The Impossible Whopper is Coming To Every Burger King in America Next Week (cnn.com) 245
Burger King will start selling its meatless Whopper across the United States on August 8, the biggest rollout for Impossible's plant-based product. From a report: The burger chain has been selling the Impossible Whopper, featuring a meatless patty made by Impossible Foods, in a few markets in the United States since April. It first tested the product in St. Louis before announcing in May that it would offer the Impossible Whopper nationally this year. Interest in plant-based protein has surged as many people try to reduce their meat intake for health or environmental reasons. US retail sales of plant-based foods have grown 11% in the past year, according to a July report from trade group Plant Based Foods Association and the Good Food Institute, a nonprofit that supports plant-based businesses. The Impossible Whopper has been performing well, Chris Finazzo, Burger King's president for the Americas, told CNN Business.
Beware the salt, but tastes OK (Score:5, Informative)
The IB has 16 times the amount of sodium than a real one.
It also had much more saturated fat than a normal one but the new 2019 version has less coconut oil than before.
Still has the GMO of the soy leghemoglobin and soy protein, which might be a problem for some.
https://www.healthline.com/nut... [healthline.com]
Re:Beware the salt, but tastes OK (Score:5, Informative)
The IB has 16 times the amount of sodium than a real one.
Are you talking about just the patty?
According to bk.com, the Impossible Whopper has 1080mg sodium, while the normal Whopper has 980mg.
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Holy crap! A whole gram of sodium??? 2g of sodium translates into to ~5g of table salt.
So about 2.5g of salt in a single burger? Wow, that's a lot. About a half a tsp.
Re:Beware the salt, but tastes OK (Score:5, Insightful)
Seems legit. Probably about the same as what goes into it if you make it all yourself. By the time you generously salt the patty to bring out the flavour while grilling, to the salt you add to your home made bbq sauce, hell a single slice of cheddar has close to 200mg of sodium, and no decent burger is made with a single slice of cheese, and you can repeat the previous sentence for bacon.
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I replied with something along the same lines then it occured to me he might actually be using regular table salt instead of sea/Kosher salt/Himalayan salt. That regular cheap iodized sodium chloride is much more harsh and you have to use substantially less. With that stuff food very nearly goes directly from bland to oversalted.
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OK Chef Ramsay... Seriously though, anyone worth their salt (pun intended) seasons meat when the cook it. Anyone who tells you that a 100% unseasoned burger tastes best is not someone whose recommendations on food I'll be listening to. Do you not salt your pasta water either?
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"OK Chef Ramsay..."
Chef Ramsay actually gives legitimate advice, he is one of the few celebrity chefs that is actually renowned on the basis of their proven ability in the kitchen rather than renowned for being on TV.
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> Chef Ramsay actually gives legitimate advice
Yes. As opposed to the AC clown who I was mocking by calling them "Chef Ramsay". You might need your sarcasm detector serviced....
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"OK Chef Ramsay..."
Chef Ramsay actually gives legitimate advice, he is one of the few celebrity chefs that is actually renowned on the basis of their proven ability in the kitchen rather than renowned for being on TV.
And he also salts his steak :)
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Few? Who among this group can't cook?
* Mario Batali
* Chris Bianco
* Heston Blumenthal
* Anthony Bourdain
* Emeril Lagasse
* Jamie Oliver
* Wolfgang Puck
* Gordon Ramsay
* Peter Reinhart
* Michael Ruhlman
* Charlie Trotter
* Alice Waters
* Marco Pierre White — trained Gordon Ramsay
90% of everything is crap, but the 10%
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Seriously though, anyone worth their salt (pun intended) seasons meat when the cook it.
Wrong. Lots of meats benefit substantially from brining before cooking much, MUCH more than seasoning them while cooking.
