The WHO Announces End of Its Testing of Hydroxychloroquine (upi.com) 80
"The World Health Organization announced Saturday that it discontinued its trial on hydroxychloroquine's effect on COVID-19 patients in hospitals," reports UPI:
WHO said in a statement that it accepted a recommendation from the Solidarity Trial's International Steering Committee that it stop the testing of the drug. The decision to cease the trial came after interim trial results showed that the anti-malaria drug had little or no reduction in mortality of patients hospitalized for the novel coronavirus...
The National Institute of Health similarly halted a hydroxychloroquine trial last month after a study showed no harm or benefit from the anti-malaria drug's use in hospitalized COVID-19 patients. Last month, British researchers similarly found no benefit of hydroxychloroquine.
The National Institute of Health similarly halted a hydroxychloroquine trial last month after a study showed no harm or benefit from the anti-malaria drug's use in hospitalized COVID-19 patients. Last month, British researchers similarly found no benefit of hydroxychloroquine.
Re:First Lady (Score:5, Insightful)
Yeah, the entire world is holding out on a cheap, plentiful miracle treatment for COVID-19 only to make Trump look stupid.
Did you eat paint chips as a kid?
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world... [bbc.com]
"More than 500,000 people worldwide have now lost their lives as a result of the coronavirus pandemic, according to Johns Hopkins University in the US."
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If we isolated, used masks and took all the other preventative measures that we've taken with Covid 19, far fewer people would die during flu season. The 500,000+ death toll is WITH all those preventative measures in place.
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Orange Man is doing that just fine all by himself. The problem is, his supporters aren't any better at reading between the lines than he is at reading anything, and they need import spelled out for them. That's what low-information voters are like, and why republicrats adore them so.
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Dr. Zervos also pointed out, as does the paper, that the study results should be interpreted with some caution, should not be applied to patients treated outside of hospital settings and require further confirmation in prospective, randomized controlled trials that rigorously evaluate the safety and efficacy of hydroxychloroquine therapy for COVID-19.
And it is from over a month ago.
But hey! Dr. Zervos is cautious because he secretly hates Trump.
I do wonder if EditorDavis (Score:3)
Lined up these two HCQ stories like this on purpose.
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Oh yeah, and it's all sponsored by Georgo Soros, false flag dude, FALSE FLAG!!!
I really wish I could tell attempts at parody from right-wing conspiracy thinking from deliberate trolling.
But I can't.
Re: I do wonder if EditorDavis (Score:2)
Says AnonymousCoward
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It's still safe though... (Score:5, Funny)
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Fortunately, your fish isn't in a position of influence, where his irrational beliefs and baseless statements would divert precious resources from serious research on a COVID-19 cure. Imagine if it was, the damage he could have done...
Re:It's still safe though... (Score:4, Insightful)
Oddly enough - there is tons of bad research done all the time. You just do not hear about it.
Darn! Wish I had mod points. This is absolutely to the point.
Science is messy, takes time, and initial results often contradict each other. Never believe one result. Science is about confirmation.
Did the result get confirmed by other labs? That's when you start to believe it. Until then, it's just a hypothesis.
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"But based on the fact that the WHO has admitted to lying [and only after they were caught] . They lied repeatedly in fact. Who really cares what they say. They do not have the best track record at this point."
Does this not apply to Trump as well? Considering that HCQ interest has been entirely predicated on Trump lies regarding it, why does anyone care about HCQ at all?
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Be honest: If he dies, do you care?
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Be careful. his replacement might be twice as dangerous as the present one.
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Also true. Ya know, looking back through the past 50 years or so, it seems that VPs have mostly been assassination deterrents rather than running mates. As in "Ok, I could cap the fucker, but then THAT bozo becomes prez..."
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This is why Biden is going to run with...let's see now...Al Sharpton.
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Biden got his Sharpton, Trump got his Pence. Both exist mostly as the "he's bad, but busting a cap in his ass would only make it worse" assassination brake.
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What's his name? [grin]
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Isn't there a sunny riverbank in your area that would be a good place for making clay tablets?
Why all the chatter about hydroxychloroquine ? (Score:3)
There are many, many other drugs that are being looked at - but most of the chatter is about hydroxychloroquine.Yes: I know the history of what Trump said, but lets get real and talk about what matters.
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He's the POTUS and has a diehard group of followers who eat whatever he says with a spoon.
