Lab-Grown Meat Will Overtake Plant-Based Alternatives By 2040, Study Says (inverse.com) 288
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Inverse: Cultured meat could overtake plant-based alternatives like Beyond Meat and Impossible Burger as early as 2040, according to a new report. The research, from consultancy firm AT Kearney, finds that meat grown in a lab from cells will ultimately become more popular than vegetarian food that replicates the taste of animal products. By then, most of the world's burgers will be entirely meat-free. The report claims that, over the next 15 years, the market will shift toward lab-grown meat as alternatives struggle to maintain their momentum from early innovation. Consumer preferences will also drive a shift to the lab-based approach, as the researchers argue that the similarity to meat drives commercial potential and that, ultimately, lab-grown meat will still taste and feel much more like the real thing.
These products will drive down meat consumption even as the whole industry expands, but scientists are unsure whether this will be good for climate change. University of Oxford research found that, while methane-producing cows are lambasted as a major source of greenhouse gases, the methane they produce only stays in the atmosphere for around 12 years. Carbon dioxide, which a lab would in theory produce in spades to power the production of cultured meat, can last for thousands of years. However, this week's report pushes back on this notion, and finds that meat alternatives are far more resource-efficient than conventional meat. When taken as a grain-to-meat ratio, animals only operate at around 15 percent efficiency. Cultured meat only needs around 1.5 kg of crops like soy, pease and maize to produce 1 kg of beef, resulting in a 70 percent conversion rate. Plant-based products need around 1.3 kg per kilo of "meat," resulting in a 75 percent conversion rate.
These products will drive down meat consumption even as the whole industry expands, but scientists are unsure whether this will be good for climate change. University of Oxford research found that, while methane-producing cows are lambasted as a major source of greenhouse gases, the methane they produce only stays in the atmosphere for around 12 years. Carbon dioxide, which a lab would in theory produce in spades to power the production of cultured meat, can last for thousands of years. However, this week's report pushes back on this notion, and finds that meat alternatives are far more resource-efficient than conventional meat. When taken as a grain-to-meat ratio, animals only operate at around 15 percent efficiency. Cultured meat only needs around 1.5 kg of crops like soy, pease and maize to produce 1 kg of beef, resulting in a 70 percent conversion rate. Plant-based products need around 1.3 kg per kilo of "meat," resulting in a 75 percent conversion rate.
And then, the world! (Score:2)
Re: And then, the world! (Score:5, Informative)
Red meat is bad for you.
Apparently, so is white meat. From White Meat vs. Red Meat and Cholesterol Levels [nytimes.com]:
Many people choose white meat over red in the belief that white meat is less likely to lead to high cholesterol levels. But when it comes to cholesterol, there may be little difference between the two. ...
But in either high- or low-saturated-fat programs, red meat and white meat resulted in the same levels of LDL and total cholesterol. There was no benefit in sticking to white meat.
Or, most meat. From Eat Less Meat, Live Longer? [nytimes.com]": [emphasis mine]
Finnish scientists gathered dietary and health data on 2,641 men ages 42 to 60, following them for an average of 22 years. Over the course of the study, 1,225 of them died.
Compared with men who ate less than 2.6 ounces, or 76 grams, of meat a day (red meat, white meat and organ meat combined), those who ate more than a half pound (251 grams) daily were 23 percent more likely to die.
Higher intakes of protein were not significantly associated with an increased risk for premature death, except among those with serious disease. And consumption of the proteins in fish, eggs, dairy food and plants did not affect mortality.
But, the researchers found, the higher the ratio of meat protein to plant protein, the greater the risk for early death.
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No it won't (Score:4, Insightful)
I actually tasted one of those "Beyond Meat" burgers. I immediately shorted the stock.
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With real beef burgers, there is a difference in taste between a fast food (or worse convince store) burger and those middle class burger fast casual restaurants, to a burger made in a fancier restaurant.
I have no doubt that "Beyond Meat" don't taste like real Beef. However I expect it will take some time for the chefs to find ways to prepare it for it to taste much better.
Right now it is a replacement product, like how we have ground turkey, or ground chicken.
