Trump Goes To Hospital After Testing Positive For COVID-19 (bbc.com) 279
President Donald Trump has been flown to the hospital less than 24 hours after testing positive for COVID-19. The BBC reports: The White House said the decision to transport him to Walter Reed National Military Medical Center was taken "out of an abundance of caution." Mr Trump began exhibiting "mild symptoms" of Covid-19 on Thursday. He said early on Friday he and First Lady Melania Trump had tested positive. The White House said he was feeling "fatigued but in good spirits."
Wearing a mask and suit, Mr Trump walked out across the White House lawn on Friday afternoon to his helicopter, Marine One, for the short trip to hospital. He waved and gave a thumbs-up to reporters but said nothing before boarding the aircraft. In a video posted to Twitter, Mr Trump said: "I want to thank everybody for the tremendous support. I'm going to Walter Reed hospital. I think I'm doing very well. But we're going to make sure that things work out. The first lady is doing very well. So thank you very much, I appreciate it, I will never forget it -- thank you."
Wearing a mask and suit, Mr Trump walked out across the White House lawn on Friday afternoon to his helicopter, Marine One, for the short trip to hospital. He waved and gave a thumbs-up to reporters but said nothing before boarding the aircraft. In a video posted to Twitter, Mr Trump said: "I want to thank everybody for the tremendous support. I'm going to Walter Reed hospital. I think I'm doing very well. But we're going to make sure that things work out. The first lady is doing very well. So thank you very much, I appreciate it, I will never forget it -- thank you."
Mild symptoms (Score:5, Interesting)
Apparently, the appropriate reaction to "mild symptoms" is a helicopter ride to hospital and an experimental treatment [medicalxpress.com].
Re:Mild symptoms (Score:5, Insightful)
Yeah, In the UK Boris Johnson had mild symptoms and was perfectly fine, and he ended up in intensive care on oxygen (but not ventilator) for three days, with two weeks off work afterwards to recover, and then very very low level of visibility and work for a while after that.
He's off to hospital because the doctors are worried. As well they might be - in one day he has gone from 'symptom-less' to 'mild effects' to 'mild fever' to hospital.
It's likely still precautionary, but Trump, at 74, obese, and with what some might call dementia of some sort, has a high risk profile for the virus.
And earlier care will surely improve the outcome for him.
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Yep, for sure. I understand the caution. I hope Trump recovers, but I also hope that he gets enough of a scare to realize that COVID-19 is serious and to stop spreading misinformation about it to his base.
Re:Mild symptoms (Score:5, Informative)
He already knew it was serious and knew it pretty early.
Re:Mild symptoms (Score:5, Funny)
Quite a lot of covid patients show up at the doctor with relatively mild symptoms, end up hospitalized for observation, then moved to intensive care all without 24 to 48 hours. The symptoms can go from mild to severe very quickly.
And Trump has three risk factors: older, obsese, and low-income.
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Hey I'm pretty sure they'd do the same for you and me.
They would .. right?
Wait is that a paddy wagon?
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If the experimental treatment is working they'll probably let him do the entire 18 holes.
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But that's only a fraction of the number of women he has "allegedly" sexually assaulted - he is accustomed to more holes than 18. What will he do, grab them all by the pussy and treat them as bowling balls?
I hope the hospital has plenty of Hydroxychloroquine and "injectable" disinfectant for his treatment.
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Re:Mild symptoms (Score:5, Insightful)
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I can't imagine Trump agreeing to go to hospital unless it was really serious.
He didn't tweet for over 24 hours either, suggesting it's really bad. When he finally did the wording didn't sound like him, more like a staffer, suggesting he may be incapacitated.
The real problem is that the Whitehouse is so untrustworthy we simply can't take their word for anything.
I said this on another thread (Score:5, Funny)
I am very worried about his condition. COVID has well documented effects on the brain. Sometimes even in minor cases, and his case doesn't seem minor (they flew him to Walter Reed, given how much medical gear is already at the WH that means he's in rough shape). He's also not tweeting...
