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Trump Declares National Emergency To Speed Coronavirus Response (bloomberg.com) 533

President Trump declared a national emergency on Friday afternoon, a move that would give him authority to use $40 billion allocated by Congress for disaster relief to address the coronavirus crisis. From a report: Cases in the U.S. have climbed past 1,700, even with sporadic and spare testing, and the death toll has risen to 41. Mr. Trump, according to a senior administration official, is expected to invoke the Stafford Act, a law that empowers the Federal Emergency Management Agency to coordinate disaster response and aid state and local governments. The president had indicated in recent days that he had been briefed on the law and could use it to address the pandemic, and Democratic lawmakers like Senator Chuck Schumer of New York, the minority leader, have been pressing him to invoke it. "We have very strong emergency powers under the Stafford Act," Mr. Trump told reporters in the Oval Office on Thursday. "I have it memorized, practically, as to the powers in that act. And if I need to do something, I'll do it. I have the right to do a lot of things that people don't even know about." Mr. Trump further said that he is waiving off the interest on student loan debt until further notice.
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  • by cusco ( 717999 ) <brian@bixby.gmail@com> on Friday March 13, 2020 @10:37AM (#59826254)

    This is an interesting reaction for someone who's been claiming that it's all a conspiracy by the "liberal media" to make him look bad.

    • by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 13, 2020 @10:45AM (#59826284)

      This is the number one problem in the United States. You guys are always polarized about everything because you only have two political parties, you tend to see everything as being black/white, with us/against us. There's never a middle ground, because from your point of view that would mean giving up and making compromises to the other side.

      All the other countries on the planet can't help but shake their head in disappointment when looking at any news that comes out of the USA. So many great people, so much wasted potential because of your political bullshit.

      • by cusco ( 717999 ) <brian@bixby.gmail@com> on Friday March 13, 2020 @10:51AM (#59826300)

        Many of us who live here feel the same.

      • by Zak3056 ( 69287 )

        This is the number one problem in the United States. You guys are always polarized about everything because you only have two political parties, you tend to see everything as being black/white

        You might want to take a look at one of those color blindness tests, because that's some serious black and white thinking you've got going on there yourself.

    • [sarcasm] No, he was 100% right a few weeks ago when he said this was all a hoax. He was all correct when he was telling everyone not to listen to health officials but him. He has the best knowledge, the best. He is correct now when he deems it a crisis. Remember, we have always been at war with East Asia.[/sarcasm]
  • Sure, OK (Score:5, Interesting)

    by timeOday ( 582209 ) on Friday March 13, 2020 @10:43AM (#59826278)
    If we can't even do basic things like administer tests, and instead do silly things, like a 1-way travel restriction from Europe, then exercising emergency powers is likely to do more harm than good.
    • If we can't even do basic things like administer tests, and instead do silly things, like a 1-way travel restriction from Europe, then exercising emergency powers is likely to do more harm than good.

      I'm curious.. How do you think having a widely available test is going to help?

      The facts here are that the virus is not something we can prevent or treat. It's spreading widely, testing would not prevent this. There is no specific treatment for this virus, so knowing what it is doesn't help. The treatment is exactly the same as the Flu.. Stay home, isolate yourself, and wait for it to run it's course, if it gets really bad or morphs into a serious lung infection where it's impacting your PulseOx numbers

      • Re:Sure, OK (Score:4, Informative)

        by gmack ( 197796 ) <<gmack> <at> <innerfire.net>> on Friday March 13, 2020 @12:24PM (#59826732) Homepage Journal

        If we can't even do basic things like administer tests, and instead do silly things, like a 1-way travel restriction from Europe, then exercising emergency powers is likely to do more harm than good.

        I'm curious.. How do you think having a widely available test is going to help?

        The facts here are that the virus is not something we can prevent or treat. It's spreading widely, testing would not prevent this. There is no specific treatment for this virus, so knowing what it is doesn't help. The treatment is exactly the same as the Flu.. Stay home, isolate yourself, and wait for it to run it's course, if it gets really bad or morphs into a serious lung infection where it's impacting your PulseOx numbers too much, call you doctor.

