Lancet Study Finds 40% of US COVID-19 Deaths Could Have Been Avoided (slate.com) 337
phalse phace shares a report from Slate: The British medical journal the Lancet, on Wednesday, published a damning assessment of Donald Trump's presidency and its impact on Americans' health, concluding that 40 percent of the nearly 500,000 COVID-19 deaths in the U.S. over the past year were avoidable. The journal came to the conclusion by comparing the U.S. health outcomes on the coronavirus -- the country leads the world in COVID deaths and confirmed cases with more than 27 million -- with the weighted average of other G-7 nations. So it's not a wildly abstract conclusion to draw: the U.S. could have saved hundreds of thousands of lives if it had just performed similarly to its economic peers.
The report assailed Trump for his response to the pandemic, but emphasized that the disastrous response to the virus's spread was the result of years of destructive public policy decisions on health that extended well beyond the Trump years. From the Lancet: "Many of the cases and deaths were avoidable. Instead of galvanizing the U.S. populace to fight the pandemic, President Trump publicly dismissed its threat (despite privately acknowledging it), discouraged action as infection spread, and eschewed international cooperation. His refusal to develop a national strategy worsened shortages of personal protective equipment and diagnostic tests. President Trump politicized mask-wearing and school reopenings and convened indoor events attended by thousands, where masks were discouraged and physical distancing was impossible."
The report assailed Trump for his response to the pandemic, but emphasized that the disastrous response to the virus's spread was the result of years of destructive public policy decisions on health that extended well beyond the Trump years. From the Lancet: "Many of the cases and deaths were avoidable. Instead of galvanizing the U.S. populace to fight the pandemic, President Trump publicly dismissed its threat (despite privately acknowledging it), discouraged action as infection spread, and eschewed international cooperation. His refusal to develop a national strategy worsened shortages of personal protective equipment and diagnostic tests. President Trump politicized mask-wearing and school reopenings and convened indoor events attended by thousands, where masks were discouraged and physical distancing was impossible."
Well, at least he managed one thing (Score:3, Insightful)
Trump has an absolutely impressive death-count that he is responsible for. I guess he felt he had to compensate somehow for starting no wars.
Re:Well, at least he managed one thing (Score:4, Insightful)
Can't fault him for not trying though right? He almost got his wish for a civil war.
Re:Well, at least he managed one thing (Score:5, Informative)
The con artist might not have started any wars, but he sure did crank up the drone strikes [bbc.com] and cause more civilian deaths than Obama. In fact, he had so many drone strikes causing so many civilian deaths, he revoked another Obama-ear rule which required reporting of said strikes and their civilian casualties.
Re:Well, at least he managed one thing (Score:5, Insightful)
Interesting. I had missed that completely. So mass-killer not only by lying and bad management, but also by direct order.
Re:Well, at least he managed one thing (Score:5, Informative)
Yep. Trump did more drone strikes in two years than Obama did in eight [suntimes.com], and then as per your link, he rescinded Obama's order to make information on those strikes transparent so we don't know how many more he's done since. But it's safest to assume he kept up about the same pace throughout, or even increased them, because why else would you reduce transparency? The only reasonable reason you'd do that is to hide your war crimes.
Re: Well, at least he managed one thing (Score:5, Informative)
And then Trump fucked over the FSA and the Kurds, virtually ensuring Assad would remain in power.
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Hereâ(TM)s a few presidential things Trump did: [...] signs order [...] signs bill [...] signs order [...] [repeat]
So what you're saying is that Trump's major achievements were that he was able to write his name on papers prepared by others. Signing stuff as a president is not an "achievement". It's part of the job. Anybody with a minimal level of literacy (and not dead) can sign his name. As to Trump, a stencil with his signature could well have had the same "achievements", and surely caused fewer problems to America and the world.
In reality, if you look at real policy successes, the Trump administration's four years c
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Thanks. You are correct, of course.
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Trump has an absolutely impressive death-count that he is responsible for. I guess he felt he had to compensate somehow for starting no wars.
So why isn't there a coffin shortage ?
Is this a serious question?
Re:Well, at least he managed one thing (Score:5, Informative)
So why isn't there a coffin shortage ?
