You Can Now Take Up To 12 Ounces of Hand Sanitizer Through Airport Security 128
The Transportation Security Administration (TSA) will now allow passengers to bring on board hand sanitizer containers up to 12 ounces in size, which is much larger than the standard 3.4 ounces (100 milliliters) previously allowed. The Verge reports: There are some caveats, though. The updated policy only applies to hand sanitizer. And larger containers will be subject to additional screening by TSA agents, which will likely lead to increased wait times. So ask yourself before heading out to the airport: how much sanitizer do you really need? Airports are said to be stocking up on disinfectants and other cleaning equipment. Passengers are likely to see hand sanitizer stations everywhere at airports reflecting this new reality, so no worries for those who don't feel like lugging a huge bottle of the stuff on the plane with them.
Too Little, Too Late (Score:3)
It's been sold out for weeks.
Re:Too Little, Too Late (Score:4, Informative)
so what, you don't need it. There is soap and water everywhere especially at airports and in planes. You're going to get the disease by breathing, not from your fingers.
The air is still too dry for soap (DP 261K ) (Score:2)
Soap and water dries out my skin too much.
The (non-alcohol based) hand sanitizer we use at work is mot quite as bad..
Its not just the hands that are affected, also the wrists just beyond the edge of the gloves.
At home I use R&R Hand Sanitizer Alcohol-Free Re-Moisturizing Cream Using BZK
(of course its Currently unavailable. but I was able to get a 32 oz bottle Delivered Feb 29, 2020
Hopefully it will get warmer(more humid) soon - At the moment the dewpoint is only 261 kelvins
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The (non-alcohol based) hand sanitizer we use at work is not quite as bad..
... but useless for viruses.
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Soap or vinegar works just fine, and there are surely dozens of other simple "sanitizers" that work equally as well.
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Soap or vinegar works just fine, and there are surely dozens of other simple "sanitizers" that work equally as well.
Soap? Sure, that (along with running water) is recommended by the CDC.
But vinegar? I've seen no published evidence that it's effective against COVID
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But vinegar? I've seen no published evidence that it's effective against COVID
And why would you need "special evidence" when you have learned in school that vinegar kills bacteria and virus just fine? If at all we would need "special evidence" that it does not work against COVID19, that would be an interesting anomaly.
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Vinegar is better than nothing. It does have some effect on flu, so hopefully useful if you are desperate. 70-80% alcohol is recommended.
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Vinegar is better than nothing. It does have some effect on flu, so hopefully useful if you are desperate. 70-80% alcohol is recommended.
But is it better than water?
At least one study found that "washing" your hands with plain water (without soap) is more effective against flu pathgens than even alcohol based sanitizer.
https://www.minnpost.com/secon... [minnpost.com]
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But is it better than water?
In that study, the water only wins because of quantity. Running vodka or vinegar on tap would be better :-)
Alcohol sanitiser is only recommended when running water is not available, and soap definitely helps. Soap is easy to carry, so the question in the study is not of practical use.
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But vinegar? I've seen no published evidence that it's effective against COVID
And why would you need "special evidence" when you have learned in school that vinegar kills bacteria and virus just fine? If at all we would need "special evidence" that it does not work against COVID19, that would be an interesting anomaly.
I didn't learn that in scool. What school is teaching that? Some microorganisms are resistant even to commercial disinfectants, why would anyone think that vinegar is effective against them all?
To that end, the study's results also showed that "only" the commercial disinfectants, not the vinegar, were effective against viral pathogens. ...
"[Vinegar] does have acid in it and it has the capacity to damage bacteria and viruses, but it's not something I would recommend using to prevent the spread of coronavirus," confirms infectious disease expert Amesh A. Adalja, M.D., senior scholar at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security.
https://www.shape.com/lifestyl... [shape.com] (the actual study is linked to from the article)
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You learn it in biology class, no idea when that starts in your country, in my country it was grade 5. But I think now it is grade 3 already. ....
Actually I guess I learned I learned it from my mother
Some microorganisms are resistant even to commercial disinfectants, ....
Nope. How should that work? A living thing is suddenly "resistant" to a chemical that simply dismantles it, ah ha
why would anyone think that vinegar is effective against them all?
Because the basic principles of biology are the same.
Acid -
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Some microorganisms are resistant even to commercial disinfectants, ....
Nope. How should that work? A living thing is suddenly "resistant" to a chemical that simply dismantles it, ah ha
C. diff is one of the most well know pathogens that are very hard to kill with chemical disinfectants (as well as antibiotics):
https://www.medicalnewstoday.c... [medicalnewstoday.com]
"We found no disinfectant was able to completely eliminate C. diff embedded within biofilms, although we did note differences among disinfectants,” reports Prof. Garey."
