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Researchers Claim Robust 'Universal Computer Memory' Breakthrough (lancaster.ac.uk) 123

Lancaster University has announced a "universal computer memory" breakthrough combining the fast, low-energy storage of DRAM memory with the robustness of flash memory. They're now envisioning ultra-low energy consumption computers which would never need to boot up -- and can "instantaneously and imperceptibly" slip into an energy-saving sleep mode.

Long-time Slashdot reader Hrrrg pointed us to this announcement: A U.S. patent has been awarded for the electronic memory device with another patent pending, while several companies have expressed an interest or are actively involved in the research. The inventors of the device used quantum mechanics to solve the dilemma of choosing between stable, long-term data storage and low-energy writing and erasing... [Specifically, "by exploiting the quantum-mechanical properties of an asymmetric triple resonant-tunnelling barrier."]

Physics Professor Manus Hayne of Lancaster University said, "Our device has an intrinsic data storage time that is predicted to exceed the age of the Universe, yet it can record or delete data using 100 times less energy than DRAM."

The announcement predicts the technology could reduce peak power consumption in data centers by 20%.
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Researchers Claim Robust 'Universal Computer Memory' Breakthrough

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  • by fahrbot-bot ( 874524 ) on Sunday June 30, 2019 @04:42PM (#58851586)

    ... exploiting the quantum-mechanical properties of an asymmetric triple resonant-tunnelling barrier.

    All well and good until, like with razor blades, someone starts using a quintuple resonant-tunnelling barrier.

    • As predicted [theonion.com]
      • ... exploiting the quantum-mechanical properties of an asymmetric triple resonant-tunnelling barrier.

        All well and good until, like with razor blades, someone starts using a quintuple resonant-tunnelling barrier.

        As predicted [theonion.com]

        And, for those too young to remember, this joke started with the 1975 SNL fake ad for the Triple-Track Razor [jt.org] that ends:

        Announcer: The Triple-Trac. Because you’ll believe anything.

  • by gweihir ( 88907 ) on Sunday June 30, 2019 @04:46PM (#58851608)

    And "data storage time that is predicted to exceed the age of the Universe" is just exceptionally stupid. Sure, maybe the bit has that property if it is made from Iron or another really long-lived material, but "data storage" does necessarily include the ability to access it and then you are at the typical semiconductor lifetimes for 20-50 years. I would expect a Physics professor to at least have a basic understanding of that. Also, a Physics professor should definitely know that we have no firm data on how long the universe is going to exist, just several competing possibilities.

    The while thing is very likely to land on the very large heap of similar "revolutionary", but ultimately unworkable technologies anyways. The grander the announcement, the smaller the actual substance.

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    • by cdsparrow ( 658739 ) on Sunday June 30, 2019 @05:19PM (#58851742)

      I just throw all my data into a black hole and hope that someone develops a way to read it back out using hawking radiation when it winks out in 20bil years.

      • by mentil ( 1748130 )

        Ahh, write-only memory. I have infinite amounts of that already, and you wouldn't believe the speeds I can achieve writing to it.

    • by Meneth ( 872868 )
      The abstract says:

      Non-volatile data retention of at least 10^4s

      So about 3 hours. Not quite as good as current Flash memory. I have no idea where that other figure comes from.

      • by skids ( 119237 )

        I think the "at least 10^4s" may be what they actually are confident they have amply tested on the fabricated cell, versus the theoretically modeled retention. They had some unexplained drift in the read currents they have to look into. I gave up VLSI after college, so I don't know if the number of layers they are using is excessive these days, but it looks promising if it is verified and a path to industry scale fabrication is found.

    • For the past 20 years I've been reading on Slashdot about "breakthroughs" in MRAM and how it'll lead to bootless computers within the next 5 years. I predict when such computers do arrive they will be powered by Mr Fusions.

      • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

        We could have bootless computers now if we really wanted to. Tech like Intel Optane is as fast as RAM used to be, so for a lot of software there isn't all that much point even loading it into RAM any more.

        The problem is that it would be a huge paradigm shift and no-one is willing to make it yet.