Submersing in a brine solution for hours means that osmosis pulls the brine into the meat. That adds both salt and moisture to the meat, substantially improving it. Salting the surface and then cooking means that the water driven out of the meat during cooking washes off the salt on the surface. You can definitely try to counteract this with excessive surface salting, but it's better to j
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So how often do you brine raw hamburger?
I brine meat all the time, especially anything I sous vide, but hamburger is one of the few proteins I would not brine.
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Wrong. Lots of meats benefit substantially from brining before cooking much, MUCH more than seasoning them while cooking.
You can't brine minced beef. You can't properly grind brined beef. Brining has it's place, for very specific meat cuts eaten in a very specific way. It not only changes the flavour profile but fundamentally changes the texture of the meat.
I just called the OP an idiot for not salting his beef, but it's equally idiotic to recommend brining everything except for some very specific cases.
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No, it isn't. The salt activates your taste buds allowing you to TASTE the flavor of the beef. You can't even fully experience good beef without salt so I doubt you can taste the difference between good and cheap grades of beef.
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Actually it is pretty cunning. They load up with salt for a chemical reaction with glutamic acid to create mono sodium glutamate. So the reason for lots of salt, is not the salt but chemistry, see they did not add in MSG, nope, they created it with chemistry in the food itself.
Of course I still indulge but mainly with https://www.hungryjacks.com.au... [hungryjacks.com.au], where's the ultimate double whopper in the US.
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Well, we don't have the entire science of taste locked down so feel free to differ. The entire culinary world and entire "let the meat do the talking" community which comes out of Texas agrees to disagree with your unique perspective.
Is is rather odd how the salt tastes like carrots on carrots and tomato on tomatoes unless you use too much and it tastes different on pork, chicken, beef, etc and how that flavor parallels the flavor you get from those animals if you condense unsalted stock and let the natural
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I'm a fat glutton but I don't salt my food either, what's your point.
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I've never added salt to a hamburger you are just a fat glutton. Good beef is best on it's own.
You're an idiot. And also an anorexic moron (I assume anyway since you just called someone who weighs 70kg fat, and you somehow think that salt is fattening).
Look, it's okay. The world is full of people who lack refined tastes, and people who will happily settle for second best not just in flavour but also in texture. There's scientific reasons why you should salt beef when cooking, and scientific reasons why you should be careful about exactly when you salt beef.
Good beef is most definitely not best on it'
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"And most crap beef in fast food operations is just a step up from dogfood."
There is actually nothing wrong with the meat in dog and cat food. Sadly about a third of all meat consumed in the US is wasted feeding pet animals while people starve to death or least go hungry on the streets. Hell, our young adults are forced to eat empty carbohydrates (Ramen) in college while we feed useless animals meat/gravy/fish.
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I can't tell if you're being a troll or an idiot. We could feed pets and the homeless with all the food our society throws in the trash every day. You would be much more successful if you used that as your argument rather than telling people their animals are worthless.
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Tranny isn't an insult.
There are a few useful animals of the types we keep as pets that serve as exceptions. Trained dogs are used in a number of roles for example. But these really represent such a tiny number of animals compared to the pet animals raised and kept in the US that they just aren't statistically significant. Your animal may not be worthless (especially to you) more than likely it is useless.
Just remember, every dog you rescue creates the financial incentive to breed four more and each of thos
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You had me until here "takes the meat out of the mouths of three children each day." I care way more about my pets than any child.
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Supply and demand, those are the same thing. The meat goes to the dog for two real reasons, one people are willing to pay for 12-15yrs of dog meals for 3 months of puppy breath rather than prevent hunger pains in another human being and two we have an insane economic disparity that allows that.
In other words, the situation exists because you'll pay more to feed your useless dog than useless humans.
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That's a funny flippant remark but it isn't funny for real. Have you encountered homeless people? They aren't obese. But that isn't the only option. We could reduce meat production by 1/3. We could make the meat into less perishable forms like jerky and sent it to impoverished regions of the globe. When my mother traveled to Africa a couple years back and stayed in a small village she discovered they had a tradition. A man wasn't considered a man if he couldn't provide meat, a piece the size of a chicken nu
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Uh, yes. For one serving of just an entree, that is in fact, a hell of a lot of salt.
