Coronavirus Vaccine Trial Starts Today (apnews.com) 127
The first participant in a clinical trial for a vaccine to protect against the new coronavirus will receive an experimental dose on Monday, Associated Press has reported. From the report: The National Institutes of Health is funding the trial, which is taking place at the Kaiser Permanente Washington Health Research Institute in Seattle. The official who disclosed plans for the first participant spoke on condition of anonymity because the move has not been publicly announced. Public health officials say it will take a year to 18 months to fully validate any potential vaccine. Testing will begin with 45 young, healthy volunteers with different doses of shots co-developed by NIH and Moderna. There's no chance participants could get infected from the shots, because they don't contain the virus itself. The goal is purely to check that the vaccines show no worrisome side effects, setting the stage for larger tests.
Suspend ethics and red tape (Score:2, Interesting)
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Extreme circumstances call for extreme measures. We need to bypass normal process, ask for non-violent offender volunteers from a prison population and test vaccine by intentionally infecting volunteers with COVID. Surviving volunteers, paid their debt to society in this way, get pardon and are released after trials and quarantine.
Why do that?
As seriously panicked the population is here, I'm sure you will find a huge group of wiling volunteers lining up at the door to get the test vaccine, fully believing they are cheating death by being the first to get it.
I'll bet you don't even need to pay anybody for taking the risk.
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Extreme circumstances call for extreme measures. We need to bypass normal process, ask for non-violent offender volunteers from a prison population and test vaccine by intentionally infecting volunteers with COVID. Surviving volunteers, paid their debt to society in this way, get pardon and are released after trials and quarantine.
Why do that?
As seriously panicked the population is here, I'm sure you will find a huge group of wiling volunteers lining up at the door to get the test vaccine, fully believing they are cheating death by being the first to get it.
I'll bet you don't even need to pay anybody for taking the risk.
Ah yea, that's what the world needs right now: A failed, potentially harmful, rushed public trial of a vaccine for the Kim Kardashian of viruses.
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Extreme circumstances call for extreme measures. We need to bypass normal process, ask for non-violent offender volunteers from a prison population and test vaccine by intentionally infecting volunteers with COVID. Surviving volunteers, paid their debt to society in this way, get pardon and are released after trials and quarantine.
There are likely plenty of people outside of prison who would volunteer especially if there was monetary compensation. Even without compensation, you would likely get plenty of volunteers. You would be helping society (or possibly an elderly relative) and if you are young your risk of dying are minimal and you are guaranteed good medical care which reduced your risk even further.
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"There are likely plenty of people outside of prison who would volunteer"
No doubt there are. But how would that gratify Internet Tough Guy's lurid revenge fantasies? Enquiring minds want to know!
Re: Suspend ethics and red tape (Score:3, Insightful)
OMG people are getting a nasty flu! Quick, let's discard every last vestige of being a civilized society and go full Nazi!!
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I don't think you know your history very well. Look up Tuskegee syphilis experiment. It's an old US tradition to abuse those who are powerless.
P.S.: The US isn't the only place with this kind of thing in its history. I'm sure your own country has examples. The Nazis were just recent and a bit more extreme than usual. There have been worse. Consider the Mongols.
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A nasty flu, like the Spanish flu of 1918 I presume you mean.
This corona virus is easily 50x more deadly than seasonal flu, the big problem with it is that about 10% of people with it need critical care which is a very finite resource.
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Yes, let's devolve into measures only a totalitarian state would resort to and thus show our Constitution is meaningless.
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For the Feds to do it would, indeed, seem to me to violate the Constitution. For some state to do it would not, and neither would the feds encouraging, perhaps with funding, a state doing it. (Well, actually I think it would, if the Constitution were interpreted with anything approaching accuracy, but it falls within the traditions Supreme Court interpretation of the Constitution.)
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O_o
So, release violent offenders!
Doesn't seem like a great plan to me.
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ask for non-violent offender volunteers from a prison population and test vaccine by intentionally infecting volunteers with COVID. Surviving volunteers, paid their debt to society in this way, get pardon and are released after trials and quarantine.
