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Beijing Tightens Grip Over Coronavirus Research, Amid US-China Row on Virus Origin (cnn.com) 162

Nectar Gan, Caitlin Hu and Ivan Watson, reporting for CNN: China has imposed restrictions on the publication of academic research on the origins of the novel coronavirus, according to a central government directive and online notices published by two Chinese universities, that have since been removed from the web. Under the new policy, all academic papers on Covid-19 will be subject to extra vetting before being submitted for publication. Studies on the origin of the virus will receive extra scrutiny and must be approved by central government officials, according to the now-deleted posts.

A medical expert in Hong Kong who collaborated with mainland researchers to publish a clinical analysis of Covid-19 cases in an international medical journal said his work did not undergo such vetting in February. The increased scrutiny appears to be the latest effort by the Chinese government to control the narrative on the origins of the coronavirus pandemic, which has claimed more than 100,000 lives and sickened 1.7 million people worldwide since it first broke out in the Chinese city of Wuhan in December. Since late January, Chinese researchers have published a series of Covid-19 studies in influential international medical journals.

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Beijing Tightens Grip Over Coronavirus Research, Amid US-China Row on Virus Origin

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  • by OffTheLip ( 636691 ) on Wednesday April 15, 2020 @08:02AM (#59949592)
    I guess this is the next best/worst thing.
    • by ShanghaiBill ( 739463 ) on Wednesday April 15, 2020 @08:23AM (#59949654)

      Finding the wild reservoir could be a major step toward stopping the pandemic. The wild virus from bats (or whatever) may lack the mutation that allows human-to-human transmission. We may find a strain with much milder symptoms, but which still triggers enough of an immune response to confer immunity. It could be used as a vaccine to stop C19 just as cowpox was used to stop smallpox.

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    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Wednesday April 15, 2020 @08:05AM (#59949598)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      You know that description also fits Trump, right?

      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        by guruevi ( 827432 )

        So Trump is reviewing every scientific paper coming out of the NIH on COVID? You are a moron to draw a moral equivalence in the first place.

    • It's not like the US would do any different, just look at how Trump is now pointing fingers at others for his own inadequate dealing with the virus.
  • by Entrope ( 68843 ) on Wednesday April 15, 2020 @08:07AM (#59949604) Homepage

    The more you tighten your grip, the more academic papers will slip through your fingers.

    • "Streisand Effect" was my first thought.

      What a great way to convince everyone that Chinese carelessness did let something out of the lab. Or even that it was some half done bioweapon.

      Communism plus a culture of face-saving is not a good combination.

  • by AbRASiON ( 589899 ) * on Wednesday April 15, 2020 @08:18AM (#59949644) Journal

    Stop trusting them, stop it.

    If it's not buying all the milk formula in Aussie Supermarkets, or laundering money and selling fentanyl in Canada, or buying all the property in any market they can, or sending sub-standard medical equipment to foreign countries or importing a huge bulk of medical supplies during a deliberately downplayed pandemic so others don't have their own backlog of equipment, it's lying about the causes of the virus, the treatment and the numbers.

    We've sent all our manufacturing there, I've seen anecdote upon anecdote about Chinese mainlanders and what they /really/ think of the rest of the world and even if they're 'loyal to China' dozens of years after leaving.

    These people are proud and loyal, to the homeland and they can and will screw the rest of us over.
    Time to stop and wake up, it may /already/ be too late.

    • Your rant sounds awfully close to the "America First" (replacing America with China) mentality which is lauded by many conservatives.

    • These people are proud and loyal, to the homeland and they can and will screw the rest of us over.

      Yeah, the USA would never engage in protectionism, would never use politics and threats to defend corporations operating internationally. /sarcasm.
      Sorry if I consider your words hollow. I feel like China has done far less damage to the world than you oil obsessed nation has.

      • I don't think you want to get into a body count with China, Mao's high score for a single year beat Hitler's lifetime numbers.

    • I'd like to point out at this juncture the military and diplomatic advantages of their 'management' of this virus to the point it crippled the West like it has.
    • Time to stop and wake up, it may /already/ be too late.

      Yeah, watch out for the Chinese Fifth Column. What proves that it exists is that it hasn't done anything, it's biding its time. We'd better round up all the Chinese and intern them in relocation camps.