There is a coffin shortage [wset.com]*, you fucking numpty. My friend who's a mortician posted about it on Fb almost a month ago. They also relaxed emissions controls on crematoriums [cnn.com] because they otherwise couldn't burn up bodies fast enough. Learn to google before you shoot your ignorant mouth off.
* The shortage is also affecting California mortuaries.
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So? Trump has a leadership position and is expected to lead by example. Whether it is 200k US citizens whose blood he has on his hands or 100k or 50k is really immaterial. He did exactly the wrong things over and over again and he _knew_ he was doing the wrong thing because he got informed about the realities of the situation very early on. His decision to not wear a mask alone qualifies him as intentional mass-killer. The guy is a psychopath that does not value the lives of others one bit.
Ooh, ooh, do Boris Johnson next! (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Ooh, ooh, do Boris Johnson next! (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Ooh, ooh, do Boris Johnson next! (Score:5, Insightful)
I don't know why, public enquiries tend to be whitewashes. The government limits to scope to protect themselves, and then tells us "lessons must be learned" before throwing the final report in the shredder.
The UK is basically fucked because there is no accountability for anything. Homicidal incompetence and corruption, and no consequences.
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Homicidal incompetence and corruption, and no consequences.
Ah, glad to see that they managed to keep at least the important parts of their former empire. ;)
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Except they don't. Press releases by Government officials may put a slant on things, but the investigations are pretty thorough.
The Lancet was always going to recommend an inquiry, and would have no matter who'd done what, and rightly so. Without investigating what flaws and lacks there are in staffing levels, supply chains, axioms on which to make decisions and so on, things would never improve. That's essentially adding a layer of science and improvement to the process. It'll be tough on anyone holdin
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When was the last time a public enquiry was timely and had meaningful consequences?
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Have they checked themselves first? (Score:3)
So did the Lancet ever study the preventable deaths if they hadn't published the infamous "vaccines cause autism" study that was later retracted? Because I think it's only fair that they clean their own house first, no? I mean, they only kicked off a global vaccine-denialism movement...
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Re:Ooh, ooh, do Boris Johnson next! (Score:5, Informative)
Well we in the UK actually managed to go into fucking lockdown, and adhere to it, and wear masks pretty much all the time whilst in shops.
Yet the UK's death rate exceeds even that of America.
UK: 174 deaths per 100k
US: 147 deaths per 100k
Covid Tracker [cnn.com]
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Yes, it really does. In New York, for example, the transmission was hellish, and healthcare was overwhelmed. Out in the rural areas, it wasn't so bad.
The UK really is densely populated, and highly urbanised (both are significant transmission factors in epidemiology).
However, the sparseness of population in rural USA does confound the picture quite a bit, and when it was factored in, it wasn't as bad as some people are inclined to claim, but it was a worse response than Europe. A fair part of this, I put
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I suspect a lot of European countries do. Even the Czech Republic, which everyone was pointing to during the spring as the European success story which showed all the other countries in Europe should've done better, has a death rate very similar to that of the UK.
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Re:Ooh, ooh, do Boris Johnson next! (Score:5, Informative)
Not just the highest death rate, but also the worst economic hit in the G7.
Early on Boris Johnson didn't take COVID seriously. He skipped security meetings, went around shaking hands with the infected (and subsequently got infected himself), and delayed starting lockdown for as long as possible.
Later his government was too eager to restart the economy, with disastrous policies like "Eat Out to Help Out" causing thousands of deaths. His attempt to "save Christmas", against all the expert advice, cost at least 18,000 lives.
Worse still Tory corruption hamstrung us and made controlling the virus impossible. The most high profile example is the failed Test & Trace system. It's cost at least £22 billion so far, and doesn't work. Local efforts were far more effective, but the Tories decided they wanted to funnel cash to their pals. They put Dido Harding in charge, a woman with a reputation for serial incompetence and no relevant experience. Recently she claimed that "nobody could have predicted the virus would mutate"...