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One serving of just a burger is about 1/2lb of beef plus a slice of cheese and possibly a couple strips of bacon, not to mention the veg. 1/2 tsp is sea salt seems about right. The cheese alone will be 20%.
Salting is not a preference. If it tastes salty it is too much, if you could add more and still not taste salt you probably haven't added enough (though there is a window). Just like adding salt to water allows it to conduct electricity, adding salt to food allows you taste the flavors in it. You don't st
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I'm not sure I'd call 1/3 of a typical day's calories "just an entree".. but then again it's about 1/2 of a day's typical recommended sodium, so...
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That's about right.
And yes, it's why the average person consumes about 2-3 times the daily recommended amount of sodium (2000mg). That pizza you had for dinner - unless you had one relatively small slice (ha, ha), you would've easily consumed twice the amount of sodium in that one meal.
There's salt everywhere. Processed foods are exceptionally
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There's salt everywhere.
I detect zero salt in my whiskey. That's why it's so healthy.
But seriously, as far as I can tell the impossible burgers are no healthier than regular ones. They're just a bit better for the environment. Taste-wise, I was pretty impressed the two times I had it. And I don't eat burgers for my heath, so I'm not super worried that they're unhealthy. That's why they're a once every month or two meal for me, and not a daily or weekly one.
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"Wow, that's a lot. About a half a tsp."
Actually that sounds just about right for a reasonable size burger (aprox 1/2 pound) plus the other toppings at least it would be with real meat. You must eat/serve bland food or be used to tiny burgers. Remember you need to use a generous amount of salt and let it hang out a bit on the meat to transport the ions throughout the meat just like steak.
Seasoning is actually quite easy, for any food that isn't supposed to be salty for specific reasons (bacon, popcorn, crac
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Holy crap! A whole gram of sodium??? 2g of sodium translates into to ~5g of table salt.
So about 2.5g of salt in a single burger? Wow, that's a lot. About a half a tsp.
Actually it's over 6 grams of salt, and is almost 1.5 tsp. Yes, that's a lot of salt. You should not be eating that much salt in a DAY, much less in a single burger.
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Whoops, sorry, misread that. Your math is correct.
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Comparing impossible meat with real burger meat.. its higher in sodium. However its also pretty pricey. What if burger king is cutting it with some not so great alternatives to cut cost and thats why the math does not support what it should be if it was 100% IB? I wouldnt put anything past fast food places. For all I know its 20% indigestible parts.
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"However its also pretty pricey."
At retail. Everything it is made with is a hell of a lot cheaper than beef (actual food aka protein is expensive). So I wouldn't be surprised if they were willing to take a cut on their insane margins for the kind of volume they can potentially push through burger king.
Also, it is the first and only patty out there which actually takes like meat (not quite like a good burger but certainly passable on the fast food level). Giving people ready and cheap access to discover that
Not enough (Score:5, Interesting)
According to bk.com, the Impossible Whopper has 1080mg sodium, while the normal Whopper has 980mg.
Waaay too much for one meal! [heart.org]
The American Journal of Hypertension reports [oxfordjournals.org] that:
Both low sodium intakes and high sodium intakes are associated with increased mortality, consistent with a U-shaped association between sodium intake and health outcomes.
The AHA recommendation is that you limit your daily intake to about 65mmol (converted from 1500mg) of salt per day. But the AJH study classifies “low intake” as anything under 115 mmol. In other words, the AHA recommendation would have us eat a dangerously low amount of sodium
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He is wrong about sodium in the burger but right in that "low fat" foods would necessitate consuming too much sodium. Any chef can tell you, fat is flavor and salt is the conductor of the flavor which allows you to taste it. Low fat foods typically have so little flavor that you have to oversaturate the salt to the point you actually taste the salt itself.
