A Diet Based on Caloric Restriction Might Make You Live Longer. It'll Certainly Feel Like Longer. (technologyreview.com) 168
A diet based on caloric restriction might make you live longer. It'll certainly feel like longer. Called Prolon, it's a five-day, $250 meal kit which arrives in a white cardboard container a little bigger than a shoebox. It involves eating about 800 calories each day. The idea is that temporarily shifts your body into a starvation state, prompting your cells to consume years of accumulated cellular garbage before unleashing a surge of restorative regeneration. The idea that starving yourself while still taking in crucial nutrients will let you live longer is not new. The practice, called caloric restriction, is the only proven way to extend life in a wide variety of creatures. There are currently trials underway to see if the diet might help protect human patients from the ravages of chemotherapy, too. However, experiments have found that doing it for extended periods is a problem, and probably not practical for most people. Research on the "fast-mimicking diet" is still limited, but the Prolon diet has been sold in 15 countries and tried by more than 150,000 people. Read how Adam Piore got on when he tried it out.
$250 for five days... (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:I’ve heard that it tastes TERRIBLE... (Score:5, Interesting)
Your counter hypothesis is what, exactly? That in five days you can reprogram human metabolism to maintain a constant body mass set-point, independently of any and all manner of excess future caloric consumption, until death does it part? Otherwise this whole venture is a giant farce?
Wow, what a stiff bet. You must be positively quaking in your boots after swinging from such an outrageous vine.
University of Toronto nephrologist Jason Fung lays out chapter and verse on the present understanding of fasting-related metabolic management in his 2016 book The Complete Guide to Fasting (as well as his slightly geekier The Obesity Code from 2015).
You can fast at low risk up to two weeks with almost no nutritive intake (if on medication, or having known systemic problems, or fasting longer than two weeks, definitely consult your physician).
Many people choose to consume a tiny amount of bone broth. This provides all the minerals you need, and doesn't cost $250.
The key is to flip yourself into ketogenic metabolism and stay there. This process is usually complete by the end of the second day, which is almost always the worst day of the entire fast. People tend to be alert and productive once adapted to ketogenic metabolism. You generally don't crave food very much at all (though people with a pre-existing carbohydrate addiction might want to tame that dragon first, before embarking upon the adult obstacle course).
Weight loss averages 1 lb per day on such a diet. Fung has documented this with hundreds of patients. Of this 1 lb loss, about half is due to water loss associated with the reduction of glycogen stores. All the water loss comes back immediately after the fast concludes.
On a 14-day diet, you should see the loss of about 7 lbs of metabolic tissue, predominantly fat (what protein you lose often comes from fat cells, which no longer need to wear tent-sized cell membranes).
Unlike The Biggest Loser, this diet does not trigger reduction in base metabolism (the body resents and fears, most of all, being stuck halfway in between ketogenic metabolism and dietary metabolism, and takes long-term emergency measures).
Most people do slowly regain much of the 7 lbs, over months or years. A two-week fast once every six months will likely suffice to put your body mass on a downward trajectory to a set-point well below your initial condition. Or you can kick the process of with one to three intense fasts, and then maintain with any manner of micro-fasting (usually day-long periods of greatly reduced intake, or aggressive TRE).
Most of Fung's clients present with diabetes, pre-diabetes, or at least incipient metabolic syndrome. Most of his own evidence pertains to fairly harsh initial interventions, suited to such a client base.
We still lack for longer-term data sets on these interventions as practiced with more moderation by people in fairly good initial health.
What you are paying your $250 to purchase with this particular diet is to overcome your deeply engrained psychological programming that skipping a meal is risky, skipping two meals is dangerous, skipping three meals is a medical emergency, and skipping four meals is grounds for civil war.
Big Food has been hammering the message home since the invention of television that A) any social interaction whatsoever, B) any brief energy-lag, C) any passing fit of boredom must all be treated statim with a salt- or sugar-laden fill-face inoculation.
There is tantalizing fresh evidence that substantial fasting actually improves health, by triggering the up-regulation of the body's self-repair systems. I don't recommend pursuing the literature on this particular aspect. Every mouth-breather on planet earth has staked out this putative Fountain of Youth like a coach-roach on Oxycontin; a great snake-oil moan has the planet in thrall.
Check back in about a decade, after the mouth-breathers pause to unr
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Its the Porsche methodology. Their lighter and faster cars charge you more to remove items like the radio or door handles.