Our healthcare workers didn't have enough PPE either, because the government failed to stockpile it and when it was needed gave dodgy contracts to their mates. The Health Secretary gave one to his next-door neighbour. They actually had a system set up were if you knew a Tory MP you could bypass the usual procurement checks and get millions in contracts, much of which was then spaffed on unusable PPE.
Re:Ooh, ooh, do Boris Johnson next! (Score:4, Interesting)
Early on, Johnson did take COVID seriously, except there wasn't enough information on presence in the population to state what was going on, how it was transmitted, what its level was in the population, or anything that would allow a correct response to be made.
The research was rapidly done by many epidemiology centres nationwide (and world wide) to come up with a plan that'd actually work without a scorched earth response. The general plan from Imperial College was followed pretty solidly, and that was about the best info that was around at the time; it gave plans for when economies could be re-opened (so people could perhaps have jobs to go back to once this is done), and was lapsed again when trigger points were met that said "At this point, things need to be shut down".
We did, of course have all those days where we had a bit of sun, and people (of all political persuasions) went out to beaches and nice places and masses, which didn't help one bit. This whole COVID event has been a real "Power to the People" moment, and after seeing it in action, I think many people shouldn't be trusted with scissors, let alone anything more.
Do you have a medical reference for the Christmas opening a little of the bubbles costing 18000 lives by the way? I've not seen that in the figure projections.
On the test and trace, you really don't get attempting to do things that've not been done before, do you? This was an attempt to get something working from zero on a national scale, with quite a few pressure groups on digital rights breathing down and putting in legal challenges in that need fielding on a regular basis. Speaking as someone at a local hospital, I can guarantee you that there isn't the capacity there to handle COVID tracking. Not even to attempt it at the scale test and trace has been trying for, so that's a complete red herring, and showing a lack of understanding on your part of how things actually work.
As to "Nobody could have predicted the virus would mutate", nobody does know if, or when, a virus will mutate. It wasn't a certainty as it was pretty damn effective from the get go. Now, we're starting to get the information about mutation rates as it actually mutates. That's what science IS. You observe and then build up evidence and models to fit observations (and have those continually disputed and refined as they go)..
Working in healthcare, I saw how PPE was rationed, where it went, why it went, the policies in place, where the supply chains had problems and so on, and it was nothing at all to do with your assertions (which, as usual on these matters, are based on vitriol and ignorance).
And given that everyone knows who the MPs are, anyone could get the supply lines working if they had the contacts. I know people who actually got off their arses and did just this. No 'mates channels' to it, they sorted out supply lines, and got them working where the regular ones failed. It bypassed regular procurement as it was decided it was better to try and get things in through any channel to save lives at perhaps an extra cost while otherwise there was no supply, so saving lives.
For someone who on a technical basis can be spot on, I really despair of what you write, and your general prejudice, when anything remotely political comes about.
Re:Ooh, ooh, do Boris Johnson next! (Score:4, Interesting)
Bunking off COBRA meetings is not taking it seriously. Delaying every lockdown long past the point where medical science says it should have started is not "doing everything we could".
Giving out contracts on the basis of who is your chum and who donated to the Tory party is corruption, not protecting people.
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On Test & Trace, we had working systems. Local efforts were reaching 95%+ of contacts. Local people with local knowledge, able to visit in person if needs be, run by local councils.
The national system, run by Serco, was reaching about 45% of people. It was new for the UK, but other countries had already got working systems in place and were happy to share the knowledge. South Korea, for example, which also used a local system.
Testing capacity was also limited by Serco, not by the NHS. The bottleneck was
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Sadly it is. We have a Chumocracy, it's all about who you know. In fact it's mostly about the Tories, and if you know any of them. When you look at who the contracts went to, who was put in charge of running things like Test & Trace and the vaccine roll-out, it's all Tory wives and husbands, chums of Tories, Tory donors...
PPE companies were actually having to lay people off in the North because they couldn't get contracts due to lack of Tory chums.
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Two countries outright attempting to prove to the other that they are the kings of incompetence.
The best part is by including each other in the G7 analysis, along with Italy whose first wave had an insanely high deathtoll on account of being the first in the west to get hit it makes these incompetent idiots look better. It's a like a football team walking in on a chess match and declaring that the average IQ in the room is only 80 so they aren't much worse than the chess kids.