Data? (Score:2)
Where's your paper that contradicts the findings in this study?
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No it isn't, a proper half pound burger should be most of your calories for the day. All food should be served with no more or less than the amount of salt that enhances conductivity of the flavor without adding a "salt" flavor. Fat is flavor, salt is what you need to actually taste that flavor.
"Low fat" food doesn't have much flavor, so it needs an insane amount of salt, so much so that it tastes salty. Any food that needs so much salt that it is salty in order to taste it, either shouldn't be eaten or sho
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Something doesn't add up in the link you posted. The beef burger they are using for comparison isn't a beef Whopper.
For example, according to BK the Whopper has 980 mg of sodium which is almost 3x as much as the IB.
Re:Beware the salt, but tastes OK (Score:4, Insightful)
The Whopper sandwich is listed as 980mg (src [bk.com])
The raw beef patty itself (4oz) is 75mg (per GP's source's sources [usda.gov] - though they don't link it as directly)
The IB Whopper sandwich is 1078mg (src [bk.com])
The raw IB patty itself (4oz) is 370mg (per GP's source's sources [impossiblefoods.com])
So it's important to note two things:
1) While the patty itself does contain almost five times the salt as a regular beef patty (90% lean) of the same mass, the Whopper sandwich as a whole contains only a little bit more. Clearly they reduced the sodium in other parts of the sandwich to compensate.
2) GP's source, "Healthline.com," incorrectly (and inappropriately) listed everything only as % DV instead of including actual values. For 75mg to be 1% DV for sodium, then 100% DV would be 7500mg - which is three to five times higher than any authoritative body recommends and a little over double what the average American consumes.
The veracity of Healthline.com is up for debate.
=Smidge=
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"I don't know about BK, but at home and when I worked at McDonald's the patties are salted after cooking. This would account for your numbers."
If you are salting after cooking you are doing it wrong. That only salts the surface of the meat (which doesn't hurt the McD ultra-thin patties much). You should put on a decent coat of salt and then allow time to rest so the salt ions can transport throughout the meat. Of course, at home I'm assuming you are using reasonable sized patties 1/3-1/2lb.
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Most of that is *not* in the beef. A single slice of cheese has 200mg of sodium in it, a single slice of bacon 150mg, and let's not get started about the sauce.
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Thanks for the update. Im a meat lover but it does have me curious. The real question is how much will this cost. IB is pretty pricey if its the real deal and burger king is not mixing it with a knockoff to save costs. I would not put the cost cutting past a fast food franchise.
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The IB has 16 times the amount of sodium than a real one.
Nope. You can't say that.
The table you refer to expresses Sodium as a percentage of suggested daily intake.
And the reference burger in that table is 90% lean. I can tell you for sure that almost no burger on earth is going to be 90% lean. This reference burger is some sort of super obscure health food burger, not a typical fast food burger.
If you look up ( https://www.accessdata.fda.gov... [fda.gov] ) what this max daily intake figure is then you get to something like 2300mg.
So, in the case of the of the IB tha
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You mean a minor blip due to the fed correctly lowering their rates?
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I think Trump is as incompetent as the next guy, but apparently the US Constitution has no other ways to deal with such a bad president than to wait for for him to not be elected by the next vote in 2020.
However, the reason for me to respond to you post is your signature, where you write: " FreeBSD (a real unix) ", when in fact "BSD is very definitely not UNIX®" is stated on:
https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en... [freebsd.org]
I have myself used Linux since Dec.1993, and in the early days also tried a few times using a BS
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The fuckwit is the person who worries about day-to-day changes in their 401(k).
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Should get rid of AC to get rid of you cunts.
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i dont get it, if you are vegetarian, why do you want a hamburger?
You can choose to not eat meat (or minimize your meat consumption) while still acknowledging that meat tastes good. I am also not a vegetarian, but I do make the decision to generally eat a plant based diet for environmental and health reasons. Yeah, burgers taste good, and I love meat of all sorts, but that's not the only thing I'm thinking about when I buy food.