This has got to be the dumbest fucking idea I've ever heard. The world has a shortage of a lot of things, but drug trial volunteers are not one of them.
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Oh fuck off. You guys are fucking shitheads. I can't believe this drivel modded insightful, but you guys are vicious. YOU AREN'T GOING TO DIE OF CORONAVIRUS. I'm done with you guys and am calling you out.
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I'm done with you guys and am calling you out.
Which is it? Normally I agree with many of your posts, but today you're just losing your shit.
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Some people handle fear by going in to denial.
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"YOU AREN'T GOING TO DIE OF CORONAVIRUS."
Thanks, Nostradamus.
>2% are dying. ad that with a working health system. as soon as been and ventilators are used up, then it will climb.
This isn't hyperbole, or alarmist, its' based on actual experts.
The Coronvirus also makes it easier for other virus and bacteria be more effective in their attack on your system.
You aren't calling anyone out, because You Are Wrong.
But tell me: If a qualified prisoner wants to volunteer for testing, then what's the problem?
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Actually, people in prison have a lot of other thing that make them poor test subjects.
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There's good reason to use prison populations.
There's a good argument to be made there yes, but I think there's a better solution.
The virus is worse for old people, and men too apparently. We'd need about 100 or so to start with.
Probably best if we pick people who are more spread out over the country, in case there are local differences we haven't thought of.
We could pick say 2 from each state.
So how about these guys [senate.gov] for the first round of testing?
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How is their post narcissistic ?
When they get to the point they need human testing, asking prisoner to volunteer isn't a bad idea. Don't force them.
That said, prison population have other issue that make the selection pool for people who can be good test candidates is really low.
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I actually think that a light controlled infection with COVID-19 might get you to become immune to the virus in a controlled manner that is very easily survivable. And this is better than a big-load infection from a child sneezing in your face first.
In latter case your immune system wont be prepared. Within a few hours your immune system would get too much to deal with. And might acutely overreact. Which gets you in a serious fever that can be life threatening.
While the light controlled infection would allo
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A lot of children dies using that idea about chicken pox.
"n a controlled manner that is very easily survivable."
How do you know who will survive?
" And this is better than a big-load infection"
no, it's pretty much the same.
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FWIW, having a corona virus does not guarantee that you won't catch it again. Perhaps this one works that way, but many don't. The reason is that RNA viruses are highly mutable, and if what the immune system latches onto isn't a critical region, than a mutation that the virus finds harmless, or even useful, will mean that the immune system can no longer recognize it. There have already been reports of people getting the virus more than once. Those *might* be in error, and there are a few other possibili
Thank god (Score:1, Flamebait)
Thank god for big pharma companies like Moderna.
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Thank god for big pharma companies like Moderna.
I wonder if Moderna took a deal like the one Trump offered to German company CureVac. Basically he offered them a "large sum of money" (to quote the reports, no dollar figure was given) for access to a Covid-19 vaccine under development, with the caveat that it would be for US use only.
Re:Thank god (Score:5, Informative)
More lies. From CureVac themselves: "To make it clear again on coronavirus: CureVac has not received from the US government or related entities an offer before, during and since the Task Force meeting in the White House on March 2. CureVac rejects all allegations from press."
This site is full of shitheads, and you are one of them.
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If I only had Mod Points, you'd be at +5
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Yeah well don't worry I will be modded to oblivion. But I am calling out the shitheads until then.
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Just like that Google cockup the media put out the other day.
You know it's bad when companies like Google that despise Trump are issuing press releases supporting him and calling the media out as fake news.
Re:Thank god (Score:4, Informative)
Just like that Google cockup the media put out the other day.
You know it's bad when companies like Google that despise Trump are issuing press releases supporting him and calling the media out as fake news.
Nothing Google put out really supported Trump. Google itself is making an informational only website, while an Alphabet subsidiary is making a trial website for the Bay Area only (that only directs to 2 testing centers).
