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Wildfire Smoke Is Loaded With Microbes. Is That Dangerous? (wired.com) 33

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Wired: If you're unfortunate enough to breathe wildfire smoke, you're getting a lungful of charred plant material, noxious gases, and -- if the fire tore through human structures -- incinerated synthetic materials. All across the board, it's bad stuff, proven to be a severe detriment to human health, particularly for those with respiratory conditions like asthma. And not to pile on the worries, but that haze also turns out to be loaded with microbes like bacteria and fungi. The problem is, scientists have only just begun to study this smoky microbial community. That led a pair of researchers to publish a new perspective piece in the journal Science today calling for a multidisciplinary push to better characterize these microbes and determine how they might be making wildfire smoke even worse for human lungs. "It's not just comprised of particulate matter and gases, but it also has a significant living component in it," says University of Idaho fire scientist Leda Kobziar, coauthor of the piece. Wildfire smoke may actually spread beneficial organisms for an ecosystem, Kobziar adds, but "what might the consequences be for the spread of pathogens that we know are airborne?"

But hold on a tick: Shouldn't the microbes get cooked to death in the flames? Well, that's not giving these microbes any credit. You see, a wildfire burns with different intensities at different spots as it moves across a landscape. "At the smallest scales, complete combustion is coupled with incomplete combustion," says Kobziar. "Even at one centimeter, you could get very high temperatures for long durations, and at the next centimeter, it can be completely skipped, and no heat at all. So that degree of variability provides a lot of pockets in which these microbes could survive fire." Instead of perishing, they hitch rides on bits of charred carbon and in water vapor, as the wildfire's heat propels all of the muck skyward. If they end up in tiny droplets of water, this could well protect them from desiccation as they travel downwind. "We know that microbes attached to dust particles are certainly transported across continents," Kobziar says. "So we have no reason to believe that that's not also occurring in smoke as smoke travels. But how long do they survive, and which ones survive? That is an open question, and that's exactly the kind of research that we're hoping this paper will inspire."

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Wildfire Smoke Is Loaded With Microbes. Is That Dangerous?

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  • No? Then carry on with scientifically interesting research and leave the hyperbolic journalism in the gutter where it belongs.

    • 'Unusual' in terms of alien parasites from Tunguska? The truth is out there!

    • There is clear evidence [fivethirtyeight.com] of wildfire induced respiratory illness. What precisely causes that ailment? Only particulate matter and gasses, with no contribution at all from microbe exposure? It might be premature to reach for that conclusion.

      • by rtb61 ( 674572 )

        It is not so much the fire, but the high speed localised wind gusts associated with it. The fire burns, hot air rises fast and of course sucks in more air to replace the rapidly rising hot. That is where the microbes are all picked up and of course dead critters all over, that will be crispy on the outside but raw and rotting on the inside. Ever picked up dead sheep after a fire, I have and they are all soft and squishy on the inside and rot down really quick and exclude and rotting miasma, that in hot stil

      • Yes, it is obviously both. Everyone knows that, by the sheer fact that every surface of your body and environment is covered in microbes, which are mostly harmless and useful, unless some interfaces, like your lungs, get weakened by pollution of poisons or other illnesses and they can get inside places they shouldn't be.

        And? Nothing of that is not what medicine is based on since a long time ago.

        Y'all need some Journey To The Microcosmos [youtube.com] in your lives!

      • You don't need microbes to explain it, although they may be contributory and if you are trying to treat it you may need to take them into account. But the stuff we already knew was in the smoke was bad enough. Soot of varying sizes, dioxins, and poison oak resins for example, to say nothing of the plastics and whatnot that are littered around, and even plastic microparticles.

    • by msauve ( 701917 )
      Whatever doesn't kill you, makes you (or your offspring) stronger. I truly believe that peanut allergies (which were basically unheard of 50 years ago) are present because modern parents don't make (or let) their kids go outside and eat dirt (but do make them use anti-microbial soap).
  • Worthwhile research (Score:4, Interesting)

    by dsgrntlxmply ( 610492 ) on Thursday December 17, 2020 @08:32PM (#60843332)
    This morning I happened to spot a singed California bay laurel leaf that had traveled at least 4 miles in fierce winds, from some wildfire to a local parking lot, that I had picked up and saved. California bay laurel can host the organism responsible for sudden oak death. The research is worthwhile.
    • by dgatwood ( 11270 )

      This morning I happened to spot a singed California bay laurel leaf that had traveled at least 4 miles in fierce winds, from some wildfire to a local parking lot, that I had picked up and saved. California bay laurel can host the organism responsible for sudden oak death. The research is worthwhile.

      The only reason you knew it had traveled four miles is because it was singed, but it probably would have traveled that distance with or without the fire, because leaves periodically fall off of even evergreen trees whether there's a fire or not.

      • Without the updrafts from the fire? Maybe not.

        • by dgatwood ( 11270 )

          Fair point. That probably increases the odds of it reaching an altitude where it can go a long distance.

        • Like Californian heat hasn't enough updraft already.

          Also, you are missing the point: Saying "Ooohh, microbes!" Is like saying "Oooh, radiation!!" It's only a scare to those who don't know that *everything* is full of it *all the time*.
          (Hey, there's a joke about politicians in there! :D)

  • *Everything is loaded with microbes.*
    Your skin is loaded with microbes right now.
    Your drinking water is loaded with microbes.
    Your table and chair and wallet and keyboard and steering wheel amd everything are full of them.
    Hell, guess what your gut is...

    Microbes does not mean bad.
    And even bad does not mean harm.
    Partially thanks to good microbes already occupying you.

    You're like people usinf "atom" or "radiation/rays" that way in earlier decades.
    Might aswell say your Big Ass Fries come Now With More *Molecules

    • The vast majority of bacteria and fungi are not just harmless, but essential to larger forms of life. A forest could not survive for long without micro-organisms to break down dead leaves and wood. That is where good soil comes from. Other than that, you have a desert. It is not surprising that bacteria found in forests can survive forest fires, as they have had millions of years to evolve that capability. The seeds of many forest plants are also adapted to survive fire.

      If some mad scientist comes up with a

      • Bacteria harmless or even beneficial in one place can be harmful in another. The bacteria responsible for decomposition are harmful to your skin. E.Coli is part of your digestive system but if you get it in your mouth it is not good.

        • I think that "friendly" bacteria causing disease is quite rare. I guess it happens in patients with a severely compromised immune system, such as people with AIDS, who suffer all sorts of strange infections.

          One interesting group of friendly bacteria are various kinds of lactobacillus, that typically ferment milk to produce yogurt and cheese, but are also important in sourdough culture and sauerkraut. Lactobacillus fermentation produces lactic acid, which inhibits many other organisms, and acts as a preserva

  • All I can think is why anyone would waste time on this, but this seems to pass as science these days. I guess it beats working for a living if you can get it.
  • ...if you just avoid to inhale [go.com] it.

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