Hydroxychloroquine Advocate Angry Donald Trump Took 'Experimental Antibody Stupidness' (newsweek.com) 287
"A doctor notorious for claiming hydroxychloroquine is a 'cure' for COVID-19 has denounced White House doctors for not giving President Donald Trump the drug to treat his infection..." reports Newsweek.
"Other unsubstantiated claims from Immanuel include declarations that fasting can cure those affected by 'witchcraft,' that having sex with demons while dreaming can cause gynecological problems and that certain medications contain the DNA of extraterrestrial aliens." Dr. Stella Immanuel, who gained fame in July after Trump retweeted a video showing her touting the malaria drug, expressed outrage in a series of tweets on Friday, condemning the medical decisions of "bozo doctors" who surrounded the president after he tested positive for COVID-19. "Instead of giving the president of the United States a known safe drug," Immanuel tweeted. "They gave him some experimental antibody stupidness. This is so dumb. Please potus family you guys wake up. Give him HCQ, Zpack & zinc asap." "Whoever told the president to stop taking HCQ should be punched in the face," she said in an earlier tweet. "This did not have to happened. I am so upset. This is our president for crying out loud. No one need to get sick or pcr positive."
Leonard Schleifer, CEO of Regeneron Pharmaceuticals, insisted that taking his company's experimental treatment, made of potentially virus-neutralizing antibodies, could see the president's condition improve within one week. Although the treatment is widely viewed as having potential, some medical experts have expressed less confidence in its effectiveness. Conley issued a second memorandum late Friday night, revealing that "in consultation with specialists, we have decided to initiate Remdesivir therapy" for Trump, referring to the antiviral drug that gained an emergency use authorization from the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) over the summer after studies showed it could reduce the length of time a person is ill with COVID-19.
Newsweek reminds its readers that early in the pandemic Trump did take a two-week course of hydroxychloroquine "as a preventative measure, hoping it would prevent his infection..."
"Other unsubstantiated claims from Immanuel include declarations that fasting can cure those affected by 'witchcraft,' that having sex with demons while dreaming can cause gynecological problems and that certain medications contain the DNA of extraterrestrial aliens." Dr. Stella Immanuel, who gained fame in July after Trump retweeted a video showing her touting the malaria drug, expressed outrage in a series of tweets on Friday, condemning the medical decisions of "bozo doctors" who surrounded the president after he tested positive for COVID-19. "Instead of giving the president of the United States a known safe drug," Immanuel tweeted. "They gave him some experimental antibody stupidness. This is so dumb. Please potus family you guys wake up. Give him HCQ, Zpack & zinc asap." "Whoever told the president to stop taking HCQ should be punched in the face," she said in an earlier tweet. "This did not have to happened. I am so upset. This is our president for crying out loud. No one need to get sick or pcr positive."
Leonard Schleifer, CEO of Regeneron Pharmaceuticals, insisted that taking his company's experimental treatment, made of potentially virus-neutralizing antibodies, could see the president's condition improve within one week. Although the treatment is widely viewed as having potential, some medical experts have expressed less confidence in its effectiveness. Conley issued a second memorandum late Friday night, revealing that "in consultation with specialists, we have decided to initiate Remdesivir therapy" for Trump, referring to the antiviral drug that gained an emergency use authorization from the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) over the summer after studies showed it could reduce the length of time a person is ill with COVID-19.
Newsweek reminds its readers that early in the pandemic Trump did take a two-week course of hydroxychloroquine "as a preventative measure, hoping it would prevent his infection..."
But what about the bleach? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:But what about the bleach? (Score:5, Funny)
Don't forget the UV light. A black light up the most convenient orifice is critically important.
Re:Let's be compassionate, shall we? (Score:5, Insightful)
I don't think we need to be compassionate to dangerous people with mental problems that have a lot of power. At least not until they are safely removed from any kind of power and nicely secured in a closed institution.
Re: Let's be compassionate, shall we? (Score:5, Insightful)
What do you think nursing homes are for? They are for long term medical treatments to get you out of the hospital.
If all you need is iv fluid meds and oxygen you don't need a 10 000 dollar a day hospital bed you need a 1000 dollar a day nursing home bed.