To be fair, I think someone told Trump that Google was working on these 2 things and, since in his mind everything has to be bigger and better and grandiose, he exaggerated it into "Google has 1700 programmers working on this testing website that will be out in 2 days". Whether it was a willful inflation or not is anyone's guess, but it's just one more clue into how the mind and administration of Trump functions.
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Not only Google. CNN was one of the few who reported that the whole CureVac thing was false: https://edition.cnn.com/world/... [cnn.com]
Strange times.
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Why wouldn't they? the GERMAN GOVERNMENT was making the claim.
The real test hers is who didn't report what a major country was saying? would that me fox news? hmmm.
CNN also immediately reported when CureVac denied it.
You idiots who have n idea how journalism works are pathetic pieces of shit you are helping rip this country apart.
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the GERMAN GOVERNMENT was making the claim.
What claim?
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Man, you trumpanzees grasping at straws is pretty pathetic.
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More lies. From CureVac themselves: "To make it clear again on coronavirus: CureVac has not received from the US government or related entities an offer before, during and since the Task Force meeting in the White House on March 2. CureVac rejects all allegations from press."
This site is full of shitheads, and you are one of them.
What is interesting is that the CEO of CureVac (who did meet with Trump) suddenly left the company a couple days ago with no announcement or explanation.
Also, it appears both the German Heath Ministry and major investors of CureVac seemed to believe the reports of the offer were genuine. So there's one of two likely possibilities here: one was that Trump actually did try to make an offer, whether to CureVac or to Menichella himself; the second is that there was no offer but Trump's actions as president to
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he would try to buy exclusive access to a vaccine which would be morally reprehensible.
Morally reprehensible? Really? You know there is no chance a vaccine can be manufacture in large enough quantities on short notice for everyone at least not without impacting the manufacture of other badly needed vaccines and drugs. It probably can't even be produced and distributed in large enough quantity to cover at-risk populations. So trying make sure at least Americans have access to enough dosages to protect ourselves seems to me like something POTUS SHOULD BE DOING.
His job is the security and genera
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His job is the security and general welfare of the USA and its Citizens, he is obligated to place that priority first.
That is true. So, in the hypothetical situation where there is an ability to offer a huge sum of money, the correct course of action would be to make that offer, but for a licence, and allow your own domestic pharmaceutical and biomedical companies produce the vaccine for domestic consumption. This ensures that as many doses of the vaccine are available for your own population without preventing access for other states. There should be no actual, physical limitation that only the initial company could ma
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No, he should not.
What he SHOULD be doing is ramping up and putting into a place a quick means of manufacture and distribution so when one became available, we can hit the ground running.
Have sole access is irrelevant without that.
He does not know how any of this works.
It isn't a piece of land, it's chemical information that can be distributed to many countries and be manufactured in many places at once.
"His job is the security and general welfare of the USA and its Citizens,"
well, no. His job is to be in
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You know there is no chance a vaccine can be manufacture in large enough quantities on short notice for everyone at least not without impacting the manufacture of other badly needed vaccines and drugs ....
Fabricating a vaccine is one of the most simplest things in the world. Yes, in a week or so you can produce enough to vaccine everyone
Finding it: that is the tricky part.
Are you somehow brainwashed that vaccines need to be expensive or are "complicated"? A team of 10 figures how to tackle a certain virus i
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he would try to buy exclusive access to a vaccine which would be morally reprehensible.
Morally reprehensible? Really? You know there is no chance a vaccine can be manufacture in large enough quantities on short notice for everyone at least not without impacting the manufacture of other badly needed vaccines and drugs. It probably can't even be produced and distributed in large enough quantity to cover at-risk populations. So trying make sure at least Americans have access to enough dosages to protect ourselves seems to me like something POTUS SHOULD BE DOING.
Let's say that in the first months, they'll only be able to manufacture a few million units. If you were thinking ONLY of the US, would it be better for those units to go to vaccinating only US citizens, or to vaccinating all front-line healthcare workers globally? Keep in mind that as of yet we've not managed to teach any virus to respect national borders.
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What's it like to live in a permanent state of baseless yet hysterical outrage?
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If you only response is to claim someones is hysterical and outraged, then you got nothing.
