Trump Issues Order Under Defense Production Act To Secure More Ventilators (wsj.com) 180
President Trump moved to use the Defense Production Act, a Korean War-era national security mobilization law, to secure supplies companies need to make ventilators. From a report: "My order to the Secretary of Health and Human Services and the Secretary of Homeland Security will help domestic manufacturers like General Electric, Hill-Rom, Medtronic, ResMed, Royal Philips, and Vyaire Medical secure the supplies they need to build ventilators needed to defeat the virus," Mr. Trump said in statement that accompanied his order. He praised the companies and other domestic manufacturers for ramping up production of the machines and said the order "will save lives by removing obstacles in the supply chain that threaten the rapid production of ventilators."
And his opponents said... (Score:3, Funny)
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Could you point to where the Democrats (I assume that is who you mean by opponents) said to seize the means of production. They have been pressuring the President to implement the Defence Protection Act but that is what Trump just did so if they were asking to seize the means of production Trump just did.
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Yes, but the Democrats wanted him to do it weeks ago. Not wait for Trump to give his donor friends time to plan so they'd be the ones chosen to do it. (And then, of course, overcharge the government for the service.)
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Damned if you do.... (Score:5, Insightful)
Actually sounds like something Putin would do though.
The last 3+ years: "Trump acts like a dictator!"
Now: "Why isn't Trump acting like a dictator???"
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While I still think Trump is an idiot, I do support the limited encroachment by government in dire situations like the current pandemic. My only criticism is that he dismissed this pandemic for a while before it ramped up.
Re: Damned if you do.... (Score:2)
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Who didn't?
In comparison to Trump?
Everyone except televangelists.
But if you like your leaders at the tail end of every concievable bell curve, you'll probably be able to vote for him again in a few months!
Re: Damned if you do.... (Score:4, Insightful)
The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. We are in contact with everyone and all relevant countries. CDC & World Health have been working hard and very smart. Stock Market starting to look very good to me!
and this
I think that's a problem that's going to go away
and this
[W]e're very close to a vaccine
https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/25/politics/donald-trump-coronavirus/index.html
and this on 2/28/2020
As most of you know, the level that we’ve had in our country is very low, and those people are getting better, or we think almost all cases, they’re better or are getting — we have a total of 15.
suggest less concern, attention, and understanding than this: Pelosi in Chinatown on 2/24/2020:
We want to be vigilant about what might be on the horizon — what is out there in other places. We want to be careful how we deal with it (coroavirus). But we do want to say to people, come to Chinatown. Here we are, again, careful, safe, and come join us.”
https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2020/02/24/coronavirus-speaker-house-nancy-pelosi-tours-san-franciscos-chinatown/
and this
Pelosi also raised concerns about the Trump administration's leadership in its response to the virus. She said she spoke Thursday morning with Vice President Mike Pence, whom Trump put in charge of coordinating the crisis, and "made some of these concerns known to him."
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/27/pelosi-calls-market-plunge-disturbing-pushes-for-coronavirus-funding.html
But if you disagree, hey, he's still in charge. Congrats!
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Nancy Pelosi said "we do want to say to people ‘Come to Chinatown, here we are — we're, again, careful, safe — and come join us." [washingtonexaminer.com] - Feb 24, the same day President Trump was trying to get billions from Congress for combating the pandemic.
Democrats - do as we say, not as we do - unless it's the wrong thing, then do both, and we'll blame you for any negative repercussions that arise".
Re:Damned if you do.... (Score:4, Interesting)
The Defense Department has reportedly used it over 300,000 times each year, including to obtain "rare Earth metals" to build lasers last summer.
I don't think Dems complained at all for any of these invocations.
So really its "Damned if you don't-because it will illustrate how bad you fucked up. Damned if you do--if you wait until body count is expected to hit 100,000."
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Those referenced Defense Production Act based actions are almost certainly just jumping line, claiming priority on existing resources, not forcing companies to change what they make or build. And why not force them?
Wartime Production Law Has Been Used Routinely, but Not With Coronavirus [nytimes.com]
Many corporate executives have also lobbied the Trump administration against using the act, saying they fear that more government intervention and bureaucracy at a time of intense supply chain disruptions could do more harm than good.
