Researchers Finally Create Metal Wires Made from Carbon (berkeley.edu) 72
University of California at Berkeley has made a big announcement:
Transistors based on carbon rather than silicon could potentially boost computers' speed and cut their power consumption more than a thousandfold — think of a mobile phone that holds its charge for months — but the set of tools needed to build working carbon circuits has remained incomplete until now.
A team of chemists and physicists at the University of California, Berkeley, has finally created the last tool in the toolbox, a metallic wire made entirely of carbon, setting the stage for a ramp-up in research to build carbon-based transistors and, ultimately, computers.
"Staying within the same material, within the realm of carbon-based materials, is what brings this technology together now," said Felix Fischer, UC Berkeley professor of chemistry, noting that the ability to make all circuit elements from the same material makes fabrication easier. "That has been one of the key things that has been missing in the big picture of an all-carbon-based integrated circuit architecture."
Heat was used to induce the molecules to join together, in a process Fischer compares to an atomic-scale set of Legos. "They are all precisely engineered so that there is only one way they can fit together. It's as if you take a bag of Legos, and you shake it, and out comes a fully assembled car. That is the magic of controlling the self-assembly with chemistry..."
"I believe this technology will revolutionize how we build integrated circuits in the future..." Fischer said.
A team of chemists and physicists at the University of California, Berkeley, has finally created the last tool in the toolbox, a metallic wire made entirely of carbon, setting the stage for a ramp-up in research to build carbon-based transistors and, ultimately, computers.
"Staying within the same material, within the realm of carbon-based materials, is what brings this technology together now," said Felix Fischer, UC Berkeley professor of chemistry, noting that the ability to make all circuit elements from the same material makes fabrication easier. "That has been one of the key things that has been missing in the big picture of an all-carbon-based integrated circuit architecture."
Heat was used to induce the molecules to join together, in a process Fischer compares to an atomic-scale set of Legos. "They are all precisely engineered so that there is only one way they can fit together. It's as if you take a bag of Legos, and you shake it, and out comes a fully assembled car. That is the magic of controlling the self-assembly with chemistry..."
"I believe this technology will revolutionize how we build integrated circuits in the future..." Fischer said.
Since when... (Score:4, Insightful)
is carbon a metal ?
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"in astronomy, any element besides hydrogen or helium is a metal."
Actually to astronomers, Lithium is not a metal . since it existed before stars formed. Everything heavier required fusion.
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In chemistry, hydrogen and helium can have metallic properties.
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And in computing it's all just ones and zeroes.
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In applied physics, it's just the presence or absence of electrons.
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Won't somebody think of the protons and neutrons!
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Re:Since when... (Score:5, Interesting)
some forms of carbon are called a quasi-metal. Conductivity of graphite for example is about a hundredth of copper along basal planes but at right angles to that a thousandth of even that. Weird stuff!
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So what you are saying is that electrons know basic geometry? Fascinating!
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Organic polymers used in electronics approach the conductivity of metals. This is regular production stuff in the manufacture of advanced electrolytic capacitors.
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yes they are conductive, some along the carbons with modified orbitals if not doped with other elements. But adding those other elements, usually by acids, would be very hard without destroying other things, on the scale of integrated circuits
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Since when is carbon a metal ?
1871 at the very latest. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
Nope. (Score:3)
Never mind, I got it wrong.
Re:Since when... (Score:5, Interesting)
Unlike graphene, which is a two-dimensional semimetal, carbon nanotubes are either metallic or semiconducting along the tubular axis. For a given (n,m) nanotube, if n = m, the nanotube is metallic; if n m is a multiple of 3 and n m and nm 0, then the nanotube is quasi-metallic with a very small band gap, otherwise the nanotube is a moderate semiconductor
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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I think the source paper for that refers to it as similar to metal in some aspects of it.