What's it like to have nothing but false belief, attacks, and lies?
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LOL. Literally the first incorrect thing you've been right about.
so not 'more lies'.
OOH, after the report, the German government got involved. After which CureVac, the administration change their story pretty rapidly.
I don't know whats going on their, but I do know this administration can't be trusted, at all.
Worrying commentary (Score:4, Insightful)
Wow, the early posts on this article on Slashdot are pretty worrying. Rushing towards suspending our country's ethical foundation and removing human rights.
I've known two people who actually did participate experimental vaccine studies. The pay was excellent (IIRC around $25k about 10 years ago), but they had to go back for blood tests twice a week for a year, and of course there were the risks of an untested vaccine. They volunteered and the product had undergone a long period of pre-trial testing for safety.
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This is what narcissism brings. Assholes think they know everything because they earn six figures programming websites. These people need to go to fucking Mars with Musk.
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Envious of virgin website programmers who have no friends and think it is OK to sacrifice fellow human beings? No. Fuck off. This website is shit.
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No I live in Russia trolling stupid virgin American boys who think they are important.
Only you think that is something to envy. (Score:2)
Which is kinda our point.
You aren't any different from.a common whore. ... wasted to make your high-score number bigger. And then the game is shut off and there is emptiness again.
Money is your only value in your shallow empty life. The golden calf is your god.
You will never know real love or the feeling of having achieved something of actual value for society or humanity.
Your entire life
No, Musk has achieved fuck-all. The engineers and inventors and mechanics and builders, etc. he leeches on, have.
Re: Worrying commentary (Score:1)
Ooooooooooh, I'm so envious of you as you spend your entire waking life glued to your desk in a soul crushing open plan office, under the watchful eye of the HR Nazis and your "scrum master", earning enough to afford *your very own bedroom* in a shared house in a city with literal human shit covering the streets. It sure must be grand to be a merchant prince like Anonymous Coward!
Re:Worrying commentary (Score:5, Insightful)
You're bribing vulnerable people into participating either way, whether it's money (i.e. using the poor as guinea pigs) or reduced sentences (i.e. using prisoners).
If you want to be above all moral dilemmas you need anonymous, healthy, voluntary participants who do it for free. Maybe you'd need some more requirements I didn't think of off the top of my hat. Good luck.
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If it gave a chance I'd not get COVID-19, I'd do it, and I'm anonymous, healthy, and doing it voluntarily. I had SARS in the past, and don't want to spend a better part of a month coughing my lungs out. I know a lot of elderly people who would take the risk because they almost would certainly die from COVID-19.
Bring it on. It may be experimental, but who cares... it is definitely a lot better than getting the disease.
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So, I assume you have already volunteered to test this new vaccine? It is, after all, for a greater good, and a civic duty....
Or do you think it's only a civic duty for OTHER people?
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If you want to be above all moral dilemmas you need anonymous, healthy, voluntary participants who do it for free.
No you don't. There's nothing immoral about exchanging a service for money. If anything it would be immoral to put something through a risk and expect them to receive nothing in return.
However that is no where near as immoral as buying your way out of a prison sentence. By comparing the two you have directly put a price on sentence reduction, and comparing that to simply being paid to undergo a trial is absurd.
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25k isn't excellent money, even 10 years ago.
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Above and on top of my job? That's pretty good money. I was tempted back then. Now I've got kids at home, so it'd be tough to go to the lab 2x/week before work.
The anti-vaxxers' heads will explode. :D (Score:5, Funny)
On one hand, they are deadly afraid of vaccines.
On the other hand, they are deadly afraid of Corona.
That's how you get* a split personality disorder. XD
It reminds me of the US dropping US flags with a picture of Kim-Yong Il over North Korea... (They are brainwashed to treat US flags as poison, not touch them, and not pick them up. But also to treat their dear leader like a god, pick up things depicting him with both hands and treat them with the utmost care and respect. .. Yes, it was cruel, ... but also funny. :)
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* Of course it's not that simple. Don't worry, I know. Just enjoy the thought.
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On one hand, they are deadly afraid of vaccines.