      Why does this sound familiar?

  • They've repeatedly demonstrated their unwillingness to be a good citizen to the world, which includes allowing the planet to become infected with a deadly infectious diseases to save face with their people and consolidate power. It's time to do what we do with all caustic and dangerous regimes - isolate them from the rest of the world and teach them to either work with the planet or go it entirely alone.
  • I was essentially all but calling conspiracies that COVID-19 was an accidental lab release as tin foil hattery, and here the Chinese go and do this. Any lawyers among /.'ers who can give a valid opinion about the threshold of evidence required before this ends up in front of the World Court or some similar legal body?
    • Re:Huh (Score:4, Insightful)

      by jythie ( 914043 ) on Wednesday April 15, 2020 @08:43AM (#59949762)
      Sad thing is, it probably isn't about an accidental lab release being covered up, but instead internal lobbying from the agricultural sector that it came out of. Every few years there is an outrage and China tries to close the wet markets, but they are such a symbol of middle class prosperity that their supporters get them reopened and deregulated.

      Politically connected groups of people don't want their supply of 'rich guy stuff' blamed and thus potentially cut off. Kinda like how in America if you even THINK about blaming the cattle or corn industries for anything they throw a fit and astroturf the hell out of it.
    • Re: Huh (Score:2, Funny)

      by reanjr ( 588767 )

      WHO has people in China who confirm China's success in quarantine. You don't trust the WHO? Is this a new mistrust? You know, did you stop trusting them when Trump told you to stop trusting them?

      And did you just give a thumbs up or did you take Trump's cock out of your mouth long enough to give verbal confirmation?

      Seems like relevant background info before judging your statements...

      • Interesting you view me as a Trump supporter, when I see him as a terrible human being and a worse President. But it would seem to me, if they were honest actors, the Chinese would be interested in contributing in any and every way to the research into the origin of a virus, which unquestionably started in China, that has screwed the economy for the entire planet. Perhaps embarrassment would push doing the right thing into the back seat just a smidge, but at some point there has to be a limit, right? Eve
      • Well my first posts about it were February 27th. Do I get to say whatever I want or are you going to "judge" me for having "Trump's cock in my mouth?"

        https://slashdot.org/comments.... [slashdot.org]
        https://slashdot.org/comments.... [slashdot.org]

        Hm, maybe Trump reads my Slashdot posts. What power!

    • Re:Huh (Score:5, Interesting)

      by JoeyDot ( 5981942 ) on Wednesday April 15, 2020 @10:02AM (#59950218)
      There's no conspiracy if it's a lab accident. By definition a conspiracy is not an accident.

      I've done extensive study of the lab work being done in and around Wuhan surrounding the possibility of a lab release. The possibility is much higher than people realise. Wuhan does extensive work collecting novel coronavirus strains from bats and intermediate species. Their work involves hosting live animals to the extent they had a job posted online for someone with experience breeding animals. If you want to consider human activity as a causal factor the research the lab performs looks very similar to wildlife trade. They also receive samples and animals that they work on confiscated from the illegal wildlife trade.

      A pathway that leads through that research is absolutely possible and it's not extremely improbable either.

      An accident, being not a conspiracy, means that no one may know even if it did spread from a lab or someone involved in the research.

      From China's perspective that's a bad situation to be in. It's like being a murder suspect but having lost your memory so you don't know. A worse situation to be in would be if it were linked to the lab. IT would be especially bad for the lab given the point of the research is to stop something like this which paradoxically also means making yourself a part of the risk.

      If you study the facts then the conclusion is it's a very real possibility science had some involvement. That's a risk China will have acknowledged and managed. If that possibility turns out to be the case then the culpability skyrockets with limitless potential for political fallout and demands for recompense. The origin of the virus or more specifically the step it took to spread into the human population is an utmost matter of national security for China.