So the early days of the virus we did exactly what our for profit healthcare system is supposed to do. Shuffle as many people as possible out of the hospitals. That was bad.we treated covid like the flu. Covid is 100 times more contagious than the flu.hand washing can protect you if you are in the same room a a flu person.covid you don't want to be in the same building.
Look at the white house. In 24. Hours after trump's announcement 10 more cases have come up. Expect another 10 by end of day Sunday.
Treating this like the flu caused 50,000 plus deaths. Guess which party pushed the its like the flu nonsense ?
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Treating this like the flu caused 50,000 plus deaths. Guess which party pushed the its like the flu nonsense ?
Indeed. And there is another angle: You can get vaccinated for the flu, so you have some real control over how likely you are to get it.
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Citation needed.
No, you don't need a citation, you need a thing called an "internet search."
As far as I've heard, nobody was working on coronavirus vaccines because there was no demand for corornvirus vaccines.
Until now.
When you didn't hear about something, all you know about is your ignorance. Your ignorance is not somehow evidence that there was nothing to know.
Those of us who were talking about, probably already knew about it, that's how we knew to talk about it. See how that works? When you know about something, you know more about it than when you never even heard of it.
Re:Let's be compassionate, shall we? (Score:5, Informative)
from purposefully pumping up the death rate
Troll is trolling hard. The death rate is not "pumped up". If anything it is being underreported, even more so now that the con artist has his minions directly manipulating the numbers.
We know for a fact people were dying from covid-19 back in February/March, but due to the critical lack of test kits, coroners could not confirm [businessinsider.com] that was the cause of death [sunherald.com].
But you are correct, there is a lot of politics behind this. The need to suppress numbers so we don't appear to be the inept buffoons the world takes us to be is why the con artist has said we should slow or even stop testing. After all, if you don't test, you'd have very few, if any, cases [thehill.com]. Even within this country, despite the fact we are approaching a quarter million dead in a few months, there are people who refuse to believe the facts [9cache.com].
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That's why I hope he kicks over and somebody releases the children.
No, we don't want that. That would mean two dastardly situations. First, we would forced to hand over more taxpayer dollars to pay for his state funeral. This would be on top of the $140 million he's already spent playing golf [politicususa.com] when he's supposed to be working. Potentially, over $300 million of taxpayer monies could be wasted [forbes.com] on golf outings to his failing courses [newsweek.com].
Second, that would mean Mike Pence would become president, someone known to v
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I was actually expecting North Korea to work out a deal with China to provide carefully selected "volunteers" to push out a vaccine quickly. However it looks like the Chinese are just playing by the rules and their head start isn't going to matter that much.
Having said that, I would trust a Chinese vaccine before one recommended by Trump or Putin.
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Is Trump taking his bleach injections? That is what's truly going to stop this virus in it's tracks.
Hey, he is the president! Do not skimp on the bleach! Submerge him completely for several hours each day in the strongest bleach available, so he gets healthy fast!
Re:But what about the bleach? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:But what about the bleach? (Score:5, Insightful)
He endorsed a crazy person over qualified doctors, that's worse than his bleach thing.
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What do you mean a crazy person. She's a distinguished member of American Frontline Doctors an organisation that represents the views of the medical profession on the whole. You don't get to that position being crazy. :-)
**Note to moderators: See the Smiley? It's there so people realise this post is sarcastic.
Re:But what about the bleach? (Score:5, Insightful)
he never said "bleach" he was talking about disinfectant
Oh thank god. Here I thought he was a moron suggesting something dangerous.
you're an petulant toddler.
In March and April of this year the CDC reported thousands of cases of people getting hospitalised due to ingesting disinfectant, a 200% increase in those two months over the previous year's figures, and just those two months. January and May the figures were yearly normals for accidental poisoning.
So maybe, just maybe, the GP isn't a toddley and is pointing out that Trump's supposedly high-IQ conversation with experts should have been behind closed doors instead of ON NATIONAL TELEVISION where his inability to speak doesn't directly harm his citizens.