On the other hand, they are deadly afraid of Corona.
That's how you get* a split personality disorder. XD
It reminds me of the US dropping US flags with a picture of Kim-Yong Il over North Korea... (They are brainwashed to treat US flags as poison, not touch them, and not pick them up. But also to treat their dear leader like a god, pick up things depicting him with both hands and treat them with the utmost care and respect. .. Yes, it was cruel, ... but also funny. :)
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* Of course it's not that simple. Don't worry, I know. Just enjoy the thought.
I liked the reports of Taiwan making masks with the Taiwanese flag printed on them for distribution in China.
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The Anti-Vaxx'ers I know fully believe that this virus thing is all a hoax anyway. ALL of them...
So they are not afraid of Corona, Chicken Pox, Mumps, Polio, Measles, you name it... They are all just the medical community lying to you in order to enable the "Big Pharma" companies to make wads of cash selling you shots that cause autism in your children because your doctor gets their cut too...
Seriously.. These folks are crazy, at least the ones I know.
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Ain't that always the case... (Score:4, Insightful)
Couldn't agree more.
In my country, Germany, the Nazis re-emerged as soon as the old people died off, who had seen it first-hand.
All hate in the world is caused by people being ignorant of other people, instead of talking to them.
The key is, that you don't have to agree! But you don't have to hate them anymore either! Instead you can focus on solving the actual problem, without causing even more harm with irrational unwise reactions.
I don't hate Nazis anymore. I get how they become Nazis. I cannot guarantee that I'd be better, given their life stories. They are mistreated kids. And I personally saw them being cured, simply by their lives getting better.
Religious terrorists are the same thing.
And in fact, in the vast majority of cases, it is just people being overwhelmed, scared and helpless.
The offender needs help just as much as the victim. Only that way can you prevent future harm.
So I choose to be a great and respecting person, to everyone evil and dumb that is just scared. Which is not always possible, due to my own triggers and being scared or overwhelmed and helpless. But I do what I can I can still be a dumb asshole on the Internet, until I grow out of it. ;) ... :)
This is why you don't need to take anger online to hard. It's fine. I lost my train of thought
OMG (Score:1)
"...at the Kaiser Permanente..."
We're all going to die.
Difference between Virus and Bacteria (Score:2)
That vaccine is guilty! (Score:2)
Guilty I say! Throw the book at it!
Targeted use before (Score:2)
Public health officials say it will take a year to 18 months to fully validate any potential vaccine.
because it takes additional studies of thousands of people to tell if a vaccine truly protects and does no harm
I wonder if initials test go OK, will they allow limited use on the vulnerable elderly/afflicted populations? Most people under 50 aren't at high risk (and kids have nearly zero risk), but the elderly are dying at high rates. If the potential side effects are no worse than the virus itself (i.e., 'not dying'), and the worse case is that it doesn't work well, it seems it might be worth the risk to use it early.
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Public health officials say it will take a year to 18 months to fully validate any potential vaccine.
because it takes additional studies of thousands of people to tell if a vaccine truly protects and does no harm
I wonder if initials test go OK, will they allow limited use on the vulnerable elderly/afflicted populations? Most people under 50 aren't at high risk (and kids have nearly zero risk), but the elderly are dying at high rates. If the potential side effects are no worse than the virus itself (i.e., 'not dying'), and the worse case is that it doesn't work well, it seems it might be worth the risk to use it early.
Why do you say that it seems worth the risk to use it early? I mean, what's the evidence?
The reasons vaccines are generally safe is because we test the hell out of them before rolling them out to large populations. As it is, we're very likely to push this one into use with greatly reduced testing relative to past vaccines, and thus with increased risk of negative outcomes. If we push it too far, we risk harming a lot of people who otherwise might not have died, without saving anyone, which would set vacc
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Why do you say that it seems worth the risk to use it early?
It depends on what the 'possible side effects' are that they are testing for. If the possible side effects are constipation, diarrhea, headaches, etc. vs. a one-in-ten chance of people over 70 dying from Coronavirus, then we may deem it worth the risk to OFFER it to just those over 70. Now, if one of the possible unknown side effects is actually dying (or some debilitating condition), then it's not worth the risk.