        Testing doesn't help any of this and at this point why are we all hyped up over it? Sure, it's nice to know what ails you sometimes for emotional reasons, but nothing really changes if you know it's the flu, COVID-19 or a bad cold.

        Seriously? You can slow the spread by isolating the infected from the rest of the population by catching the virus before it the patient shows symptoms. Worst case, you can slow it enough to avoid it peaking and overwhelming available medical care. Best case, you stop the spread entirely. Check out South Korea for an example of how this can be done well.

        Also has the advantage that if someone does get really bad the person is already where the medical care is available.

      • by mark-t ( 151149 )

        I'm curious.. How do you think having a widely available test is going to help?

        With a wider availability of tests, more people who are infected can become aware that they have it sooner than they otherwise would, and can self-isolate from that point, reducing its chance of spreading.

  • Alright... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by RyanFenton ( 230700 ) on Friday March 13, 2020 @10:47AM (#59826296)

    Yesterday there was like $1.5 trillion dollars pumped into the stock market that did cause a spike in the middle of the day. Didn't help terribly much.

    $42 billion in distributed response is lovely - but without a top level strategy that is based on science and reason - it's just another drop int he bucket of the scope of this series of events.

    The overall game of this: There's currently limited ability for our healthcare to respond to this. It's a classic triage scenario - too many people get sick too quickly at once, and many of them will die from a lack of available trained medical response.

    That's what the isolation response is about - and that does mean a rather large concerted action that essentially shuts down much of the economy except select supply chain stuff.

    The act to minimize this from a marketing perspective, instead of calling for Americans to come together for shared response is a crucial miscalculation.

    With a fully coordinated response, you'd shut things down, stretch out the infection process, care for people in waves - and minimize the isolation time to a month. You also minimize the chance of the mutations this virus is capable of from repeating a 1918 scenario.

    With a random and marketing-focused response, you have to restart the isolation process over between regions over and over - you never build up a proper national response, you allow the medical sector to be overwhelmed, and you stretch the process out into years instead of just a solid month or two of overabundant caution.

    Look to Italy, China and Iran if you want to see how these scenarios pan out in these initial stages. Either way, they are some form of us in a week or so.

    Ryan Fenton

    • Re:Alright... (Score:4, Insightful)

      by Gilgaron ( 575091 ) on Friday March 13, 2020 @10:59AM (#59826336)
      Yes the President's singular focus on the impact to the stock market remains dumbfounding. Why would I want a payroll tax cut instead of a coordinated FEMA response? I can work from home, many of the people that can't do so will be doing without payroll entirely.
    • Re:Alright... (Score:4, Insightful)

      by aitikin ( 909209 ) on Friday March 13, 2020 @11:04AM (#59826362)

      Look to Italy, China and Iran if you want to see how these scenarios pan out in these initial stages. Either way, they are some form of us in a week or so.

      And look at South Korea for how this should have been handled. Unfortunately the US doesn't have the testing capabilities that SK has built up over the course of the past roughly 5 years. It's interesting how the US is using tactics similar to Italy (shuttering public gatherings, closing schools, isolating, etc) while SK has done none of these and managed to stop the spread all because they test about as many patients in a single day as the US has in the entirety of this outbreak.

    • to keep profits high. We also haven't been keeping our schools funded and staffed meaning there's not enough capacity to train people. The result is a healthcare system with exactly enough capacity to handle existing demand.

      That's great for short term profits, not so much for health and well being.
    • Re:Alright... (Score:5, Informative)

      by molnarcs ( 675885 ) <csabamolnarNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Friday March 13, 2020 @11:14AM (#59826436) Homepage Journal

      Look to Italy, China and Iran if you want to see how these scenarios pan out in these initial stages. Either way, they are some form of us in a week or so.

      Ryan Fenton

      Unfortunately, that's probably accurate. Some more context:

      After the Ebola crisis in 2014, president Obama created something called the Directorate for Global Health Security and Biodefense. This was basically responsible for pandemic preparedness. In 2018 Trump got rid of it. Fired the guy who ran it, fired the whole team, never replaced them. He got rid of the whole Global Health Security Unit at the National Council, at Homeland Security and even at the Pentagon.