Re:But what about the bleach? (Score:5, Insightful)
In March and April of this year the CDC reported thousands of cases of people getting hospitalised due to ingesting disinfectant, a 200% increase in those two months over the previous year's figures, and just those two months. January and May the figures were yearly normals for accidental poisoning.
So maybe, just maybe, the GP isn't a toddley and is pointing out that Trump's supposedly high-IQ conversation with experts should have been behind closed doors instead of ON NATIONAL TELEVISION where his inability to speak doesn't directly harm his citizens.
Indeed. Even more people harmed by his inability to care about human life. Yes, sure, the people that did poison themselves because of anything trump said are morons, but that does not mean it is o.k. to mislead them about the danger of certain substances. Any good leader realizes whatever he/she says may be taken literally by some people and hence never, ever suggests doing dangerous things.
Re:But what about the bleach? (Score:5, Insightful)
Indeed. I pointed out in another thread that Trump could have let the experts give the press conferences, and then their recommendations would be on them.
Instead his narcissism required he stand up and play a game of telephone with what he'd heard but not really understood, which caused him to tell the public a giant load of incorrect and dangerous things.
When you tell the experts to stand down because you're going to do it yourself, you're 100% to blame for how it turns out.
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Using the method devised by this Trump GENIUS would no't going to stop the virus in its tracks... ...it would stop it FULL STOP.
twitter doctor (Score:4, Funny)
This twitter doctor sounds about as qualified as Dr. Phil.
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She's a lot more entertaining, though.
Re: twitter doctor (Score:4, Funny)
Or Dr Nick.
Re: twitter doctor (Score:2)
Re:twitter doctor (Score:5, Funny)
Hey come on now, she went to the 20th best university in Nigeria. Many Nigerian princes have gone there. In fact I paid the tuition of one the other day, he's gonna pay me back after his scholarship money comes through.
Sex with demons is just a bad idea (Score:5, Funny)
Re: Sex with demons is just a bad idea (Score:2)
Also, the claim that medicines contain extraterrestrial DNA is obviously true. There's no other way to explain the unreasonable effectiveness of Viagra in treating erectile dysfunction!
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Re:Sex with demons is just a bad idea (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Sex with demons is just a bad idea (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:Sex with demons is just a bad idea (Score:5, Funny)
I don't see how anyone would doubt that having sex with demons could cause gynecological problems. That just seems like an obvious truth.
I saw a documentary about it once called Urotsukidoji, and it certainly didn't look like a good idea.
We've always had this kind of crazy. (Score:5, Interesting)
We've always had this kind of crazy here in the colonies/USA.
Newspapers from the time are just filled with it, both in articles and in ads. Along with the same folks proclaiming anger at anyone advocating a scientifically valid product over theirs.
The difference with this era is that we have a LOT more of a body of science to say why going that route is a really, REALLY bad idea - and that our politics is now openly pushing for the non-scientific choice as preferable for political reasons, not just for kooky greed by one or two of them... which is a really, really odd combination.
This has been a really, REALLY strange end to the Baby Boomer era of politics. Like a greatest hits twisted remix version of the worst of the last 200 years, dismissing everything widely considered an improvement.
Ryan Fenton
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Indeed. Dark times. And it is not even any external factors. It is just a population with too many people that are fu**** in the head.
Everyone knows.. (Score:2)
witches can be fully cured by burning a the stake.
''fasting can cure those affected by 'witchcraft,''
We have a perfect test for witches. Those that aren't, can't swim, the rest you just have to burn.
It's the same as arsenic fully cures COVID. Let's hope our science has improved in 300 years.
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Let's hope our science has improved in 300 years.
The science has improved massively. The people have not. Most still have no clue what science is and what it does and does not deliver. Or how to verify something is actually a scientifically sound statement. Hence they believe any random quack as long as that person is saying what they want to hear.
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We have a perfect test for witches.
I thought there was a better way to test for witches... https://youtu.be/zrzMhU_4m-g?t... [youtu.be]
Moron angry people do not follow his advice... (Score:2)
How is that news?
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The real news is how much attention it gets. Gossipy press is gossipy. You know how many voodoo dolls are being stuck right now?
Re:Moron angry people do not follow his advice... (Score:5, Informative)
There are actually studies that show very well that hydroxychloroquine does in fact help if testing positive but still asymptomatic
All those studies got debunked.