“The Defense Production Act isn’t a magic wand,” said Neil Bradley, the executive vice president and chief policy officer at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.
“It can’t produce highly specialized manufacturing equipment overnight,” he added. “It can’t convert a refrigerator factory into a ventilator factory.”
And what is going on here with the ventilator production isn't what you seem to think - it isn't Trump screwing up but rather Trump bailing out governors and states that ROYALLY AND DELIBERATELY screwed up. That includes G
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The Governator, Arnold Schwarzenegger (R), created them, and then Governor Jerry Brown (D) dismantled them. Might have been handy right about now, but it seems President Trump must be doing something right there:
You are trying to give Trump credit for something that some other republican did way back, before the republican party turned to the dark side. Trump was not even a republican back then.
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The last 3+ years: "Trump acts like a dictator!"
Now: "Why isn't Trump acting like a dictator???"
I'm sorry but are you simple? Have you not noticed something materially different between 3 years ago and right the fuck now? Almost every democracy worldwide has provisions for temporarily granting much greater powers to whoever is in charge in times of emergency. It's neither unreasonable, unexpected nor undesirable for the government to use extraordinary powers times of emergency to marshal resources and stop
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The last 3+ years: "Trump acts like a dictator!" Now: "Why isn't Trump acting like a dictator???"
The last 3+ years: "Why isn't Trump acting in the best interests of the American people."
Now: "Why isn't Trump acting in the best interests of the American people!!!!!"
Fixed that for ya!
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In other words, this is not an example of Trump acting like a dictator. This is an example of Trump doing something in the best interests
international blowback (Score:3, Insightful)
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I know it is called the Defence Production Act and it was implemented during the Korean war but I think you should read up on what the act actually does. There won't be troops headed to Europe and Asia to forcefully confiscate supplies.
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The EU just got medical supplies donated by China. Did the US get any?
Apparently, YES, China donated some PPE to New York a few days ago.
An aircraft carrying personal protective equipment (PPE) donated by China, along with U.S.-purchased medical supplies, arrived in New York on Sunday. [cgtn.com]
Along with the goods, Chinese company Huawei donated 10,000 masks, 20,000 articles of protective clothing, 10,000 gloves and 50,000 goggles to New York state.
Governor Andrew Cuomo confirmed the donation and thanked Huawei on Twitter.
The flight from Shanghai was the first of about 20 flights to arrive between now and early April, according to the White House. Additional flights will carry similar gear from China, Malaysia and Vietnam.
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Wow. After everything the US did to Huawei.
We have had some Chinese doctors arrive in the UK recently, and in many other European countries, to help us with their experience. Thanks guys.
No more off script (Score:3, Interesting)
I knew it was serious when Trump stopped going off script and just read what he was supposed to say.
Sadly he seemed like a 7 year old when he would read in the most mono-tonal voice possible.
I'm just curious who had the power to make him change his ways.
Re:No more off script (Score:5, Interesting)
"I'm just curious who had the power to make him change his ways.", the SARS-COV-2 virus (apparently, COVID-19 refers to the symptoms).
The virus is Trump's worst nightmare. It isn't susceptible to bullshit, it doesn't care if you are white or black or an immigrant (like the ones harvesting food in the U.S. being now deemed essential workers...but he'll turn around and screw them when it lightens up).
And the problem requires management skills above the level of the Ma and Pop operations he ran into the ground. It also requires a president have an attention span longer than a gnat's and the ability to grok scientific principles and reports.
In short, he's screwed.
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No. We're screwed.
He's hasn't given all items requested from the stockpile from states he deemed "ungrateful" and "not nice" to him like New York and Michigan but gave everything asked to states who praise him like Florida. Then like he always does says without evidence nurses and doctors are hoarding ventilators and feels they don't need the items they claim they need.
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What an idiotic statement.
He doesnt decide who gets what. Task force does. The person in charge of supply is a Rear Admiral.
They need to consider the needs, the daily usage, what the state already has in stock and what the progression of the virus and daily usage numbers are.