Compared to the G7 40% of USA d
Re:Ooh, ooh, do Boris Johnson next! (Score:5, Insightful)
Compared to the G7 40% of USA deaths could have been avoided. Cool. Now compare it to actual competent countries which showed leadership and enacted public policy.
No, that's why this comparison is perfect. The USA isn't a competent country with effective leadership. It's a clusterfuck where people whose goal is to tear down government wind up in control of it regularly because the system was designed to give slave states more voting power than progressive ones.
Re: Ooh, ooh, do Boris Johnson next! (Score:2)
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While that's true, we're not done yet.
The UK got off to a bad start, seemed to get its shit together, then got absolutely hammered. The last bit of that might be due to the new variant. If so, the rest of us are in for a rough next few months.
Re: Ooh, ooh, do Boris Johnson next! (Score:2)
Re: Ooh, ooh, do Boris Johnson next! (Score:2)
Re:Ooh, ooh, do Boris Johnson next! (Score:5, Informative)
Not a "fetish". Trump just managed to screw so many things up, writing about all his failures will take years.
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So why have deaths gone up since Biden took office?
You really have no idea how viruses spread do you guruevi?
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You really have no idea how viruses spread do you guruevi?
It’s actually more hilarious than that, almost to the day [npr.org] Biden took office, new cases plummeted quickly, and since deaths lag by several weeks, they are now starting to fall off too. It’s not trumps fault though, who knew having a competent national response plan to a pandemic was even needed at all?!?
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It's worth noting that the daily new cases average [worldometers.info] shows three clear peaks, each higher than the last, around Nov 22, Dec 15, Jan 11 - roughly three weeks after Hallowe'en, Thanksgiving, and Christmas. The death rate average trails those peaks by a week or two, as usual.
This is just as was [nbcnews.com] predicted [usnews.com]. It was likewise predicted that infection rates would slow down after the holiday spreader events, and that would've happened regardless of the president.
The current drop in both is encouraging, so maybe Biden's
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Are you serious? If so, I advise getting a minimal clue how this thing works and what the delays involved are.
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What changed between Biden and Trump that will solve this whole thing?
Trump didn't order enough vaccine doses, Biden did [theguardian.com].
Yes, it's just that simple.
Re:Ooh, ooh, do Boris Johnson next! (Score:5, Insightful)
Ayup, the media fetish with Trump is getting really, really, really booooring.
So you're saying we shouldn't look at our failures and determine what went wrong?
Then again, that does fully explain the con artist whose businesses have repeatedly gone bankrupt and he's on his third failed marriage. He never learns from his mistakes.
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Ayup, the media fetish with Trump is getting really, really, really booooring.
By the way - has anyone seen Kamala Harris' birth certificate?
Dead horse (Score:2, Insightful)
WTF.. that ship has sailed, hind sight is 20/20. Exactly how POTUS could have prevented 40% of covid death is subjective. That ship has sailed.
What isn't subjective is why, when our President told us the priority was to solve all the issues involving the pandemic, our legislators are distracted by beating that dead horse instead of focusing on the main tenant of the platform of his campaign.
Do something that provides utility for the people that elected you, the fucking horse is dead. Get your fucking prior
Re:Dead horse (Score:5, Insightful)
Analysing the mistakes of the past is not beating a dead horse. Unless it is you are an anti-intellectual and go out of your way not to learn from them.
Re:Dead horse (Score:5, Insightful)
Because if an example is not set another president, or even the same if you are so stupid to re-elect him the next time, could do the same. Would your attitude be the same if, for example, Obama had rallied a crowd to march on the capitol? And if the Obama crowd had injured hundreds of police officers in the process, etc? If you think something is unfair, think how it would be unfair if it was applied the other way round.
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''Would your attitude be the same if''
''Joe Biden and Kamala Harris signaled that there were four urgent, out-of-the-gate priorities'' Covid, the economy, racial equity and climate change http://www.bu.edu/articles/202... [bu.edu]
Which one says spend time and effort on a second impeachment, of a President no longer in office, because it will benefit the people that elected us better than the above priorities?
