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UK Becomes the First Country To Approve Pfizer/BioNTech Coronavirus Vaccine, Roll Out To Start Next Week (bbc.com) 109

Hope Thelps shares a report: The UK has become the first country in the world to approve the Pfizer/BioNTech coronavirus vaccine, paving the way for mass vaccination. Britain's medicines regulator, the MHRA, says the jab, which offers up to 95% protection against Covid-19 illness, is safe to be rolled out. The first doses are already on their way to the UK, with 800,000 due in the coming days, Pfizer said. Health Secretary Matt Hancock said the NHS will contact people about jabs. Elderly people in care homes and care home staff have been placed top of the priority list, followed by over-80s and health and care staff. But because hospitals already have the facilities to store the vaccine at -70C, as required, the very first vaccinations are likely to take place there -- for care home staff, NHS staff and patients -- so none of the vaccine is wasted. The Pfizer/BioNTech jab is the fastest vaccine to go from concept to reality, taking only 10 months to follow the same steps that normally span 10 years. The UK has already ordered 40 million doses of the jab - enough to vaccinate 20 million people. The doses will be rolled out as quickly as they can be made by Pfizer in Belgium, Mr Hancock said, with the first load next week and then "several millions" throughout December. Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon said the first people in Scotland will be immunised on Tuesday.
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UK Becomes the First Country To Approve Pfizer/BioNTech Coronavirus Vaccine, Roll Out To Start Next Week

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  • Join the queue (Score:5, Informative)

    by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @10:51AM (#60785852) Homepage Journal

    Great news. The queue looks like this:

    - 85+ and front line NHS staff
    - 75+
    - 65+
    - 16-65 with existing medical conditions affected by COVID
    - 55+
    - Everyone else

    Word is that there will be no option to pay to jump the queue, and no certificates. I imagine that might change as international travel opens up again, people will want evidence of having been vaccinated to present at the border.

    • Re:Join the queue (Score:5, Insightful)

      by wileeam ( 7064233 ) on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @10:55AM (#60785870)
      I hope that the UK is also equally speedy registering all secondary effects that may show up, openly and transparently, of course.
      • I hope that the UK is also equally speedy registering all secondary effects that may show up, openly and transparently, of course.

        Absofuckinglutely this.

    • by Nidi62 ( 1525137 )

      Great news. The queue looks like this:

      - 85+ and front line NHS staff
      - 75+
      - 65+
      - 16-65 with existing medical conditions affected by COVID
      - 55+
      - Everyone else

      Word is that there will be no option to pay to jump the queue, and no certificates. I imagine that might change as international travel opens up again, people will want evidence of having been vaccinated to present at the border.

      I'm surprised we haven't started seeing right-wing conspiracies that you will have to have some kind of proof that you've been vaccinated for the government to allow you to go to work, stores, restaurants, etc, and tie it in with the mark of the beast. Or maybe they've already started it and I've been lucky enough to not see it yet.

      • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @11:05AM (#60785924) Homepage Journal

        Well there was a new lie about the EU. Matt Hancock said that we were able to approve the vaccine faster because we had left the EU, but the head of the approvals agency said that it was approved within the EU framework.

        Apparently they are planning to get celebrities to endorse it in the hope that the kind of people who fall for conspiracy theories will also trust some guy famous for kicking a ball, since they don't like science.

        • Stands to reason, a large part of anti-vaxx bullshit peddled by morons is also due to celebrity influence.

          It's also quite hilarious to claim that leaving the EU was the great success here considering that the UK is still covered by EU regulations during the transition period which doesn't end for another month. Quite an own-goal there Matt Hancock.

      • Re:Join the queue (Score:5, Insightful)

        by nwaack ( 3482871 ) on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @11:49AM (#60786106)

        I'm surprised we haven't started seeing right-wing conspiracies that you will have to have some kind of proof that you've been vaccinated for the government to allow you to go to work, stores, restaurants, etc, and tie it in with the mark of the beast.

        Is there anything you tools won't turn into a left vs. right issue? This is excellent news that has nothing to do with politics! Shut up and leave your ridiculous echo-chambered beliefs out of it.

        Then again, now that I noticed your signature block I suppose I should've expected that every. single. thing is a left vs. right issue for you.

        • No, I just live in a place where people will shout USA! USA! then climb into a truck flying a confederate flag, completely oblivious to the irony. I am in fact firmly center of the road, maybe slightly center left for the US (pro abortion, pro gay marriage, multiple gun owner, used to drive a pickup) but aren't a member of either party.

        • The right wing UK gov has tested the waters on vaccine passports, through its usual leak & wait for reactions method. Not going to happen in the early days when it will be dangerously divisive due to prioritising on age.

          However, if there are too many vaccine refusing, herd immunity freeloaders, later they might become acceptable to protect the herd and herd immunity for the majority.

          Vaccine denial needs to have a price.