Or why do you think no country is simply treating everyone with it?
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There are actually studies that show very well that hydroxychloroquine does in fact help if testing positive but still asymptomatic
All those studies got debunked.
Or why do you think no country is simply treating everyone with it?
Indeed. The FDA has revoked the Emergency Use Authorization for hydroxychloroquine June 15. They did this because they had solid proof of little to no positive effect and of significant adverse side-effects. They would never have done that revocation without solid data:
https://www.fda.gov/news-event... [fda.gov]
Anybody that still insists today that hydroxychloroquine is beneficial for Covid-19 is now on the level of understanding of reality that anti-vaxxers and flat-eaerthers exhibit. These complete failures are rea
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There are actually studies that show very well that hydroxychloroquine does in fact help if testing positive but still asymptomatic.
Of course there are. Just like there are studies which show whatever weight loss miracle Dr. Oz is flogging at the moment looks promising. Anything you've ever heard of has probably has studies that say it works, but most of the time, most of those studies are wrong even when they're good science.
Real science, unlike the stuff you were taught in school, generates contradictory results, especially when dealing with complex systems. There are plenty of supplements and fringe treatments out there that have
I want to hear more about the antibody treatment (Score:2, Troll)
Re: I want to hear more about the antibody treatme (Score:3)
Synthetic, I believe.
No, it's from real people; only the best... (Score:2)
Didn't anybody forget about all the children at the border who never were matched up with their parents? They found the ones with natural immunity after experimenting upon them and ground them up to create a limited cure for only the most important stable geniuses.
No, it's not that unusual, Dick Cheney had a nation wide hunt for the perfect victim to "donate" his heart (but seriously, look that one up.)
Re: No, it's from real people; only the best... (Score:2)
Is that his other hunt? The one where he didn't shoot a homeless person six feet to the right of him* with a shotgun (great aim there, by the way! just 90 degrees off!), ... but instead *HIM suing the homeless guy* when he survived?
and not only totally getting away with it with no attempted manslaughter trial
Yes, that too, really happened. I remember Jon Steward having multiple segmens about it.
He's called Darth Cheney for a reason.
Oh, and he actually literally has no pulse or heartbeat. (He has a special
Re:I want to hear more about the antibody treatmen (Score:5, Informative)
They used DNA code that was known to produce antibodies in humans that previously got the virus, and also by injecting genetically engineered mice with part of the DNA code of the virus. That DNA code causes the mice to produce a protein that is found on the outside part of the virus. Since it is a foreign protein, this causes the mice to produce antibodies against it. The DNA code that produces those antibodies is determined. Then that DNA code is injected into hamster ovary cells and used to make the antibodies that are injected into a person.
Some more details.
The mice are "humanized" .. that is genetically engineered so that the mice have an immune system that is similar to humans.
The human DNA and mouse DNA is put into hamster ovary cells to produce human-like antibodies. Hamster ovary cells are used because they make crazy amounts of protein.
The virus DNA code is for the "spike protein" which is found on the surface of the virus. The spike protein is used by the virus to enter cells.
The antibodies are selected that bind to different versions of the spike protein so that the virus cannot easily get lucky with a mutation that allows it to make a spike protein that can escape the antibodies.
Reference: https://science.sciencemag.org... [sciencemag.org]
So what's the story here again? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:So what's the story here again? (Score:5, Informative)
No. It's not a random person, it's someone Trump endorsed and right wing organizations subsequently put on a pedestal. He still hasn't retracted it.
Re: So what's the story here again? (Score:2)
You are wondering why people are ass-mad that he doesn't try to kill himself? :D
Re:So what's the story here again? (Score:5, Informative)
But some random
Some "random" who was a lead in a fake organisation pretending to be the voice of America's medical professionals saying we don't need masks, we can re-open the economy, and the cure was hydroxycholoquine. This "random" was involved in a video shared widely on Twitter and Youtube deemed dangerous enough that it got taken down, but not before being shared by the President himself and his some of his staff/family. This "random" talking in the USA made international news the world over, hit the home pages of the news in Europe and Australia the like and this story was covered in major news organisations, not just shitty little tabloids.