I don't think he's getting out of this unscathed. Rather than affecting him for the better it might make him mentally unstable.
Re:Mild symptoms (Score:4, Informative)
OTOH, Carter never tried to kill people's healthcare or claimed that cancer was "just the sniffles" or that it would be gone by April^WEaster^WSummer^WFall^WAny day now.
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For Carter, one of the advantages of being president is that he had secret service to help him out when he was attacked by a rabbit.
let's hope people take it more seriously (Score:2)
seriously
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How many folks did he infect? (Score:3)
Re:How many folks did he infect? (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm sure everyone who has come near him in the White House or elsewhere needs to be checked often.
That's the thing, they were checked often and he still got it. Likely because he and his circle couldn't be bothered to wear masks.
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That's the thing, they were checked often and he still got it. Likely because he and his circle couldn't be bothered to wear masks.
One thing to keep in mind is the rapid testing being done at the Whitehouse is poor compared to PCR testing.
https://www.biorxiv.org/conten... [biorxiv.org]
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Karma is a bitch named Hope.
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What 'authorities' do you mean, do you mean spokes people within the White House sphere, like HHS spokesperson Michael Caputo https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/15... [cnn.com]
Or do you mean random Republican Governors like Florida's Ron Desantis https://www.pbs.org/newshour/h... [pbs.org]
I'm not really aware of any 'authority' who wasn't within Trump's sphere who suggested mask use was a bad idea so seriously what authority has been unclear in the last few months on mask use.
Nah, the orange dipshit made this bed, now he can see if
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'The authorities' have been all over the place on mask use. If you actually look back over the recent months it hasn't been Trump vs the entire world like the media narrative would like you to believe
The authorities were all over the place in the early days, largely because of conflicting data in previous studies on previous diseases. But at some point, we had enough real data to point to a pretty clear benefit.
Since then, pretty much all of the authorities have said that they are useful, with the exception of Republican politicians and a handful of doctors with no epidemiological background talking about subjects way outside their areas of expertise.
Re:How many folks did he infect? (Score:5, Insightful)
Do you really think the whole world is out to get Trump, and killing the worlds economy just to get back at Trump? Even countries like Israel that are very pro-Trump. Perhaps that Brazilian pro-Trump guy just decided to kill thousands of his citizens to make Trump look bad. Same with India locking down.
It is worse then the flu, it is also pretty safe gathering outside and keeping apart.
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They haven't been all over the place for months. Fuck your disinformation
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Re: How many folks did he infect? (Score:2)
Definitely not seeing the text you quoted on the WHO site. Perhaps you are seeing cached text from March or April?
When I actually read the site you linked, I see the following:
âoeIf there is widespread community transmission, and especially in settings where physical distancing cannot be maintained, governments should encourage the general public to wear a fabric mask. WHO also provides details on the composition of a fabric mask and how to safely wear one.â
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It is true, in a healthy population with no one having COVID, masks are a waste of time. It only becomes important when there are sick people, including those not showing symptoms, around.
Lats take bets (Score:2)
which of the 1's at the fundraisers go first.
Re: How many folks did he infect? (Score:2)
Hope hicks and at least 3 journalists from the white house press corps, and counting. Plus Melania. Most likely at least one of the kids before the weekend is out
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As of 15 minutes ago, you can add Sen.Thom Thillis (R-NC) to the list. He announced he's got COVID-19 too. He was also at the Rose Garden ceremony announcing Trump's Supreme Court pick, which seems to have been something of a superspreader event.
https://www.witn.com/2020/10/0... [witn.com]
Re: How many folks did he infect? (Score:5, Informative)
And now it's being announced that Senator Mike Lee (R-UT) also has the coronavirus. He was also at Trump's Rose Garden ceremony (without masks or social distancing).
Man, when they said Trump destroyed the GOP, it turned out to be somewhat prophetic.
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In private, Trump is a germophobe. Rumor has it that he was angry at a white house valet who did NOT wear a mask when serving the him. On the other hand he is very chummy with a lot of people, so it's possible the germophobia does not apply to family, friends, or attractive aides.
