That is not being replaced with electrolysis, that's inefficient. Humans are not going to be around in a billion years, at the rate we are going, we won't be around in 200.

      • Re:Nonsense (Score:4, Interesting)

        by saloomy ( 2817221 ) on Thursday March 04, 2021 @02:28PM (#61123896)
        What utter bullshit. We will absolutely be around in 200 years. In a billion years, we will have far surpassed the evolutionary state we are currently in and our descendants would hardly be recognized as human. We will like have expanded beyond our current solar system and established ourselves within the galaxy. Humans will not simply die because the earth got warmer, or the atmosphere gained more CO2. We have the engineering knowhow to solve those issues. It just isn't needed (yet). Maybe some people will, but our propensity to survive is very high, and within the next century, we will be among the stars.
        • Didn't people say the same thing, um, a century ago?

          • Re:Nonsense (Score:5, Insightful)

            by timeOday ( 582209 ) on Thursday March 04, 2021 @02:47PM (#61123998)
            Oh my, did you just equate 100 years to a billion years?

            A billion years ago, multicellular organisms were yet to evolve on planet Earth. It's a long time.

            • So in another Billion, we will evolve to adapt to whatever atmosphere we have.
              • Sort of. I agree with saloomy above, that a billion years is so distant that if we have any descendants, they will not resemble us at all and feel no affinity with us as forebearers, so I only question your use of the word "we."
            • Parent said "within the next century, we will be among the stars."
              People said the same thing a century ago. Didn't happen.

        • Re: Nonsense (Score:5, Insightful)

          by NagrothAgain ( 4130865 ) on Thursday March 04, 2021 @03:25PM (#61124126)
          That's just a pipedream. Maybe it'll happen but it probably won't. It wouldn't surprise me to see colonies on Mars and maybe a few other places but going outside the solar system is an entirely different level of hard. The chances of humans developing the technology to do it before we kill ourselves off is extremely small.
          • I was thinking the same thing. FTL travel is going to be hard to obtain.

            • Make that impossible unless we discover some entirely new physics.

            • You don't need FTL, I would think it more likely colony ships where you are talking multi generations to reach those stars.
              • by dryeo ( 100693 )

                How do you power them? There's only so much energy in a gram of matter, and much less of it is available through fission or fusion and antimatter matter reaction puts out nothing but gamma rays, which are a bitch to harvest.

            • You don't need FTL speed to travel large distances. As you approach light speed relative to your destination the distance to said destination shrinks to zero from your perspective.

              But it still sure as hell wouldn't be easy to do so. There are also unexpected consequences such as blue shifting EM radiation you'd encounter to energies that would destroy your ship.

          • by ediron2 ( 246908 )

            ^^^ This.

            We can know the facts of XYZ, and possess the engineering skill for a problem, but be incapable of sustainably keeping a life-sustaining space going for decades in hard vacuum. Say that again for 'economically incapable'. Say that again for getting there and failing on arrival (cargo cult, insurvivable planets, etc).

            Decades or centuries in deep space are big 'unknown unknowns', to steal a line from Rumsfeld.

          • We went from no powered flight to men on the moon in less than seventy years.

            • I would say it's more relevant that we went from early rockets in the 13th century (in China) to a moon roundtrip in 700 years.

              Airplanes don't really have much to do with it. The main innovation that enabled the Wright Brothers was the development of sufficiently lightweight and powerful piston engines, which aren't relevant to space travel. And the lift came from an airfoil wing, which is also irrelevant. Control came from warping the wing, also irrelevant.

          • We've gone from stone tools to computers and landing on the moon in 10k years, with the large majority of that progress coming in the last 200. Even if effective FTL turns out to be impossible (which we don't know nearly enough to say), it would take a lot less than a billion years to develop colony ships, where generations come and go on the ship en route; or also likely, ships that can maintain constant 1g acceleration so the time dilation puts the trip in 1-3 decades as experienced by the travelers (Andr
            • by dryeo ( 100693 )

              There's still the power requirements as there is only so much energy in a gram of matter, convert it all to energy and maybe get to 50% of light, less if you have a payload. Colony ships have a similar problem.