Calling this person "some random" would be like calling Bill Gates "some random" when in fact it would be better to say "some famous person widely talked about the world over in relation to connections to American Frontline Doctors".
It was news then, following up on news is still news. It's also a pleasant reminder to the world that while Trump supports and actively advocates conspiracy nutbaggery, when the penny drops he does in fact go back to medical professionals.
Oh, please! (Score:5, Funny)
For the love of god, can somebody talk Trump into demanding he be put under the care of this quack.
Re:Oh, please! (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Oh, please! (Score:4, Insightful)
Well we can't afford good socialized health care for everyone so we limit it to the rich and powerful.
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I think, in my small world, you win the internet today for that comment.
Re: Oh, please! (Score:2)
Don't worry. it will be just for the moment, and totally "not be seen" later on. I know schizophrenics. Never underestimate their ability to say it ain't so. :)
Don't overcommit now, will you? (Score:3)
Weasel words: check. He's just as likely to improve within one week without treatment of any kind.
Doctors and Pharma wonder why they have a consumer confidence problem?
Re:Don't overcommit now, will you? (Score:4, Insightful)
So he should instead lie with confidence like the vitamin supplement and natural products idiots?
Trump should have put his money where his mouth is (Score:4, Insightful)
Didn't he say that Hydroxychloroquine is what he is taking to keep him out of harms way and that everyone should be buying it? I think Brazil nibbled...
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The White House statement at the end of July said [whitehouse.gov]:
Another example why people don't trust science (Score:5, Insightful)
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In large part, yes. An average uneducated Joe can't tell a scientist from a nutjob in a labcoat, the same people who build and lubricate the anti-science rabbit hole. Then industry hires these these nujobs in labcoats to produce pseudoscientific disinformation to mislead the public on products that damage our environment or bodies, or at best have no real value (such as snake oil supplements).
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We are gonna just believe, without any peer review or presented evidence, a doctor who got qualified in a second rate Nigerian university and believes that women's diseases are caused by a demon ghost having sex with them at night? Only the stupid right wing would put her on a pedestal. Even Trump who, told us we should listen to that psycho is rejecting her advice for himself. She's good enough for the rest of us though.
Good enough for us, not for Trump (Score:4, Insightful)
Trump made her famous and gave her credibility. Yet he knows better than to follow her stupid advice. Why hasn't he apologized? Why hasn't he told people he was wrong? He should be telling his followers to reject her. How many people have died by listening to her and rejecting better qualified doctors? She should be in prison for what she did. For one thing it should be easy to prove she's lying about curing so many people. Why has there been no investigation of her? Trump gave her credibility and now he's doing nothing to take that back because he knows having people reject mainstream scientists is how he will win this elections and implement his agenda.
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For more than two months [whitehouse.gov] he's been pushing for the development of and wider access to "Regeneron’s double antibody cocktail."
So it makes sense why he'd be taking that now...
and what ? (Score:2)
There's close to 8 billion people on the planet. By the rules of probability, there's plenty of complete nutjobs. There's no need to pay attention to them or include them in what's supposed to be news.
Please, /. editors, do what every sane person does: Ignore them
Re:and what ? (Score:5, Informative)
Umm, because the president of the USA recommended that they should be listened to and she was subsequently endorsed by a bunch of prominent and popular right wing organizations.
funny thing is (Score:2)
How the **** (Score:2)
Even the self respecting witchdoctors won't have jack to do with her!
Why is this here? (Score:2)
Why would you even publish this? It's just giving someone who shouldn't get the time of day, the time of day, just so you can get more clicks? Bad Slashdot.
She sounds sane (Score:2)
The cure was discovered weeks ago (Score:2)
I just love that guy! (Score:2)
Could you have thought of a better reverse psychology scheme to get Trump to kill himself?
Guy's a genius in my eyes! *wipes tear of impressed joy*
Re: No HCW suggests Trump's case is somewhat advan (Score:3)
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Listen carefully to how his doctors worded things. He was on oxygen before boarding the plane.
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That or you think there is some super secret pill that only he has access to? He was not only walking and talking almost right after being admitted, he fucking went outside and walked around after less than 48hours.