Not his happy place (Score:2)
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I dare say Donald will get a call from his mate Boris, here in the UK, to cheer him up.
Don't worry, it is only the end of the world as we know it.
Re:Not his happy place (Score:4, Informative)
Not for 76 year old males.
The appropriate response (Score:2)
In this dark hour, we must use the appropriate response [9cache.com].
This is a BeauHD dupe.. of - (Score:3)
another BeauHD thread. https://yro.slashdot.org/story... [slashdot.org]
Well. I guess that was ages ago, and everyone's forgotten.
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That one was about him being diagnosed, this one is about him getting hospitalized.
Reading is fundamental. Do you need more crayons?
HCQ+zinc not good enough? (Score:5, Insightful)
So he is happy to take the Regeneron polyclonal antibodies while prescribing just hydroxychloroquine and bleach for the rest of us? Why did he shove that hydroxychloroquine witch doctor on us in his tweet while getting treatment from real doctors? Why didn't he invite her to be his personal physician if she's so great enough for the rest of us?
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Because he's a lying moron
Re:HCQ+zinc not good enough? (Score:5, Insightful)
Lots of people quite genuinely spout all sorts of bullshit until they're actually sick themselves, then they suddenly want the best possible treatment from people who are actually qualified to know what that is.
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Trump has been promoting antibody-based therapies for COVID since at least the end of July [whitehouse.gov]. Why wouldn't he be taking his own advice?
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Haha! Actually false, but OK. How does anything I've ever said .. right or wrong .. compare with what Trump does as president? He has a much higher level of responsibility to vette his BS. He tells people hydroxychloroquine is the cure .. crazy amounts of people subscribe to that. He retweets fringe witch doctors, people believe them over scientists. Trump tells people to inject themselves with bleach, they listen (at lest two or three people died from it). He never says "oops I was wrong, sorry". He makes
Green screen Tweet (Score:2)
sound serious judging from the last Tweet that looked like it was filmed in front of a green screen and had crazy reverb to the sound. Also for someone who doesn't listen to sane doctors he sure seems to be listening this time.
Masks don't work (Score:5, Insightful)
So then why is he and his staff wearing one now?
Asking for a friend.
He let his right wing thugs push one narrative well he lives a different one.
He knows he needs the votes of anti-science people while he himself knows science works. He doesn't mind them spreading deadly falsehoods as long as he can win the election. How many vulnerable people got infected thanks to his mockery of masks and social distancing?
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When I saw Trump get on that helicopter... (Score:5, Funny)
...I had Nixon flashbacks and was suddenly in a happy place.
Re:When I saw Trump get on that helicopter... (Score:5, Insightful)
The only downside is acting president Mike Pence. You know the guy who personally speaks to god, refers to his wife as "mother" and is scared to be alone in a room with another woman. Because she might use her special sex powers to seduce him...
Re:When I saw Trump get on that helicopter... (Score:4, Insightful)
In Republican terms that's a business class upgrade from steerage.
Re:May he have a speedy recovery (Score:5, Insightful)
Foolish pleb. He's wealthy. They never(*) stand trial for their crimes.
(*) Within some small epsilon
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This is all been planned out ahead of time. President Trump gets COVID-19 just long enough for Vice President Pence to take power in order to pardon Trump before any of that "standing trial for crimes" stuff happens. Trump recovers, reassumes the role of POTUS and goes on to win (or lose) the re-election.
Trump wins either way.
Re:May he have a speedy recovery (Score:5, Insightful)
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Agreed. There are no pictures.
Re: May he have a speedy recovery (Score:3)
I think he's more of a Twitter user.
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He doesn't read slashdot, save your Thoughts and Prayers bullshit for Facebook.
It's best those people send their thoughts and prayers. If they can't, they may do something that's actually useful instead...
Better to just let them think they were useful.
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In any other situation, I'd dismiss that as crazy fantasy, but fuck... this presidency? Nothing would surprise me.