    • And "data storage time that is predicted to exceed the age of the Universe" is just exceptionally stupid. Sure, maybe the bit has that property if it is made from Iron or another really long-lived material, but "data storage" does necessarily include the ability to access it and then you are at the typical semiconductor lifetimes for 20-50 years. I would expect a Physics professor to at least have a basic understanding of that. Also, a Physics professor should definitely know that we have no firm data on how long the universe is going to exist, just several competing possibilities.

      10^14 year commentary in paper is explicitly about stability of trapped charge not physical real world implementations.

      "The intrinsic InAs FG is isolated from the InAs channel by a 15-nm AlSb barrier, while double InAs quantum wells (QWs) with triple AlSb barriers serve as a resonant-tunnelling barrier between the FG and the n-doped InAs CG. Hence, in our devices the electrons stored in the InAs FG are isolated by the anomalously-large conduction-band discontinuity with AlSb, a charge-confinement system tha

      • by gweihir ( 88907 )

        10^14 year commentary in paper is explicitly about stability of trapped charge not physical real world implementations.

        I realize that. I am not criticizing the paper. I am criticizing the statement made by that professor as lie by misdirection. And it is.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    let us know when we can buy it in the store. If ever.

  • Lovely innovation, except that when you pull the plug on current computers the RAM gets wiped clean. With this technology - possibly through backdoors or malware - stuff that you thought is "gone" may actually still lurk in this new permanent RAM. Knowing Microsoft, Intel et ceteras piss poor track record on privacy, this is precisely what is going to happen. Your new RAM will selectively stockpile certain data you want gone, and it will then be syphoned away over the internet at an opportune moment. For example: You write yourself notes for your next business idea or innovative invention. New RAM logs your keystrokes without giving any indication that it is doing so. When your computer goes online - you briefly use the Wifi in a hotel you are staying at to send an email for example - your keystrokes in New RAM go flying into the cloud somewhere. This innovation will have broad appeal - all computers will get it. But it will also drive another nail into the privacy coffin, because you are NOT in control of every aspect of your PC today, and New RAM will add another layer to that - pulling the plug of your PC will no longer guarantee that what you had in RAM is not still in RAM. I'm sure that the Intel Management Engine and the fucked up BIOSes we have today will ensure that you have no real control whatsoever over what stays in New RAM and what gets deleted.
    • WTF are you talking about? That makes zero sense. Are you one of those tin foil hat types? Oh, I just read your sig. I guess you are. Carry on.

      • Answer this with HONESTY if you are still around. How many people who believe that "actual conspiracies can and do happen in our imperfect world" actually put TINFOIL on their heads? And precisely what is a "Tin Foil Hat Type" in your book? People from all walks of life, all education levels and all backgrounds believe that certain things that happen in this world are - oh no oh no I said it - the result of a one or more people conspiring to do something fucked up. Now answer this: Who is more DANGEROUS to
        • by Misagon ( 1135 )

          @dryriver Don't get riled up! 110010001000 comes to Slashdot to write troll posts --- not to contribute in any meaningful way.
          That would become apparent to you if you check what else he has posted...

    • Lovely innovation, except that when you pull the plug on current computers the RAM gets wiped clean.

      Not immediately. Successful cryptographic keys recovery attacks have been carried out by retrieving them from RAM in computers that had been recently unplugged.

    • It's going to be a big problem with memory leaks, though finally programmers will actually have an incentive to do something about them.
  • by HotNeedleOfInquiry ( 598897 ) on Sunday June 30, 2019 @04:59PM (#58851666)
    And I got this much. They tested data retention "overnight". They tested read/write wearout for 200 cycles. Their cell size is about 500 times that of a DDR4 memory. And it looks like a holy bitch to fab. So don't hold your breathe.
    • Any research who claims that they have a "US Patent" as an accomplishment is probably a scam. Anyone can get a US patent. You just need to pay the filing fee.