Re:No it won't (Score:5, Informative)
I've tried Impossible Burger, it tastes like real meat. Looks like real meat, same texture. Maybe only in burger form, i.e. it wouldn't work as a steak, but still damn impressive.
Lab grown meat could be great. At the moment you have to pay more for better parts of the animal, and animals that are tastier and better treated while alive. Lab grown meat could provide a new level of consistently high quality meat.
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I too have had an Impossible Burger.
And while I've never eaten diseased spleen, I imagine that if I were to soak a diseased spleen in vegetable oil overnight and then fry it up, that it would taste pretty much like an Impossible Burger.
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AmiMojo is vegetarian. They have preconceived ideas about how meat tastes without ever having a proper burger.
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Nah, I love steak. Pork and lamb too. And chicken. Not so keen on turkey.
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You can't possibly believe that these Impossible/Beyond meat taste like beef. Take a plate, and put a real beef and the alternative on it. Take it to the street and ask 100 people to try both and guess which one is the real beef. 100 out of 100 will pick the beef. 100% guaranteed.
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Maybe only in the context of a burger with all the other stuff in it, but yeah it really does taste like meat, same mouthfeel and everything.
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"but yeah it really does taste like meat, same mouthfeel and everything."
No it doesn't. Go perform my test. 100/100 will agree with me, not you. I guarantee it. You must be "trolling".
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Perhaps AmiMoJo does not believe in refrigeration, and ages his meat for a few weeks on the kitchen counter before consuming it.
That might explain how the two taste the same to him...
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Curious about your handle, apoc.famine.
Sounds like maybe you have some views that put a dog in this fight? Maybe a bit of bias going on, hmmmm?
(With that said, did get a chuckle out of "What's your beef with fake meat?". That was well played.)
Impossible Buger is just soy with different flavor (Score:2)
Lab-grown meat is animal protein. Impossible Burger is not lab-grown meat. It is soy protein with a different flavor. For health reasons, I don't eat soy.
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"People you know" are lying. Go try it yourself. You can get a package on Amazon, or in your local grocery. Try the actual product. There are plenty of veggie based burgers that don't pretend to be beef that taste awesome.
Re:No it won't (Score:5, Interesting)
(Yes I know you are tolling)
Isn't it the job of Chefs to prepare foods in a way that are more palatable.
Steaks and beef are often aged, for the fact that fresh beef is tough and tasteless.
Olives are in a brine otherwise they are nearly inedible.
Today's much of our luxury fancy foods use to be garbage waste for the lowly poor. While the poor people today are eating like kings of the medieval ages, to their own detriment.
Really good Chefs, find ways to make the good part of the food have more emphasis while cutting out the parts that people don't like as much.
I am not a Chef, and I expect neither are you, so If I were to go out and buy a package, I would use my limited home cooking skills and just make a hamburger. or use it in pasta.
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No, it really is that bad.
As Mr. Bits said, go buy a package. Fry up that burger. Take a nice big bite. Call Dominoes.
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Exactly. For all you people getting angry at me: GO TRY IT.
Re:No it won't (Score:4, Insightful)
Tried it. It tasted like a burger. A couple of us asked the waitress to be sure we got the right patty.
Not sure what you've all been eating, but it's not the Impossible Burger.
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If there are "super tasters" - that also implies that others may not be able to detect differences that some folks can.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/super-tasting-science-find-out-if-youre-a-supertaster/ [scientificamerican.com]
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(Yes I know you are tolling)
Today's much of our luxury fancy foods use to be garbage waste for the lowly poor. While the poor people today are eating like kings of the medieval ages, to their own detriment.
My favorite fact highlighting this is the story about prisoners in Maine in the 1800s that complained because they were served lobster too often.
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No, I am not "trolling". Have you TRIED THE BEYOND MEAT? I have. You haven't. How am I "trolling"? Every time someone online says something that some subset doesn't agree with, the snowflakes come out with the "trolling" claims. How am I trolling? Beyond Meat is a terrible product and cannot be "improved" by some magical chef. That isn't "trolling". That is my opinion from a person WHO HAS ACTUALLY TRIED THE PRODUCT.