"Such fullerene tubules should have the advantages (compared to the other conjugated carbon systems) of a carrier density similar to that of metals and zero band gap at room temperature." from the synopsis
can't read the full paper without a login, which is bs for a source of course.
but anyhow, the linked metal article makes it quite clear that everything is metal. still, should just call it metal-like if it's a public a
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Just because you reduce the power consumed by computation does not mean you reduce the power consumed by data transmission, data reception, powering a display (something that already consumes a huge percentage of a phones power budget), power conversion losses, battery self discharge. > think of a mobile phone that holds its charge for months Wow what a specious comment.
And all of that is a fraction of the power used by data centers. I do not know what the energy usage of data centers is versus the personal computing devices used by the entire world population It was the author of the summary/article that misunderstands the true importance of what such a breakthrough would allow.
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For me, I would like a mobile phone with an exceptionally efficient receiver. I hardly ever initiate calls, so I do not use much RF transmit power. I like to receive texts and other data promptly. This needs a receiver to be awake most of the time.
Re:That is a carbon wire, not a metal one! (Score:4, Insightful)
One of the definitions of metallic is "metal like". If the wires are fully conducting, then apparently they are considered metallic.
These are chemists who are using this phrasing, after all. I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt.
Re:That is a carbon wire, not a metal one! (Score:5, Informative)
Here's a related article from Science:
Inducing metallicity in graphene nanoribbons via zero-mode superlattices [sciencemag.org]
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Got a reference for that? Because the sources I found require it to be some metal-containing compound to be "metallic".
Re:That is a carbon wire, not a metal one! (Score:4, Informative)
It's a dictionary definition of metallic:
1. Of, relating to, or having the characteristics of a metal [thefreedictionary.com] ("Containing a metal is definition 2).
It'a also a chemistry definition of metallic:
An element's metallic properties refer to its propensity to behave like the elements that are classified as metals in the periodic table [reference.com]
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Ok, then I restrict my criticism to the headline calling these wire "metal". Because that they are not.
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These are chemists who are using this phrasing, after all. I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt.
Chemists? The same people who think glyphosate and pesticides are organic?
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"Organic" means "carbon containing" and these compounds are carbon-based.
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Thankyou professor :-) Just remember this is slashdot, not eco-green health-nut forum, so you are preaching to to the choir.
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Oxford says it's "relating to or denoting compounds containing carbon (other than simple binary compounds and salts) and chiefly or ultimately of biological origin", which is reeeeaaaallll different from simply "carbon-containing".
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Depends upon where you look up the definition. There's also a subtle distinction between "organic" and "organic chemistry". A summary of the various scientific dictionaries I consulted when writing this answer would be "compounds containing carbon-carbon bonds". "Ultimately of biological origin" is quite ambiguous since many organic compounds of biological origin can also be synthesised directly. And the vast majority of organic compounds synthesised in labs for research are not of biological origin.
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Actually, that's an older meaning of the term, and was originally also used in chemistry. It used to be believe that no "organic" compound could be synthesized. Then chemists started synthesizing those compounds, so chemists altered the meaning from "derived from living organisms" to "having carbon bond chemistry". (Perhaps they've further altered to meaning, as was claimed about, to only consider certain varieties of carbon bonds organic, but that wasn't true when I was in school.)
The thing is, language
Re: That is a carbon wire, not a metal one! (Score:2)
You are confusing this with more popular uses of the word organic
The aspies - and even a few wannabe jocks - know perfectly well that the word "organic" has multiple definitions. However, people with slightly-higher-than-average levels of intelligence tend to be rather arrogant about what they [want to think] they know. If your lifestyle decisions (such as avoiding foods with synthetic contaminants) suggest you might know something they don't, they find it threatening and will argue against it with whatever stupid shit they can come up with.
Metal (Score:1)
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Mammals are warm-blooded. So a chicken is a mammal or at least mammal-like. Triangles have three sides, but a square is effectively a super triangle because it three sides plus an additional side. (end-of-hyperbole)
Categorization is important. And it can be useful to have a category ignore some properties in a very narrow context. But I do not consider a science publication for the general public to be a narrow, quiet the opposite. Headlines like this are part of the unsurprising tread of bad science journa
Re:Metal (Score:5, Funny)
"Mammals are warm-blooded. So a chicken is a mammal"
And a duck floats, so it is made of wood, and therefore, a witch
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Carbon is usually conductive. It's just usually not nearly as conductive as a metal. This form is.