There are more important priorities that actually effect people, even owning the majority in both houses, are
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Hey Genius! Biden didn't impeach trump, and has nothing to do with the impeachment proceedings. Those Are His Administrations priorities. Go find another talking point you can't grasp, this ones a dry hole.
Re:Dead horse (Score:4, Insightful)
Now, Trump tried his hardest to exert control over the others because from a business world where he was from (and more specifically a private business world without being beholden to stockholders and executive boards), the president is effectively king. But that is not what the US government is and was designed SPECIFICALLY TO PREVENT THIS. The legislature can do whatever they want, not only what the President wants. They can even enact laws without the consent of the President and above and over the President's objections. THAT is the government the USA has, not the dictatorship of a monarchy or military dictator. The government as a whole doesn't jump and ask how high or for how long when the President says to do so in the USA (a portion will, but not all of it, and that is the whole point of the setup).
So, now that you have a 2nd grader's Civic's lesson on the USA government and that there are three separate but equal branches, you will then know that the President's agenda, isn't the same as the government's agenda. And that a branch of the government that was just under assault a couple weeks ago might feel that they have different priorities when hundreds of police were injured and some killed protecting that branch of government from a mob that the head of another branch of the government created (and there is no denying that he created it because he tweeted about it for weeks to get people to come).
Re: Dead horse (Score:2)
Right-wing sheep like you are pathetic.
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Re:Dead horse (Score:4, Interesting)
WTF.. that ship has sailed, hind sight is 20/20.
It's not hindsight. We knew at the time what he was doing wrong.
Exactly how POTUS could have prevented 40% of covid death is subjective.
We knew that at the time, too. For instance, he could have instituted a quarantine requirement for passengers returning from China instead of simply waving them past customs if they were a US national.
our legislators are distracted by beating that dead horse instead of focusing on the main tenant of the platform of his campaign.
That's "tenet". Don't use words you don't understand. It only proves that you talk without knowing what you're talking about.
Do something that provides utility for the people that elected you
You mean like preventing insurrectionist and general piece of shit Cheeto Mussolini from ever holding office again? That would have provided utility. Unfortunately, Republicans have no fucking morals whatsoever.
Comparing to G7 (Score:5, Interesting)
It seems odd to use G7 here, since so many of them blew it (as compared to countries outside G7):
Italy got hard hit in the beginning due to being one of the first hit spots - this aint really their fault, but they are worse off than most others due to it.
France are unusually much in favor of homeotherapy and against vacs. They have done okish so far, but I fear they will get worse now.
UK has Boris, basically similar to Trump. Basically, everything is done a bit too late.
US had Trump as the summary highlights (and are unusually much against vacs, like France, but for typically more religious reasons).
Canada, Germany and Japan did more or less ok.
Like, the average of other devolped countries are much better than this.
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It's pretty amazing that taking the average of the G7 still gives 40%. Each of the developed countries should compare themselves to New Zealand, Australia and Japan, and plan to do much better next time.
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All those countries did horribly compared to every single East Asian country, by the way. Even though the virus started in East Asia.
Coronavirus pandemic (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Coronavirus pandemic (Score:4, Insightful)
You don't seriously believe that do you?
Nobody could have seen it coming is something you could possibly get away with, Trump (like many politicians) made it worse by denying undeniable facts.
He made it worse, there is no question, just check the facts.
Statistics and lies (Score:2, Insightful)
> the country leads the world in COVID deaths and confirmed cases with more than 27 million -- with the weighted average of other G-7 nations
That's the thing with statistics. They can be crafted to produce any conclusion you want.
Looking at this overview, at the time of writing, US is listed 9th when sorted by "Deaths / 1M pop", or 7th if you ignore the micro states. Belgium has about 25% more deaths per population.
https://www.worldometers.info/... [worldometers.info]
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I guess "there are seven to nine countries worse than us" is a step up from the usual "well, China is worse!"
Physician, Heal Thyself (Score:2)
How much blame goes to the medical establishment?
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/2... [cnbc.com]
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.or... [hopkinsmedicine.org]
Makary defines a death due to medical error as one that is caused by inadequately skilled staff, error in judgment or care, a system defect or a preventable adverse effect. This includes computer breakdowns, mix-ups with the doses or types of medications administered to patients and surgical complications that go undiagnosed.