I like soda more than water, but I drink more water than soda. Why? Because soda is horrible for you. Meat, in small quantities, can absolut
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Fat is flavor, salt is what allows you taste flavor. Bland beef is NOT good beef it is wasting good beef. I don't know where you get that nonsense but here in Texas, home of the let high quality meat speak for itself BBQ philosophy and home of the best examples you'll find on the globe anyone can tell you that salt is ALWAYS used. Any top end steak house or chef will tell you the same. Some will also tell you a NY strip is a good cut but that is just so they can get you to pay big money for a cheap cut whil
Wendys (Score:3, Interesting)
I hear that Wendy's bringing back the "Wheres the Beef" commercial. Me, I want the real thing. nice thick juicy beef burger with pickles, onions, lettuce, tomato mayo and the most important ingredient of all, bacon!
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how big an environmental impact meat production has will resonate with people - the health benefits are just a bonus.
This right here is the big thing, IMO. I love beef, and I'm no fan of the PETA crowd going on about how crabs are people too (I personally don't feel guilty at all about the basic killing of an animal for food thing), but like it or not the world is changing, and when it comes to the production & consumption of animal products, people are just going to have to accept that current production levels are less than desirable from a sustainability perspective.
I'm not saying to never eat meat, but from an e
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I donâ(TM)t care about eating an animal that was treated well. Community farming and adjusted expectations, along with higher quality food options, is the solution to the inhumane meat industry, not total abolition.
I get that. There's a huge difference between a grass fed free-range cow and a feedlot one. We're not talking about the best animal welfare here. We're talking about animals fed on government subsidised corn, kept packed into unhealthy feedlots and using hormones and antibiotics just to allow them survive to the size needed for slaughter. The plant based alternative is not perfect but it's better.
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My mom has a small flock of chickens. When I'm home, I pretty much want to eat eggs for every meal. Those are the most spoiled chickens ever, and the eggs show it. The yolks are orange headed towards red. So rich, so flavorful. The chickens get a couple acres to roam, eating anything they find. Insects, grain, mice, bread, and frogs, for sure. Probably baby birds, snakes, and any other baby mammal smaller than a mouse, although I haven't witnessed any of those. Definitely a lot of precious fruit and vegetab
Nutrition Information (Score:2)
[Possible] Whopper [bk.com]
Impossible Whopper [bk.com]
It's not much better nutritionally.
Re:Nutrition Information (Score:5, Insightful)
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Well - I'm not sure health conscience people will visit fast food all that often. Their goal seems not to create a healthy burger, just one not made with meat.
No. Their goal is to have something on the menu for that one family member who won't eat meat. That gets the whole family in the door.
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Well - I'm not sure health conscience people will visit fast food all that often. Their goal seems not to create a healthy burger, just one not made with meat.
No. Their goal is to have something on the menu for that one family member who won't eat meat. That gets the whole family in the door.
And once we get the whole family in the doors... Then we turn the whole family into burgers? Am I missing a crucial step here? I'm so confused, I need a burger.
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I'm a health-conscious person, and I eat meat.
Plant food (Score:2, Funny)
It all starts with plant based proteins. Like that snot they ate in the Matrix.
Does anyone really believe Dozer got that big by eating snot? No you don't. He ate people. Gooey liquidy people. Former vegans and socialists.
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I'm a socialist carnivore. Did I just blow your mind?
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Naw, it just makes you one of the smarter and slightly more tolerable socialist dumb-asses.
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Only if you didn't bring enough for to share with the rest of us.
They should call it the Wish Whopper (Score:1)
Impossible? 99 cents (2008-9) ? (Score:4)
Flying in, then driving distances interstate in a rented car, I just loved to load up on 99 cent Whoppers then. In 2019, that's my Impossible Whopper (dream)!