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Trump can pardon him self
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Are you sure? Constitutional experts seem unsure [theatlantic.com].
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It's never been tried before. SCOTUS would have to rule on it's constitutionality.
Re: May he have a speedy recovery (Score:2, Insightful)
You mean the stacked scotus? The one that is currently 5-3 conservative?
They will not only allow it but decare terms limits to be unconstitutional to allow Trump to keep running.
There is no low Trump won't sinknyo as long as it is good for trump
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By definition, term limits can NOT be unconstitutional, as they are specified in the Constitution.
The 22nd Amendment is PART of the Constitution.
Re: May he have a speedy recovery (Score:2)
The experts are only unsure because it has never been tried. But itâ(TM)s moot at any rate since this administration has decided that a sitting president canâ(TM)t be indicted in the first place.
Re: May he have a speedy recovery (Score:3, Insightful)
Not true. Ford pardoned Nixon- no trial ahead of time.
For all those saying we should not wish him evil, do the math. If he had died of covid 6 months ago, everyone would be wearing masks and there'd be 100,000 fewer dead Americans. If he dies this month, 100,000 more lives will be saved because people will take masks seriously.
I'm sticking with the math.
Re: May he have a speedy recovery (Score:3, Interesting)
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Of the states with more than 1,000 deaths/Million population, only one [worldometers.info], the lowest one of the group at 1,008, Mississippi, isn't a Democratic stronghold. NY/NJ are still 70% worse.
This is because it was a set of Democratic states which failed to "bend the curve", and failed to protect the elderly, while the Republican states did. A big part of the point of that was to push cases and deaths into the future, remember?
Re: May he have a speedy recovery (Score:4, Insightful)
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Democrat states tend to have high density cities and transport hubs. Give it time, the virus is working it way around.
Re: May he have a speedy recovery (Score:5, Informative)
The vast majority of deaths were in blue states and cities.
Show me a map of death rates controlled for population density.
Thanks for stopping the confusion. (Score:2)
Thanks for saying that.
Ford "pardoning" Nixon was a special situation? (Score:2)
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I was pretty sure that presidential pardon power only applies to crimes for which one has received a conviction, which means he would have had to stand trial *first*.
Am I wrong?
Re: May he have a speedy recovery (Score:2)
You are. Nixon was pardoned without ever being convicted. However, the caveat is that accepting a pardon is also tacit admission that what you did was illegal in the first place.
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You are. Nixon was pardoned without ever being convicted. However, the caveat is that accepting a pardon is also tacit admission that what you did was illegal in the first place.
No it isn't. It says you don't want to risk going to trial.
Re: May he have a speedy recovery (Score:2)
You can't be pardoned for crimes you didn't commit. By accepting a pardon you are admitting guilt for those crimes.
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"You can't pardon state crimes"
Well, the president of US can't pardon state crimes. Generally, the governor of the state can, depending on what's exactly in the state constitution. Andrew Cuomo isn't likely to giving Trump any pardons any time soon.
Re: May he have a speedy recovery (Score:2)
If that happens, I will legitimately be impressed.
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You have to have been convicted of a crime to receive a pardon.
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Tell that to President Ford. Nixon was never convicted of a crime.
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You have to leave the presidency to face criminal prosecution.
Trump could get cuffs slapped on him on the way out of the White House.
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They can make things worse, ignoring social distancing rules thinking that a mask makes it safe is one example. Masks help, but they're not perfect, which is why they're only advised here when you can't social distance. Only safe thing is not to be around other people.
Re:May he have a speedy recovery (Score:5, Interesting)
The issue here with Trump is not necessarily that he wasn't protecting those around him, but that as a president getting daily briefings from health advisors who is not wearing a mask is sending a huge signal to others that wearing a mask is not important. It's hard for the country to take the mask seriously when the guy in charge is mocking those who do wear a mask. Maybe we should call this vice signaling?
Also, at this point we can't reallly be sure if Trump caught this from Hope Hicks, or if Hicks caught this from Trump, or if they caught from a third person.
