Twitter Broadly Bans Any COVID-19 Tweets That Could Help the Virus Spread (techcrunch.com) 169
An anonymous reader quotes a report from TechCrunch: On Wednesday, Twitter updated its safety policy to prohibit tweets that "could place people at a higher risk of transmitting COVID-19." The new policy bans tweets denying expert guidance on the virus, encouraging "fake or ineffective treatments, preventions and diagnostic techniques" as well as tweets that mislead users by pretending to be from health authorities or experts. In its blog post, Twitter says that it will "require people to remove Tweets" in these cases and we've asked the company for more clarification on what that looks like.
Twitter indicated that it will take context like account history into account in making its enforcement determinations, which it says remain unchanged. As far as having users remove offending tweets, according to the company's existing guidance "When we determine that a Tweet violated the Twitter Rules, we require the violator to remove it before they can Tweet again." A user is notified of this via email and given a chance to delete the tweet or make an appeal. While that is happening, the tweet is hidden from view. Under the ruleset, a tweet that claims "social distancing is not effective" would be subject to removal. Twitter will also require users to delete tweets telling followers to do ineffective or dangerous things like drinking bleach, even if the tweet is "made in jest" because that content can prove harmful when taken out of context. Twitter is banning tweets encouraging people to behave in a way counter to what health authorities recommend. The rules will also prohibit users from playing armchair doctor, as well as making coronavirus claims that single out groups of people based on race or nationality.
Twitter indicated that it will take context like account history into account in making its enforcement determinations, which it says remain unchanged. As far as having users remove offending tweets, according to the company's existing guidance "When we determine that a Tweet violated the Twitter Rules, we require the violator to remove it before they can Tweet again." A user is notified of this via email and given a chance to delete the tweet or make an appeal. While that is happening, the tweet is hidden from view. Under the ruleset, a tweet that claims "social distancing is not effective" would be subject to removal. Twitter will also require users to delete tweets telling followers to do ineffective or dangerous things like drinking bleach, even if the tweet is "made in jest" because that content can prove harmful when taken out of context. Twitter is banning tweets encouraging people to behave in a way counter to what health authorities recommend. The rules will also prohibit users from playing armchair doctor, as well as making coronavirus claims that single out groups of people based on race or nationality.
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Can we still call it Trump Flu?
For when we know we have something, but we can't get tested for it.
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Technically it's the Trump epidemic viral death camps.
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You forgot to include homophobic, racist, and sexist in your name for the Trump Flu...
It's got the word "Trump" in it, so that's all implied. :-)
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What is interesting the greater the testing the more positive results, which would indicate many have or have already had the virus and did not bother to test. I had an unusual flu, really mild that started with a trip to the supermarket, it was unusual in that it caused mild pains around the spine and ribs when coughing (not much coughing, really mild), lasted a week and was over, a distinct different flu and a really mild one. This will be the case for the majority apparently, only a minority get it much
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Here's the problem with arguing by analogy: situations can feel analogous because you've already decided they're the same. It's tantamount to assuming what you are trying to show.
If the government's involvement were required for every drug transaction, the war on drugs would be a lot less futile. There is no way for misinformation to spread through Twitter without Twitter's involvement.
Twitter obviously can't shut down all information that might be wrong. It might try machine learning methods, but those a
Its about China (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Its about China (Score:4, Insightful)
I see this as even more sinister. This is straight up banning any speech that disagrees with the official government party line. Sure, in this case I'm sure the party line is correct, but that's what makes it so sinister. Conditioning requires that the subject benefit from submitting to the conditioning. This isn't just pleasing China, it's being China.
Oh, well, it's probably what Twitter users mostly want, so it's inevitable.
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Anyone who uses twitter for anything other than entertainment is not the brightest anyway.
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I would not disagree.
Re:Its about China (Score:5, Insightful)
Read it again. The US government's party line is the CDC's statements. Which as I say above I agree with. That's how you condition people: you don't start buy saying that "1+1=3" and ban dissent, that would never work. You start with stuff that's obviously true and ban dissent. You work up from there.
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That's how you condition people: you don't start buy saying that "1+1=3" and ban dissent, that would never work. You start with stuff that's obviously true and ban dissent. You work up from there.