But there are other classes of bacteria and viruses that are difficult to kill:
https://www.infectioncontrolto... [infectionc...ltoday.com]
non-alcohol based) hand sanitizer (Score:2)
>.. but useless for viruses
I don't know about that. I know we are not supposed to use hand sanitizer if a resident has C-Diff but we haven't has that problem for a while.
The only outbreak we have had recently was Influenza A but that is over now. They didn't tell us to stop using hand sanitizer during that.
I haven't heard about any cases of Covid19 in this area (Ottertail County) but who knows with the lack of testing..
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You're going to get the disease by breathing, not from your fingers.
Except that COVID-19 is not airborn, so no you're not getting it by breathing. You're getting it by being sneezed on, coughed on, but most likely from your fingers.
Re:Too Little, Too Late (Score:4, Insightful)
thegarbz: "Except that COVID-19 is not airborn"
Also thegarbz: "You're getting it by being sneezed on, coughed on"
Seriously, do you ever read the shit you write?
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It comments like this that make me wish I had mod points.
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You mean like this? [youtube.com]
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hahaha, where do you live and shop that soap ran out? You can wash your hands with dish soap you know. Or have evil big corp Amazon plop a case of it on your porch tomorrow. There is soap to be had, there is so much they're selling it.
Re: Too Little, Too Late (Score:2)
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what third world shithole do you live in that doesn't have soap and running water everywhere?
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Re:Too Little, Too Late (Score:5, Informative)
Soap is a better disinfectant than hand sanitizer. (It does a better job of disrupting the lipids in the virus shell.
Save your money and just get a bar of soap.
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Soap only does this when mixed with water. Plus, unlike alchohol, which evaporates, soap sticks to things unless rinsed off. All of this ends up being pretty dumb, because you are advocating that instead of a tiny hand wipe or little bottle, that instead I bring with me soap, water, a sink, and plumbing.
Note that no one recommending you buy (or make, because at the time of this writing you cannot buy) hand sanitizer is recommending this instead of hand washing. These things have ALWAYS been something to
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Most airports, hotels, public buildings, etc. (just about anywhere you go... even out in the woods) have bathrooms with water so you don't need to bring along a sink, water and plumbing. (I don't really know why I had to point this out but you seem to be obtuse.)
Stupid to carry 12 ounces of hand sanitizer.
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When you go through security at an airport, you are usually 5 minutes away from a bathroom (once you are THROUGH it- much longer whilst standing in it).
When you are on an airplane, there's nowhere near enough bathrooms, and plenty of the time you aren't supposed to go there to wash your hands.
You will sometimes want to clean your hands after going through some door in a public building...
Hand Sanitzers plus soaps allow for more cleaning than soaps alone!
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Soap is quite enough for this one.
You can make your own. (Score:3)
Thorouhly mix 1/3 cup aloe vera jell and 2/3 cup 91% isopropyl rubbing alcohol. (Add perhaps 10 drops of a skin-friendly essential oil if you want it scented.)
You want it at least 60% alcohol, and this is 60.6% so measure carefully or boost the alcohol a bit. (You can use slightly lower proof alcohol, but you have to cut the aloe vera down until it's thin, so not recommended.)
You can also use strong vodka or other extreme proof unscented unflavored booze. Remember that 200 proof = 100% alcohol, so adjust
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Are molecular sieves, as used in this NileRed video [youtube.com] toxic?
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Indeed. [yahoo.com]
Per the CDC, hand sanitizer needs to contain at least 60% alcohol.
... You've obviously never spent any time in Finland, where we have real Vodka, not the watered down pussy stuff you Americans drink.
https://www.berevita.com/en/ko... [berevita.com]
Indeed
Re:Too Little, Too Late (Score:5, Funny)
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IN A PINCH, clean 40% alcohol is better than 0% alcohol, and you may or may not even have clean water. Maybe let it soak a little longer. Heh.
Are you sure 40% concentration alcohol is more effecive than plain water?
Some products marketed to the public as antimicrobial hand sanitizers are not effective in reducing bacterial counts on hands. In the course of a classroom demonstration of the comparative efficacy of hospital-grade antimicrobial soap and alcohol-based sanitizers, a product with 40% ethanol as the active ingredient was purchased at a retail discount store. Despite a label claim of reducing "germs and harmful bacteria" by 99.9%, we observed an apparent increase in the concentration of bacteria in handprints impressed on agar plates after cleansing. None of the other hand cleaners showed such an effect.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/p... [nih.gov]
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Mod parent down! This is a flagrant lie, and it will not work. This may or may not be a stretch, but you could be costing someone THEIR LIFE if they are immunodeficient already.