Re:May he have a speedy recovery (Score:4, Informative)
Also, at this point we can't reallly be sure if Trump caught this from Hope Hicks, or if Hicks caught this from Trump, or if they caught from a third person.
Amateur contact tracing on Twitter is pointing to the ceremony around nominating Barrett, based on the individuals who are now announcing they are positive. That would also be about the right amount of time for people to start showing symptoms themselves.
Can't recover... (Score:3)
...from something you never had. I find it more likely that he has nothing, that his team wants him out of the next debate because he can't shut up, and that this is a convenient excuse. I suspect his team thought he'd take less heat from having to eat his words for mocking Biden for wearing a mask than he would from appearing at the next debate and making another mockery of himself and his country. Two weeks in quarantine, and he can go one and say he's having all these experimental treatments which wil
Re:Wow (Score:5, Insightful)
It's not exactly the same. Ginsburg didn't get sick from / die from something that she mocked as being no threat and personally mismanaged, for instance. Also, Ginsburg was classy and deserved class returned to her in turn. Trump, OTOH...
Re: Wow (Score:3, Insightful)
Name one, dumbass. Supreme Court opinions are generally cited as XXX U.S. NNN, rather than F(ox)3d.
Re: Wow (Score:3)
Trump yee's he canceled flights but refused to issue nation wide lockdowns early nd barely acked up or provided any help to govenors. 3/4 of this country ha s travel bans againist each other. Because of his inaction you can't go to Europe, Canada,mexico, etc. Instead of leading through the crisis he repeatedly made statements like masks are bad undermining the efforts of those trying to control the virus.
New zealand went 102 days without any covid cases and in a week had 30. That is how contagious and e
Re:Wow (Score:5, Insightful)
"2. How exactly did trump personally 'mismanage' covid?" - We just had a recording made public where he admitted it was multiple times worse than the flu. Yet refused to go public with this information as to "not cause a panic". Telling people it will "go away on it's own" in March, April, May, etc., etc. wasn't so it wouldn't cause a panic to the general public. It was so it wouldn't cause a panic on Wallstreet.
"... Basically he's done pretty much everything a normal President can be expected to (closing down borders..." - Unless it's people on cruise ships who were allowed to go home and infect everyone around them. Rather than require them to be quarantined. Trump then stating, "No one knew at that time..." is bull crap since he did know. See previous comment.
"The difference is Trump owns it while RGB pretends to be classy in a position that is supposed to be far more reserved and above the fray than the Presidency." - Above the fray of the Presidency? You mean like Scalia was when he went hunting with Vice President Cheney a mere week before Scalia gave a vote and an opinion on a case which directly had implications on Cheney's company? How far above was that?
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2. How exactly did trump personally 'mismanage' covid?
This question is asked and answered so often here, I find it hard to believe you're asking in good faith. Nevertheless, here are some answers.
Note that the US is the 10th worst country in the world for death rate [worldometers.info], and that's if you coun
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The US has a worse death rate than:
The UK (but not by much), Italy (but not by much), Sweden, France, the Netherlands, Ireland, Canada, Switzerland, Portugal, Israel, Germany, Denmark, Austria, Finland, Norway, Australia, Iceland, Japan, South Korea, and New Zealand... among many others.
Which of those are banana dictatorships? Which of those have no real testing infrastructure?
You'll have to elaborate on the "incentivized to blow up the rates" thing. That sounds like a very difficult claim to prove or di
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What does testing have dick all to do with death rates?
Are you suggesting testing causes more deaths?
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How exactly did trump personally 'mismanage' covid?
Ask Herman Cain.
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Look up "hoisted up by one's own pitard."
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Imagine if Trump does die and goes to limbo. And Ginsberg is the judge who gets to decide if he goes to Heaven or Hell.
*grabs some popcorn*
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It would be easier to find if you looked up "hoist with his own petard."
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Get some perspective, moran. Everyone here isn't partially or directly responsible for the death of 209K U.S. citizens.