      I don't agree with them putting themselves in a position to censure research on the origins but it makes perfect sense. If you assume the intentions are innocent, even a paper raising the possibility or that's genuinely in error might cause some fallout.
      • I'm not sure your point. Yes, and accident is an accident - covering it up afterward, and not participating in finding the source is a cover up, that's the conspiracy. And you saying it "makes perfect sense" in the sense of a guy burying someone he killed because he doesn't want to get blamed for it, sure - it makes perfect sense! But here's the thing - people are going to dig, and the truth will come out, and if China released it accidentally, then they're on the hook for all that culpability you mentio
        • If that's a conspiracy, it's a credible one. Covering up possible screw ups isn't as much a plot as it is established human instinct. Putting themselves in a position to filter the evidence doesn't look good for them. At the same time I'd imagine if there is going to be some evidence tying it to the lab they're going to want to be the first to find out.

          People are going to try to find out but it's also China's turf and they're in a good position to block investigation. Sometimes in cases like this I've se
      • I mean there's where the lab/wet market overlap starts to become a consistent enough theory that it really is hard to just hand wave away as tin foil hat stuff.

        It's not like business corruption, including the melamine contamination of the food supply, hasn't been a long-standing problem in China. Xi has been trying to crack down on corruption, but mostly it seems focused on eliminating potential wealth power bases outside of CCP control, not actually eliminating corruption as a practice.

        With this in mind,

      • by jwymanm ( 627857 )
        This should not even be debated. There is no fucking chance this was just a wet market issue. Sure a wet market could've spread it quicker but the damn lab studying this virus was a few miles away. The fact it just shows up in industrial Wuhan first and Wuhan is the epicenter with the first China shutdown.. first shutdown in the world mind you can not in any likely hood just be from a fucking wet market. Their own scientists assumed it came from their own lab and "after studying samples we were testing they
  • for some strong diplomatic measures of the sort that would bring China to their senses. The carrot more than the stick. I'm afraid I question this Administrations capacity to do that though. Even if they had the core competency they don't have the people. The State Dept has been hollowed out.
  • We can also see lots of politicians and their assorted hangers-on calling for the same thing in various liberal democracies like USA and Canada. Lots of people think we need some sort of Ministry of Truth style agency to combat the spread of false information online. The article either leaves out or didn't bother to look into how much false and misleading information is circulating in China regarding the pandemic. I should say, false and misleading information that doesn't serve the government's purposes, b
  • China has imposed restrictions on the publication of academic research on the origins of the novel coronavirus

    ...and nothing of value was lost. The world needed accurate information out of China 4 months ago, so they could determine how to prepare and how much they needed to lock down travel. It's pointless to get information from China now. Highly accurate case information is now available directly in countries doing research on the virus. I can't think of anything China can provide, as far as "academic research" goes, that would be beneficial now.

  • by nitehawk214 ( 222219 ) on Wednesday April 15, 2020 @09:18AM (#59949962)

    Putting political grandstanding ahead of saving lives.

    • It's too bad the US police is on their way to toss you in a prison to let you think long and hard about the bad things you just posted. Oh wait. That's China.

      • And that has what to do with people dying in American hospitals while Trump attempts to deflect all blame to the other side of the world?

        No one gives a shit how big your strawman is.

  • When the current crisis is behind us, the world can accurately assess the medical, social, and financial impacts of the virus. I'm sure that every country with economic ties to China and the CCP will reconsider their relationship and consider alternative low cost labor countries for their supply chains. There will be a reckoning, and hopefully China and the CCP will become an international pariah for a very long time.
  • Will the progressives now admit that denying science is more a political trait than a religious one?

    • Will the progressives now admit that denying science is more a political trait than a religious one?

      No, because whether you take it as a story or reality, Truth was crucified. Politicians and religious leaders both wanted it that way. Even the working man was in on the fun, taking bets and poking Truth with a stick.

  • Why would they do this? Because the truth wants to be told and the Chinese government doesn't want that to happen. Just sayin'.
  • China will deserve everything that will happen to em on the next years.

  • Any association of China with the Covid-19 virus will likely see the same level censorship as we see today with Tiananmen Square.

    In a few years, China will completely deny the virus ever existed and it's all US propaganda designed to make them " look bad ".

    China probably won't be able to hide some of the impact from this event, though it will be amusing to see them try.
    I can see a big shift in reliance on Chinese manufacturing coming which is going to cost them dearly.

    Sad it took a pandemic for the CEO's t

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