              • If we could ever come up with a good way to create and contain antimatter, it would be possible to meet the energy requirements. The amount required is large, but it's not like you'd need entire planets worth, it would be practical for a civilization millions of years more advanced than us.
                • by dryeo ( 100693 )

                  The problem with antimatter is the energy released is in the form of gamma rays, very hard to harvest and even then, you'd be lucky to accelerate a gram of matter to 50% light speed by burning a gram and still have to slow down at the end.
                  It takes about a year of acceleration at 1G to get close enough to light speed for relativistic effects to help and takes a lot of energy to accelerate at 1G. Currently I believe our capabilities are measured in minutes and using fission could be extended to hours.
                  I don't

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      • Re:Nonsense (Score:4, Insightful)

        by MBGMorden ( 803437 ) on Thursday March 04, 2021 @04:59PM (#61124488)

        Global warming isn't even remotely likely to result in the extinction of humans. Some other animals yes, and it could shift around what is considered prime real estate, but nah, we aren't going anywhere.

        During the Eocene period the temperature was much higher than any global warming scenario has predicted, and life was thriving during that period. It was very different life and many current animals wouldn't have time to adapt if the shift to such a climate occurred too rapidly, but humanity is about the most adaptable organism on the planet. We'll be fine. Heck even for other species human intervention in selective breeding (eg, how we do with dog breeds) or direct genetic manipulation may even allow us to bring plenty of other species along for the ride.

        • by dryeo ( 100693 )

          It depends on whether global warming leads to nuclear war, which it might well do. While nuclear war won't wipe out humanity by itself, it will set us back enough that other stuff might wipe us out.
          Then there is the biological warfare possibilities, just takes one extreme nutcase to release something really scary

    • Sure, but we could do almost anything via geoengineering, and it's irrelevant to making predictions as to what natural processes will tend toward. It also makes the huge assumption that we'll still be around in a billion years, or care if we are.

      That said, the article leaves out the most important element: Why?

      I mean, they even mention that plant life will die out some time later in response to the loss of CO2 - so presumably the oxygen is disappearing while plants are still chucking tons of oxygen into th

      • Yeah, yeah, I know - no oxygen = no oxygen fires. Slapped me upside the head as I hit the submit button. But volcanoes are still belching it out, right?

      • by flink ( 18449 )

        For that matter, why would CO2 stop entering the atmosphere? Does fire go out of style?

        The long carbon cycle involves things like CO2 going into the ocean and being sequestered in limestone or by dead plants getting buried in peat bogs and the like. Basically not all the carbon consumed by plant respiration is returned to the atmosphere through fire or decomposition. This is gradually replaced by weathering rock and volcanic activity. However, as time goes by and less new rock is exposed due to Earth becoming less tectonically active, overall CO2 levels will drop as more carbon is sequeste

    • Re:Nonsense (Score:4, Informative)

      by Areyoukiddingme ( 1289470 ) on Thursday March 04, 2021 @03:11PM (#61124080)

      We have plenty of time to maintain status quos through terraforming and geo-engineering projects.

      Who's this 'we'? There will be nothing remotely resembling humans living on Earth in a billion years. Either we'll be extinct or we'll have evolved into something unrecognizable.

      Eugenicists like to complain that humans have stopped evolving. They're fooling themselves. We haven't. Our DNA is just as subject to transcription errors as it ever was. The mutations are inevitable, they are happening, and they are changing us, whether we're aware of it or not. Over geological timescales like this, we will either be gone or be something else.

      It's a moot point anyway. It just adds a little color to the inevitable end of Earth, physically. If we understand main sequence stars correctly, the heating modeled in the paper is just the precursor to the expansion of Sol into a red giant, which will engulf the planet in nuclear fire, stripping it of all fluids entirely, and eventually eating away the rock itself. The drag of the plasma surrounding it will inevitably decay Earth's orbit until it falls into Sol and gets incorporated into a plasma sludge that will one day become a white dwarf after Sol burps off its outer layers in an explosion so tepid by stellar standards that astrophysicists don't bother calling it a nova.

      But there won't be anything human around to care.

  • by wooloohoo ( 7650808 ) on Thursday March 04, 2021 @01:52PM (#61123736)
    Start stockpiling oxygen now, before it's too late!
    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by fred6666 ( 4718031 )

      I have some to sell you for cheap. I even give you N2 and CO2 (among others) for free with any purchase. I can deliver worldwide, instantly. No refunds tho.

      • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

        by wooloohoo ( 7650808 )
        Shut up and take my money!
  • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Thursday March 04, 2021 @01:55PM (#61123744)
    we've got bigger problems. Or we're extinct.
    • ...or either we or plants will have evolved - either naturally or through technological help - to cope.
    • Last 40,000 years (Score:4, Interesting)

      by Laxator2 ( 973549 ) on Thursday March 04, 2021 @03:18PM (#61124112)

      It we think about the fact that "anatomically modern humans" appeared about 40K years ago, we can speculate about how humans will look in 40,000 years from now. As a species, we do evolve.
      Then look at 4 million years ago (I believe "Lucy" is that old) and then extrapolate how humans may look 4 million years in the future.
      Then extrapolate to 1B years.