“Currently the CDC uses a deaths collection system that only tallies causes of death occurring from diseases, morbid conditions, and injuries,” Makary stated in a letter urging the CDC to change the way it collects the nation’s vital health statistics.
“It’s the system more than the individuals that is to blame,” Makary said. The U.S. patient-care study, which was released in 2016, explored death-rate data for eight consecutive years. The researchers discovered that based on a total of 35,416,020 hospitalizations, there was a pooled incidence rate of 251,454 deaths per year — or about 9.5 percent of all deaths — that stemmed from medical error.
Now, two years later, Makary said he hasn’t seen the needle move much.
“Medical-care workers are dedicated, caring people,” said Chris Jerry, “but they’re human. And human beings make mistakes.” According to him, the day Emily was given her fatal dose, the hospital pharmacy was short-staffed, the pharmacy computer was not properly working, and there was a backlog of physician orders.
Afterward Chris said he discovered that pharmacy technicians, rather than well-trained and educated pharmacists, are compounding nearly all of the IV medications for patients. And many states have no requirements, or proof of competency, for these pharmacy technicians.
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The practice of medicine has a *lot* of catching up to do with modern professional practice, and that failure is the third biggest killer (fourth in 2020 behind COVID). But it's not really that different in the comparator countries.
Lancet == Surgisphere (Score:2, Insightful)
The Lancet has proven itself untrustworthy and highly political. The Surgisphere debacle proved exactly where they stand on the Pandemic, and it's for making political hay, not science.
I'll skip this study and encourage people to look elsewhere for actual science. Judging by the comments here it sounds like not much has changed.
And, yes, a quarter million Americans probably died from politics and profit this year. Just to expect to find out WHY in the Lancet.
I gotta wonder... (Score:2, Interesting)
Trump didn't have as much authority (Score:2, Troll)
The USA is a federation of 50 semi-sovereign states. The President literally doesn't have the constitutional authority to impose lockdowns for something like COVID-19. If Florida wants to remain open, there is nothing that the President can do. If Cuomo wants to stuff retirement homes with infected, he has little authority to stop him. The only a
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The only authority the President has is to curtail interstate movement and commerce.
Have you jokers noticed that Biden isn't doing much more than restricting interstate travel? That's because Biden doesn't want to play the role of dictator who guarantees his impeachment if the Republicans win a majority in 2022.
It would never get that far. The courts would strike it down, and he would have no one to carry out the order.
The courts would strike what down? A valid argument to use the 25th Amendment?
Speaking of never get that far, you can stop pretending even Democrats expect him to last four years.
Could have he won with a better response? (Score:4, Interesting)
I wonder if the pandemic significantly killed more Trump voters and if, had he taken it seriously and provided the right response, he could have had the few missing votes in the key states. Did he just lose because he killed his supporters?
Re:Could have he won with a better response? (Score:5, Insightful)
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On the other hand ... (Score:2)
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Eat healthy and exercise (Score:2)
Get your own house in order first (Score:2)
According to Our World in Data [ourworldindata.org], the per-capita deaths in the UK are 1,716 per million versus 1,450 in the US. They might want to address that before telling other countries we're doing a bad job.
For those who like data, here are some others: Italy, 1,540; France: 1,240; Sweden: 1,230; Switzerland: 1,130; Austria: 900; Canada: 560. This doesn't account for how different countries decide what to report as a Covid death so take the numbers with a grain of salt.
I mean, the US might be doing a terrible job. Or i
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The first world drags sickly people into that age range, the third world until quite recently did not. Europe until the 1920 killed off the weak very quickly also. Ther
Re:So like... (Score:5, Insightful)
And yet half the country voted for Trump again. Who comes first? The chicken or the egg?
There are fundamental problems that need to be fixed in the US and both parties clowning around is merely the symptom of them.
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felixrising observed:
The people get the government they deserve...
Actually, the full quote is:
Democracy is the theory that people should get the government they deserve - and get it good and hard ...
- H. L. Menchken
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"Toute nation a le gouvernement qu'elle mérite."