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But paying for meal kits of any kind is moronic, and paying for ones associated with a fad diet doubly so, because they usually are twice as expensive. Don't get processed foods with all manner of nasty additives, do some wholesome home cooking with fresh ingredients, and keep the portions small. Y
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It's not really (Score:3)
Vegetables are almost completely unsubsidized. Yes, they're cheap when they're about to go bad, which is when most people notice them. But you'll throw most of them out. If it's $1 a pound but you toss 2 lbs out of 4 then it's really $2 lb.
Yeah, I know, food coops. Where I am that's a 50 minute drive... one way.
Add apartment livin
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Much harder to cook (Score:2)
Re: $250 for five days... (Score:2)
extended periods, lolz (Score:2, Interesting)
800 kcal a day will kill you, that is below basal metabolism
Over the decades a few infamous people have championed this, I can tell you some are dead and lived less than normal lifespan.... not surprising. How about take a page from those that lived the longest and eat healthily and do exercise (or work actively)? Worked for a lot of my relatives....
since I sit on my butt pushing buttons for a living I do weights and bicycle. I eat real food not processed crap.
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Over the decades a few infamous people have championed this, I can tell you some are dead and lived less than normal lifespan.... not surprising.
That's because the people who bought into the idea eventually got so grumpy due to hunger that they killed them.
Re:extended periods, lolz (Score:4, Insightful)
Hunger, like not-enough-food-in-the-digestive-tract hunger, or hunger as in caloric starvation while otherwise feeling gastrointestinally sated?
There's a pretty big difference between the two, and that distinction is extremely important when it comes to mental health.
Re:extended periods, lolz (Score:5, Insightful)
800 kcal a day will kill you, that is below basal metabolism
If only your body had a store of energy it could tap into to make up the difference.
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My god do you idiots really believe this crap?
No, your body does not hoard fat while burning muscle and organs, it consumes the fat, which is what it is for.
Really people, is it that painful to not stuff yourselves constantly with food?
No one is suggesting 800cal/day constantly, this is done for short periods, and has well documented scientifically measures positive health effects.
But no, you keep stuffing those cheeseburgers down... thats got to be better, right? Wouldnt want to burn up any organs..
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The facts are more complicated, you should read the details of starvation, it is after a few days the body starts breaking down proteins including muscles. An obese person can die of protein depletion while fat still present.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
My Lips! (Score:3)
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The fat? perversely the body tries to hoard that as long as possible when starving.
Holy crap, you do realize what we evolved fat cells FOR right? Turns out our ancestors (and I'm not talking human ancestors here, we're going back the evolutionary tree here) didn't have the luxury of food surpluses all the time, and they went through cycles of plenty vs. fasting correlated with the seasons. So they needed long-term storage of energy. Fatten up when food is plenty, waste away during winter time when food is scarce.
The body isn't saving fat for last. It goes to glycogen first, fat second. Yo
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Depends on what those 800kcals are made of and why you're doing it. If you eat 800kcals of protein, enough to maintain your muscles then you're just going to burn fat for the extra energy and lose weight.
I RTFA so you don't have to (Score:4, Insightful)
The 800 calories are mostly kale chips and fancy olives. The intent is not fat loss, it's protein autophagy, with the claim that your body will start with the mis-folded ones that give you cancer.
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I was talking in general.
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Over the decades a few infamous people have championed this, I can tell you some are dead and lived less than normal lifespan.... not surprising
It's a 5 day program, not decades of lifestyle.
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5 days of whatever will do nothing for an obese person. Do what I said, that will help
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I can't remember which one it was, but I listened to a podcast (Bill Nye maybe?) where they said the science these restriction longevity studies were based off of were mouse trials between calorie restricted mice, and calorie unrestricted mice. Unrestricted as it given as much food as they could cram in their gob. So it was kind of unsurprising that they were dying early, basically becoming fat slob mice.
The Idea is Horse Shit (Score:2, Interesting)
"The idea is that temporarily shifts your body into a starvation state, prompting your cells to consume years of accumulated cellular garbage before unleashing a surge of restorative regeneration."
The idea is horse shit. That's not the way your body works.
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That was the best part. A talk about the findings in restriction experiments might merit discussion, but I'm hearing "product reviewmertisement".
"surge of restorative regeneration" is how you hawk snake oil.
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Well, I don't think it's been proven for primates, but it works with mice and rats.