It's Twitter. Fifteen years ago it didn't exist. Five years ago nobody gave a fuck if it existed. Ban, don't ban, what Twitter does is NOT significant. There is far more to the Internet than their shitty little corner of it, and what they do is not in any way irreplaceable. Far from it. No one is going to be conditioned to accept censorship because of fucking Twitter. Relax.
Re: Its about China (Score:2)
It's the NSDAP. Fifteen years ago it didn't exist. Five years ago nobody gave a fuck if it existed. Ban, don't ban, what NSDAP does is NOT significant. There is far more to Germany than their shitty little corner of it, and what they do is not in any way irreplaceable. Far from it. No one is going to be conditioned to accept censorship because of fucking NSDAP. Relax.
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It's the NSDAP. Fifteen years ago it didn't exist. Five years ago nobody gave a fuck if it existed.
You do realize that was a political party and Twitter is.... a website. Populated mostly by bots. Right? Your attempted parallel is more like orthogonal.
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Perhaps you should read your constitution and try to grasp, aka comprehend, it.
The "first amendment" is a "contract" between your government and YOU. Not between you and twitter. Being aware of a crime and not reporting it is in many jurisdictions: a crime. No idea about your place.
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Communist China had time to tell the world all about wuflu.
Advanced nations would have had weeks to get more ready.
Communist China sent its police to stop medical experts from telling the world all about wuflu.
Now big tech in the West wants more medical censorship...
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"require people to remove Tweets" (Score:3, Insightful)
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I always think this is the wrong move. (Score:4, Insightful)
And on the reverse end, let's assume they do this to something less desirable, like political opinions instead of harmful bullshit. In my opinion, it's a lot less harmful to falsely flag something as inaccurate than it is to falsely get rid of it entirely. I think flagging works better for both sides and I wish they'd consider it instead.
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I agree.
Twitter was testing such a feature [slashdot.org] too. They could have extended it to cover inaccurate covid-19 tweets.
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I agree.
Twitter was testing such a feature too. They could have extended it to cover inaccurate covid-19 tweets.
"What do they mean, 'Drinking bleach cures coronovirus in one hour' is misinformation? It's just Big Pharma trying to keep me dependent on their autism vaccines, I'll show them!"
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We have numerous examples that once people begin to panic, free speech *often* increase the problem.
Epidemics, mobs, civil unrest, disasters, in large crowds, etc.
I strongly support free speech and don't have a good answer.
But we have had *millions* of malicious or greedy or politically motivated people spreading false information about Covid19 that lead to it being such a problem.
Free speech helps when the government is the problem. But it just creates noise, chaos, cults of personality, etc. in other sit
Smoking bananas on Covid makes you 2x high! (Score:2)
See, don't need no Twitter for this!
Does that include banning Iran's clerics? (Score:2)
It's for your own good (Score:3, Insightful)
In order to help prevent the spread of covid-19, China is no longer considered to be the origin of the virus. It shall be referred to only as being 'asian' in origin.
Please follow our guidelines in using only passive voice in referring to the original outbreak, until such time all blame can be assigned on a convenient scapegoat of our choosing, which would not be a member of our growing family of Protected Groups.
Thank you for helping keep Twitter safe and clean so that everyone can enjoy expressing themselves.
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How about people promoting large group events? (Score:2)
Will they also start blocking all of the Spring Break and bar hangout tweets as well?
Who knows the truth (Score:2)
Re:Trump tweets.. (Score:4, Insightful)
Only took one post for an idiot to turn this political. Let me know when you rage about how Twitter isn't removing Chinese propaganda.
Re: Trump tweets.. (Score:1)
"Mercy on us!" thought the old Minister, and he opened his eyes wide. "I cannot see anything at all!" But he did not say this.
Both the rogues begged him to be so good as to come nearer, and asked if he did not approve of the colors and the pattern. Then they pointed to the empty loom, and the poor old Minister went on opening his eyes; but he could see nothing, for there was nothing to see.
"Mercy!" thought he, "can I indeed be so stupid? I never thought that, and not a soul must know it. Am I not fit for my office? No, it will never do for me to tell that I could not see the stuff. "
"Donâ(TM)t you say anything to it?" asked one, as he went on weaving.