Re:No it won't (Score:5, Insightful)
Not trolling? Someone up there a bit said they had tried it, you immediately jumped on them and said "No it wasn't alright"
So no matter what anyone says or does you're gonna be an asshole about it?
Shock horror, peoples tastes differ! Deal with it instead of ramming YOUR OPINION down peoples throats.
Re:No it won't (Score:5, Insightful)
I actually tasted one of those "Beyond Meat" burgers. I immediately shorted the stock.
You make their point. Beyond Meat isn't "meat". Lab grown meat is essentially "meat" in all respects other than that it didn't get carved from a (hopefully non-living) animal. Personally, as a meat lover, I have no desire whatsoever to try any of the traditional meat replacements, would be marginally willing to try a Beyond Meat product, and would be perfectly willing to try a lab-grown meat stand-in.
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No, lab grown meat has the same issue. They will never replace "real meat". But someone will take your money while trying to convince you.
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No, lab grown meat has the same issue. They will never replace "real meat". But someone will take your money while trying to convince you.
If it looks like beef, cooks like beef, and tastes like beef, it's beef. Doesn't matter if it comes from a vat in a lab or a cow on a farm. Is lab-grown meat there yet? Nope. But they are getting closer.
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"If it looks like beef, cooks like beef, and tastes like beef, it's beef. "
Correct. But it doesn't look like beef, cook lit it, or taste like it. But thanks for pointing out the obvious.
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"If it looks like beef, cooks like beef, and tastes like beef, it's beef. "
Correct. But it doesn't look like beef, cook lit it, or taste like it. But thanks for pointing out the obvious.
I can't vouch for the 2nd and 3rd criteria, but looking at the images on Memphis Meats' website -and assuming the photos are of the actual product- they have the "looks like meat" criteria down for lab grown meat.
Re:No it won't (Score:5, Informative)
Those images are just marketing material. Go buy it yourself. Everyone arguing with me has obviously never tried the product.
So you've tried lab-grown meat? You've been railing about Beyond Meat and I'm not arguing with you on that as I haven't tried it. But Beyond Meat and lab-grown meat are different products.
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How can you have tried the lab grown meat of the future? Are you John Titor?
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I actually tasted one of those "Beyond Meat" burgers. I immediately shorted the stock.
Beyond Meat is not cultured meat. It’s one of the plant-based products.
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Beyond meat is not lab grown meat.
Also, smart move to short the stock, it is nearly tripled since it's IPO.
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Amazingly, stocks that triple since the IPOs are the ones you want to consider shorting.
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That is what I hear. I did try the impossible burger and as a carnivore I have to admit I was impressed.
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No YOU are missing the point: it isn't "close enough" at all. Go taste one. It is disgusting. An actual black-bean veggie burger is 1000% better. Once the tech bubble pops they will be bankrupt.
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No YOU are missing the point: it isn't "close enough" at all. Go taste one. It is disgusting. An actual black-bean veggie burger is 1000% better. Once the tech bubble pops they will be bankrupt.
This is one of the main reasons I now refuse to try any product that tries to obfuscate it's origins, especially with snazzy marketing and hip names.
I've nothing against vegetarian foods, theres plenty of tasty vegetarian recipes that I enjoy but there's little point in trying to replace meat with something that is pretending to be meat. If you're going to have a meat free diet, just cut out the meat rather than try to replace it with a "meat replacement".
However I think we've reached peak Vegan where
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Exactly. Beyond Meat is another hipster thing that the Venture Capitalists latched on to. The product tastes absolutely terrible. If anyone doesn't believe me then go buy a package.
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Perhaps your error was in eating the package, not the product...
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Obviously you haven't tried it. The package does look better than the product though.
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Have to agree.
While it has a distinct flavor, it doesn't taste like meat, but nor does it really taste like anything else in my experience. And that flavor was not good, especially when combined with the almost oily texture.
It wasn't even an "uncanny valley" sort of offness - more like a full fledged mouthful of wrongness and yuck.
