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What if a Medical Treatment Could Change Your Political Or Religious Beliefs? (scientificamerican.com) 233

A research fellow at the University of Oxford's Wellcome Centre for Ethics and Humanities writes in Scientific American: How would you feel about a new therapy for your chronic pain, which — although far more effective than any available alternative — might also change your religious beliefs? Or a treatment for lymphoma that brings one in three patients into remission, but also made them more likely to vote for your least preferred political party?

These seem like idle hypothetical questions about impossible side effects. After all, this is not how medicine works. But a new mental health treatment, set to be licensed next year, poses just this sort of problem. Psychotherapy assisted by psilocybin, the psychedelic compound in "magic mushrooms," seems to be remarkably effective in treating a wide range of psychopathologies, but also causes a raft of unusual nonclinical changes not seen elsewhere in medicine...

[E]merging evidence suggests the relationship could be causal, with clinically administered psilocybin actively shifting political values, just as it shifts many other nonclinical characteristics. Notably, one study of psilocybin for treatment-resistant depression reported that the treatment decreased authoritarian political views in patients. That clinical trial also detected another effect that had previously been reported in healthy participants: psilocybin use leads to increases in the personality domain of openness, itself a predictor of liberal values... With sample sizes currently small, more research is needed to understand whether there truly is a causal relationship at work, and, if so, what its nature might be. Perhaps psilocybin doesn't so much induce liberal values, but rather consolidates whatever values were present before treatment. A health care modality that entrenches preexisting political sentiments is, at the least, unlikely to make enemies.

The same could not be said of a treatment that shifts patients in one direction along the political spectrum.

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What if a Medical Treatment Could Change Your Political Or Religious Beliefs?

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  • Tl;dr (Score:5, Funny)

    by batukhan ( 4849151 ) on Sunday October 11, 2020 @03:56PM (#60595990)
    Shrooms turn people into hippies
    • Re:Tl;dr (Score:5, Interesting)

      by rgbe ( 310525 ) on Sunday October 11, 2020 @05:27PM (#60596306)
      I have to say magic mushrooms, along with LSD and MDMA shifted my personal beliefs significantly. Until I was 25 I was a regularly drunk stoner that made a living working in factories. After a year of occasionally consuming Shrooms, LSD and MDMA in a recreational setting, they changed my perspective on life. I believed in myself more, I was more open to other people's views and opinions, even if I did not agree with them. They changed my life around, I went and studied physics at university because I had a fascination with how the universe worked. After a 15 year break from psychedelics I have recently got back into them, every time I take them my appreciation for my life and those around me increases... I just get happier. I have to say I was never right leaning, but I can see that the self-reflection I went through can significantly impact someone's view of life and take it less seriously, but more conscientiously.
  • by burtosis ( 1124179 ) on Sunday October 11, 2020 @04:01PM (#60596014)
    The treatment has failed, they have caught a serious case of the empathies!!! Quick, nuke it from orbit before it spreads, it’s the only way to be sure!
  • by dmay34 ( 6770232 ) on Sunday October 11, 2020 @04:02PM (#60596020)

    ... It's the hospital bill afterward that your health insurance doesn't cover that makes people liberals.

  • Would democrats force republicans to get treatment? Or vica versa? I think more than one regime has found that led pills cure political disorders dead.

    Or are you refering to the literature that says congative impairments and dimensia are associciated with a drift to inflexible and thus conservative political beliefs?

    So a cure for Alzheimers would doom the Republican base?

  • by JaredOfEuropa ( 526365 ) on Sunday October 11, 2020 @04:04PM (#60596034) Journal
    Sounds like the precursor to This Perfect Day [wikipedia.org]
  • did not work on trump!

  • by frank_adrian314159 ( 469671 ) on Sunday October 11, 2020 @04:08PM (#60596042) Homepage

    Notably, one study of psilocybin for treatment-resistant depression reported that the treatment decreased authoritarian political views in patients.

    Who wants authoritarians around, anyway? It just shows that, since it can be cured, it's a disease. Too bad, conservatives - no 'shrooms for you - unless you want to be cured of your affliction.

  • Who needs psilocybin? Too much respect or love can turn people librul too.

  • Get ready for Bidencare where you have no copays but have to take shrooms once a week for "Mental Health".
  • by Patrick May ( 305709 ) on Sunday October 11, 2020 @04:48PM (#60596174)
    Classical liberals are anti-authoritarian. Many of those calling themselves liberals today are quite happy to use government power to achieve their goals.
    • Liberalism is orthogonal to authoritarianism.

      The opposite on the liberal axis is conservatism.

      The opposite of authoritarianism is anarchism.

      Most "liberals" as we know them in the USA are centrists when it comes to authoritarianism. They want the government to enforce liberalism. Most conservatives are more authoritarian than liberals. They want the government to enforce conservatism, and they're OK with it involving more severe penalties.