      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by dryriver ( 1010635 )
        If you had actually filed a patent with the USPTO, you'd know that getting a patent approved by said USPTO is no cakewalk. A typical tech patent can take months to write properly, and cost tens of thousands of Dollars before you even get to the filing stage. One wording error in your patent, and you slam into an existing patent, or someone can still steal your idea by changing it a little bit. USPTO examiners will also give you a very, very hard time unless your invention is genuinely new and distinct from
        • One wording error in your patent, and you slam into an existing patent, or someone can still steal your idea by changing it a little bit.

          Yes, like adding "with a computer" or "on a network" and filing for a new patent... Isn't that the majority of new patents?

        • by Darinbob ( 1142669 ) on Sunday June 30, 2019 @06:33PM (#58852060)

          Yes, companies hire lawyers to do this. It's still stupidly easy compared to the past. You don't even have to prove that your idea works, you don't need a model, you don't even need to worry too much about conflicting patents as long as no one notices. The USPTO is not doing the necessary background work here to verify that the patent is a new and novel idea. We have a wall at work with a lot of patents on it; almost all of them are essentially bullshit, ideas that have been common place in the past only this time they're being used in a slightly new context.

          Everyone basically knows patents are pointless except for one thing. You need an arsenal of B.S. patents so that you can defend yourself against the competition when they attack you with some B.S. patents. The larger companies actually band together to cross-license patents while keeping out the smaller companies by demanding high fees from them.

        • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

          If it's that difficult then why do people keep getting "on a computer" patents or stuff like the infamous Apple "rounded corners"?

    • all types of memory in use now went through early development stages even more primitive than this, and yes it takes many years, sometimes many decades, to get to tech in actual use in devices

  • Send me a couple of lbs. of this wonderful memory. What a wonderful development.
  • I was babbling on about this yesterday when I was drinking.
  • Memory prices have been falling...gotta come up with something "new" to justify over charging again LOL.
    • by Jeremi ( 14640 )

      You're seriously complaining because a new, superior technology will (probably) cost more than existing, inferior technologies?

      You realize that is precisely how market-based innovation works, right? Nobody in their right mind would spend man-centuries of labor and millions of dollars to develop better technology and then pass the benefits on to you for free. Without that incentive, you'd still be feeding punch cards into your university's ENIAC.

  • So it's fast non-volatile memory. How does this compare to other fast non-volatile memories like phase-change RAM (3d Xpoint/Optane) or MRAM?

    • Where did you see the claim it was fast? Maybe I missed it, but all I saw was extremely stable and requiring relatively low energy. I actually was going to comment that they don’t seem to talk about the speed of access at all.

      • by mentil ( 1748130 )

        From the summary:

        combining the fast, low-energy storage of DRAM

        No idea if the article mentions speed.

      • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

        Scanning the actual paper (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-45370-1) there are definitely some questions. For example, they operate at 2.6V, which is rather high for high speed memory. The higher the voltage the longer transitions take, because we can only make the slew rate so high. Most DRAM operates at 1.8 or 1.6V.

        They also don't do any comparison to SRAM, which is a shame because it could be useful for ultra low power applications that currently make use of it. SRAM is more expensive and slowe

    • My guess is that if it ever escapes the lab, it will be priced into the stratosphere as they figure out how to recoup the $10 billion in investment it takes to mass produce it and then how hardware makers can extract maximum profit from it.

      Optane has been commercially available for a couple of years now, and yet its barely available as a product. There were at least initial production yield issues, but there were probably also MBA spreadsheets that said its speed/durability properties weren't enough to all

  • There are reasons to boot computers other than having the power shut off.
    Until the operating systems and other software are perfect, there's going to be a need to boot and reboot the machines.
  • by jschultz410 ( 583092 ) on Monday July 01, 2019 @07:46AM (#58854194)

    Until then, it's probably just noise.

  • I'm still waiting for the holy grail of holographic storage promised by the "breakthrough" at Stanford University over 20 years ago. They promised a terabyte of storage on a polymer the size of a sugar cube.
  • They're now envisioning ultra-low energy consumption computers which would never need to boot up

    Using what operating system? Nothing by Microsoft is reliable enough to never require a reboot.

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