      • I looked it up and a billion years gets us into the precambrian, so in another billion years life on earth could go as far as from single cells back to multicellular life like us again, so you could presumably get into all sorts of interesting sci fi situations up to some sort of eusocial vertebrate colony organism that behaves as a unit better than modern human societies.
      • If we last anywhere close to even a million years never mind a billion I doubt we'll still be biological, or at least not naturally evolved biology so guessing what we'd look like- if we look like anything, we could be a dispersed consciousness is some machine network - is pointless.

  • What about Venus? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Dasher42 ( 514179 ) on Thursday March 04, 2021 @01:55PM (#61123746)

    What about Venus' atmosphere, which is 96.5% carbon dioxide? At what point does that break down? Why hasn't it begun already?

    • by cusco ( 717999 )

      Probably albedo, the sulfuric acid droplets in the clouds make it one of the most reflective bodies in the solar system. That's also why global warming wasn't being seen on Earth in the 1970s, the sulfur dioxide from the coal plants increased our albedo. When we started scrubbing the sulfur dioxide out of the smokestack emissions to eliminate acid rain we started seeing warming.

    • by eriks ( 31863 )

      Only guessing, but I'd imagine it is breaking down, but the atmosphere of Venus is ~90 times the density of Earth's atmosphere, so there's that much more CO2. As you say, the atmosphere of Venus is 96.5% CO2, whereas Earth's is ~%.04 CO2 so Venus has (roughly) 225,000 times the CO2 that Earth does. Also the solar radiation doesn't penetrate very far into the atmosphere, and there's no reactive gases, like oxygen (I dunno really, still only guessing), so it'll take a while... Probably a lot longer than 1 bi

  • Um... evolution? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Okian Warrior ( 537106 ) on Thursday March 04, 2021 @01:56PM (#61123748) Homepage Journal

    carbon dioxide levels will become so low that photosynthesising organisms -- including plants -- will be unable to survive and produce oxygen

    Don't life forms adapt to changing conditions? I seem to recall someone writing a book about that...

    • To a point, sure. But a million times less oxygen? That may be tricky.

      Presuming of course we haven't killed ourselves off by then, through the ongoing pretense that some are entitled to rule over others, and therefore to rob, enslave and murder them if they so choose, without the latter's voluntary, informed, and revocable consent.

    • Populations can adapt, providing change is slow. The mass extinction even due to the Great Oxygenation Event was a rapid increase in oxygen, which many species simply did not have time to adapt to. Even if it takes a few hundred thousand years for oxygen levels to drop, that will likely wipe out most organisms. Further, higher oxygen levels are largely responsible for why larger and more active species exist, and without that metabolic pathway, I'd argue most of the multicellular organisms we see today simp

    • by hey! ( 33014 )

      Sometimes the progeny of a life form adapt. Quite often they become extinct and are supplanted by better adapted organisms.

      So don't imagine something that looks like a human but has somehow evolved to not need oxygen. Imagine humans replaced by sheets formed of colonies of anaerobic bacteria. As far as nature is concerned one is just as good a way to generate entropy as another.

    • by quantaman ( 517394 ) on Thursday March 04, 2021 @02:32PM (#61123914)

      carbon dioxide levels will become so low that photosynthesising organisms -- including plants -- will be unable to survive and produce oxygen

      Don't life forms adapt to changing conditions? I seem to recall someone writing a book about that...

      Look at deserts, there is life, but it's very limited compared to the rain forest. And deserts are literally surrounded by thriving ecosystems filled with selective pressure to fill in that big empty landscape.

      There's things that evolution can adapt to, and things it can't. A massive shortage of one of the basic ingredients of life (water, CO2, O2) tend to be one of the things it can't adapt to.

      • People seem to forget that evolution takes time. It's one thing to adapt to a changing environment over a thousand years. It's quite another to have some careless moronic stuckup biped come and raze your forest within a decade.

      • There's things that evolution can adapt to, and things

        it's still working on

    • Don't life forms adapt to changing conditions? I seem to recall someone writing a book about that...

      In theory, we wouldn't even need to adapt. If we spent the next billion years carefully shepherding an asteroid back and forth between here and Jupiter, we could nudge the Earth's orbit out to keep things ideal as the sun increases its output.

      However, given the many shortcomings of the human species (especially in the areas of working together to tackle long-term threats, managing weaponizable technologies, or even keeping a stable civilization going for more than a couple of centuries), I think that the od

    • by Sloppy ( 14984 )

      Many go extinct, but yes, so far something has always survived changes.