      • In europe most countries have a "vaccination passport" that is used to record all vaccinations you ever got.
        It is basically issued shorlty after birth when you get your first vaccinations.

        hat you will have to have some kind of proof that you've been vaccinated for the government to allow you to go to work, stores, restaurants,
        Of course you have to proof in many cases that you are vaccinated. Or do you think I would let non vaccinated assholes into my restaurant?

        • by Strider- ( 39683 )

          I have mine, with all my vaccinations dating back to birth... and I'm Canadian. I was actually surprised that most people don't have these; it's how I know to renew my TDAP every decade or so, and Yellow Fever (among others), which is needed for some of the places I travel to on business.

          • What province did you grow up in? I grew up in Alberta and was vaccinated in the 80s, and I didn't even get a MMR booster; the policy at the time was a single shot. I actually have no record of my vaccines that I can find, so now I have to manage it myself and try to get the booster when everything is opened back up, etc.

            • by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )

              You should be able to request a record. I'm not sure precisely how to do it, but contacting the health unit for the area you grew up in would be a good place to start. I don't have the one for my childhood, but my parents might.

              I do have a record of every vaccination I've had since I turned 18. The yellow fever one is a separate little booklet signed and stamped by the health authority because officially certified documentation is required for entry to several countries. And they do check.

        • Yes, hopefully. There's still a problem of some people being allergic to vaccines for various reasons; it's why herd immunity is so important with diseases like measles. There are people that literally cannot be vaccinated for some valid reason, and it's only because the rest of us have had our vaccines that they're safe.

          But I would presume that a vaccine passport would also indicate something like that?

          • But I would presume that a vaccine passport would also indicate something like that?
            I don't think so.
            As far as I remember it only contains the date and the vaccine. Important if some vaccinations need refreshing. I lost mine, so I can not check.

      • by quenda ( 644621 )

        I'm surprised we haven't started seeing right-wing conspiracies that you will have to have some kind of proof that you've been vaccinated for the government to allow you to go to work, stores, restaurants, etc, and tie it in with the mark of the beast.

        "Conspiracy theory"? I already have to show immunisation record, along with birth certificate etc to enrol my children in the local school in Australia.
        They are especially concerned with more highly contagious diseases like measles, the flu vaccine is not required. There will be no hurry to add covid vaccine.

        But nursing homes are another matter. I can see them requiring proof of covid vaccine for all staff and new residents.

      • by Cederic ( 9623 )

        What's far right about reading about the Tony Blair institute?
        https://www.walesonline.co.uk/... [walesonline.co.uk]

        What's far right about the Iraqi Nadhim Zahawi?
        https://www.sciencemediacentre... [sciencemediacentre.org]

        What's far right about the Welsh Health Minister, a member of the Labour party?
        https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/... [mirror.co.uk]

        Conspiracies? Really?

    • I don't think this is a good choice.
      I'd start with staff first. When they are all done, we can move on to the old.
      85+ risk dying the most, but unfortunately, don't have a very long life expectancy. It would be quite dumb to rush to vaccinate someone who will be dead in 3 months.

      • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

        Maybe they view it as Stage 4 trials on people who were going to die soon anyway. That sounds like something Cummings would have suggested.

      • Who do you think the staff are caring for? The oldest are the most likely to get the sickest and therefore the most likely to be needing significant care. Vaccinating the oldest therefore both reduces the death rate in that group and also greatly reduces the demand on the medical system.

        In-hospital transmission of COVID has been fairly low. Many of the health care providers who have gotten COVID caught it outside of the hospital.
      • There are probably more 85 year olds in a western country than medical stuff.

        And you are mixing up "age expectation" with when you actually die. Because "expected average age" is 85, does not mean you die shortly after wards.

        It only means that till ppl die to accident or sickness with 1, 11, 21, 31, 44, 55, 66 ... long before they are 85.

        • I understand the difference but still, people over 85 don't have a very long time left on average. I call it the lift expectancy, which is obviously higher than life expectancy at birth.

          There are probably more 85 year olds in a western country than medical stuff`

          That's why, with limited vaccine supply, I'd start with the medical staff. The UK could probably vaccinate all its staff in 2020.

    • I predict that crime will create an option to pay to jump the queue very soon. Black market vaccines that 'fell off a truck' and doctors that fake papers.
    • Word is that there will be no option to pay to jump the queue

      Good. Fuck rich people thinking they have some right to health because of money.

      • I find it impossible to believe they will block all ways to jump the queue. If not in the NHS Queue, per se, then there will be a separate private market queue off to the side. Hard to imagine it could be regulated more effectively than, say, heroin, which finds a way into everywhere.
        • by shilly ( 142940 )

          I just don't see the demand being there. Not in the teeth of a national vaccination program that's free at the point of delivery.