OTOH, I really doubt that even if it works the same number of calories works for every person. And I also have doubts that we know, even yet, all the necessary nutrients. Or even that they include all known requirements. E.g., if they're shipping a small box, then I really doubt that they include appropriate amounts of fiber, which is known to be preventative of colon cancer. (N.B.: preventative is not "it will keep it f
P.S.: All fiber is not equal. (Score:2)
Different fibers act differently in the intestines, and I don't think anyone knows the whole details, but soluble fibers need to be balanced against insoluble fibers, or you're likely to get tremendous constipation. (At least if the soluble fiber is based on oat bran.)
Don't forget "Hacker's Diet"! (Score:5, Interesting)
...or follow my diet plan (Score:5, Interesting)
It's called "eat less and do more" and costs nothing extra. In fact, I'm saving a bundle on food expenses packing a single peanut butter and butter sandwich for lunch every day.
Do I still get hungry, yes, sure... but I can snack on something relatively healthy and in less quantities. I walk more.
Results? I've lost over 35lbs in 3 months or so, with another 40lbs to go on my ultimate goal. At my age, weight loss is more difficult, and exercise is impractical (running puts too much stress on knees, particularly with 40lbs more weight than I should have).
No fad diets, no running 10 miles a day; just eat smaller portions, cut back on sweets, eliminate sugary sodas.
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15 minutes of exercise on an elliptical trainer each day is a great supplement to being more selective about what you eat. It takes 15 minutes (that part should be self-explanatory), and an elliptical trainer (you can get them on Craigslist for $100, or buy a new cheap one for $250). You can listen to music, watch a video, whatever floats your boat --- I enjoy reading P.G. Wodehouse's books which are entertaining and have the advantage that if you lose your place, or skip a sentence or paragraph, no big de
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Actually, there is more to it than that.
In a study on mice and another study on human pancreatic cells, researchers discover that a scientifically designed fasting diet can trigger the generation of new pancreatic cells to replace dysfunctional ones and stabilize blood glucose.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/02/170223124259.htm [sciencedaily.com]
Fasting mimicking diets have the potential to "reset" some body functions and actually allow your body to cure diseases that otherwise it doesn't get the chance to.
The founder of sponsor on this, Prolon, was a researcher on a similar study. https://l-nutra.com/blogs/l-nutra-news/usc-publishes-results-of-a-fasting-mimicking-diet-that-may-reverse-diabetes [l-nutra.com]
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The core problem we have in the US is a macronutrient imbalance (macronutrients are the three main nutri
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It will be, because you are horribly unfit. Until you get fitter it will be an uphill and unpleasant journey. But start slow, work your way up. A lot of the problem is that people set themselves unrealistic goals. Seriously, start slow. You are going to hurt, you will skip some sessions, don't try to "make them up" because that will just make you hurt more. Just carry on, try not to miss
Yes - And at-work behavior is key (Score:3)
The best part is that you'll save a ton on lunch costs. If you still want to dine with coworkers at lunch for social reasons, do it on one specific day and make it a special thing.
Other keys: 1) Don't eat the office leftover sweets from the office party (they usually aren't that good, anyways). 2) Don't get a 500+ calorie Starbucks coffee. Keep it as black/plain as possible. (Or don't at all.) 3) Get a better job if you're bored all the time. A good job will keep you too busy and focused to eat snacks.
Doing
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I really do think that cutting out sweets and refined carbs is what's doing the trick for me lately (though, being a poor excuse for a scientist, I changed more than one factor at once).
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>"No fad diets, no running 10 miles a day; just eat smaller portions, cut back on sweets, eliminate sugary sodas."
I have been telling people this for many years. You don't need a special diet. You can eat most anything you want and lose or maintain weight.... as long as you are not consuming more calories than you need. And most people eat FAR more calories than needed.
Sure, it makes since to eat BETTER calories, and avoid simple starches and sugars. But in the end, it really is mostly calories in vs
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This, and we all know it.
Eating less and moving more.
with emphasis on eating less.
It's just a matter of implementation.
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It's called "eat less and do more"
You're confusing this with a weight loss diet. Not the same thing.
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Tried It Myself in May (Score:2)
Decaf (Score:3)
Cheaper Sources (Score:2)
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The science is solid. It was research at UCSD and is public. You can find the publications on the UCSD web site and see what is in the diet itself. The groceries for the entire week cost about $30. They are selling it $250 and they are insane. If it was something like $80 to cover the convenience and shipping, I would understand, but a $250?