      It seems pretty reasonable that a billion years from now, almost no (or absolutely no) of the life forms with which you're familiar will still exist, just as they didn't exist a billion years ago. Something (even if it's just extremophile archaea) which is adapted to the conditions of the time may very well be around, though, and if so, it will have descended from something that is alive today (assuming no interstellar immigrants).

      A bill

    • Sure there was lots of anaerobic life before the oxygenation event, and there'll be some of it here after the oxygen is gone. It doesn't mean that many current eukarya will adapt, but stuff like lichens likely would.
  • Too Soon (Score:3, Funny)

    by stringliteral ( 7840182 ) on Thursday March 04, 2021 @01:56PM (#61123750)
    It was going to be the year of Linux on the desktop!
  • If there's not enough CO2 in the atmosphere in a billion years, we can always just go back to burning coal or oil. Assuming we switch to primarily renewable sources over the next century or two, there should probably be plenty of biomass that's accumulated into new and easily accessible sources of fossil fuels by then. Just make a law requiring cryptocurrency miners to only use non-green energy and it shouldn't be a problem.
    • Surface temperatures alone at that point would be difficult to survive. Emitting extra CO2 would only exacerbate this issue. Hell, the very reason for low CO2 levels will be the temperature.
  • Next (Score:5, Funny)

    by Impy the Impiuos Imp ( 442658 ) on Thursday March 04, 2021 @02:04PM (#61123782) Journal

    the huge reduction in oxygen. "The drop in oxygen is very, very extreme -- we're talking around a million times less oxygen than there is today," says Reinhard.

    And politicians will still be using up most of it.

  • by mcnster ( 2043720 ) on Thursday March 04, 2021 @02:07PM (#61123798)
    ... they didn't have a Space Program.
  • by lsllll ( 830002 ) on Thursday March 04, 2021 @02:21PM (#61123864)
    In a billion years, either we'll all be dead, or we'll have a billion alternative planets to live on.
  • Here's a Forbes piece from 8 years ago, covering the same thing, and moving the needle down to 500 million years left (not a Billion) before the sun cooks the planet to a crisp. https://www.forbes.com/sites/b... [forbes.com]
    • by lsllll ( 830002 )
      I haven't projections based on models for our current climate change trends, but I suspect a couple of them will move the needle point down to 5 centuries "if we keep up our carbon emissions."
  • by Anne Thwacks ( 531696 ) on Thursday March 04, 2021 @02:32PM (#61123918)
    A billion years?

    These is plenty of time for other things to go wrong first!

  • Those darn anaerobic bacteria are just rubbing their little hands (so to speak) with glee... "Just you wait, oxygen-breathers... just you wait..."

  • ...he's absolutely going to blame it on greedy selfish white Republicans driving SUVs, you know, like the last climatological trend that he anthropified.

  • I feel like telling the entire team who came out with this report with "Thanks Tips."

    But at the same time, this is why science is cool. A billion years from now, if humanity is alive, (a big IF), I'm sure we'll be able to terraform our planet to ensure it'll survive any changes in a few hours...well, maybe a week.

    That said, I'm sure by then we'll have Venus, Mars, maybe a few planets around Jupiter and Saturn setup for habitation by the species in our planet. Because, as humans, we value pet companionshi
  • "... Lack of Oxygen in a Billion Years"

    I'm busy now. Would it be too late if I respond tomorrow?
  • Earth spaceship need change orbits by then

  • A billion years is a long time, I wouldn't hold your breath.

  • Lets just split it... faster than lightening.

  • At least we were warned.
  • Walmart shoppers start hording O2 supplies - Walmart considers limiting each shopper to just one cart full per visit.

  • If the earth makes it till then without any extinction level events I would be shocked. Even if humans don't cause it their are so many other natural and astrological things that are likely to go wrong before then.
  • Sorry, I panicked for a moment. I wasn't paying close attention and I thought TFS said we'd run out of oxygen in a million years. Whew! Not to worry- it's a BILLION years!

  • I think that might be a problem before the earth runs out of oxygen. Even anaerobic bacteria need liquid water.

  • I bet in 500,000 years, AMD will be slightly faster than Nvidia.
  • In a billion years the earth will have easily surpassed threshold for "hothouse" runaway. Even if you could breath it wouldn't make much difference when surface temperatures are measured in thousands of degrees.

    Technology exists today to regulate earths temperature on these timescales slowly changing its orbit by preferentially perturbing the paths of a manageable number of asteroids each century.

  • Please don't tell the Doom Goblin : she will lose the plot completely

  • You've stolen my childhood.
  • ...ah, a billion, whew! -- for a moment I thought you said a million.

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