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New England Journal of Medicine Resoundingly Endorses Biden (nejm.org) 363

BishopBerkeley writes: In another first, the editors of the The New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM) endorse Joe Biden by stating that the current government needs to be fired. Although they don't mention any names, the editors of the NEJM state in shockingly forceful and accusatory language that the current administration is totally incompetent and does not deserve to keep its job. The editorial, somberly titled "Dying in a Leadership Vacuum" bases its opinion on some dispiriting statistics:

"The magnitude of this failure is astonishing. According to the Johns Hopkins Center for Systems Science and Engineering, the United States leads the world in Covid-19 cases and in deaths due to the disease, far exceeding the numbers in much larger countries, such as China. The death rate in this country is more than double that of Canada, exceeds that of Japan, a country with a vulnerable and elderly population, by a factor of almost 50, and even dwarfs the rates in lower-middle-income countries, such as Vietnam, by a factor of almost 2000. Covid-19 is an overwhelming challenge, and many factors contribute to its severity. But the one we can control is how we behave. And in the United States we have consistently behaved poorly."

The Administration's extreme rhetoric and extreme actions are earning extreme reactions.
Last month, Scientific American broke a 175-year tradition of not endorsing a presidential candidate by throwing their support behind Joe Biden. "We'd love to stay out of politics, but this president has been so anti-science that we can't ignore it," editor in chief, Laura Helmuth told The Washington Post.

The editor in chief of Science Magazine also denounced Trump, but stopped short of endorsing presidential candidate Joe Biden.
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New England Journal of Medicine Resoundingly Endorses Biden

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  • by Fly Swatter ( 30498 ) on Friday October 09, 2020 @07:08PM (#60590232) Homepage
    When politics creep into where it doesn't belong. The places it newly inhabits lose all credibility.
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by malkavian ( 9512 )

      I see you ran foul of the "I don't like your opinion, so therefore you must be a troll" moderator.

    • by ShooterNeo ( 555040 ) on Friday October 09, 2020 @07:19PM (#60590264)

      To godwin this argument, if the current president were literally adolf hitler, your argument is just as dumb. A magazine representing doctors couldn't mention the president was mass murdering their patients because it's just "politics". In this case, the magazine is accusing the current administration of incompetence to the point of being close to mass manslaughter.

      • by ShanghaiBill ( 739463 ) on Friday October 09, 2020 @07:29PM (#60590290)

        Your argument may make sense if no one else was raising these issues.

        But the failings of Donald Trump are obvious and are broadcast everywhere.

        Adding their "me too" to the avalanche of denunciations is going to make no difference.

        The politicization of the NEJM is pointless and unnecessary. It damages their credibility and their reputation for impartiality.

        • by Baby Duck ( 176251 ) on Friday October 09, 2020 @07:52PM (#60590360) Homepage

          The politicization of the NEJM is pointless and unnecessary.

          I pray we never meet a time where someone even as jaded as you finally agrees it has a point and is necessary. If not now, when?

        • by MobileTatsu-NJG ( 946591 ) on Friday October 09, 2020 @08:49PM (#60590492)

          Adding their "me too" to the avalanche of denunciations is going to make no difference.

          Oh, bullshit. The people keeping the infection rates up right now are anti-mask idiots operating on bad information. The people with the right information, we're not just talking about the brains but also the people who end up dealing with the tragic avalanche of dip-shittery, they absolutely should be standing up and denouncing it if simply because their silence on the matter just makes their lives devastatingly harder.

          The thickheadedness of a portion of the American Public is not a reason for doctors to stay silent on the matter... because 'noise', and the 'politicization' of NEJM is is a result. not a cause. There are lots of Republicans in the hospital right now as we discuss this.

        • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Friday October 09, 2020 @09:03PM (#60590536)
          Trump made it necessary when he got a deadly virus, recieved a level of medical care that is unobtainable to 99% of the population, and then went on national television as the President of The United States and told everyone that the doctors, including those of the NEJM, could easily provided that same level of treatment to every single American free of Charge.

          Imagine if you're an IT person and the President went on TV and said "ShanghaiBill will fix every Americans PC personally because he fixed mine! Doesn't matter how broken. Got a Commodore 64 in the attic? He'll make it run Crysis Remastered at 4k!"

          That is essentially what Trump did. It would be profoundly irresponsible for the doctors of this country to stay silent.
          • Trump made it necessary when he got a deadly virus, recieved a level of medical care that is unobtainable to 99% of the population, and then went on national television as the President of The United States and told everyone that the doctors, including those of the NEJM, could easily provided that same level of treatment to every single American free of Charge.