If he listened to NY and gave them everything they demanded, there would be nothing left for the rest of the country.
They need to keep equipement in the stockpile until its actually necessary to distribute, in the right quantities. Not
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apparently, COVID-19 refers to the symptoms
Technically it refers to the disease. But we don't talk in technicalities. We talk in common language and typically always about the disease rather than the underlying virus.
We call it COVID-19 just like we call the seasonal flu influenza rather than saying "Sorry boss I have H3N2" and the common cold, that's the common cold rather than in some cases a variant of coronavirus (something a lot of people don't realise), and we refer to someone as having AIDS when they start showing symptoms of a HIV infection.
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Sadly he seemed like a 7 year old when he would read in the most mono-tonal voice possible.
The best description I have heard of Trump reading a prepared speech is that he sounds like a school kid giving a book report for a book he hasn't read.
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The description of Trump reading a prepared speech that most appeals to my personal prejudices is that he sounds like a school kid giving a book report for a book he hasn't read.
FTFY
Of course many people have a different view.
Trump's entire 2020 State of the Union address [youtube.com]
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I knew it was serious when Trump stopped going off script and just read what he was supposed to say.
Sadly he seemed like a 7 year old when he would read in the most mono-tonal voice possible.
I'm just curious who had the power to make him change his ways.
One of his friends got sick. I mean that's what he said, but he's taking things seriously now and calling republican governors to convince them to also, so it seems legit.
Well... (Score:4, Insightful)
He's only a month late and likely 100,000 lives short...
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That should be the campaign slogan against universal healthcare.
I want mine from Ford (Score:2)
With Trucknuts.
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Unpopular opinion and I fully intend to get downvoted for this: the Defense Production Act is not appropriate given the level of wage suppression in the US and wealth inequality.
I mean, on the one hand, it could be used to poor ends.
But, on the other hand, apparently it's already being used routinely:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/0... [nytimes.com]
So far, it hasn't been used to these poor ends. But maybe there's a difference between it being used by the military in a mostly apolitical way (things like military spending ARE political, but that's at very high-level direction, whereas the routine uses haven't been at that level at all).
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A month too late and got priorities wrong (Score:2)
I have said it before and I will say it again, by the time these ventilators were made it will be too already late. The COVID epidemic would be largely over by the end of May, just like Trump said, but may not be in the way he had in mind.
This virus spread to 10 times as many people in about 8-10 days, and the only countries that successfully contained it did one or both of two things: (1) lockdown, and/or (2) extensive testing and contact tracing. Testing and tracing was not an option for the US since the
Before we get to the ventilator stage.... (Score:2)
If you're on a ventilator, you're already in very dangerous territory.
Before we get to that stage, I think there are other methods, in addition to just social isolation, that we can reduce the risk of getting the virus. In particular, hot water salt-gargles can reduce viral load, at least your throat and tonsils, as well as remove infected cells in the throat. It can also help prevent pneumonia from secondary bacterial infections.
Perhaps a device like this can also help: UVC Light Oral Device for Covid-19 [halfbakery.com].
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Yup, nothing has been done in America, ever, without "going to war tactics".
Also - what glorious country are you from that has solved all problems with talking things amongst each other so we can discuss all of your shortcomings?
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I'll give you, New Zealand is the perfect country. Although, the Maori probably would've appreciated some more democratic consensus earlier.
Taiwan has definitely solved it's problems through democratic consensus - definitely no problems with maybe not being a country.
S. Korea - definitely never solved a problem with an ongoing war with the north.
Germany defintely never went to war tactics.
Not even sure your point on sweden and Nederlands.
But I like how you took a point about reaching conclusions generally,
Re:Hilarious to read... (Score:5, Interesting)
Different cultural differences....at their base.
Many of the Asian cultures in general, are always thinking more of the good of the whole over the good of the individual.
The US is pretty much at its heart, the polar opposite....
The US also is based on a healthy distrust of the government in general...or at least always suspicious of it....that the govt is to be there as minimally as possible...again in general.
So, things are approached here differently, not to mention we have a LOT more civil rights set in stone if not outright assumed as born with...so, these are hard to overcome.