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Why do you say that it seems worth the risk to use it early?
It depends on what the 'possible side effects' are that they are testing for. If the possible side effects are constipation, diarrhea, headaches, etc. vs. a one-in-ten chance of people over 70 dying from Coronavirus, then we may deem it worth the risk to OFFER it to just those over 70. Now, if one of the possible unknown side effects is actually dying (or some debilitating condition), then it's not worth the risk.
Err, I don't think it works that way. I mean, I don't think they say "Hey, here's a possible vaccine, but I'm worried it causes constipation, could you check for that?" I think how it works is "Here's a possible vaccine, could you figure out if there are any nasty unexpected side effects?" You're putting something in your body which is supposed to impact your immune system function. It would sure be a bummer to let a bunch of people into a vaccination "You break it you own it" trial, only to find out th
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I think how it works is "Here's a possible vaccine, could you figure out if there are any nasty unexpected side effects?
Uh, yes that is how it works. That was stated in my post via a quote. It's WHAT possible side effects are they testing for that is the question and how severe are they. They have, after all, injected this stuff into live, healthy humans. I hope they are pretty sure it won't kill/maim them in some way.
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Smart. Buy high, sell low. Total genius. Vote for Bernie?
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How many?
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How many?
Between four and six depending on how you count them.
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Good for him. What fucking difference does that make to you? Did he lose you a fucking dime? No, he didn't. So fuck off.
Re: Can't happen too soon (Score:5, Insightful)
Yeah, he lost YOUR dime.
Which is exactly the point, you blithering idiot!
What do you think a tax writeoff is? Infrastructure used an inflation caused but not paid! Aka stolen. Infrastructure that you then had to pay more for with too higj taxes.
What do you think happened to those who did not get their money due to his fake "bankruptcy"? Employees, contractors, etc.
Apart form casinos being nothing but a criminal activity (dupery) in the first place!
How do you think such a professional thief will run the country?
Apparently you love being milked and blame those trying to save you. I call that the Livestockholm Syndrome.
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He didn't lose a single dime of mine. LOL "tax writeoff". Get the fuck out of here. Another moron. Jesus, Bernie Bros.
When he gets a tax write-off for being a shitty businessman you get taxed more, genius.
Re: Can't happen too soon (Score:1)
Those are Democrat Party trolls - probably on the Media Matters payroll - not Bernie Bros.
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His incompetence is why instead of a controlled slide, the market is diving.
You don't have a 401k?
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If you haven't failed, you aren't trying hard enough.
- Anyone successful in Business.
Henry Ford had to file bankruptcy for his Detroit Automobile Company which was backed by three prominent politicians (who Ford blamed for the financial default and became obsessed with getting rid of). His second attempt, the Henry Ford Company, met with the same bankruptcy fate.
I now own a Ford Mustang. Ford was the only company in the 2009 crises to not take federal bailouts.
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I think that should be 'Anyone successful at anything'
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Because if he couldn't declare bankruptcy no one would have built the automobile?
Are you dumb?
". Ford was the only company in the 2009 crises to not take federal bailouts."
That has nothing to do with the beginnings of FORD and literally has no real connection except name on building. The entirely financial structure at Ford isn't really the same.
SO, yes, yes you are dumb.
"I now own a Ford Mustang"
Stupidity, cofirmed.
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Are you enjoying your betamale Prius?
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Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin downplayed the likelihood of an economic recession as American economy takes a beating from coronavirus, saying “I don’t think so” when asked about the prospect.
It's OK, after it's over there will be pent up demand... Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin told CNBC on Monday [cnbc.com]
there will be a surge of demand for stocks once the coronavirus threat abates.
Assuming there are enough survivors anyway.
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Assuming there are enough survivors anyway.
This is not an existential threat. The current survival rate is estimated at about 99%. Even if everyone got infected and because of lack of medical care, the death rate rose to an unrealistic 10% that is still a 90% survival rate. Even that wouldn't be civilization ending.