Re:No HCW suggests Trump's case is somewhat advanc (Score:5, Insightful)
Of course there are a lot fewer studies showing it does not work. The sane people stopped doing studies when the result was a clear negative and started to look elsewhere. The insane ones keep churning the fake and invalid studies out to bolster their lie.
There are also a lot more statements of "the earth is flat" and "vaccines do not work", than the converse. Same mechanism: Sane people need a negative proof once, then move on. Insane people keep harping on without anything solid how _they_ have the proof and how _their_ idea of how things work is so much superior. Everybody else is, of course, ignoring them, which just makes them scream louder.
Re: what's this story even about? (Score:2)
Re: what's this story even about? (Score:2)
No, this is a crank female doctor who agreed with Trump about Hcq.
Re:what's this story even about? (Score:5, Insightful)
First off, you horribly misinformed person .. this person .. a woman .. was endorsed by Trump as someone the American people should listen to. In spite of the fact that her qualifications (from some "university" in Nigeria that nobody ever heard of) and the fact that she has said that women's gynecological diseases are caused by the fact that a demon has sex with them while they are sleeping.
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What do you mean it doesn't work? We shouldn't pushback? You stupid Trump supporters don't care how many people he kills.
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The gotcha game doesn't work. No one cares.
So no need for news then. We should just let people say whatever they want. Promote the dangerous, and not discuss the insane which discredits it.
To be clear your suggestion that this shouldn't be news simply because *you* don't care is actually dangerous. Not as dangerous as this particular Dr. Moron or the moron in the whitehouse endorsing her, but still dangerous none the less.
Only ever reporting on one part of a popular and widely covered story about a widely covered person isn't reporting, it's propaga
Re:what's this story even about? (Score:5, Interesting)
No, I'm saying that the Bronx-Lebanon Hospital Center apparently didn't do a very good job of vetting her. Never mind that she has a degree from a Nigerian university, it's not like US institutions are any better if they can't detect her particular kind of stupid.
Sometimes doctors ... crack.
I am a physician. We had a very respected and gifted neurologist at the institution that I worked with. His opinions were always well thought out and was in line with his colleagues.
Then something shifted within him. He started believing that almost all neurologic disorders were due to chronic lyme disease, and started treating them with antibiotics. It took the hospital about a year to identify him as a threat, remove him from the medical staff, and report him to the state board.
He then left the state and started practising out of an office (so he wouldn't have to deal with another hospital) as a chronic lyme disease specialist. From what I understand, he's doing well. I have no idea if he's even registered with the state board in the state he is currently practising in.
Re:what's this story even about? (Score:5, Insightful)
Some guy — who? why do we care what some random guy says? — is upset about his pet ideas not being used. Whatever. Sounds like the least relevant thing ever.
This some *woman was a member of the made up American Frontline Doctors, an advocacy group that existed to claim hydroxychloroquine was a cure and we don't need to wear masks. This is relevant because Trump shared this video and endorsed this doctor's views. The video was deemed dangerous enough to taken down by Twitter and Youtube which caused a bit of a shitstorm.
Why did we care? Well back then it was a tech story about video take downs. Back then it caused actual harm to people who watched it and believed it.
Why do we care now? Because following up in the news is a good means of reminding people that bullshit they jumped on at the time may have infact been just that, bullshit, and that even the MoronOTUS endorsing someone doesn't necessarily mean he actually believes a word they say or would follow their advice in an emergency.
Re: Seriously? /. is turning into crap. (Score:3)
Seems more like a recovery from right wing incels.
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What's next? The Top 10 Ways to Roast Your Coffee?
Number 7 will shock you !
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Bacon?
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Time was Slashdot had relevance.
You don't think following up on an international story from July is relevant? Incidentally when Slashdot discussed this in July it became one of them most commented on stories of the month https://science.slashdot.org/s... [slashdot.org]
What's next? The Top 10 Ways to Roast Your Coffee?
If we just ran a highly commented on story about how roasting a coffee a specific way could be dangerous to your health, then yes I'd expect Slashdot to cover how to roast your coffee.