For instance, really...the Federal Gov. cannot order states really to do anything.
For instance....the Feds years back did NOT order the states to raise the drinking age nationally to 21....instead, they threatened to withhold federal monies going to the states, and eventually most buckled under and raised the age nationally.
Louisiana back then, was rich with old money and basically figured they'd lose more local alcohol tax revenue than they would Federal Hwy funds. Eventually the oil situation changed in the mid 80's and LA needed money and reluctantly raised it.
That being said, it is still technically full of holes, such as if a minor is accompanied by parent or responsible adult, they can still drink if the adult give permission, etc.
But anyway, unless it involves interstate commerce, the Fed Govt cannot order or compel by command a state to do really much of anything.
This is very different to countries like South Korea where there is one government rule with authority, and the citizens have fewer guaranteed civil rights....they get their rights from the government, whereas in the US the govt. gets its power from the citizens, or at least that's how it was set up.
So, anyway, the differences ingrained in the countries you compared are deeply, deeply different culturally and by law/constitutions.
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For instance....the Feds years back did NOT order the states to raise the drinking age nationally to 21....instead, they threatened to withhold federal monies going to the states
Sounds to me as though they not only ordered states to raise the drinking age nationally to 21, but they had a fat stick to back up their threat. But that's before my time, so maybe there's something I'm missing.
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I'm not sure about present laws in New Orleans, but I think they were something like this a few years ago:
1. Underage possession of alcohol was illegal... but it was a secondary offense. In other words, you couldn't be arrested MERELY for being underage and in possession of alcohol... but if you were arrested for something ELSE, they could add it to the list of charges.
2. Public intoxication WAS illegal, and the police had broad discretion for enforcing it. Their usual response was to confiscate your drink
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So, anyway, the differences ingrained in the countries you compared are deeply, deeply different culturally and by law/constitutions.
Agree with almost everything in your post. I think we'll look back at this and the fundamental conclusion will be that America has become broken. Donald trump is definitely a broken, probably mentally ill person and a symptom of America, but he's exactly that - a representation of the problem rather than a problem himself. If you want me to guess what the problem is it's the refusal to accept responsibility. Whenever a "liberal" is blamed for Trump, they start talking about how he lied instead of whethe
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The US also is based on a healthy distrust of the government in general...or at least always suspicious of it....that the govt is to be there as minimally as possible...again in general.
I would say the distrust often goes way beyond unhealthy and into the utterly absurd. You have people posting unironically here that the government is always bad. Of course they're posting from the stable, and safe USA, not the somewhere with no government like the congo.
For instance, really...the Federal Gov. cannot order
Re:Hilarious to read... (Score:5, Insightful)
Hilarious to read ... That your country cannot simply talk things amongst each other or reach any conclusions, without always going to war tactics.
Yup, nothing has been done in America, ever, without "going to war tactics".
Also - what glorious country are you from that has solved all problems with talking things amongst each other so we can discuss all of your shortcomings?
You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they've tried everything else.
-- Winston Churchill
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That's not even a reply.
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That's not even a reply.
But it is true.
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"Also - what glorious country are you from that has solved all problems with talking things amongst each other so we can discuss all of your shortcomings?"
He's from the Vatican, they don't pollute, they only produce stamps. And no women are allowed to vote for the State leader, just as most of the men. And their army still uses halberds.
OK, if you want to put it that way... (Score:5, Insightful)
That your country cannot simply talk things amongst each other or reach any conclusions, without always going to war tactics.
My country has :
Gone to the Moon
Sent probes to every planet
Cured many diseases
Created the most advanced technology on Earth
Whatever your gripes about our methods and personality, what has your country done in comparison?
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And that is why the U.S. has the lowest per-capita death rate from Covid19 of any European country except for Germany.
Since when has the U.S. been a European country? And if we (the U.S.) had actions instead of words, we wouldn't have spent months with our heads in the sand or weeks proclaiming this a Democratic hoax. Maybe you should step out of this conversation and let the adults handle it.
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The adults that deliberately misrepresent the meaning of an obvious sentence because of a slight grammar technicality to weirdly demean the speaker ? Two sentences in a row?