      Then just recently, Trump blamed Obama for the unpreparedness of CDC and the whole country.This is how deranged he is.

      As it stands now, the USA has been sitting on its ass for months, with zero preparation. There has been 10000 and some change tests done so far in TOTAL, while South Korea can do the same amount in ONE DAY. The virus has been doing its rounds in the country for weeks now, and once widespread testing starts, the number of infections will skyrocket.

  • Declaring a national emergency is the right thing to do, so that states can start preparing an increase in care facilities.

    But fundamentally, the U.S. population has already taken a lot of steps to help. Most people are staying away from work or travel, most large events cancelled.

    It's still early days but it seems like the U.S. is on track to fare better than Italy or Germany, because they are taking the problem more seriously here at an earlier stage.

    The thing to really watch in coming weeks is, how does

    • Coronavirus and Influenza are very different things. Even if it shows seasonal sensitivity, there will be a high risk of a fall rebound.
  • Only took 3 months (Score:5, Insightful)

    by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Friday March 13, 2020 @11:10AM (#59826400)
    there was an NPR article that mentioned he's been aware of this since since January and held off because he was hoping it would blow over and he thought if he responded it would hurt his re-election chances.

    Point being his re-election is more important that people's lives. I seem to remember a quote from Alan Dershowitz where he said anything Trump did in pursuit of wining the election was OK because Trump benefits America and ergo his re-election is for the benefit of America, or something.
    • there was an NPR article that mentioned he's been aware of this since since January and held off because he was hoping it would blow over

      Gee, I'm sure NPR would never lie about Trump...

      Trump already took this seriously months ago when he banned travel from China. Just what would YOU have done that Trump didn't do? Shut down everything earlier before we knew the spread was worse, and wreck the U.S. economy on the basis of nothing?

      Point being his re-election is more important that people's lives

      That's not

  • that happens when the biggest conman in US history becomes wanna be fake president, ... good luck, stay save. Maybe vote for better health insurance, ...
    • From the American Conservative [theamerica...vative.com]:

      Watching him, I realized the cost of a president having pissed away his authority these past three years, with his daily juvenile tweets and schoolyard rhetoric. The country needs a president now who can inspire, galvanize, and lead. Tonight I saw a president who looked tired, afraid, and completely unconvincing. He ended by calling for an end to partisanship, and the nation coming together to fight this threat. That’s what any president should do in his position, in a moment of great national crisis. It is difficult to imagine a president with less credibility to make that ask.

  • But, whether it’s Trump doing it today or Governor Inslee doing it a short while ago, it’s largely just a mechanism to speed government procurement and distribution by suspending certain rules - such as competitive bidding requirements.

    That’s a necessary and important thing when dealing with a crisis, but I have to wonder if psychologically it would be better to use a different term.

  • Thoughts (Score:4, Insightful)

    by nehumanuscrede ( 624750 ) on Friday March 13, 2020 @11:41AM (#59826532)

    I'm just gonna go out on a limb here and say:

    Perhaps the Government response is somewhat muted because, as people have already demonstrated, if you let the truth reach the wrong ears, the whole place will devolve into mass chaos.

    Go to any grocery store near you to see the mere hints of this in action.
    Or take a look at the stock market.

    If he jumps the gun and declares an emergency too early, he catches shit for " causing a panic ".
    If he waits and declares the emergency too late, he catches shit for " not doing enough ".
    Now imagine wtf is going to happen if they decide to put Martial Law into place. The panic we see today will pale in comparison to the stupidity that will be.

    Hell, had we simply closed off the borders to all incoming traffic when this thing got started, we would get called racists.
    ( Because, apparently, it's racist to take precautions about letting an already known infected region openly travel to your country :| )

    It really wouldn't matter who was President as the above rules still apply.

    It's kind of like programming.

    When you are forced to factor in the Idiot Variable, things get complicated in a hurry.
    The bigger the group of idiots, the more complex it becomes.