"O, it is charmingâ"quite enchanting!" answered the old Minister, as he peered through his spectacles. "What a fine pattern, and what colors! Yes, I shall tell the Emperor that I am very much pleased with it. "
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Only took one post for an idiot to turn this political.
Yeah that idiot was Trump. I don't know how you thought this wouldn't be political, not because Slashdot, but because the most prolific user of Twitter is also the one spreading the most shit about COVID-19, and also happens to be the president.
Let me know when you rage about how Twitter isn't removing Chinese propaganda.
Why are you making it political? The GP was on point and on topic, and you're now turning it into an us vs them case of politics. You're the worst.
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Fuck you it is political... thanks to the POTUS (Score:3)
Fuck you. My Mother In Law believes that COVID-19 is less of a worry than the common flu and the concern is a hoax.
Guess where she got this information? From the POTUS and Hannity on Faux News
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Only took one post for an idiot to turn this political. Let me know when you rage about how Twitter isn't removing Chinese propaganda.
Only took you one post to try and turn it into a story about Chinese propaganda...
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So you're gonna start raging at CNN, ABC, NBC, and CBS now like a good little NPC? Wish all the best on your crusade then.
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What you are doing is 'whataboutism'. You are claiming hypocrisy, without addressing your opponent's arguments
In reality, Trump has media access and is trying to call it 'the Chinese virus' long after it had been given a widely publicized name.
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It was called the China Virus and Wuhan Virus from Day 1 by all media. Only now that the paymasters in Beijing need to change the narrative is it an issue.
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LOL!!! Who decided on the "proper name" for the Chinese Virus?
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LOL!!! Who decided on the "proper name" for the Chinese Virus?
Yup, pretty sure it *was* the WHO (World Health Organization, not the band) who decided on the proper / official name [who.int]
Official names have been announced for the virus responsible for COVID-19 (previously known as “2019 novel coronavirus”) and the disease it causes. The official names are:
Disease
coronavirus disease
(COVID-19)
Virus
severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2
(SARS-CoV-2)
Re: Trump tweets.. (Score:2)
Cool. Have they gone back and retroactively renamed the Spanish Flu also? Or are colloquial names for diseases only bad when the name refers to non-white populations?
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Keep that tinfoil hat on tight!
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I'm sure if viruses had gender you would be here obsessing over that too.
Nobody cares. Call it whatever you like.
Fortunately the people who have something useful to contribute are all working hard trying to minimize the impending damage to society.
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The WHO has been doing China's bidding since the beginning of this mess. No, I won't allow them or the ChiComs to dictate the words I'm aloud to use.
Mod me down but you ssir are a fucking moron!
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The WHO?
Or for dummies: The World Health Organization.
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People called it the Wuhan virus for a bit before it was identified and named, according to WHO guidelines [who.int], without referencing the geographic location. Everyone has been using coronairus or COVID-19 for weeks if not months now.
But this actually goes much further than this, he's pretty clearly trying paint this as a dirty foreign threat (because a deadly virus isn't bad enough) that he's going to protect everyone from. I wish I had to really stretch it to get to this conclusion but if you reed his tweets a
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Lol, no it wasn't. You guys who think you are Johnny Propaganda really sticking it to the libs crack me up.
It was almost universally referred to as Coronavirus. You aren't fooling anybody.
And I'm not even offended/don't care about it being called the China Virus (which nobody but tards like you does) on a real level. In fact, I find Kung Flu pretty funny. But stop pretending it's anything other than trying to needle the other side.
Re: Trump tweets.. (Score:2)
Cheeto _always_ cares what people think. It's literally his only concern. Not sure how many times he has to demonstrate that before--oh snap, NVM. Intentionally blind people will never see anything.
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That is because when dealing with hypocrisy, you don't care about the contents of the other argument. Instead you care about the inconsistent application of it. Also known as "double standards".
"Whataboutism" is a red herring IMHO, and calling it that doesn't refute anything.
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The logical fallacy would be suddenly being in support of something that appears to be pushed by China, when all of the media were using the terminology a week ago. [imgur.com] And being so hard-in on it, that you've accepted the new narrative without even questioning it.
Now you should ask yourself why you're pushing that view point so fully.