That is unfortunately a lot of "adults" these days. Keep adulting nightflame.
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Sorry, I forgot to look up the entire history of other posters before I posted. That is definitely on me and my stupid side of the issue.
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Ok - I did look at who posted it - I agree at dubious posting history, and the post itself is almost nonsense - but your "ends justify the means" nitpicking response doesn't really hold up.
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You can rip into stupidity - just don't do it stupidly. Like bending an obvious statement to make fun of a strawman.
That's ... stupid.
Just rip into the stupidity.
I'll get you started from OP :
sentence 1 - gibberish. Everyone has actions, and talk. Including individuals.
sentence 2 - making a conclusion from gibberish is also gibberish. Feel free to mention "behind the curve" or anything else.
sentence 3 - I can't hate anything that is even possibly a reference to gangsta's paradise.
Anyway, you get it, but
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Since when has the U.S. been a European country?
Since 75% of the population is of European descent [wikipedia.org]
I think that's what he meant. While the remaining 25% are not of European descent, they're mostly assimilated into a culture that's derived from and heavily influenced by that of Europe.
Re:The U.S. prefers action to empty words (Score:4, Informative)
How about we compare with a country closer to the USA?
For example Canada on these graphs [ourworldindata.org]:
- Daily new confirmed cases per million: Canada 28, USA 82.
- Total confirmed cases per million: Canada 226, USA 573.
- Case fatality rate: Canada 1.14% (and mostly level), USA 2.37 (and rising).
- Total confirmed deaths doubling in: Canada 5 days, USA, 3 days.
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Irrelevant ...
All of the figures I quoted are relative.
Either they are relative to the population, or a ratio to previous figures from the same country.
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Did you know that 90% of Canadians live within 100 miles of the US border?
And the cases are concentrated in population centers, with many of them as dense as US cities (Toronto, Montreal, ...etc.)
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Did you know that 90% of Canadians live within 100 miles of the US border?
The US-Canada border is 5,525 miles, so that means 90% of Canadians live in 500,525 square miles.
On the other hand, New York City has just under half the population of Canada in 300 square miles.
And the cases are concentrated in population centers, with many of them as dense as US cities (Toronto, Montreal, ...etc.)
There are no Canadian cities that come anywhere near US population densities. Manhattan has a pop. density of 72,033 people/sq. mile, even San Fran has 18,838/sq mi. Toronto has 11,226/sq mi and Montreal has 10,070/sq mi.
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From Wiki,
So there are only 2 American cities more dense then Vancouver, the 3rd largest city in Canada. Not sure where you got your figures.
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That is why the numbers given are per million, it makes it a fair comparison.
Also, it is closer to 1/9th, or 1/8.67th if you want to be more precise, but still not relevant when the comparison is already per capita.
The US has higher numbers because Canada was taking strong action while Trump was still denying there was a problem and promising miracles.
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It crossed my mind, but most Canadians live in large cities just like most United Statesians, and it is true that the population density in large Canadian cities is less (like 5200 per km^2 in Vancouver to 7500ish in LA), it doesn't seem to account for differences in COVID data.
Also, interestingly, almost half of Canada's cases come from the US when people on holiday's there returned home, and most of the rest of the cases are from the returning Canadians infecting close contacts (their families in their ho
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>And that is why the U.S. has the lowest per-capita death rate from Covid19 of any European country except for Germany.
Citation? According to this site [worldometers.info] a number of European countries have a lower per capita mortality rate than the USA.
Obviously I have no way to determine how accurate and up to date those reports are, though that is the same for all countries.
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That your country cannot simply talk things amongst each other or reach any conclusions
That's because instead of talk, we have actions. Including by individuals.
And that is why the U.S. has the lowest per-capita death rate from Covid19 of any European country except for Germany.
I wouldn't be casting much shade if I were you, standing the shadow of the valley of death as we all are.
Aside from the issue that the U.S. is not a European country, the US is also a bit behind on the curve and the high death toll started later than e.g. in Italy. Even so, the death rate per capita is higher in the US than e.g. Norway and Finland, and even its neighbour Canada.