The marketing droid in the company compare the price of what they offer to a price of a week of meals, and say their's is cheaper, but they are idiots and intentionally
Raven Sable (Score:2)
" He took the form of a thin businessman man with black hair named Raven Sable. He created nouvelle (which consisted of a string bean, a couple of peas and a paper-thin slice of chicken), D-Plan dieting and various foods that contained no actual nutrition whatsoever. "
I feel like Iâ(TM)ve just been spammed (Score:2)
You don't need a product... (Score:3)
In this day and age, all the information you need is out there. Stop looking for magic - look to science.
We didn't survive as human beings by being vegan, or by eating massive amounts of carbs and sugar. Eat a diet based on good fat, animals and plants. Move your body, but you don't have to kill yourself in the process. Learn how to get into ketosis, where your body burns ketones instead of glucose.
Once you get your diet reset, you can do things like skip breakfast without issue. I actually rarely eat breakfast. Do you know why breakfast is the "most important meal of the day"? Because a cereal company started that idea as a sales and marketing campaign. Now even your damn doctor will tell you that, with no science to back it up. You can also fast easily for 24 hours, and feel great. I do it 5 or 6 times a year. I haven't gone much longer, but have no doubts that I can. There are plenty of people who do 3 to 7 day fasts. There is emerging data that shows it is good for you in a lot of ways. And it's free.
I am coming up on my 7th year on a grain-free, high fat, low sugar diet. I am almost 50 and feel great.
But don't believe me, go out there and read/watch/listen...
Good Calories Bad Calories, The Primal Blueprint, Grain Brain, The Case Against Sugar, and if you really want to nerd out and get deep on things, look up videos/articles/podcast by Dr Peter Attia.
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On day 2 of a 72 hour fast today. I've been OMADing it for a while, but I'm amping it up to get the last 20 pounds off.
Fasting on a carnivorous diet is pretty easy.
snake oil (Score:2)
SMDH [I'm a geriatric medicine specialist. I trained in one of the world's leading biology-of-aging research departments.] While caloric restriction is a firmly-established method of increasing maximum life span in mice (which live 24 months), there is no data in humans to justify t
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There is plenty of clinical data on fasting for improvement of gut and metabolic heath, along with promoting autophagy.
Whether this translates to a longer life remains an open question until someone takes measurements for a few decades, but however long you live, living your life without diabetes sounds like a win.
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Yes, I believe the term you are looking for is 'advertising'
Unless you think that drinking diet coke does cause you to party with tons of fun you women, or was it using brand-whatever deodorant? I forget.
The fact that they wrap their over priced product in a layer of BS to make it sell doesnt mean there is no benefit behind the concept.
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>Having good correlative data on fasting having benefits is different than the idea that it gets your body to eat cellular debris and unleash a wave of nonsense throughout your body.
Who's suggesting correlative data? The chemical pathways for autophagy have been identified and got some guy a Nobel prize.
So many anecdotes . . . (Score:2)
. . . so little science.
Isn't is nice that people have feelings, that they have opinions, that they have enough ego to think that their opinion is the true and correct opinion? Isn't it nice that they proudly share their dietary choices and accomplishments so that we all know how clever they are?
Dietary restriction for health is not news. It's been around all this century and beyond. Scientists working with lab animals inevitably noticed that animals on restricted diets were often healthier and lived longe
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My Own Ad (Score:2)
For $0 you can practice conventional fasting and achieve the same or better benefits compared to calorie restriction.
For a low price of $100, I will send you a personalized recipe suggestion for every day of your fast.
We support fasts from 1 day through to 5.
Like the 5-2 diet but more so... (Score:2)
Similar to the "5-2" diet that has been around for quite a while now - proven to work.
With the 5-2 you eat "normally" for 5 days a week then for 2 eat restricted calories.
Originally this was 600 calories (which I still keep at or near to) but apparently 800 will do.
So far I've lost and kept off ~ 35lbs and my wife ~ 84lbs so works well for us but may not suit others (just realised - that is a whole small person lost between us!)
Thing is - it's a change to lifestyle. not something you do for 3 months then go
Reward for the best title of a week (Score:2)
Is this an ad? (Score:2)
What to Believe? (Score:2)
There is just a little bit of conflicting evidence. It either boosts the immune system or weakens it. Good for you, or screws you over. Weakens bones? Reduces muscle, hence screwing over your metabolism long term? Fights cancer? What the hell do we believe? Increases long life / reduces long life?
http://healthland.time.com/201... [time.com]
https://www.theguardian.com/sc... [theguardian.com]
https://consumer.healthday.com... [healthday.com]
https://www.webmd.com/diet/fea... [webmd.com]
https://www.sciencedaily.com/r... [sciencedaily.com]
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/p... [nih.gov]
http://healthlan [time.com]
tl;dr summary of a healthy diet: (Score:2)
Eat real food.