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The logical fallacy would be suddenly being in support of something that appears to be pushed by China, when all of the media were using the terminology a week ago. [imgur.com] And being so hard-in on it, that you've accepted the new narrative without even questioning it.
Now you should ask yourself why you're pushing that view point so fully.
You [bbc.com] lying [scientificamerican.com] sack [apnews.com] of shit [seattletimes.com], all those articles in your link are from the latter half of January (two months ago), not a week ago.
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Nope you're right, I should have said several weeks ago instead. But that's fine, the only thing I got wrong was the time frame - not that the media didn't do it.
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You are spreading false information again, as you usually do. Either you intentionally do so, or because you don't know any better.
Here are the news article that are in your image:
- January 17 Washington Post [washingtonpost.com].
- January 18 BBC [bbc.com]
- January 21 Scientific American [scientificamerican.com]
- January 29 Associated Press [twitter.com]
None of that is from a week ago like you falsely claim!
The WHO named the disease Covid-19 [thelancet.com] on February 11th. This is the disease name. The virus is named SARS-CoV-2, which the media never used.
There is an International Committe [wikipedia.org]
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Except it wasn't false, it was right. The time frame was wrong, which doesn't make it invalid either. But I can say, yep I fucked up on the time frame. Though I'm glad that you caught the part about the Chinese ambassador and his conspiracy theories, but you missed the part about the Chinese press also publishing those conspiracy theories. Since you've dug that far, why not dig a bit deeper? After all, you're only halfway to the part where China isn't open for business yet despite the claims that peopl
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The ambassador didn't just make that up on the fly. It is probably a concerted government effort to deflect blame for mishandling the epidemic by shooting the messenger (doctors who warned about it early).
So no wonder that conspiracy theory was published locally in Chin
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No surprise at all Mashiki is lying again [slashdot.org]
Or even that he is lying about the timeline [slashdot.org]
in order to cover for his earlier lies.
Standard procedure for him.
It's not even surprising certain types modded him up for it.
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Oh look, you've got your panties in a twist because it's not the right kind of information for you. That's rather amusing that you're hanging on that hard.
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it's not the right kind of information for you.
Lies usually aren't.
Why are they for you?
Keep trying to downplay the fact you were just caught out blatantly lying twice in two days in two different articles.
I'm sure some people are falling for it.
Both of them you are sinking the boot into China for some reason.
Coincidence?
Or do all your lies do that?
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Using "chinese virus" doesn't make it racist. Using "chink virus" "slant-eye fever" "yellow mans cough" would all be racist. But I commend you and your fellow progressives of watering down actual racism to the point that everything is now racist.
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Perhaps you should stop then, you're not 'winning' anything by adding nothing.
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Only one person cries like that, especially with the words 'lying and sock puppet upmodding' whatnot. Don't worry, your secret is safe with me, but you've sure fallen far that you now don't even have the testicular fortitude to post as a AC.
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Acknowledging that this global pandemic originated in China and was made worse by their totalitarian Communist policy is "anti-Chinese"?
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Strange. Are you absolutely certain it wasn't in Russia?
Twitter wants to cnsor stupidity? Or kill itself? (Score:2)
Your [Camel Pilot's] comment should be modded funny, but I can't help you. Timing problems? I'm failing to imagine the reasoning behind your current mod points.
Anyway, what struck me about this story is the self-contradictory, even suicidal, nature of this policy. Twitter is all about stupidity. Without the stupid stuff, especially the stupid lies, how would Twitter exist at all? Trump is only a symptom of the mental disease TwitBrain-11. (I'm obviously much too diplomatic to even dream of calling Twitter t
Re:Twitter wants to censor stupidity? Or kill itse (Score:2)
Typo in Subject: line. While in general I think it's a minor problem, right after posting an annoying typo the comment-editing feature becomes the top feature I wish I could help Slashdot implement.
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Typo in Subject: line. While in general I think it's a minor problem, right after posting an annoying typo the comment-editing feature becomes the top feature I wish I could help Slashdot implement.
To be fair it would probably break the moderation system. Might be possible to allow editing only until a post is moderated, but they would have to block moderation while the editor window is open on an existing post. Alternatively editing could remove all moderation, but I would not want to see downmods removable, nothing good would come of that. Seems like a lot of effort regardless so I would not hold my breath.