You can get 98% pure Isopropyl Alcohol at any hardware store. If that's less potent for disinfection that hand sanitiser which normally also contains Isopropyl Alcohol, please explain to us what's so special about the Isopropyl Alcohol in hand sanitiser. Between concentrations of 60% and 90%, Isopropyl alcohol is a very effective agent against microbial bacteria, fungi, and viruses. It's literally the same stuff as in most hand sanitiser. The optimal ratio is something like 70% alcohol 30% water
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Uh...it’s all sold out everywhere too.
Re: Too Little, Too Late (Score:2)
E85 is 85% alcohol or regular gasoline would likely also work but you would likely want to wash your hands afterwards in which case just use soap and water. A single bar of soap will likely last longer than this epidemic
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E85 is 85% alcohol or regular gasoline would likely also work but you would likely want to wash your hands afterwards in which case just use soap and water. A single bar of soap will likely last longer than this epidemic
I've never seen gasoline recommended as a sanitizer, is there any reason to think that it can act as a sanitizer?
Gasoline labeled as "E85" doesn't necessarily have 85% ethanol, at least not in the USA:
In the United States, the exact ratio of fuel ethanol to hydrocarbon may vary according to ASTM 5798 that specifies the allowable ethanol content in E85 as ranging from 51% to 83%.[1] This is due to the lower heating value of neat ethanol making it difficult to crank engines in relatively cold climates without pre-heating air intake, faster cranking, or mixing varying fractions of gasoline according to climate. Cold cranking in cold climates is the primary reason ethanol fuel is blended with any gasoline fraction.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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I rub my hands with 151-proof rum. And apropos of nothing... everyone in my vicinity seems pretty happy.
Re: Too Little, Too Late (Score:2)
Good. Maybe we can drop ship them some more.
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70% alcohol and 30 percent something like aloe to rehydrate your hands (since alcohol is hard on your skin) is basically what they sell everywhere when it is available. Normal 40% vodka is probably better than nothing but not ideal. Overproof stuff is what you need. 140 proof vodka or better should be perfectly effective. I know from experience it really makes your lips chapped when you spit it into the campfire so the aloe part is not just filler.
CDC shows how you can use bleach as well. It will be ev
Why are the airports still open? (Score:3)
Some people still need to fly (Score:2)
Every company I know of has cancelled all non-essential travel. Some travel *is* essential. Some people are currently not at home, and need to get home. My co-worker had to fly across the country for surgery he could not put off. Yes the risk of getting COVID-19 was less than the risk of not getting this surgery. I knew a guy who would travel constantly, calibrating automated water quality test equipment for purification plants. He was one of three people covering the entire midwest who could maintain this
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I get that some NEED to fly, but most of the big planes should be grounded by now. Only essential flights a few times a day or something like that. And I am not saying to ground small aircraft, which is all that would really be necessary for essential flights.
So what flights are essential? How would you know? It's not like there is a registry of people who are "essential" to maintaining the economy or essential services. Like the water treatment guy - how would anyone know how important his job is by title alone? What about people who travel around and fix giant food harvesters?
Let people know the risks of air travel and let them evaluate on their own if they need to fly or not. The situation is too complex for a top-down solution.
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I get that some NEED to fly, but most of the big planes should be grounded by now. Only essential flights a few times a day or something like that. And I am not saying to ground small aircraft, which is all that would really be necessary for essential flights.
It's hard to guarantee that a few essential flights will be running if you ground most of the planes -- the whole system is interconnected and the plane you need for an "essential flight" in Chicago may have been grounded in San Francisco. Airlines may need to revamp their entire schedule to both ground significant number of planes and keep "essential routes" open -- and it's not even clear who would determine what an "essential route" is.
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Then have these people fly, but only these. And make sure they are regularly tested. That would be a smart response. But no, business as usual until the catastrophe is in full swing.
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Because politics is reactive not proactive. Look at other problems and you see them always only reacting, often with very long delays. On the other hand, a germ with pandemic potential spreads exponentially in the critical ramp-up phase and hence requires a proactive response to contain it, i.e. you need to anticipate something! Politicians are unable to do that. The best they can do is seeing it happening to somebody else and being reactive one-removed. Of course, then they will react to to the wrong situa
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Yes. That's how it must be in anything that functions remotely like a democracy. The aren't "leading the country". Regardless of whether it is proven down the track to be the right or wrong thing, if the populace doesn't like their actions when election rolls around they are gone. Instead they are just trying predict how the voters will gauge their actions at the next election. This is by definition reactive - they are reacting to what the voters want. That i
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Re: Why are the airports still open? (Score:2)
Declare it? (Score:3)
Do you have to declare it as extremely valuable like $10,000 in cash or gold?