    • Re:Thoughts (Score:4, Insightful)

      by jeff4747 ( 256583 ) on Friday March 13, 2020 @01:55PM (#59827134)

      That response comes from the incompetence shown.

      For example, there was no similar panic over SARS, MERS or Ebola. Because the people running the show had demonstrated competence, and deferred to professionals to plan the response.

      And then there's the Trump administration. Who fired the NSC officials who plan for pandemics and proposed cutting CDC pandemic response funding in every budget. Who've also got a history of firing or muzzling those professionals for political reasons (google Sharpie hurricane map). And also choosing to harm people so that "the numbers" look better.

      That's gonna cause a panic, because people will not believe the administration is capable of handling the situation. And the administration has done nothing but help amplify that in the past two weeks.

  • by Tangential ( 266113 ) on Friday March 13, 2020 @11:45AM (#59826558) Homepage
    This is crazy. Less than 40 people have died from Covid-19. That's roughly 40% of the number of people killed in the US yesterday [wikipedia.org]in traffic accidents. If you are old or infirm then yes, this is dangerous but 1000s of people are cruising through it feeling bad for a few days. No one knows the true number of people infected, but its clearly higher than the number identified which means the mortality of this virus is, in reality much lower. We lost 30,000 people to the flu last year in the US [health.com]and no one went crazy. Hell, for all we know, it may turn out that the common cold is more deadly than this when we have real numbers.

    What's really going on here is that media is force feeding this event into a shit storm of profits for themselves. They needed something (at least in the US) to make up for the post impeachment viewer decline and this is tailor made for it.

    The only good that will come from this is that working remotely has gotten a shot in the arm.
    • by godrik ( 1287354 ) on Friday March 13, 2020 @12:30PM (#59826780)

      I don't understand people like you that are saying we did not went crazy about the flu and traffic casualties. We have virtually engineered our society around these problems.

      To fight the flu, we have a flu vaccination industry that is worth about $4B annually. We have paid sick leave to make sure people stay home when sick. We have developed bathroom protocols that enable us to wash our hand without having to turn a faucet on and ways to exit the bathrooms without having to touch the door.

      To fight traffic casualties, we have revamped our car manufacturing processes to make them safer in cases of collisions, we have traffic regulations and cops to enforce them, we have created an industry to teach people how to drive. We have transformed our landscape to minimize congestion and the number of flow cross points.

      We are doing LOTS of things to fight the flu and traffic casualties.

      Coronavirus is running exponentially in the world. Look at all countries, the spread rate is approximately "double every three days". We could be looking at 100,000s of infected by the end of March and millions by the middle of April.

      For the flu, we have developed herd immunity. But we don't have it for this strain of coronavirus. If we let this strain of coronavirus run unchecked, we may be looking at half the US population infected. That's probably in the tens of millions of death. If you think that is an unlikely scenario, the number of death is grew in Italy by about 20% in the last 24 hours. And Iran is digging mass graves that can be seen from space.

      We may be overreacting and hindsight is 20/20. But so far, I would say we, in the US, have not done enough.

    • by jeff4747 ( 256583 ) on Friday March 13, 2020 @01:56PM (#59827136)

      So, you're not familiar with the concept of "exponential growth" then.

  • by Delicious Pun ( 3864033 ) on Friday March 13, 2020 @12:17PM (#59826692)
    If Trump is in the title, summary or article, the comment section here at Slashdot will be a big box of farts.
  • by Computershack ( 1143409 ) on Friday March 13, 2020 @12:40PM (#59826818)
    What is the point when you have tens of millions of Americans who can't even afford to get a test to see if they have it let alone be able to afford to get treatment or take time off work, something which people in every other first world economy have no problem with due to universal free healthcare and social security which gives them money if they're unable to work and don't get employers sick pay?
  • by EzInKy ( 115248 ) on Friday March 13, 2020 @02:41PM (#59827288)

    We really should be testing everyone, that is only way to gather adequate data. Thankfully we have the ACA to ensure everyone is has the coverage to pay for the cost. Remember years ago when millions were uninsured?

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