        • by dryeo ( 100693 )

          Well, actual heroin has become hard to find as there are so many cheaper alternatives with similar affects, things like fentanyl.
          With this vaccine needing storage below -70C, it'll probably be fakes that are sold privately, though I'm sure bribes or such could work.
          I'd also assume that fake vaccines are going to be a major scam for a while.

      • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

        It's more like thinking they have a right to something in limited supply that others have a greater need of, but yeah...

      • No one has a "right to health" (only to pursue it), but vaccines don't grow on trees. Even if they did, someone would need to discover it, harvest it, distribute it and then find a way to cultivate enough and magnify those efforts to be able to provide and distribute massive supply for low cost. If "rich people" handing over large amounts of their wealth compensates those heroes for the enormous value they produced for the world faster and expedites the process of mass production and distribution then I hav

    • Clearly NOT the real queue. Where are the politicians, the rich, and the sport players?
    • by tflf ( 4410717 )

      You forgot politicians, and their overlords, who will be the very first vaccinated.

    • Re:Join the queue (Score:5, Informative)

      by NotTheSame ( 6161704 ) on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @01:10PM (#60786436)

      That's incorrect. Where did you get that information from?

      From the Guardian:

      Residents in a care home for older adults and their carers
      All those 80 years of age and over and frontline health and social care workers
      People 75 years of age and over
      People 70 years of age and over and people deemed to be clinically extremely vulnerable.
      People 65 years of age and over
      Individuals aged 16 years to 64 years with underlying health conditions which put them at higher risk of serious disease and mortality
      People 60 years of age and over
      People 55 years of age and over
      People 50 years of age and over

      https://www.theguardian.com/so... [theguardian.com]

      The BBC are reporting the same thing.

      https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/hea... [bbc.co.uk]

    • by tlhIngan ( 30335 )

      Word is that there will be no option to pay to jump the queue, and no certificates. I imagine that might change as international travel opens up again, people will want evidence of having been vaccinated to present at the border.

      Doubt it. Vaccination helps, but isn't a cure-all since even the Pfizer one is about 95% effective. Which means you could be vaccinated but find out it didn't take.

      Likely what will happen are rapid COVID tests will continue to be used as they are now, and rather than bother with cer

  • by etash ( 1907284 )
    moderna's seem a better deal due to lower temperature threshold. so why pfizer's?
    • This is a regulatory approval.
      So the answer is "Because pfizer/bioNtech deposited first".

    • Re:why? (Score:4, Informative)

      by Duckeenie ( 4964511 ) on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @10:58AM (#60785892)
      Not everybody in the UK will be getting the same Jab. I imagine it has to do with availability.
      • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

        Indeed, it is expected that the UK will use all available vaccines as they become available. Word is that you won't have a choice which one you get, it will be down to availability and clinical reasons if they turn out to have different interactions or side effects.

        It will be voluntary but in practice might become hard to avoid. Japan has just passed a law giving everyone free vaccine but with a clause that places a responsibility on everyone to get vaccinated, only to be triggered if uptake is low. Could g

    • Because one is approved and the other still pending. Because Pfizer's results and testing was ahead of Moderna's.

    • by ebcdic ( 39948 )
      Moderna's will probably be approved very soon, but all governments ordered supplies before the tests were complete. The UK government bought more of the BioNTech vaccine in advance than of the Moderna one. They've ordered more of the Moderna vaccine now but they aren't at the front of the queue. Probably most people in Britain will get the Oxford vaccine once it's approved, because that's what the government ordered most of.
  • phase 3 results (Score:5, Insightful)

    by fred6666 ( 4718031 ) on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @10:52AM (#60785862)

    Did they publish their phase 3 results in a peer-reviewed journal yet?

  • What will be the adverse event rate after millions of people receive the vaccine?
    Hopefully it will be no greater than with the test population or getting everyone to take the vaccine will be difficult.

    • by Strider- ( 39683 )

      Probably nothing will happen, other than stamping out the pandemic.

      • Even if we had sufficient vaccine for everyone it would not stamp out the pandemic in 28 days. Anti-vaxxers will not get it because they don't feel sick, illegal immigrants won't get it because they are afraid of getting deported, members of the American Republican party won't get it because they fear science, and we know it affects animals because that's where it came from, so all the pets will still be infected. And it doesn't matter if "that's far away in a different country!" because this stuff spread
    • by shilly ( 142940 )

      It'll be lower than the adverse event rate for everybody getting the virus, that's for damn sure

  • by Anonymous Coward

    FDA won't approve vaccines for the USA until Biden is in office. They'd like to keep their jobs and it just won't do to have the public remembering this as the Trump vaccine. At least three more months of stalling deliveries until the memory of Operation Warp Speed is gone from the public's mind*. Then Biden steps up, waves his hand and Democrats are the heros. We may lose 50, 000 more lives. But that's a small price to pay for the party's prestige.

    *Fortunately, Democrats don't have a longer attention span

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