Re:Declare it? (Score:5, Funny)
Do you have to declare it as extremely valuable like $10,000 in cash or gold?
Nah, that's only toilet paper.
DOOMED! (Score:2)
We're all DOOMED now! I'm not setting foot near an airport now. Those extra 10oz of liquid allowed on planes means that, not only are you going to die from COVID-19 by getting on a plane, but now the plane is going to blow up.
Just think about how many explosives you can hide in that extra 10oz of liquid if they allow it past the security circus clowns!
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Two quote an old SNL skit on the TSA: "What if two people brought hand sanitizer onto an airplane...."
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Just think about how many explosives you can hide in that extra 10oz of liquid if they allow it past the security circus clowns! ...
Explosives show up on the scanners
Free market (Score:2)
Passengers are likely to see hand sanitizer stations everywhere at airports reflecting this new reality, so no worries for those who don't feel like lugging a huge bottle of the stuff on the plane with them.
Sooo, plane tickets are selling for under the price of a 12oz bottle of hand sanitizer on eBay and yet you can bring large empty containers through security and there will be dispensing stations everywhere you say? Sounds like an entrepreneur could get paid to travel these days.
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It's not a free market. You can actually go to prison for price-gouging certain things during a crisis.
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I'm not going to do your homework for you if you're too damned lazy to use Google. I don't know what state you live in, so I'll just give you this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
Damn (Score:2)
When are they gonna allow more than 3oz of KY?
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They confiscate all the lube so you can't use it when they pull you aside for enhanced screening.
Who has 12 oz of hand sanitizer? (Score:2)
Luxury.
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Re: Who has 12 oz of hand sanitizer? (Score:2)
Security theater (Score:5, Insightful)
If the TSA letting you take soda can full of fluid that is more-easily ignited than gasoline onto a plane isn't a sign of security theater, I don't know what is.
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Obligatory example of above madness [youtu.be]
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Anybody somewhat smart has known for a long, long time that the whole thing is just a worthless and inconvenient show. But some people make tons of money from it and for a lot it provides a job.
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Who needs hand sanitizer when anyone with a phone or laptop has an incendiary device with them? Purposefully snap phone in half, throw in lavatory sink, wait for the fireworks.
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There was a clearer example a few years ago, when a teenager was able to get over the fence at SJC.
No one is trying to blow up planes. The TSA is just an exercise in violating the 4th amendment.
But how much TP (Score:2)
I hope at least a couple of cases
Units!? (Score:2, Troll)
Oh good grief (Score:2)
How much hand sanitizer do people need?!
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Well, in an 6h flight in an air plane you can use it once after you are seated, and once every time you leave the toilet ... so 2 or 3 times ?
Viruses have a fatty "skin" (Score:5, Informative)
Viruses are made up of RNA, proteins, and fatty molecules that clump together to form a skin around them. Alcohol, that you find in hand sanitisers, might be able to dissolve the fatty skin if it's sufficiently concentrated, i.e. acting like paint thinner, which is at least 60% alcohol. Many contain ~75%. However, this isn't particularly effective at killing viruses but better than water or nothing.
You know what's really good at destroying a virus' fatty skin & thereby killing it? Soap or detergent. It's as if it were made for the job. Like all the public information announcements in countries around the world are saying, vigorously wash your hands in soap & warm water for at least 20 seconds (the warmth helps to liquefy the grease & oils from your skin, which the virus may be stuck in, thereby allowing the soap & water to work better). The healthcare professionals know what they're talking about. Use soap & warm water vigorously for at least 20 seconds.
Use. Soap. &. Warm. Water. Vigorously. For. At. Least. 20. Seconds.
Oh, and try not to touch your face.
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Try not to touch your face. [youtube.com]
Novel idea.... (Score:2)
I've got a novel idea... Just sell hand sanitizer at normal retail costs inside the sterile area. Stop the price gouging.
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You would prefer to save lives to making a dime? What are you, a commie?
Use disposable gloves. (Score:3)
Nitrile work gloves are comfortable and unlike your toxin-absorbent nasty hands are cheap and disposable. I keep boxes around home and shop. They're disposably cheap (pun of course intended) and won't go to waste if you're at all handy.
Ever wonder why the military wear rubber gloves in BW scenarios? It's because they work. Most of the vets here have at least several hundred hours working in chem gear gloves during exercises. It's not difficult.