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Hmm... I'm inclined to agree with you, but I was thinking of the 5-minute thing that many websites offer. Basically there seem to be some typos that always slip through any number of previews, but stab you in the eye the second you think you got the last bug and click Submit. (And everyone knows you can never get the last bug.)
Might be an interesting counterexample against the CSB (Charity Share Brokerage) approach that I've been advocating. What happens when enough people agree to pay for a bad feature? Al
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Capable of changing his mind?. He now claims he always knew it was going to be a pandemic and doctors are always asking how he knows so much... LOL. You are a disgrace supporting this disaster of a president.
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the WHO tweeted out at one point that Covid19 could not be transmitted from human to human
No they did not. They tweeted:
Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #China
Did you read your link? If so you are either a lier or an idiot, your pick.
If you did not read the link, why quote it - wrong - and link it?
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So what's your suggestion? Unless you have a better idea, that's still the best we have.
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Personally I have no problem with millions being dead. As long as i'm not among them, of course.
But I'm still waiting for your suggestion. Why should we do? Let it take its course? Well, it would sure take some pressure off our overstrained retirement system, that's for sure. Unfortunately I'm not really enough of an asshole to think that's a good idea.
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Let it take its course?
It hasn't dawned on everyone yet that the siege mentality is a long, long term plan. If you isolate your vulnerable population you can only release them after the LAST CASE IN THE WORLD has been resolved. Otherwise it all just starts again. It is going to take its course one way or another. Fine you can shut down an economy for a week or so and produce no more than a temporary hiccup. How about staying like this for the next year or so, until an effective vaccine has been distributed and everyone has been i
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I rather like that the leadership in my country are asking those same questions, and basing their virus response on a longer term view of population impacts and behaviours.
Doesn't stop the Twitter clowns demanding authoritarian controls anyway, but I support freedom of speech so we'd best let them scream into the wind.
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Oh yeah... They got that info from the CCP.
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Survival of the species? Melodrama much?
We're still talking about a 1% death rate. The whole quarantine deal is not about survival of the species, it's about avoiding a riot by keeping medical facilities from being overwhelmed so people don't kill each other over the chance to see their loved ones get one of the rare ventilators.
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it's about avoiding a riot by keeping medical facilities from being overwhelmed so people don't kill each other
And that's not a valid reason ?
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There's a lot of hysteria going on over this crisis. Especially in the US where we've been told for weeks this is no big deal or it's all a hoax and then all of a sudden it *IS* a big deal and all we get is "self-quarantine, avoid gatherings, and we'll see what we can do about it." No real action plan, and no real information other than what we're able to scrounge online from other countries. Meanwhile you've got thousands of service industry folks, venue staff, bar staff, etc, out of work with no idea w
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Meanwhile you've got thousands of service industry folks, venue staff, bar staff, etc, out of work with no idea when they'll get to return and no clue at all how their going to pay rent/mortgage or pay for their food in the next couple weeks if they can't go back to work.
The only "positive" thing, and that is neither meant cynical nor sarcastic is: you realize now in what a fucked up country you live. In Europe basically no one loses his job because of the crisis. The few cases where it is possible to fire
Re:So all White House and Trump tweets? (Score:5, Insightful)
one of the rare ventilators.
Ahh yes the ventilators. Don't get me started on the ventilators. First off - I'm a doctor. General practitioner. And I know how a ventilator works and what it's supposed to do, the functions it's capable of, etc - in principle - but I wouldn't trust myself to run one. They require a training course that lasts quite a few days. So ventilators doesn't suddenly mean you have all the staff qualified to use them.
The other thing about ventilators that non medical people don't realize is that they're not a magic bullet. If you need to be put on a ventilator - you are really fucked, health wise. Putting you on the ventilator can save your life, and it does save lives. However putting the ELDERLY on ventilators usually means you can never get them off. Someone on mechanical ventilation for more than 3 days or so is bound to develop pneumonia. It's a fact of life from having an endotracheal tube getting full of saliva and bacteria 24/7 and you can aspirate all you want - you're still going to get bacteria down to the lungs. Tracheostomy helps, but it's still a foreign body exposed to the environment, needs to be cleaned, and the risk of secondary infection is very high. So these infections will run rampant in your elderly patients - ON TOP of their existing COVID-19 infection/pneumonitis, and on top of any other underlying medical condition(s). You'll be lucky not to be ventilating a corpse after a week or so - assuming they don't die of sepsis first.