A wide variety.
Not too much.
Asked my doctor (Score:2)
I asked my doctor if Iâ(TM)d live longer abstaining from beef, cigars, and whiskey. He said itâ(TM)d only seem like it.
Not really news. (Score:2)
That a perpetual healthy but lean diet of any sorts lets you live longer is pretty much established but countless studies with animals and humans. Add in regular exercise and regular cardio load and perhaps these new medications and supplements and you even can reverse the effects of aging in body and brain.
I recommend for reading "The longevity diet", "The four hour body" and for viewing a recent 3 hour interview with Joe Rogan and that "anti age" research guy - dunno his name, Google it.
My 2 cents.
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Re:Now we do diets here? (Score:5, Insightful)
Here's a better idea.
Fast for 2 days, 5 days, a week or two. It's quite easy: you just stop eating, and drink plenty of water, tea, coffee, or whatever you fancy. You might feel a little hungry in the first 2 days, but then hunger goes away and all you have to cope with is a purely mental yen to eat something. People have been fasting for thousands of years, and 2500 years ago it was known to be better for you than almost any medicine.
When you have fasted long enough, break your fast with a steak or some roast meat, fish or fowl. Eat eggs, cheese, butter, vegetables - but only a little fruit and no other sweets.
When you're ready, do another fast.
That gives you all the benefits claimed for the artificial profit-making regime, costs less, and tastes a hell of a lot better.
Re:Now we do diets here? (Score:5, Interesting)
Archtech suggested:
Here's a better idea.
Fast for 2 days, 5 days, a week or two. It's quite easy: you just stop eating, and drink plenty of water, tea, coffee, or whatever you fancy. You might feel a little hungry in the first 2 days, but then hunger goes away and all you have to cope with is a purely mental yen to eat something. People have been fasting for thousands of years, and 2500 years ago it was known to be better for you than almost any medicine.
When you have fasted long enough, break your fast with a steak or some roast meat, fish or fowl. Eat eggs, cheese, butter, vegetables - but only a little fruit and no other sweets.
When you're ready, do another fast.
That gives you all the benefits claimed for the artificial profit-making regime, costs less, and tastes a hell of a lot better.
Here's an even better idea:
Don't eat anything after midnight and before 6:00 pm. Then eat whatever you want.
It's called "day fasting" - and it works.
I'm an insulin-dependent Type II diabetic. Whenever I do day fasting (2-3 times a week), my need for insulin drops significantly, to the point where I have to be on the alert for severe hypoglycemia during the wee hours of the night. I also lose weight (40 pounds in 6 months, most recently). I find I sleep better and have somewhat more energy during the day, too.
Avoiding simple carbs - baked goods, potato chips, etc. - is always a good idea, because they're really bad for your sugar metabolism. The royal road to Type II diabetes runs straight through Pringles and Doritos, and, trust me, it's one whose destination you won't enjoy ...
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And this is a good thing?
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Here's an even better idea:
Don't eat anything after midnight and before 6:00 pm. Then eat whatever you want.
It's called "day fasting" - and it works.
I'm an insulin-dependent Type II diabetic. Whenever I do day fasting (2-3 times a week), my need for insulin drops significantly, to the point where I have to be on the alert for severe hypoglycemia during the wee hours of the night. I also lose weight (40 pounds in 6 months, most recently). I find I sleep better and have somewhat more energy during the day, too.
Avoiding simple carbs - baked goods, potato chips, etc. - is always a good idea, because they're really bad for your sugar metabolism. The royal road to Type II diabetes runs straight through Pringles and Doritos, and, trust me, it's one whose destination you won't enjoy ...
This seems similar to the 16-8 diet where you leave a window of 16 hours per day without food; you seem to have made it a 6 hour eating/feeding window and shifted it to the evening-to-night.
I think the plenty of hours (18 hours) of no food, give systems (panceas/insulin) enough rest and flush out any remaining food/glucose. Also for a carnivore in africa, you get to eat a heavy meal (like lion feeding on an impala) only once in say 24 or 48 or even more hours; so likely our hardware/body is adapted to h
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Here's a better idea.