Re: Can't happen too soon (Score:2)
While it's true this is not an existential threat, you have to qualify that: existential threat to *what*?
This is definitely not a threat to the species, but if literally everybody got it and 1% died you're go to see a lot of things perish, businesses for a start. Probably political careers. Unstable regimes (Iran?).
Eventually 100% of everyone dies. Panic is tied to rate of death and unexpectedness. If 1% of everyone died suddenly and unexpectedly enough you could see a sudden and correspondingly drastic tr
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If everyone got it in a short time frame, 10% would die.
No hospital beds, not respirators. No room for all the other life threatening illness and accidents.
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It should, perhaps, be noted that about 1.25% of everyone dies every year in the normal course of things.
And since the people most vulnerable to covid-19 are the elderly (who make up the overwhelming majority of that 1.25%+ who die every year), I expect that without the news going on about it, you'd not even notice the small rise in the death rate from this....
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". The current survival rate is estimated at about 99%. "
that a fucking lie, please stop spreading it you dipshit.
If more then 300,000 people need hospitalization, the death toll will spike.
It's not likely to be an existential crisis, but you don't seem to have a clue how bad it is.
10% in the above scenarios is likely, not unrealistic.
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". The current survival rate is estimated at about 99%. " ... but that again: is only based on known cases, not on total infected.
that a fucking lie, please stop spreading it you dipshit.
He probably meant: all infected cases and not "all known cases", which are much less and there the death rate varies from county to country between close to zero, average about 4% to up to 50%. USA is the leader in death rate with nearly 80%
Re: Can't happen too soon (Score:1)
Oh please!
Either this crazy reaction is reasonable... in that case we must react in that ballpark for the flu and cold and car crashes etc too.
OR the reaction to the flu and cold and car crashes is sane, and this reaction is utterly insane.
PICK *ONE*!
I may sound harsh (I'm Germany, forgive me), but I think this is FINALLY the predator that humanity needed, to thin the herd, by picking off the weakest and oldest, so humanity can emerge stronger.
Natural selection, so to.speak.
Yeah, it hurts if your grandma di
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Pick one? THEY ARE NOT THE FUCKING SAME THING, YOU STUPID PIECE OF SHIT.
How many experts need to tell you that, you dumb dumb?
~0.15% of people die from influenza. COVID is over 2.0% WITH a intact medical system.
Influenza spread through a vaccinated populas, so less impact.
Influenza is more spread out.
JFC, I thought that had good education in Germany.
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JFC, I thought that had good education in Germany.
In theory yes, in practice no. It varies from year to year and school to school and federal state to federal state.
And: common sense seems to be hard to teach :P
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The education in Germany is okay, but even we can't cure stupidity. Your signature is very appropriate.
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Oh please!
Either this crazy reaction is reasonable... in that case we must react in that ballpark for the flu and cold and car crashes etc too. OR the reaction to the flu and cold and car crashes is sane, and this reaction is utterly insane.
PICK *ONE*!
I think there's a third option.
Have you considered the fact that you might be just wrong?
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Well, if it kills 1% of the 250 Million or so in the country, Then we will have 247 Million consumers left. I think that's plenty of folks.
Jesus it's that bad already !! There were 330 million just the other day [worldometers.info]
Time to take this shit seriously.
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When you have for-profit prisons,
and incarcerate a higher percentage of your population than any other state on the planet and in recent history,
then maybe you should stop treating prisoners as monsters, and check what crimes YOU commited to get them in that situation.
(Like what policy makers you backed.)
PROTIP: Every time somebody goes to prison, you failed to save a fellow citizen!
From not being able to grow up and live in a safe and nurturing environment that prevents them having to become criminals.
Veng
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Sorry, but there *are* people who are inherent criminals...though like many other things, it's a gradient. Your point about it being only a small proportion of the population is reasonably valid if you admit that it's a gradient. But you need SOME way to deal with the malignant tail. If you got the worst 1% I think you could deal with the rest outside of prisons. Unfortunately, several of those at the levers of power are among those who would need to be extracted from society. A rule of thumb is that th