But do we really need to? I mean we've already discussed computer controlled coffee roasting https://hard [slashdot.org]
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When trump stops doing malignant things which literally seem designed to kill people, we can stop bashing him.
When trump stops doing malignant things which literally seem designed to kill people, your defense of him will seem less like supporting killing off Americans to bolster his poll numbers.
Or you could just stop supporting Trump, which is a hell of a lot more likely than Trump not supporting letting people die in order to make himself look good.
Re:Oh look, it's a hit piece (Score:5, Funny)
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This doctor promoted a drug that Trump also promoted! And the doctor is a fucking nutter! That proves Trump believes in nutty things!
This is a nutty doctor that Trump promoted.
That does indeed show Trump promotes nutty things. (Even if he now shows he doesn't believe them himself when playing with his own chips)
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If I made a program that can think just like you, would you happily shoot yourself knowing you live on as the program?
What if the program already made that same choice and deleted itself...
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Well said, the shaking the jar thing I read earlier today and its really quite glaring if you step back and dont assume I am right, double check all your own assumptions and fact check all the things the head on fire people are saying.
But you and I will be modded down soon enough and no one will ever see it this tiny bit of interesting stuff.
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What assumptions? Trump endorsed her and people are listening to her because of that.
Re:Oh look, it's a hit piece (Score:5, Informative)
How about zero degrees of separation. Trump ENDORSED this woman. And still refuses to retract it even though she's now put on a pedestal by many right wing organizations. Apparently they didn't bother to vette her and now they think she's going to help him get elected. That's the only reason I can think of as to why many pro-Trump right wing organizations and podcasts are continuing to treat her as an expert. He needs to tell them to disavow her, right after he apologizes.
Re:Isn't his choice? (Score:5, Insightful)
Being angry at Trump for making a different decision seems rather silly.
I wonder why Trump would take a different decision to the one he told everyone else to make...
He should have used the hoax doctor for the hoax disease. He'd get much better ratings.
Re: Isn't his choice? (Score:3)
Can you please give one ounce of reference? You may not realize it but you dropped a ton of statements that glosses over a mountain of caveats.
Re:Isn't his choice? (Score:5, Informative)
HCQ is about $10, safe, and improves odds about 70%.
Yes. No. No.
HCQ is cheap. It has to be to treat malaria considering how many people need to take it.
It is not safe. Not even close to being safe. It's so unsafe the FDA pulled its Emergency Use Authorization for the drug [fda.gov] due to the serious side effects as well as there being no benefit for recovery or prevention of death.
We made this determination based on recent results from a large, randomized clinical trial in hospitalized patients that found these medicines showed no benefit for decreasing the likelihood of death or speeding recovery. This outcome was consistent with other new data, including those showing the suggested dosing for these medicines are unlikely to kill or inhibit the virus that causes COVID-19.
Still further, a month later, the FDA again cautioned not to use the drug due to heart arrhythmia, kidney and liver damage (including failure) as well as blood disorders.
Maybe it's just me, but when the nation's premier governmental agency says not to use a product because it could potentially kill you, when it's not simply mangling you, and provides the data to back up its statements, that seems a pretty good bet it, unlike you, knows what it's talking about.
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The dosages are far smaller and only taken once per week according to this CDC cheat sheet [cdc.gov]. A doctor prescribes the dosage with an upper limit of 400 mg per week.
Also, malaria is parasitic-based rather than viral-based. Two different attack vectors. Hydrochloroquine suppresses the body's autoimmune response. It doesn't cure anything. This is why it helps people with arthritis. This is also why it does nothing to prevent someone from contracting covid-19, or any other virus. It is not an anti-viral medication so it has no effect, nor is it an antibiotic.
It may still have side effects in people with underlying medical conditions, but overall it is safe for what is intended in the dosages prescribed.
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Academic title? Did you check where she went to university?
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> She is from a different culture and does not share all your beliefs. For this you mock her.
No, she is mocked because her professional beliefs are disproven by observed, measured results in empirical results and REALITY.
And for trying to turn this into a "cultural tolerance" issue rather than a "medical professional pushing dangerous rubbish treatments" issue, now you're going to get mocked too; and quite deservedly.