You idea may be "better" in terms of no monetary cost, but you're missing the point. It's much harder for people to do an actual fast than the proposed diet that mimicks a fast.
FTA...
We thought, ‘Of course. Everybody is going to do it. It’s going to be easy'. It was water-only fasting. Completely free. Don’t eat. Just drink.
Nobody wanted to do it. Everybody thought it was a disaster.
Longo and his team groped for alternatives and quickly hit on a better idea: perhaps they could design a diet that aimed to trick the body into thinking it was fasting, without actually starving. Longo knew that if he made a low-carbohydrate diet lacking glucose and certain key amino acids—in other words, most proteins and all carbs were out—the body would still enter its protective state.
As for your assertion...
Fast for 2 days, 5 days, a week or two. It's quite easy: you just stop eating, and drink plenty of water, tea, coffee, or whatever you fancy. You might feel a little hungry in the first 2 days, but then hunger goes away...
Stop eating for "a week or two" and after 2 days "hunger goes away"? I call utter bullshit.
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No, it's true. If you can actually do it. Personally I know three people who can do it (including myself) and they are in no danger of getting fat. In fact the problem is putting on weight. It might be something that is specific to certain people, or a certain mindset, but it's not bullshit.
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Pay twice as much for half as much food as you normally eat, delivered in a shoebox. Whoever came up with that winning business model was pure genius.
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Now that the anonymous cowards have some time on their hands, they thought it was time to work on getting them ready to leave their mothers' basements.
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Well when your typical slashdot poster looks like this https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/i... [kym-cdn.com]
nah, not realistic (Score:2)
Nope. Your picture isn't realistic:
he's dressed well too nicely for a nerd.
Also, doesn't even wear a power-tie [stallman.org]. Amateur.
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Also, doesn't even wear a power-tie [stallman.org]. Amateur.
"POWER processors, not ties!" -- IBM
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You must be new here... I remember ./ was one of the hotbeds of the Atkins diet when it came out. "Hack your body" and all that.
Re:Now we do diets here? (Score:5, Insightful)
Oh shit, they're letting ACs back in now? Damn. And just when I thought this place had finally wised up.
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Oh shit, they're letting ACs back in now?
Sort of. You gotta be logged in. At least they're weeding out the lazy ones.
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As even TFS says, this is not a new idea at all.
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I've heard about it. A retired astronaut that was on some PBS program years ago had basically gone this route for himself. Thing is, while he was old enough to be a pensioner he wasn't especially old yet, so it's tough to say if the diet was actually working or not.
It has been shown in laboratory mice to produce some results, in the sense that older mice show behavioral tendencies more like younger mice. We're not mice though, and some longterm, peer-reviewed studies in humans would go a long way. Unfor
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lolz no humans are not designed to even live 125 years. no human has done that, nor ever will.
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no human has done that, nor ever will.
OP's claim is pretty silly, but humans are just really complex chemical reactions. I see no reason why that reaction could not be prolonged, if the right adjustments were made in the right ways. That's not to say it will be easy or simple, but there are ideas on how to do it. You know, a decade ago, gene editing was a cumbersome process; today you can buy a kit online. [the-odin.com] No one ever will extend human longevity you say? If you know what is going to happen in the next decade, please share with the rest of
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a molecular biologist would tell you exactly why the chemical reaction can't continue for 125 years. Can't happen, the thing falls apart every time.
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To me, it's always felt like dictatorships.
We know living forever is wrong, but given the option we'd choose it.
Perhaps "longevity corrupts, absolute longevity corrupts absolutely"?
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Almost thought you were supporting centurians as norms.
We've extended the tail on a curve you can map with other animals, reference sexual maturity menopause organ/bone decay etc and it's clear that any business we have in the 100's is artificial. We're "built" for much less and the long tail is man-made.
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There are a lot of people, even these days, who have a pretty thin physique already,...
You've never been to Walmart, have you? :-)
Ayurveda addresses differences in people (Score:2)
It begins with a premise that each person is a mixture of some three abstract "life force" components -- I think they correspond to air, fire, and earth, water being common for all -- in different proportions, and the food you need to eat and how you should exercise and lifestyle that is best for you depends on your specific point (or range) in that 3D space -- specifically the one you were at in your formative years.
So some people for example need to eat more heavy oily foods like oatmeal and sleep longer
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Or try only eating 4 hours out of 48. Strict keto when you eat. Does wonders - 31kg lost, more than 95% of those - fat.