Xenophobic overreaction (Score:3, Informative)
I don't know, but In late January Biden was saying that the actions the US was raking to prepare, such as barring flights from the Wuhan area to the US, were "xenophobic overreaction". Apparently Biden thinks / thought that either a) the virus only affects Chinese people or b) we should invite the infected people over here and all get infected, because it's not fair for Chinese people to die and not hage an equal number of Americans die.
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Biden was right. What if a Chinese transgender got offended when their flight got cancelled? Better to be safe than sorry.
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Speculative history is fun. If Hillary were in office, maybe we would have been encouraged to go to Chinatown for dim sum an extra month. Maybe we would have had lots of our soldiers coming back from the Crimea with the infection. Maybe she would have made a lot of money insider trading on this. Maybe none of that would have happened. Maybe she would have made all the right choices, and we wouldn't have a problem. Given the performance of other leaders in similar situations that seems unlikely; so let
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I don't know whether you're a fucking liar or a fucking moron, but Clinton was a fairly strong advocate of the TPP, whose entire purpose was to economically encircle China.
Reminder: Trump blocked travel from China in Jan (Score:2, Informative)
I think it is finally getting through
Trump blocked travel from China back in January [npr.org].
That story by the way was originally labeled as a "drastic action" by NPR (see Google cache).
What Democrat (or heck even other Republican) was calling for measures like that so early? Pelosi was calling for people to come out and join her in crowded Chinatown [nbcbayarea.com] (in SF) near the end of FEBRUARY!!
Trump has been way more serious about this, than you have ever been.
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Yes, the skeptic in me says he simply found a good excuse to cause further harm to China's economy. (You should try to be a skeptic, too! You'll learn things.) In fact, the vast majority of money of the actions and money spent and words he spoke had the effect of weakening foreign economies such as Iran's (opportunism), or strengthening our own economy (fiscal damage control).
Oh, and the reason he didn't invoke the Defense Production Act earlier? Because he d [vox.com]
Just shut down all non-essential business. (Score:3, Insightful)
then did nothing for 2 months except
If by "nothing" you mean "talked every large company and U.S. event into shutting down...
You didn't think all those shutdowns happened magically all at once, did you? Oh dear.
Or maybe you meant the "nothing" where he also shut down travel from Italy which as we now know, long after his order was issued, is one of the worst places hit by the virus.
Sure, let's go with "nothing".
Re:Just shut down all non-essential business. (Score:5, Insightful)
I must have missed the Federal shutdown order.
I've seen plenty of State shotdown orders, mind you. But none were issued by a Governor Trump, and until recently they were principally issued by Democratic governors.
Oh wait, maybe Trump "talked" DeSantis into finally putting out an order for Florida. Yesterday. The morons.
Re:Just shut down all non-essential business. (Score:4, Informative)
Well, he tried with New York. And was blocked by Cuomo and others.
https://www.politico.com/news/... [politico.com]
https://www.nbcnews.com/politi... [nbcnews.com]
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/28... [cnn.com]
So, it turns out he doesn't have the power to. Unless he seriously invoked some war time powers - "Cuomo on possible New York quarantine: 'I don't think it's legal' and it would be a 'federal declaration of war'.
Many places are not nearly as far along - does Wyoming really need to have a strict lockdown at this point ? We could legitimately handle Wyoming with contact tracing as it stands now.
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Wait, your counterargument is that less than a week ago Trump floated the idea of quarantining a three state area from the rest of the United States? Then supplemented their existing stay-at-home orders with a CDC recommendation that residents of those three states not travel to other states?
That's not relevant to what Trump is doing. What has he done that isn't three steps behind what state govern
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My point is that in the USA, evidenced by that, Ebola repatriation examples, etc - this "federal quarantine" people are bitching about not happening, does not seem to be a realistically viable option.
Is there more that could've been done sooner? Sure. But federal lockdown doesn't appear to be one of them.
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Yeah, that's what a real quarantine is.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world... [bbc.com]
"Mr Trump did not provide further details about what quarantining New York or other badly hit US states would look like."