(Every nation gets the government it deserves)
- Joseph de Maistre
"The government you elect is the government you deserve."
- Thomas Jefferson
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard."
- H.L. Mencken
Re:So like... (Score:5, Insightful)
You aren't familiar with the Southern Strategy it seems, where the Republicans cozied up to the racists and wannabe slavers while the Democrats did the opposite. In other words, they essentially swapped political causes.
It seems that Republicans was just fine taking up causes that are racist to pander to certain demographics while the Democrats was actually willing to learn and progress from their original beliefs.
So I have to wonder, what party regressed to such a degree that they are the current party of racists and traitors?
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Re:Andrew Cuomo (Score:5, Insightful)
Is laughing.
Really?
Cuomo is going to need every bit of his I'm-the-awesomest-pandemic-leader book revenue to pay for his legal defense related to his Screw-Grandma-N-Grandpa nursing home policy during a highly-infectious pandemic.
If he doesn't face charges, then the world will fully understand, just how fucking corrupt New York is. Corruption may run the world now, but there is a social limit when it comes to Arrogance killing innocent people.
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to his Screw-Grandma-N-Grandpa nursing home policy
Why? That's exactly what Texas Lt. Governor Dan Patrick said. Grandparents are willing to die [nymag.com] so companies can make their next quarterly numbers.
This is another case where Republicans get exactly what they want, and aren't happy about it.
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to his Screw-Grandma-N-Grandpa nursing home policy
Why? That's exactly what Texas Lt. Governor Dan Patrick said. Grandparents are willing to die [nymag.com] so companies can make their next quarterly numbers.
This is another case where Republicans get exactly what they want, and aren't happy about it.
This really isn't helpful. I get that, currently, the majority of Republicans seem to be behaving like enemies of America. There were, however plenty of honourable Republican officials who stood up for the integrity of the US elections. With one exception, every single judge that Trump placed, and many more who were republicans, looked at the lies he was telling and refused
Yes, most Republican governors messed up much more than Cuomo, so bringing him up in a discussion about Trump is a stupid distraction
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Yes, most Republican governors messed up much more than Cuomo, so bringing him up in a discussion about Trump is a stupid distraction
How? New Jersey and New York still lead the country in deaths per million [beckershos...review.com]. It's been widely known this was due to Cuomo's disastrous nursing home policy since well before it was let slip they were lying about the impact. You can claim Republican governors made mistakes, which they surely did, but the data show their states are mostly in the middle of the pack.
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What republican governor screwed up worse than Cuomo? Iâ(TM)m not aware of any. Florida is a good comparison to New York - except the population skews older - and theyâ(TM)ve had fewer deaths than New York without the harsh lockdowns. A large number of early cases there were from people fleeing New York.
Nobody who blames Trump and doesnâ(TM)t mention Cuomo is serious. We now know that Cuomo hid nursing home deaths. Weâ(TM)ve known all along that many if not most of those deaths were
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Adjust your death numbers per capita and report back.
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I have followed Florida and New York quite closely as I have close family in both places. I've done some very rough preliminary work on Texas as well.
I have used weighted averages considering (per municipality):
- by municipality (via public record)
- population densi
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yeah fuck your both sides bullshit.
Oh, so it's a Civil War you really want? No? Why not? You earned it with that fucking attitude.
Screw your my-side-is-better arrogance for continuing to champion bullshit that Americans shouldn't tolerate. You can stop pretending 21st Century American politics of any flavor, is actually helping America.
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FUCK YOU
Way to confirm the parents point.
I'd recommend next time you offer an actual rebuttal, but you really don't have one in this case.
No one does.
The world was unprepared for this pandemic, but certain countries were corruptly unprepared. The parent also forgot to mention decades of federal funding meant to build medical stockpiles and bolster hospital resources. Instead, capacities were reduced, no stockpiles were purchased, and monies were corruptly pocketed by "leaders".
And if you have yet another two-wo
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US deaths: 481K / 382M = 0.125%
Is my math correct that the US has more than twice the death rate as Canada?
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US COVID deaths per million: 1453
Canada COVID deaths per million: 561
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