One material, hey? (Score:2)
That seems a little misleading to me. We will still need to dope carbon to provide n-type and
More to it (Score:2)
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As another poster pointed out, there is much more to making an IC than improving one parameter. Consider GaAs. It should have whomped Si technology in RF applications with its higher mobility. Should have. But Si has other advantages so most RF is still done with Si. I have been amazed over the decades how they keep squeezing a bit more out of Si.
From my poor understanding, it seems like CMOS was the big win for Si. GaAs can't do it, because of poor hole mobility. It looks like non-Si semiconductors are going to be used for 5G amps, but the rest of the chain will still be all Si.
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I bet you used to get really worked up in those “hacker” versus “cracker” debates...
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You sound like something is bothering you. Chill out and play with some legos, you'll be happier.
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It's not Legos. Nobody says Legos apart from Americans.
This is to compensate for omitting the 's' in Maths. Every other country knows that 'mathematics' is a plural, hence abbreviated "maths". Maths are fun.
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Of course you are right about mathematics not being plural, despite it ending in an "s". It is no more plural than "mucus" or "news", and is always accompanied by singular verb use.
However, "Maths is..." or "Maths makes..." or "Maths does..." all seem to sound wrong, while using the full word "mathematics" or even the american abbreviation "math", all sound perfectly fine with the singular verb form.
And to that point, in every case I can think of offhand where it is the subject of a sentence, it seem
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However, "Maths is..." or "Maths makes..." or "Maths does..." all seem to sound wrong,
It sounds perfectly normal to my non-American ears. "Mathematics" is of course one of many -ics words: politics, economics, physics, and (note) tactics.
It is in plural form because of Latin (plural mathematica ) , but treated as a non-count word like water. (But we sometimes say "waters", e.g. uncharted waters, "waters of the".)
We say "politics is dirty", but "his politics are conservative". English grammar can be very silly.
Re:It's not Legos (Score:4, Funny)
I think both Americans and others say pretty much the same thing when they step on them in bare feet.
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everyone refers to multiple Lego Bricks as Legos.
Re:It's not Legos (Score:4, Informative)
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And I'm 99.999% sure that no one calls them lego bricks in Germany when one is playing with them.
You might say: "bring me the box of lego bricks" (unlikely already, I would never say that, I would say "bring me the legos") but as soon as you play everyone says: "give me more red legos" etc. (Ad I'm German in case you wonder).
"Lego Bricks" as in "Lego Steine" is simply completely awkward "speech" in ordinary talking. It would be like "I want 4 glasses of beer" instead "I like four beers".
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Nope. Go to a Lego nerd site and type that sentence. [eurobricks.com] You'll find out rather quickly that you're incorrect.
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Then talk to any child in Germany or parent: and you find, that you are incorrect.
My little brothers have Legos and I played as a child with Legos :P
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Saved me the effort, thanks.
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One word.
"maths"
Space Elevators? (Score:1)
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Space Elevators are a bad idea on planets as heavy as Earth. On Mars they might be a good idea. But Space Elevators are only one variety of Sky Hook. My favorite is the PinWheel. It's not as efficient as a space elevator would be, but it's a lot cheaper, and a lot less dangerous, and a lot easier to build. It's defect is that it needs to transfer momentum equally in both directions, or the orbit decays. If that EM drive, or some other similar thing, can be made to work decently, that could solve this
Serious question (Score:3)
People have been predicting silicon's demise ever since Khufu used granite to build the pyramid at Giza.
2011 worries: https://www.extremetech.com/co... [extremetech.com]
Bloody awful title (Score:3)
Graphine nanoribbons with metallic properties. Not metal wires made from carbon. +1 for the tech, -10 for the reporting.
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There are many non-metallic conductors that perform like metals. Indium Tin Oxide (ITO) is used to make transparent conductive tracks on LCDs.
Lego (Score:1)
There is no such thing as Legos.
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You might consider what you mean by "non-physical". I've always considered electrons to be physical (albeit with some weird properties).
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Graphene CPUs (Score:2)