THEN there's the part that when you're on a ventilator you stop breathing for yourself. The machine breathes for you. And strangely enough it's not easy to get back into the habit of breathing. For someone young, and someone who hasn't been on a ventilator for a long time, it's easier to regain this reflex. But the elderly have an especially hard time managing it. So they need to be "weaned" off the ventilator. That means the machine can sense when the person is trying to take a breath, and it allows the person to make the effort and breathe for themselves. If the person doesn't breathe at a satisfactory rate, the machine then provides the missing breaths. Weaning the elderly off of mechanical ventilation can easily take WEEKS. And during all this time they're exposed to all those infection risks - not to mention bed sores, etc. Oh and those infections of course tend to be the nosocomial kind - with resistant organisms.
So no - more ventilators is a political thing. It is not going to solve many problems. Sure, it might save a few people - but what you will end up having is a population of elderly people stuck on ventilators for god knows how many months until they start dying off from infections, strokes, their underlying conditions, etc. The HARD choice that needs to be made is: who do you allow on the ventilator in the first place. If you put grandma - that machine is unavailable for 2 months or more. The younger guy - he might be better by the end of the week. This is a tough call, an ethical call, and not many are willing to make it. It's easier to ask for more ventilators.
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All true and valid, but a medical facility that has ventilators will also have the staff required to operate them. Else they're, well, about as useful as a mainframe without a mainframe operator. Expensive and quite impressive, but essentially useless.
But the problem runs deeper. As usual, facts matter little once fear of dying meets partial information. In other words, you try to convince the children of a 70 year old patient why he shouldn't get it while you're on your way to give it someone else. You thi
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All true and valid, but a medical facility that has ventilators will also have the staff required to operate them.
Also true. But if you increase the amount of units you need to increase the staff. The thing about our job is - sometimes we have to take that extra hour with that difficult patient who insists on trying to die all the time. Piling on more responsibilities to the same amount of staff does not scale well. Sure the machines do most of the work - but someone has to be free when needed.
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THEN there's the part that when you're on a ventilator you stop breathing for yourself. The machine breathes for you.
And that's the point I struggled to believe that you are a GP. I work for a company that makes ventilators. Yes they breathe for you, but they are designed to detect your breathing attempts and assist them, not to blindly replace them (unless you already have lost all lung function). That's why the training is needed so you set the parameters right for that to happen.
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I work for a company that makes ventilators.
That's why the training is needed
I struggled to believe that you are a GP
GP's aren't trained to use ventilators. That's mostly for intensive care, anesthesia, emergency specialists and of course respiratory therapy. I've have them explained to me, probably more than most GP's. I've altered parameters exactly as requested by those with training. I am aware you can adjust the sensitivity depending on how much you want to make the patient "work" for their breath. But I'm not going to take your word over a 30 year intensive care specialist who told me on rounds that old people and v
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DNR's aren't always honored in Ontario.
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Would CPAP be of any use regaining the breathing reflex?
It helps the "in" part but doesn't breathe out for you.
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They require a training course that lasts quite a few days. So ventilators doesn't suddenly mean you have all the staff qualified to use them.
Which is why the UK Government is, in addition to working with the manufacturing industry to increase the supply of ventilators, getting more people trained to use them.
more ventilators is a political thing. It is not going to solve many problems
It'll increase the health services capacity to handle people suffering from a virus that requires a ventilator to help treat severe cases.
Sure, it might save a few people
Many people think this is a worthwhile aim. If the choice is 'die without a ventilator' or 'be saved' a lot of people would take option two.
Plus of course 'a few' is rather nebulous. At peak, 'a few' could
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Denying science and reality won't save you, but it will increase your risks.
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Tell it to the media, they're quite happy denying science and reality right now.
Re:The corporate nanny state is here (Score:4, Insightful)
My favourite thing about Twitter is that despite the media and certain political groups thinking that it's important, it's entirely incapable of predicting actual population responses and attitudes.
Which leads to media shock and distress at things like the British people voting for the party that has now delivered Brexit. Ah, that was so sweet.