Gloves also permit cleaning the glove while you're wearing it which allows much stronger cleaning solutions. For example I was cleaning some motorbike parts in 100% acetone today. Try that with bare hands. BTW surgical gloves are considerably more delicate. I wear 7mil nitriles for mechanic work, solvent use, paint stripper application and more.
Hand sanitizer is for dirty hands. Why contaminate your hands in the first place? You can use sanitizer on the outside of your gloves to reduce viral load but you'll have zero viral load on the skin of your hands.
So what? (Score:2)
You probably also can take a few ounces of xenon trioxide with you. Powerful explosive, decomposes sponaneous around 25C.
You're about as likely to have it.
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Well played sir!
Wow (Score:2)
"You Can Now Take Up To 12 Ounces of Hand Sanitizer Through Airport Security"
What a time to be alive....oh, wait.
People worried about SARS2 still fly ? (Score:2)
Up it to 750ml (Score:2)
Can you still buy hand sanitizer in the USA? (Score:2)
It's disappear off the shelves here in Australia.
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"Retarded" restrictions?! Are you INSANE?!
Just think about what kind of damage you could do with just a single extra ounce of liquid.
Look at this reference image below, and consider the size of the average rabbit. The contents of the Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator can't possibly be more than 10oz, and that can destroy an entire planet.
https://marvin-martian.weebly.... [weebly.com]
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The Maid of the Seas (a 747) was blown up with about 50g of explosives. The whole thing is security theater and a lot of people are profiting from it. The amounts allowed are way too large to be save if this was really about being save. Also, Laptop batteries? You know, with sealed stainless steel containers inside that the x-ray machines cannot actually look into? The whole thing is a scam.
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with about 50g of explosives.
Uh...nope. Nowhere near that.
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It would be enough if you place it close to the cabin hull. Probably 5g would be enough.
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The Maid of the Seas (a 747) was blown up with about 50g of explosives. The whole thing is security theater and a lot of people are profiting from it. The amounts allowed are way too large to be save if this was really about being save. Also, Laptop batteries? You know, with sealed stainless steel containers inside that the x-ray machines cannot actually look into? The whole thing is a scam.
Not 50g:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
An analysis by the Federal Bureau of Investigation and DERA forensic teams of the fine carbon deposits on AVE4041 and AVN7511 indicated that a chemical explosion had occurred; that a 12-ounce (340 g) to 16-ounce (450 g) charge of plastic explosive had been used; and that the device had exploded 8 inches (200 mm) from the left side of the container.
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Lighters are permitted
Never understood this one. You can't smoke on an airplane. You can't smoke in an airport. Just buy a cheap Bic when you get into town.
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Have you seen how flammable hand sanitizer is? It makes a great fire starter.
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Yes, retarded. Because there's basically no way to stop a determined suicide attacker (think non-metallic explosives within their body...), and all the rest is theater. Billions of dollars spent,mountains of civil liberties thrown out the window, and they've "stopped", what, three idiot attacks that probably wouldn't have worked anyway?
The only really effective step was taken immediately after 9-11, long before the politicians got involved: they installed deadbolts on the cabin so attackers couldn't take
Aida D Fariscal -- unsung hero saved 1000+ lives (Score:2)
https://www.richardpennington.... [richardpennington.com] ... Fariscal spent seventeen years as a homemaker before enrolling in the police department in 1977. The widow of a slain police officer, she rose through the ranks of the Manila Po
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
"Aida D. Fariscal (born 1940?) is a former police officer and watch commander in the Manila Police Department in the Philippines. She is now a retired grandmother living on pension in a one bedroom apartment. Her name is largely unknown outside of the Philippines.
Re: No more flying for me! (Score:2)
It burns fairly slowly and not very hot. If you try to roast marshmallows over it, the process is slow. It's a perfect controlled flame for straightening bamboo (for atlatl darts in my case): put a dollop on a depression in some wadded up aluminum foil on top of a fireproof surface.
The FAA says "It tends to burn relatively coolly, with peak flame temperatures between 500Â and 1000ÂF, compared to fuel, plastic, or cellulose fires."
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It's a perfect controlled flame for straightening bamboo (for atlatl darts in my case)
Oh, I will try that. In my case for Japanese arrows, 'ya'.
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Perhaps hand sanitizer can't be used to build a bomb. As long as there's a quick way to determine that the liquid is just hand sanitizer, and not a useful precursor, we should be ok.
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TSA Agents do not know the difference between fluid ounces and weight ounces.
Hell, most of the ones I've seen couldn't tell their ass from a hotdog bun with a picture for reference.