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Not sure what you were eating, but the Impossible burger is pretty indistinguishable from ground chuck. I was one of two people asking the server to double-check that they gave us the right patty the last time I had one. Better than a fast food burger, for sure. Not quite as good as a nice restaurant black angus burger, but plenty good enough to be a daily eater.
Re:No it won't (Score:5, Funny)
Are YOU sure what YOU were eating?
https://thetakeout.com/nyc-burger-king-beef-burgers-impossible-whoppers-1835324674 [thetakeout.com]
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Beyond meat has nothing to do with the impossible burger and if you got your burger at burger king you might have actually gotten a beef patty, it is confirmed they sub beef patties at one location.
It is a stretch to say you can't tell the difference but as a dedicated carnivore I still tried the impossible out of curiosity. I will say this it is good enough to pass as one of those frozen pre-formed patties at a church picnic or if you'd tried telling me it was some red meat I hadn't tried yet I might belie
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People are mixing up beyond meat and the impossible burger here. The two are unrelated.
All accounts I've heard of beyond meat are that it rages from tasteless to terrible. The impossible burger I've had side-by-side with a medium cooked beef patty. You could have claimed it was another red meat I hadn't tried yet and passed it or passed it as one of those crappy frozen pre-formed patties. It stood well enough vs the "lean" ground beef the only burger place I could find one at sold.
The impossible burger isn'
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Indeed. Like a future without hope, without taste, without flavor. Just grey people, grey art, grey food, grey lives.
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Right. I am "trolling" because I said something you guys don't like. You guys need to stop with the "trolling". Suck it up, not everyone agrees with you.
Re:No it won't (Score:5, Insightful)
Exactly, this and the GP post.
I have nothing against vegetarian or vegan food, as you've said there is plenty of it that's really tasty and/or nutritious.
However whenever I am given "fake meat" I am disappointed, even when the taste of the things itself is not that bad. Why? Well because I expect it to taste like meat, but it doesn't. I see a sausage, and I have some expectations of what a sausage should be. The "veggie sausage" never tastes like a real one. I feel fooled.
On the other hand, if I see a bean burger, I expect the taste of beans, and am not disappointed. I don't feel fooled. It could taste great, so-so, or awful, depending on the burger (just like with a meat burger in any case), but it tastes like beans.
I don't see "fake veggie meat" being a major thing long-term, it's just something to help people who want to became vegetarian or vegan transition away from meat. Like nicotine patches for those who want to quit smoking. So these products can potentially make a lot of money in the short to medium term, if a lot of people decide to switch to being veg(eteri)an. However, once that shift occurs, it will only be a niche market (there will always be some people transitioning their diet habits). If you're raising your kids to not eat meat, I don't see why you would feed them fake meat instead of real vegetables and such.
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Exactly. Black bean burgers (can be) delicious. I eat those often as I avoid red meat. But Beyond Meat is absolutely terrible.
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Meat is not what the cell-culture meat is competing with. What it is competing with is plant-based meat surrogates.
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Lab-grown meat is competing with both. Plant-based meat will always be a niche product.
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Who's the target audience for plant-based meat? People who want to eat meat but don't want animals killed for it. Please find me one other reason to buy veggie-meat instead of meat.
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Um, no. I eat veggie burgers because I don't eat red meat for health/digestive reasons. Not sure what your point is. Lab-grown meat would certainly be competing against traditional meat.
Taste the bacon, no longer upset over slaughter (Score:5, Interesting)
Eating meat usually makes me think of the butchering process, then I lose my appetite. On a side note, I think all school children should go on a field trip to a meat processing / butchering facility to learn what happens before their steak arrives at the store.
Those exposed to the butchering process at a young age are more accepting of it. They have not yet been indoctrinated and conditioned by pop culture. We are evolved to be hunters and butchers of meat, it is not unnatural for us.
Until very recent decades when Mom brought home chicken from the supermarket it looked like a chicken and its inner organs had to be removed. Kids saw this all the time growing up, it did not traumatize them. It was normal, natural. Don't confuse relatively recent social conditioning with natural human tendencies.