  • If a medication made patients notably more conservative, the FDA/EMA would never approve it.

  • Put them on the table next to the peanuts.

  • We might seen in our minds ...

    "I'm sick of being a racist Republican Christian Bigot, gimme that pill! "

    But alas, it won't happen.

  • It doesn't seem at all surprising that something that makes people mentally healthier could also cause them to re-evaluate opinions that they only ever had in the first place due to mental illness.

    And I don't mean that in a pejorative sense of "you're crazy therefore everything you think is wrong", but e.g. someone who is in a lot of pain, or undergoing a lot of anxiety, or depression, fear, anger, generally being buried under the weight of unpleasantness and not in a clear open mental space, could easily make decisions that seem perfectly rational in light of those experiences, but would not seem to rational from a more neutral mind.

    Conversely, if people were always manic or somehow in constant elation, I could see that leading to irrational recklessness and lack of appropriate caution, and so decisions, including political decisions, that are less well-founded.

    If there was a magic pill to make everybody mentally healthy, calm and clear-minded, I have no doubt that political opinions would change dramatically.

    I have my ideas of what direction they would change, because of course I think my political opinions are well-founded and those to the contrary are not, but the principle in use here doesn't hinge on what those opinions are. Just that if you are mentally well, rather than mentally ill, of course you're going to think better than you otherwise would.

  • Someone do us all a favor and start spiking the water.

  • And it should be mandatory. Think of all the people who have died in the name of religion; plus, the thousands of years the advancement of science has been delayed.

  • by Berkyjay ( 1225604 ) on Sunday October 11, 2020 @08:04PM (#60596720)

    ...they're saying that depression and mental disorders lead to anti-social, closed minded, and authoritarian mindsets.

  • No.

    Just flat out no.

    And if anyone ever tries it, they're going to have to kill me to stop me from going after them.

  • You know dictatorships would take advantage of such if it proved effective. It would be a lot cheaper than "reeducation camps"

    • You know dictatorships would take advantage of such if it proved effective. It would be a lot cheaper than "reeducation camps"

      The problem with this idea is that it does the exact opposite of what dictators want. Therefore it is exactly nonsense.

  • of these comments. We have an abundance of sick puppies of all shades hanging here. All positive that they are 100% right and everyone else is 100% wrong.
  • Didn't we see that in "A Clockwork Orange?"
  • I take it to mean that instead of viewing nature as absolute authority, an individual is seen as such. That doesn't match the definition I read about online, which describes a totalist state structure. Funny how word definitions shift.

  • "Number 12 Looks Just Like You"

    https://youtu.be/cP8hpvdgJnA [youtu.be]

  • by Tom ( 822 ) on Monday October 12, 2020 @04:42AM (#60597756) Homepage Journal

    I've been considering religion a parasitic mental disorder for a long time (after extensively considering the question). So it doesn't surprise me that there is potentially a cure. On the contrary, I have a slim hope that one day we'll view religion the way we view Smallpox today - something that for most of human history our species simply accepted, and then erradicated and the world is a better place for it.

    For political views, again it is not surprising that brain chemistry affects your position on questions that are aligned with political parties. What does surprise me is that people confuse politics, politicians and political views and think that these three things have much in common. They don't. Most politicians in the west today are career politicians. They serve party X the same way most employees (from cleaning lady to CEO) work for company A today. Mobility among parties is much lower than among companies, but it's not unheard of. These people primarily consider the thing a job. What they may or may not think privately doesn't much enter the equation. It is only voters who hold political views and (sometimes) vote accordingly, believing "their" party or candidate shares those views. Changes in brain chemistry can change voter behavior. I doubt they would change anything in the actual politics.

    • The problem with faith is when people use it as a closed fist rather than an open hand.

      • The problem with faith is when people use it as a closed fist rather than an open hand.

        You can do plenty of damage with an open hand, not simply by showing someone the back of it, but also by who you choose to offer it to in friendship.

  • Something about mental health care and {insert opposing political party here}.

  • I'm sure a lot of people who have received medical treatment in the USA suddenly have more favourable views on Vote Bernie ... particularly when they get their bill.

  • "What if medical treatment could change your sexuality" and the comments were about treating the LGBT community to make them straight.

  • As a non-partisan with a functioning brain my political values have shifted all over the place throughout life. I've also done plenty of psychedelics. Psychedelics tend to make you think about many of the same more existential issues that meditation does and old school liberal values tend to center around many of these things.

    Conservative values have tended to be more direct and simple, people who follow them tend not to have a complex understanding which supports their beliefs and this kind of pondering is

  • Decreased authoritarian views, and the personality domain of openness. These might be a more classic liberalism, but I don't see this being a good fit with neo-liberalism or the modern leftist movements. The hallmark of leftist political power is their lockstep talking points and intolerance to opposition. That isn't openness and is an ongoing monument to authoritarianism.

    Neither are those traits are comfortably in the domain of the right.

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