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I used to live off of their rodeo burgers.
Two for $3 or one for $1 depending on time of the year.
I was a very poor college student.
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Install the BK app. Every now and then they run a $1 Whopper deal (there was even a 1 cent Whopper deal back in December). However I believe they're always limited 1 per app, so maybe not quite as lucrative as you are hoping for.
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Used smartphones are really cheap these days. Just get one as old as possible that can run the BK app.
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I am not a huge fast-food guy but I do crave it from time-to-time.
If I happen to be by a BK, I will order their off-menu veggie (Morningstar griller patty) burger to scratch that itch and I am always slightly amazed that it continues to be available.
They have had that veggie patty available for years now and I guess they must be selling well enough to justify doubling down on another veggie-based patty.
Good for them. Hope they sell well. I prefer veggie patties. I think they taste better than normal beef.
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People who eat a lot of fast food hamburgers aren't health nuts anyway.
Not really. There's a lot of people who can't eat meat for whatever reason (Ethical/Medical/Religious/Ecological/Other). These are people who suffer at fast food restaurants. Lack of options see. So by having this impossible burger it does give them a lot more options. Think for instance of all the Muslims who have to eat Halal food that BK might not have many options. The terrible fish burger and the veggie BK. Having this impossible burger gives them more choices and that's a good thing for their bottom l
Is this an ad for Burger King? (Score:2)
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Here are two other words: cloud security.
Am I doing this right?
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That still sounds healthier than the Impossible Burger...
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nerd mana
Want to get the nerds all excited? Produce GMO meatless tendies.
Hipster tax (Score:2)
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According to TFA, $1
How disgusting (Score:2)
Please explain how a genetically modified frankenfood is somehow better than a whole food like steak. Granted I'll never eat a whopper or big mac, because of the crap also on it- bread, lettuce, GMO tomatoes, ketchup - but why???
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animals don't suffer - they are meant to either eat or be eaten.
when they get too old/sick, even predators become prey
my body is not designed to eat some chemical engineered frankenfood
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omg, another bleeding heart trying to inject human emotions into animals
Well that's kind of typical: ask a question then throw a shit fit when you don't like the answer.
animals don't suffer
Correction: throw a shit fit then start denying reality!
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Human are just animals, we get eaten sometimes... So by your logic humans are meant to be eaten and don't suffer when they are.
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Vegetarians don't want to eat the Impossible burger patty anyway.
It is too much like meat, and you could argue that it is not vegetarian anyway when it contains heme (from GMO microorganisms...)
It is cooked together with beef and the mayo is still egg-based, which is also reason for vegans/vegetarians to avoid it.
No, this is for the eco-conscious omnivore who realises that beef is a major cause of climate chance. (and only idiots deny that climate change is real)
Here in Europe, Burger King used to have an e
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If you're eating GMO tomatoes that's your fault because there aren't any on the market. You must be getting them from a lab illegally.
Or you don't know much about something you have an opinion on.
Smaller please (Score:2)
Enh (Score:2)
I still prefer the Gardenburger to the Impossible thingy.
For some reason, many restaurants are cutting the impossible burger patties way too thick. I'm wondering if that's to distinguish the fake from the real.
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I read somewhere that Burger King is getting a special supply of Impossible Burgers that are shaped to the size and thickness of their meat-based Whopper patties.
Snowflake alert! (Score:2)
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Impossible burger doesn't have public stock yet. You're thinking of Beyond Meats which makes a competing meat/patty substitute.
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You are either 90 years old or just really bad at trolling.
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I am Gen X and I took care of business without saddling myself with a bunch of stupid college debt.
Instead you shits just offloaded it onto millenials.
Re: Veggie burger ... (Score:1)
Sorry to break it to you dude, but those cows are eating other cows (offal). It's cows all the way down, man
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Insist on Kobe beef burgers. Of course that pretty much keeps you out of Burger King and other big chain fast food joints.
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No.
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