            And Trump could easily have been much sicker, including dying from this, no matter how much medical attention he received.

            • medical history and how hard the virus hit him I think if he was a regular Joe he'd be dead right now. If he was one of the 30 million under insured Americans (yes, even after the ACA) I'm positive he'd be dead.
              • Going on statistics compiled so far, a male in his 70s, who is obese, and with a history of heart disease, has a mortality risk of 11%. Not exactly guaranteed. They've taken the data and made calculators you can enter all that into.
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                by Joce640k ( 829181 )

                medical history and how hard the virus hit him I think if he was a regular Joe he'd be dead right now.

                Trump wasn't "hit hard".

                eg. British PM Boris Johnson would have had the same level of health care and he was in hospital a lot longer than Trump was.

                • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) on Saturday October 10, 2020 @03:37AM (#60591198) Homepage Journal

                  Johnson didn't have the same level of healthcare because the experimental treatment that Trump got didn't exist back then.

                  Trump had a human cell based treatment, interestingly using a cell culture from an aborted foetus which is something he has previously spoken against. Seems than when his arse is on the line he is willing to put moral objections aside.

                • by Cederic ( 9623 )

                  Boris was treated by the same health service using the same methods that are available to everybody in the country.

                  That's the key difference really, rather than the severity of the infection.

        • The politicization of the NEJM is pointless and unnecessary.

          Maybe the people there felt they couldn't keep quiet any longer. They simply HAD to say something.

        • The politicization of the NEJM is pointless and unnecessary. It damages their credibility and their reputation for impartiality.

          Perhaps there could be a political motivation behind the NEJM's endorsement. However, this is not obvious because there is a more cogent medical argument. If they believe that the current administration is directly responsible for a significant part of the pandemic outcomes (e.g., deaths that could have been prevented in the past and future), then they could believe that their medical oath to do no harm requires them to call for public policy to prevent future medical harm.

          There are those that would view

      • by malkavian ( 9512 )

        Lots of media are accusing their governments of that, despite the fact that the problems are far deeper.
        Yes, I've seen the flaws in the US response, and it comes from all sides, not just the head of state (though I really didn't like that response at all).
        The OP argument has merit. How much is definitely up for debate, but it has merit, and it's not a troll.

    • by Darinbob ( 1142669 ) on Friday October 09, 2020 @07:19PM (#60590266)

      The problem is that the administration has been so bad in science and health that it's nearly impossible to stay out of of the politics. It's clear that Trump is actively hostile towards science, he doesn't believe in it or understand it, and medicine is a branch of science that he is constantly undermining and giving false statements about on a near daily basis during this pandemic. This is not just normal every day politics here, Trump is way beyond the Pale. When the president is an extremist, then it doing a tiny small amount of politics may be necessary, and that's all these publications are doing. A publication will lose credibility if they take the neutral stance of "well, the president may or may not be right, we don't want to take a stand, and we encourage you to wear or not wear a mask depending upon factors that we are too neutral to discuss."

      When the president lies, then it is a citizen's DUTY to call this out. A true patriot will not hide behind the president or make excuses for his faults. Trump is fallible, and he proves it every day.

      Trump has lost credibility, not the NEJM or SA. Those publications only lose credibility in the eyes of those who believe Trump is always right and they probably already discounted those publications already for heinous sin of disagreeing with Trump.

      • by Nugoo ( 1794744 ) on Friday October 09, 2020 @08:09PM (#60590390)

        he doesn't believe in it or understand it

        He certainly believes in it. He made statements (not public ones) in February that show he recognized COVID as a threat. When he got sick, he didn't turn to HCQ, he got a cutting edge treatment form Regeneron. His public persona and his policies are anti-science, but he clearly believes in it.

    • by slycyberguy ( 2006094 ) on Friday October 09, 2020 @07:25PM (#60590284)
      You can blame The Donald for that. We've had Republican / conservative presidents in the past who actually made an attempt to lead the nation without creating so much animosity toward any segments of society, but this sociopath has plunged the country to an all new low. Someone who is willing to do whatever it takes to win re-election such as shit on our institutes, create divisiveness and get people killed by spreading misinformation about masks and such deserves to be stopped and /or removed from office at every turn. And before anyone responds by saying, "Well, the media, deep state or the whole world treat him unfairly, so he did what he had to do", here is part of his campaign launch speech for 2016:

      When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.