As far as exposure later in life. I've seen a "city girl" upset by a farm slaughtered pig, she took a peek at the process. After tasting that farm grown bacon she was quickly over it and OK with the process, well as long as someone else does it for her.
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Healthier for you and the planet are debatable (and debated) as for the animals, I don't see how having a short carefree life never knowing hunger on a farm is better than a hard hungry lives or never having life at all. Never being born at all is the fate of most cows if we stop eating beef and likely extinction.
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If you find it hard to believe, then go buy a package. They sell it at any grocery. Go cook it and taste it. It is absolutely disgusting.
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They sell it at any grocery.
Not where I live.
It can only improve. If we'd written off everything that wasn't perfect in version 1.0 then we'd still be living in caves.
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Oh yeah, you are one of those "everything improves" people because your first computer had 64K. Common malady. Guess what: sometimes things don't improve. Beyond Meat is terrible and will be bankrupt in 5 years. And you get can get Beyond Meat shipped to you anywhere in the US if it isn't available locally (unlikely).
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I did (though in the UK, not sure if that makes a difference) and I thought it was actually alright.
Don't get me wrong, it wasn't up there with meat like a high quality Aberdeen Angus fillet steak fresh from a local farm shop, but compared to your average burgers, certainly compared to your average supermarket burgers, it was way above average, a far superior substitute to 99% of the shitty burgers that are sold in supermarkets. Definitely way better than fast food shite by a long shot also.
That's not to sa
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You can compare it with any properly cooked (rare) beef burger. Even cheap meat from Walmart tastes better.
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Nah it won't. Cultured meat has the same issue. If you want meat, buy meat. The rest of it is just hype from people wanting to get rich off of being "innovative".
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You shouldn't make the trolling too obvious...
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Right. I am "trolling" because I said that meat-alternatives don't taste like meat. I'll tell you what: go do a test where you ask people to blind taste alternative meat vs real meat and let me know how it comes out. They must be "trolling" too.
No different than reconstituted nuggets in schools (Score:3)
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Money is the only spice equal in ability to hunger in its ability make something taste good.
Who is Study? (Score:2)
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"Study" is the sister of "Scientists". They sure are busy lately making proclamations.
Will or Could? (Score:5, Insightful)
Headline
"Lab-Grown Meat Will Overtake Plant-Based Alternatives By 2040, Study Says"
First line of story
"Cultured meat could overtake plant-based alternatives like Beyond Meat and Impossible Burger as early as 2040"
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To be fair the research they are basing TFA on does say "will": https://www.atkearney.com/reta... [atkearney.com]
So it's more like "could, if you believe this report that says it will". For once TFA is actually less definitive than the report it is based on.
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Headline: Get your attention, make you angry, scared excited. Makes you want to read the article.
Story: The factual part of the story.
I think Schools should put more focus on critical thinking skills, such as being able to spot marketing tricks, Determine Journalism vs Editorial.
Science News I feel is the worse offender of bad Journalism with a heavy Editorial. For a lot of science stories, there is a lot of push on the Editorial to try to find the practical usefulness of such research. Also my biggest g
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extinction event incoming (Score:2)
So, we can look forward to the extinction of most domestic animal species?
Because sure as shooting, no farmer is going to keep feeding cows/pigs/chickens that are taking up space that could be used to grow something edible and salable....
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That will never happen. Guaranteed.
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So, we can look forward to the extinction of most domestic animal species?
Because sure as shooting, no farmer is going to keep feeding cows/pigs/chickens that are taking up space that could be used to grow something edible and salable....
They wouldn't go extinct. In fact, if lab grown meat becomes prevalent, I could see the price per lb of actual, raised meat going up quite a bit as supply is greatly reduced, becoming a high end product. Comparing farm-raised animals to lab grown meat would be like comparing a wagyu beef filet to a Wal-mart sirloin.
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Predictions.. (Score:5, Insightful)
Noooooooo! (Score:2)
Dark times are ahead.
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Did you have a burger lately?
I have no idea what stuff they put in there, but calling that shit "meat" is already a stretch as it is...