He said "I could stand in the streets and shoot people and not lose a single vote." That combined with the above should scare the average voter shitless. If you want Hitler, that's how you get Hitler.
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The moment Trump publicly mentioned hydroxychloroquine may have preventive effects, was the same moment the Netherlands `banned` hydroxychloroquine as in: forbid general practitioners to treat patients preventative. Even if low dose has no ill side effects at all, so no harm being done if it would not work.
Real reason being - in my country 80% is so blindly hating Trump that anything he says must be wrong, hence they do the opposite. It's like a compass always pointing south.
If Trump would say Europe needs
Re: Why all the chatter about hydroxychloroquine ? (Score:1)
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There are many, many other drugs that are being looked at - but most of the chatter is about hydroxychloroquine.Yes: I know the history of what Trump said, but lets get real and talk about what matters.
Yes let's ignore Trump and talk about what matters. So let's discus hydroxychloroquine. I mean it was the most promising drug, the most heavily studied drug, the only drug to go on wide spread clinical trials sponsored by countries so it stands to reason that what matters most is .... what happens with hydroxychloroquine.
Trump is irrelevant. What *matters* is the outcome of the most actively researched drug.
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Why? Because of all the cheap drugs studied for SARS-1 in the many years after the SARS-1 epidemic, HCQ had the best results. That's why it was tried on SARS-2 and seems to have a nice effect as a prophylactic when given as an ionophore with as Zinc, alternately invermectin, or, somewhat, a macrolide like azithromycin. Research hasn't stopped on SARS-1, which is why we have monoclonal antibody platforms already going into production for SARS-2.
The real trick seems to be that lots of zinc in the endosomes
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The British study was so complicit that they gave patients doses near the LD-50 (and you know that 50 > 0 so far-sigmas die sooner)
Wait, what? The LD50 for hydroxychloroquine is 330mg/kg, and the oral LD50 is 1240 mg/kg. They gave 1200 mg (presumably orally) on the first day, and 800 mg per day after that. Are you telling me that the average patient weighed less than a kilogram?
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HCQ doesn't work. It doesn't work early. It doesn't work late. It doesn't work ever. We've already had two randomized trials show that it doesn't help.
There was barely anecdotal lab data that showed it might help with SARS-1. There was weak anecdotal evidence that it helped with SARS-2.
But now that we have multiple randomized trials with thousands of patients. If it helps, the benefit is so minuscule that it doesn't rise above the noise.
We need to move on so that we can try things that might actually wor
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Gilead and other Big Pharma are among the largest advertising buyers on the agitprop media platforms, so they have multiple masters, and advocating against HCQ serves them as well.
So why then are they promoting dexamethasone which a couple dollars per dose and generic?
https://www.sciencemag.org/new... [sciencemag.org]
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Hey it would be great if a cheap and mature drug worked on the virus but I'm not going to go around cheerleading it like some people do. The latest study used it in conjunction with steroids.
Overdosing doesn't work (Score:4, Insightful)
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Who is overdosing them? The doses used in studies have ranged from malaria prophylaxis levels (usually safe) to lupus treatment levels (some risk of having to stop treatment because of complications).
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And for the record, I have a friend who has Lupus, takes HCQ and got Covid-19. So don't let anyone tell you that "No Lupus patients have ever gotten COV-19!" They are wrong I personally know one.
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I am so sick of all this corona bullshit. 500k people dead in 6 months is nothing. 155k die of normal causes every day. It's a blip on the radar. Even if a few million people die, I just don't care.
Flatten the curve they said, wrong.
Ventilators they said, wrong.
Death toll, wrong.
Transmission rate wrong.
Risk vector wrong.
Lockdown wrong.
Second wave, wrong.
Ugh!
You... literally everything you said is wrong. You didn't take a statistics class in school did you?
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Stats is what I do for a living mate
That's pretty frightening as you seem to think that 500k deaths is nothing when it took lock downs that will wipe 5-10% off the GDP in most G20 economies to achieve this. Do you understand exponential growth, at least?
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> Even if a few million people die, I just don't care.
Go get your antibodies then. Don't let anybody dissuade you.
https://c19study.com/ (Score:1)
Hahah WHO works for Trump (Score:1)
Of COURSE they don't want you to use it (Score:1)
bad test (Score:3)
- Dosage: they gave a dosis which was too high, do they mention zinc?
This means it is a bad test, designed to give HCQ (Hydroxychloroquine) a bad name, to avoid giving the people a cure, to force people on a vaccine that will never work.