      He threw the first punch

      • No, asking white people to write letters of apology to black coworkers and classmates and telling them they're beneficiaries of "white privilege" creates animosity and is divisive. I went to inner city schools for most of my pre-college education, so I had the same schooling and heard the teachers say the same thing: you need an education to succeed in life. Listening to that statement amd taking it to heart is "white privilege"

  • by RyanFenton ( 230700 ) on Friday October 09, 2020 @07:29PM (#60590288)

    Yeah - you get a little bit of swamp-nose if you aren't able to get a bit of privacy to clean off during a long work session - but simple facemasks aren't a violation of anything - hell, they INCREASE privacy, they're largely private rules precenting access to private property, and where they're required, it's legitimately to directly save lives of vulnerable people during a major pandemic.

    I can't even see a libertarian objection to the simple rules set in place here. In fact, in most libertarian extremes I've seen - this is one of those critical cases where a community need can create rules that the community enforces, and should.

    The fact that it's this weird modern offshoot of American "Conservatism" that considers asking for mask wearing to access resources and inflict active disease on folks ... that's much more a mark on what we now call conservatism than it is on anything else.

    And let's face reality - it's really Trump. Normally - yes, we'd have a contingent of anti-vaxx folks making very angry reactions to any public health effort - but we'd also normally have folks like John McCain calming fears and damping fires in the case of major pandemic.

    Now though, the crazy folks aren't writing bitter editorials on page D6, they're running the show and setting the defaults to all public response.

    I look forward to the tide shifting WAAAY back, as the newer voters outnumber the older generations.

    Ryan Fenton

  • can we not just assume every highly regarded document based on science supports Biden for president?
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  • So, what happens when some of their members disagree? Are they to be cancelled? Hounded out of their careers?

    • by green1 ( 322787 )

      There is no disagreement in the left. You either agree, or you are not allowed to speak. Everything is simpler that way. Your opinion will be decided for you and you get no say in the matter.

  • How do they not get it?

  • ... and yet has roughly 9 times the population density.

    It is hardly surprising that a disease which requires close contact to spread would spread faster where population density is highest.

    Honestly, I don't really know if it's fair to say that the USA is doing any worse than Canada in that regard.... relatively speaking. Heck, maybe Canada is doing worse.

  • by Ungrounded Lightning ( 62228 ) on Saturday October 10, 2020 @03:54AM (#60591242) Journal

    The New England Journal of Medicine has been into left-wing politics for decades.

    It shows up primarily in their publication of a llarge number of bogus anti-gun research papers, including some which even their authors had to retract later.

    I could go into this in detail but that would be a long digression. The main point is that public health is the wrong discipline and their models just don't work for a "disease" where the actors are intelligent people of varying moral character rather than mindless micoscopic lifeforms just doing their best to reproduce. The relevant discipline is criminology, which has its own journals and does a far better job of analyzing the issues and otherwise doing science on them.

    But it's nice to see the operators of the NEJM being honest and up-front about their political leanings and that the will use their soapbox to campaign for one side of the current political divide.

    • by WierdUncle ( 6807634 ) on Saturday October 10, 2020 @10:16AM (#60591904)

      As a UK resident, I find it odd what people in the USA call "left wing". I am not sure Joe Biden would be called "left wing" over here. Certainly not a conservative, but maybe a centrist.

      There is a natural tendency for people directly involved in medicine to care for people less fortunate than themselves. This is probably why they took up medicine in the first place. This care for less fortunate people is a basis for liberal political ideas, in my view, so perhaps there is a tendency for medical people to support liberal views.

      In this particular case, NEJM appear to be saying that Trump has massively mismanaged the response to the pandemic, and continues to do so. This is a medical matter, which the NEJM is quite right to point out. Actually supporting a rival candidate to Trump may perhaps be going too far, but perhaps the NEJM see it as their civic duty to do prevent further harm to the people of the USA.

  • The problem is not that Trump is anti-science, but that he does not care enough about the subject to be pro-science in any organized, visionary way. A pro-science president would at least have kicked open Yucca Mountain by now and bulldozed the thugs off the road to Maunakea. The extra flak he would have taken for these actions would be small in comparison to the flak he has absorbed for everything else.

    Biden will be a well-organized grownup who will be intellectually in favor of science, but fat chance that he will risk annoying the party's anti-science wing.

  • by slasher999 ( 513533 ) on Saturday October 10, 2020 @09:09AM (#60591694)

    If you want to lose all credibility in the scientific journalism community, endorse a political candidate. Especially that one.

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