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Rubber chicken (Score:2)
Study says (Score:2)
Are we redefining meat here? (Score:2)
I for one look forward to seeing massive scale-up of lab grown meat for burgers and such applications. I love a tasty burger and would love to see us reach a way to produce it with lower ecological i
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Just imagine the beautiful future. We'll have a long production line. At one end you have the live cells which you feed with nutrients. As the cells grow and divide they stretch down a trough where the matured cells are cured. Then finally at the end it is sliced thick and laid on a griddle to cook. A never ending stream of perfect bacon flowing forth! We might even see the end of meat grading since it could all be custom grown to be like the perfect Wagyu. I imagine there would still be different brands an
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Not sure how it would impact their philosophical reasons. Generally it's based on not harming another living creature, and lab-grown probably doesn't meet the definition of living.
Spoiled kids (Score:2)
I imagine a future where kids will irk the natural steaks because they "all have different sizes and are a bit tasteless" instead of the identical steaks with build in salt and flavoring they're used to.
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It will most likely turn into a premium product, like vegan stuff is nowadays and as such, the cruelty and hormones etc are probably getting lowered by quite a bit.
Not sure but ... (Score:2)
"The research, from consultancy firm AT Kearney, finds that meat grown in a lab from cells will ultimately become more popular than vegetarian food that replicates the taste of animal products."
At least I want to smoke what they smoked before doing this prediction.
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They still need the fats to make the meat taste good.
Try making a burger with nearly fat free steak tartar, no cheese or mayo, and be repared not for the greatest burger you ever had, but the worst.
Grass fed ignored again (Score:2)
If it works at industrial scale then yeah (Score:2)
After all, I don't see a lot of folks lining up to eat eyeball steaks outside of the occasional joke festival or the really, really poor.
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The bones and marrow are important for some recipes. Even if we just grow them for those specific uses though that would be a lot less waste than what we currently get.
Won't reduce carbon footprint as much as you think (Score:4, Interesting)
If left to market forces, overproduction would cause the price to drop. So much that farms would go out of business, until there are only enough farms remaining to just barely feed the population. That's where the government subsidies come in. Rather than selling crops on the open market, the government buys all of them at a guaranteed, fixed price. This price is deliberately set high to encourage the overproduction of food. So even if there's a crop failure, we'll still have enough of a cushion so there's plenty of food to go around. The government then sells the food for consumption (at a lower price than they bought it - hence the subsidies).
The subsidies take care of the economic imbalance. But we're still left with a quantity imbalance - more food is produced than is consumed. We've come up with a variety of uses for this excess food. A lot of it is given away as foreign aid. Some is converted into high fructose corn syrup to reduce our dependence on imported cane sugar. Some of it is made into corn ethanol. Since the cost to grow the crop was already paid, it's a sunk cost [wikipedia.org]. So even though ethanol is more expensive than the gasoline it's supposed to replace, it's still worth doing because the corn would otherwise go to waste. (The same reasoning does not work for corn grown specifically to convert into ethanol - that's an economic boondoggle.)
And some of the excess crops are sold as cattle feed, since Americans love beef. So when you tally up the carbon footprint of beef, much of the CO2 attributed to it (due to growing the feed) won't actually be eliminated by eliminating meat consumption. Even if meat consumption ends, those crops will still be grown since they represent our food supply's safety margin. They will just be re-purposed into other uses, resulting in little to no net CO2 reduction.
Raaaar! (Score:2)
There's a vegetarian faction that says this is still bad because eating meat in and of itself contributes not just to meanness to animals but to violence.
MOLON LABE (Score:2)
You can have my meat when you wrest it from my cold dead hands.
that is, in 10 years. No it wont (Score:2)
That is universal answer to any extrapolation to the distant future. 10 years IS distant future.
Tastes Like Despair.... (Score:2)
n/t
Not in My Kitchen (Score:2)
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Unlikely. If you replace all the low quality meat that's put into cheap hamburgers with vat sludge, steaks become more expensive. You think any of them would want to pay more for their steak?
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Possibly however that a small "elite" pay good money for the privilege of eating realâ(TM) meat isn't a problem.
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Actual text of story posted here. [eveonline.com]