Well, fair, I only read so many articles, and assumed a quarantine, was, well, a quarantine. If he meant only a tri-state borderwall (citation?), then that is pretty dumb.
Hear is NPR to argue against national quarantines, because apparently none of you believe me:
https://www.npr.org/2020/04/02... [npr.org]
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Yup, I wrote hear. Time for a nap. Or time to stop multi-tasking /. and work.
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Yeah, that's what a real quarantine is.
That horse has already left the barn. Probably back in January.
Re:Just shut down all non-essential business. (Score:5, Informative)
If by "nothing" you mean "talked every large company and U.S. event into shutting down...
Citation needed. Considering the many lies you've posted to this site, you'll proof of what you are saying. If anything as of yesterday Trump is resisting a national shutdown [usnews.com]. As of last week, Trump wanted everyone back to work by Easter. [foxnews.com] Why must you post things that are easily verifiable to be lies?
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Moderation +1
40% Insightful
30% Informative
30% Overrated
Because he can do it and still get modded up?
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He cant order a national shutdown, he had the CDC make the recommendations as of mid march (around March 15) for social distancing and shutting down in harder hit areas.
Take it up with your local governor if he doesn't want to implement the guidelines.
Last week, Trump was saying he would "like" to open things up for Easter, because the economy is taking a dump, and peoples lives are being ruined. Because its a balancing act. You cant keep things shutdown 1 day more than is necessary. Jobs need to be there w
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You are blaming Trump because some governors decides not to follow guidelines issued by CDC earlier.
You said: ". They've been working on tests kits, coordinating with states, gathering data, etc..." That is not factually true. There has been no coordination.
You are just Monday morning quarterbacking and looking for reasons to blame Trump for everything.
Trump didn't have to lie about everything regarding the coronavirus. He chose to do so.
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He blocked China travel and then did nothing for 2 months except pat himself on the back and say how awesome a job he has done. It was and is a catastrophic failure
This is damned dishonest. All the data we had at the time said this was a glorified cold, not even approaching the lethality of SARS, let alone something like MERS with a 30 percent fatality rate. When advised to begin shutting down businesses... which means crippling the economy... he did so. And he was beginning to do this while his political opponents were still encouraging us to "not be racist, go eat at Chinese restaurants".
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When advised to begin shutting down businesses... which means crippling the economy... he did so
When was the national shutdown order? I must have missed it. Multiple states issued them long before Trump acknowledge this might be a problem. Businesses did so long before Trump admitted the seriousness. So did Trump do? Please provide examples.
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I don't think the President has the authority to order a national shutdown, nor do I want the President have such authority. It should come from the Governors. Remember, Trump is supposed to be a racists dictator in waiting. Why encourage him to seize power then?
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I don't think the President has the authority to order a national shutdown, nor do I want the President have such authority.
Which is my exact point. The poster stated "When advised to begin shutting down businesses... which means crippling the economy... he did so". Trump did no such thing. That is basically a lie.
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He can't basically cant., Congress COULD give him the authority to under interstate commerce, well in theory anyway. Most of what Trump has is the rains of federal money that is divi up to the various federal programs that the states, in turn, divie up between their various programs. Trump can really hurt a state that doesn't play ball with him, aka, outbid them on incubators federally. People forget the real power of the president is not his direct power, but the people he puts in all those agencies t
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This is damned dishonest. All the data we had at the time said this was a glorified cold, not even approaching the lethality of SARS, let alone something like MERS with a 30 percent fatality rate. When advised to begin shutting down businesses... which means crippling the economy... he did so. And he was beginning to do this while his political opponents were still encouraging us to "not be racist, go eat at Chinese restaurants".
This was never a glorified cold except among people in major denial. Colds rarely kill people. This kills lots. That was clear from China way back in December.
And I still order Chinese takeout like I always did, in fact more, hoping my local place can keep going through this. That really has nothing to do with this pandemic at all.
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All the way in december? Really?
When in mid January the WHO was still saying it couldnt be transmitted human to human.
When China only revealed they had an epidemic problem on December 31st...
Stop repeating headlines and inform yourself.
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